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everything thecampaign is d trump will in the short turn suppress trump because he's not trying. she wants to spend $32 million in key states, she's going to look much better in those key states, it has no meaning. she's got to find a way to make him more utterly acceptable -- she can do that with elites. i'm not sure she can do it with regular people. trump's job is quit screwing up and get it down to a single concept, enough. >> good morning, it's tuesday july 5th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set former communications director for george w. bush nicolle wallace. managing editor of bloomberg
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politics. >> iding her for new viewers. >> she needs no id. >> host of with all do respect mark halperin. columnist for "washington post" david ignatius. on capitol hill, msnbc political analyst robert costa. in washington pulitzer prize winner and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart. joe has the morning off. jonathan, i'm going to get to your interview with loretta lynch, which was really telling given what happened over the weekend. a lot of international news out of baghdad especially and around the world. david ignatius will join us for that. but first today hillary clinton will appear with president obama on the campaign trail. but that comes after a holiday weekend in which she was questioned by the fbi about her private e-mail server. it's the culmination of 16 months of public scrutiny from clinton's decision while she was secretary of state to
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exclusively use a private e-mail server for her government and personal e-mails rather than state department's e-mail system first revealed in march 2015. there have been questions every since. clinton left her home in washington for fbi headquarters saturday morning for what aides describe as a voluntary 3.5 hour interview. according to fbi took part in a civil and business like meeting by someone familiar with the session. clinton said she was pleased to have the opportunity to assist the department of justice in bringing this review to a conclusion. that evening, clinton told nbc's chuck todd that she has no knowledge of when the investigation will be over saying she was given no time line. she defended her husband's controversial private visit with attorney general loretta lynch. >> it was a short, chance
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meeting that occurred. they did not discuss the justice review. i know nonetheless some viewed it in a different light. both the attorney general and my husband said they would not do it again. hindsight is 2020. both the attorney general and my husband said they wouldn't do it again, even though from all accounts i have heard and seen an exchange of pleasantries. >> okay. first of all, i believe that interview was on the phone obviously and only five minutes was allowed, which i think at this point that is like everything here, seems very concocted to protect her. boy would i like her to be doing well now. mark halperin, what do you see in this? are they trying to move this along?
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get this over with, even coordinate it and control it. everything, bill clinton's meeting with loretta lynch. private, all of a sudden meeting with fbi on fourth of july weekend, 3.5 hours. did they ask for it? are they trying to move it along? how are we supposed to assume everything is aboveboard here. >> we don't know some basic things we often know about investigations at this stage. for one thing, is she subject to recall? a lot of times with high-profile witnesses like this, david kendall, hillary clinton's lawyer may have negotiated to say you get one crack at her, one time to sit with her. take as long as you want but that's it. we don't know whether she's coming back or not. we also don't know if prosecutors are looking for a crime here or run influence and say we investigated and there's no crime at all. prosecutors generally when they investigate a case want an indictment. we don't know what their
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mind-set is towards this. everyone i talk to in clinton world seems very relaxed about where things stand. >> nicole. >> you look at the most interesting poll numbers to date, inside our poll, the nbc "wall street journal" poll had hillary ahead six points. on the question of truth worthiness, central axis around which donald trump will prosecute his case against hillary clinton she has a 20 point deficit to donald trump. his entire brand is about telling it like it is. even when he steps in it, he still has an advantage over her because he's viewed as the truth teller. the case she's prosecuting against him is about competence and more fundamental fitness to serve. but these will now be, i think, these two huge blenudgeons one uses against the other donald trump serves up exhibit c, d, e
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in this installment over the weekend. >> i think there are polls we're showing increases block that show how many people are alarmed by these candidates. i'll pull those up for you. that feeds spoke this. donald trump hammered clinton on twitter. quote, it was just announced by sources that no charges will be brought against crooked hillary clinton. like i said, the system is totally rigged. there are other tweets. >> but that's his whole argument. that's his whole case. that was the case in the primary. that was where he had bernie sanders's back. that's where he served as an echo to the kinds of things bernie sanders was saying about him and these developments just further along a narrative he's trying sometimes with more success than others to sell about her. >> there's no report i should. if someone is not indicted, normally that would be it. maybe a brief announcement. but donald trump and people who are suspicious i think are going to demand more of an explanation, a norm in the criminal case investigation, if she's not indicted, what did they look at.
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>> how do you feel about the election usa suffolk poll, 61%, david ignatius, are alarmed by this election. i just want to know when you first heard the news breaking about the meeting with the fbi, what's your gut on this e-mail story? you and i both know it's a story. i think the bigger question all along is do people care? your gut as a journalist. >> my gut is secretary clinton is probably winning the legal battle but is definitely losing the trust battle. i'm told by defense lawyers i talked to last night that this kind of meeting late in an investigation, which appears to have been voluntary, she wasn't subpoenaed, she wasn't compelled to come, defense lawyers only allow their clients to go to such meetings if they are fairly sure that an indictment is not coming. that's not 100% but that's how people read it and certainly consistent with what i've been hearing. on the trust side of this, on
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how it looks, it seems to get worse and worse. the meeting between bill clinton, the former president, and attorney general lynch couldn't have looked worse. there's no way you're going to be able to erase that, no matter what formal finding is issued. i think she's doing to have to deal with that. the clintons think they are different. the usual rules don't apply to them. that's out there and harder to be rid of this. no matter, what the formal finding. >> bob costa, you saw the trump campaign learning a little bit along the way by at least not getting in the way of bad news for hillary clinton. but they had their own set of problems over the weekend. your gut on both stories. >> what you're saying now from the trump campaign is an attempt to try to professionalize the campaign, a focus on hillary clinton, setting the table for the argument they will make if an indictment does not unfold
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from the justice department. also the trump campaign focused on vice presidential surge. you had trump at his golf club meeting with senator ernst of iowa, looking beyond newt gingrich, chris christie of new jersey to more establishment favorites as he tries to make the pick for number two. >> "new york times" reported attorney general loretta lynch would accept whatever recommendation career prosecutors and fbi made about charges against e-mail clinton about her use of the private e-mail server as secretary of state. jonathan lynch you interviewed hillary clinton and asked about her role and interview and the meeting with president clinton in phoenix. >> you have a reputation of having the highest integrity, utmost solid judgment. so when people heard what went
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down in phoenix, a lot of people were like, friends, supporters, backers, what on earth was she thinking talking to bill clinton. so what on earth were you thinking? what happened? >> well, i think that's the question of the day, isn't it? >> yes. >> i think that's a perfectly reasonable question. i think the question that is called by what happened in phoenix because people have also wondered and raised questions about my role in the ultimate resolution of matters involving the investigation into the state department e-mails. to the extent that people have questions about that, about my role in that, certainly my meeting with him raises questions and concerns, so believe me, i completely get that question. as i've always indicated, the matter is being handled by career investigators and department of justice. they have had it since the beginning. >> which predates your tenure as
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attorney general. >> predates my tenure as attorney general. same team. they are acting independently. they follow the law. they follow the facts. that team will make findings. it will come up with a chronology of what happened, the factual scenario. they will make recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. the recommendations will be reviewed by career supervisors in the department of justice and fbi and fbi director. and then, as is the common process, they present it to me and i fully expect to accept their recommendations. >> one thing people were saying this morning when the news broke was that you were, quote, recusing yourself from having any kind of role in the final determination. that is the case in is that what you're saying? >> a recusal would mean i wouldn't be briefed on what the findings were, the actions going forward would be. while i don't have a role in those findings, in coming up with those findings or making those recommendations as to how
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to go forward, i'll be briefed on it and i will be accepting their recommendations. >> jonathan, nice job with that. >> thank you. >> mark halperin and jonathan in a second. i'm just wondering, if someone is coming onto your plane to meet with you privately and that person is married to the person that is the focus of an investigation that you clearly have say over, don't you just say, sorry, i can't do it. sorry, uh-uh, it cannot happen. we'll have this meeting at a later date. i look forward to talking about our grandchildren at a later date. >> right. i think as mark has said many times and a lot of people said many times on this show sin the story broke, we're talking about bill clinton here. he's the former president. >> exactly. >> he's the former president of the united states. he's an overwhelming personal, an overwhelming force, that's one part of it. >> that would be the reason you say, no, i can't have the meeting. >> one second. "the new york times" had a story talking about this is what he
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does, these tarmac meetings, that's one. two, from reporting that was in the observer and from the reporting that i've been able to do, her staff was off the plane. there was no one there except her detail to get in the way of the president. and three, the conversation was social. from what i understand, each time she tried to end the conversation, the president started up about something else. as i write in the piece that's out today, and i'm sorry i didn't get it to you before we went on air, the more i listen to loretta lynch talk about what they talked about in the plane, when she answered questions about it in phoenix, when she answered questions about it in los angeles, when i talked to her about it on stage, which you showed, and i had another ten-minute interview on the record with her after that aspend interview, it's clear that bill clinton -- president clinton did all the talking, all the talking about his grandkids,
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golf, travel, about everything. so the idea that, you know, loretta lynch wanted to have this conversation with president clinton i think is inaccurate to say. >> no, i'm not saying she wanted to have the conversation, i'm saying she should not have had the conversation. even though he talks and talks and talks about kids, that's exactly what can appear to color an investigation. that's why you keep people separate, juries. come on, we don't need to go to law school to understand how bad this was. >> no, i understand that, mika. but also the attorney general understands that, which is why i also think she's been very transparent about what happened and what's going to happen. she didn't have to talk in phoenix, she didn't have to talk in l.a. she certainly was well within her rights to cancel this interview that had been on the books for weeks. she sat there and took the
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questions. one thing i don't know if people know, she was supposed to give a 10-minute speech -- if none of this happened she was going to give a ten-minute speech on criminal justice reform and then sit down with me and we would have a conversation on what she just talked about. instead that morning her staff came to me and said, there's a change of plans. she's no longer speaking. when you're introduced, just go to the chairs and have at it. no preconditions, nothing. >> if none of this happened, she would have made the speech. what's this? what are you talking about? >> mika, what i'm saying, the original plan, she was going to speak on criminal justice reform. instead of doing that she junked the speech and allowed -- >> what? >> she wanted to talk about this. she wanted to talk about this. as we saw in the clip you just showed, she had two things she wanted to do. ultimately i've watched the interview twice, i listened to my interview with her afterwards
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twice. i read the transcript. it's clear she's trying to do two things. one, she's trying to explain how this process works because she knows that this was and remains a disaster of epic proportions when it comes to the independence and integrity of the justice department. she wants everyone to understand how this process is working. two, in the clip you showed, she talks a great deal about career prosecutors and career investigators, she's trying to make it clear to everyone, if they are welling to hear it, that she's not making the decision, political people are not making the decision, it's career prosecutors and investigators who have been there before she got there and will be there after so that that way she's trying to make it clear there isn't going to be any political influence. >> so the -- mark halperin i kept asking what does this mean. he said none of this happened
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she would have regular speech. this, that is the public outcry, the media coverage or the meeting itself? had nobody talked about it, had nobody found out about it, would she have changed her plans in aspend? probably not. >> both said they wouldn't do it again, like hillary clinton said she wouldn't do her server again. there was an outcry so they wouldn't do it again. there's two questions i'm till confused by. number one, i made a decision long ago, here is how i'm going to handle this case. it's exactly how she handles every other case. deference to fbi but reserving the right to overrule it. she's making a show of suggesting this is some thoughtful, personal way to treat a politically sensitive case. it's the way she treats every case. two, as the wall street editorial page said she's trying to have it both ways. if they don't recommend an indictment, i just accepted it, didn't interfere at all.
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if they choose to indict, she chooses the right to overrule. that's the ambiguitambiguity. >> the sin was committed on the tarmac. hillary clinton with diane sawyer talked about how she hadn't driven a car since the '90s. i would put this in my plane is parked next to your plane in the tarmac. you might coincidentally park next to the attorney general of the united states of america. i would put this debacle in the same category of an utterance about not driving since the '90s. >> ever worked on in her life would she allow this situation to happen, she has to look at that. >> also the question of, sees highlights today, president
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obama appears with hillary clinton, which is why is it appropriate for her to oversee the case where her decision, because she's still in charge of the case, could determine who the next president of the united states is. someone of her own party. >> hillary clinton flying on "air force one" is another story we're going to get to of many this morning. we have so much to do. we'll talk about this more later but we have to get to the international news over the weekend. a series of suicide bombings in saudi arabia has capped off a string of deadly terror attacks overseas. three differ cities across saudi arabia were robbed by suicide bombs yesterday. the attacks began in jeddah after a bomb stopped by security personnel at the u.s. consulate. detonated an explosive belt killing himself and injuries two others according to saudi ministry. hours later struck near a mosque. shortly after that a bombing took place medina, headquarters
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of mosque, a site considered the second holiest in islam. four security officers were killed as far as suicide boembe. in iraq, one of the deadliest bombings to hit baghdad and the worst ever there at the hands of isis. at least 200 people were killed and 176 wounded. the numbers rose yesterday as bodies were recovered from rubble. authorities say a refrigerator truck filled with explosives blew up midnight as people were celebrating ramadan. isis has claimed responsibility there. the group claiming responsibility for the attack in bangladesh on friday, gunman stormed a restaurant in the country's capital city. the crisis that unfolded left 28 dead including six attackers and 20 hostages. at least one of those hostages was a u.s. citizen. three of those killed were college students in the united states. joining us now from istanbul, turkey, nbc foreign
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correspondent richard engel. richard, all of this coming as ramadan comes to a close. explain the connection. >> reporter: it has the ramadan of our discontent. isis called for attacks during ramadan and we've seen about a dozen different terrorist attacks all across the world from yemen to istanbul to these latest attacks in saudi arabia and obviously that enormous truck bomb in the center of baghdad. each attack having its own specific target. you see the tourists being targeted in bangladesh, shias being targeted in baghdad. but i think what's perhaps the most significant of these recent attacks is the one in medina. that is a very symbolic attack right near the prophet mosque, right near where the prophet mohammed is buried with early caliphs. it's symbol k attack for isis to
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carry out. during ramadan. a way for isis to say to its followers we're projecting power all along the world and we're going right to the heart of islam with mechanic ark medina being the two holiest cities in islam currently in what is saudi territory. i think we're going to see more of these kind of attacks as ramadan comes to a close. still one more day of ramadan in many countries in turkey. it's over but ramadan is not a fixed date. it depends on visual observations of the lunar cycle. one more day for many muslim countries until ramadan is over. >> all right. nbc's richard engel. thank you very much. david ignatius to you now. there was isis the jv team and now this isis. a different version. what exactly is being done to try and get kind of a global reach around what isis is today?
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>> i think, mika, what we're looking at, if you'll forgive a medical analogy, as the u.s. and its allies seek to remove the tumor of isis from its original base in iraq and syria, and that's having some success, we're seeing this meta static spread of isis andets operatives. they are using new techniques. originally they would appeal for people to act as lone wolves in their own countries. now the call is it seems to act as wolf packs is the term people are using now, small groups of two and three that are very deadly that were involved in the airport attacks in brussels, in istanbul. the attack in baghdad is ghastly. it really is part of what that been an ongoing attempt by this organization going back toist earliest days to start a sectarian war between shiites and sunnis.
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they have killed 200 people, imagine that, in the capital of iraq. then finally on monday striking at saudi arabia. the custodian of the two holy mosques is what saudi arabia calls itself. i had a message from a friend last night, the pictures we're seeing of smoke coming out of the mosque where the prophet mohammed is buried are devastating from every muslim. there is a sign this group as hard pressed as it is in its home base is capable of these very dramatic acts. i don't have a sense security services around the world are anywhere near ready to deal with them and stop them. >> david, thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," one of the top officials at the state department deputy secretary tony blinken. if you've heard this before, outrage over something donald trump tweeted and interpreted as being bigoted. we'll dig into the latest
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donald trump's campaign spent a long weekend in slow, boiling controversies. on saturday morning trump's twitter account displayed this image, a tweet calling hillary clinton the most corrupt candidate ever with the words inside a six-pointed star. many pointed out it was a star of david shape placed on a bed of $100 bills. the star of david is an image that represents the jewish faith. as criticism of the use of the imagery grew, trump replaced the image with a circle, though the points of the star were visible underneath. trump remained silent on the matter. on sunday, mic.com reported it and earlier on a message board used by white supremacists. the same graphic used earlier that reported racist imagery. trump still had no comment. his former campaign manager said
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controversy was political correctness run amok. >> look, a tweet is a simple tweet. the bottom line is you can read into things that aren't there. a star sheriffs department across the country use to represent law enforcement. to read into something that isn't there is you know, again, mainstream media trying to attack donald trump for something that isn't there. again, this is political correctness run amok. if it was a star with hillary clinton that didn't have cash behind it, no one would be questioning this. >> the anti-defamation league had a different view saying in a statement, "we are outraged to see that his campaign is sourcing material like this from offensive image and online resources. it is long overdue for mr. trump to reject the anti-sem items and racists with the same clarity and energy he's brought to the campaign trail when calling out other candidates. after 48 hours of silence on the matter trump tweeted yesterday,
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"dishonest media is trying their absolute best to depict a star in a tweet as the star of david rather than a sheriff's star or plain star." the clinton campaign called out trump for the use of a blatantly anti-semitic image from racist websites and said it was part of a pattern. trump argued back that it was, quote, a basic star often used by sheriffs who deal with criminal and criminal behavior, part of his allegation clint is corrupt. meanwhile political director and core aides sought to explain the origin. quote, graphic not created by the campaign nor was it source freddie an anti-semitic site, it was lifted from anti-twitter hillary user where images appear. the sheriff's badge available under microsoft shapes fits with the theme of crypt hillary and
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that is why i selected it. as the social media director for the campaign, i would never offend anyone and therefore chose to remove the image. taking a look at microsoft shapes, an option for the sheriff's badge is not present, rather it is called the six-point star. mark halperin, please. >> why does the trump campaign, rather than explaining. >> first thing after it occurred, how did this happen. most presidential campaigns have 15 to 20 people reviewing twitter messages if not more people. this is indicative of how the trump campaign operates. they for a long time retweeted messages from supporters without vetting messages.
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he's had problems in the past with white supremacy, anti-semitism giving them support on twitter and trump integrates them into his own twitter feed. there's another sphere of the web called the alternative right, quote, alt right. this is a fear of the web that's the hard right that includes some anti-semmites, white supremacists. some last wills and testaments of the alt right, increasing presence in politics, has migrated toward trump. that doesn't mean trump endorses them. more and more appear at his rallies and social media. those appearing on the alternative website, that's the same image tweeted by trump that included the six-sided star, the star of david. the trump campaign doesn't have this vetting operation, so it's not that surprising that it
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somehow appears on trump's feed. >> nicole, i'll just pass it to you and you can jump in. the problem here is that it is part of a serious pattern that is on the record. if by any cnce this was some wild mistake, why not just apologize profusely, immediately and not defiance. >> why not apologize is a tactic to get back to the story we led off with. i understand the anti-apology mind-set of the candidate himself but at this point you've got to be convinced to apologize at a strategic level even if you don't mean it. that's where we are with the trump candidacy. i don't think he means to apologize. >> fbi interrogated for three hours, i get his -- >> he should have said i drew it myself, it was rude and offensive, i'm sorry, back to the fbi case. >> he didn't have three days to waste. that's what i don't get. nicole is right, he doesn't like
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to apologize. they feel indignant about it. why on the weekend when your opponent is being interviewed by the fbi would you let this happen. >> and go on for three days when you can apologize. listen, i worked for president and vice president cheney. vice president cheney hated to acknowledge mistakes and admit things had gone wrong. you could bring him along as a strategy for recapturing people's attention. there's a genuine reason to apologize and strategic reason to apologize. that's the political reality of it, as bad as that sounds. my question for david is, how do you look at someone like trump who takes three days to explain away what may have been an honest mistake, but no one knows now, how do you explain this is a man that has an advantage over hillary clinton on the question of who best to take the fight to the terrorists? >> i think that's precisely the issue she's going to raise again and again.
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does this man have the judgment, temperament to be the country's leader in a time of real stress overseas. that's their approach. from their standpoint, trump is the gift that keeps on giving. every time they have a problem, he does something stupid. rather than put it aside with a quick apology, things smart politicians do, he let's it fester. i think it all does play to the core campaign theme of the clinton campaign, which is this is about temperament, reliability, and our opponent donald trump doesn't have it. >> he's ahead of her on toughness. i think trying to understand his strategic decisions, voters find him to be tougher than her on the question of protecting the country against terrorism. voters find him to be, i think, at a 20-point advantage on the question of trustworthiness. i understand why it would be difficult to walk in and convince him to apologize. some voters, the voters in our
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poll, appreciate his toughness. >> think about this. this is how we'll close the block. we have baghdad, 200 dead, the number growing, the worst in years. >> 176 injured. >> we have bangladesh, we have saudi arabia, and we have the candidates, one, being interviewed by the fbi about a private e-mail server that the truth just becomes more and more elusive as every day goes by. another candidate tweeting the star of david. >> exactly. >> and you wonder why 61% of americans are alarmed by this election, alarmed. i am. i am. i don't even -- i don't know what to think. i really don't. >> 39% aren't alarmed. >> who are they? >> who are those people. >> four in ten. >> the must-read opinion pages are ahead including another provocative one from maureen dowd. "morning joe" is coming right back. owen! hey kevin. hey, fancy seeing you here. uh, i live right over there actually. you've been to my place. no, i wasn't...oh look, you dropped something.
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up next just days after helping orchestrate the exit from eu, a top leader steps down. dr. jeffrey sacks joins the conversation to talk about the revolt against globalation and maureen explains connections to donald trump. men prepared things they are not prepared to finish.
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i've never been and never wanted to be a career politician. my aim in being in politics was to get europe out of the european union. that is what we voted on. that is why i feel i've done my bit. i couldn't possibly achieve more than we managed to get in that referendum. >> that was nigel farrage. he announced resignation from his party. he's the latest high-profile politician to step back in the wake of the brexit vote. david cameron announced he's resigning as prime minister after the results while former london mayor boris johnson says he won't run for the job. meanwhile the labor party continues to put pressure on their leader jeremy korbin to resign. joining us now economist dr.
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jeffrey sacks and chris jansing who works 24 hours a day and seven days a week. >> and always looks good. >> first of all, doctor, you say brexit is a symptom of globalization's deeper ills. explain. the politics of brexit is pretty much similar to the politics of donald trump here. it's similar to the politics in france and all over europe. >> sweden. >> have you parties in government or knocking on the door of government saying top global asian. we don't think immigration is a good deal for us. this is pretty much across the board united states and europe. our societies are half and half. brexit was a half and half vote. austria was a half and half vote. we've got nearly a half and half election right now. >> thi is where maureen dowd comes in. nicole loved this.
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i'll let you take it after this. >> i did. >> in paris with boris, donald and lemon starts. lies with ease and cavorst in farce. so does donald trump preferring grand curiosity and pr. stupts to policy details johnson has stumbled on his hubris, lack of preparation and disorganization. so has trump. after spinning up his storm, donald failed to seize the moment, he failed to comment republican support and raise his game to a mature knowledgeable level. you can write off the success of johnson and trump with older white voters to self-defeating nostalgia. there are painful identity crisis with young pitted against old and long simmering resentments against leaders who haven't recognized the pain of globalization or the yearning
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for national exceptionalism. nicole. >> it gets to the conversation you and joe have been leading every day for nine months about why doesn't truch get better. it gets to your point of the members place moss people go is to blame the vote ers, whether people hanging onto trump and guns. whether economy left out of our politics. i wonder whether you see a team when sort of the elites and people who are losing elections like brexit take their own responsibility, their own piece of accountability for the movement. >> i thought that quotation from maureen is odd. the first half is mocking those that support them and second half acknowledging there are real issues. there are real issues there. if you mock, you can he said up
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at 48 to 52. if one tries to understand we have more inequality, a lot of people left behind. what's really also true we have a conundrum. rich countries, united states and europe, people from all over the world want to flood in and have flooded in. the composition of our population changed enormously. u.s. went from 5% foreign born in 1970 to about 15% foreign born today roughly. same thing in the uk. that's a lot of social change. people say what's happening. a lot of people say they don't like that. that's about half of these countries, of all of our countries. >> chris jansing turning the country to isis. >> if the fear brought on by what is happening in europe with all the people coming in obviously ties into terrorism, ties into isis and you just wrote an article why isis persists, what's your conclusion? >> isis fits in here one particular way, this flood of
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refugees, millions that have been displaced in syria. i've been saying for five years on this show that the u.s. attempt to overthrow assad was totally destabilizing and tragedy. what i write today is that isis could easily be defeated, but everybody, including the united states, has not put that as a priority. the united states priority in syria has not been to defeat isis but to overthrow assad. that's created chaos. the saudi priority in syria is not to defeat isis, though saudi arabia was hit by isis bombing today. it's been to push iran out of syria. every country involved, turkey the same way. we have stories all weekend saying, well, turkey kept the borders open to allow isis jihadis to move in and out of turkey for years. nobody has focused on defeating isis because everybody is fighting a different war. the united states has made a
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disaster. u.s. foreign policy has been an utter failure. i have to say every time i've been on the show i've said the same thing since the beginning of 2011, we made a mess in syria. and now it spills over into all our politics because it is true that the terrorist attacks, the refugees are destabilizing the politics. >> who do you support between clinton and trump? clinton would continue obama's foreign policy and trump is the isolationist. who do you agree more with on foreign policy? >> i think clinton has played a terrible role in this. i'm voting for her but she better change. >> why do you think she would change? >> she better change because it's been a disaster in libya, it's been a disaster in syria. she has always gone for the war approach. that's what benghazi showed also. >> the opposite, why wouldn't you vote for trump? >> because he's so unstable in so many ways i couldn't support
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him. on foreign policy, hillary's record is just terrible about this regard. >> do you long for a third candidate that's a better option. >> i supported one for a long time, bernie sanders. we don't have one right now. i think trump is so unstable you can't support him. but hillary clinton's foreign policy record is a record of failure. that's the problem. >> are you alarmed? >> i will add my name to the alarmed column. >> all right. dr. jeffrey sachs, thank you very much for being on with us this morning. chris jansing, stay with us. coming up fresh off the campaign trail katy tur and kasie hunt join us to talk about the candidate's push for a running mate and potential stumbling blocks there. we'll be right back with more "morning joe."
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to get it there. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the united states postal service. priority: you welcome back to "morning joe." tuesday july 5th. joe has the morning off this morning. with us managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin, white house correspondent chris jansing and in washington political reporter for "the washington post" robert costa, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor
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of the "washington post" eugene washington. in nashville, tennessee, pulitzer prize winning historian jon meacham. we'll begin with the big news over the weekend, and there was a lot. hillary clinton will be appearing with president obama on the campaign trail. that comes after a holiday weekend where she was questioned by the fbi for 3.5 hours about her private e-mail server. is the culmination of 16 months of public scrutiny from clinton's decision while she was secretary of state to exclusively use a private server for her e-mails rather than the state department's e-mail system, which is state department policy, first revealed in 2015. last year p inspectors general from state department and intelligence committee referred to the justice department once they discovered mishandling of sensitive information after classified material was found in some of the e-mails. clinton at first said none of
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the e-mails were classified and later amend that statement to say none of the e-mails were marked classified when sent or received. p a number of top clinton aides interviewed on the probe. clinton turned over hard drive from e-mail server to fbi. now, the staffer who set up the server was granted limited immunity and was cooperating with the investigation. clinton left her home in washington for fbi headquarters saturday morning for what an aide described as a voluntary intervi interview. according to "new york times" eight officials from the fbi and justice department took part in what was called a civil and business-like meeting by someone familiar with the session. clinton said she was pleased to have the opportunity to assist the department in bringing this to a conclusion. that evening clinton told nbc's chuck todd she has no knowledge of when the investigation will be over saying she was given no time line. she defended her husband's
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controversial private visit with attorney general loretta lynch. >> it was a short, chance meeting that occurred and they did not discuss the department of justice's review. i know that some, nonetheless, have viewed the meeting in a different light. an both the attorney general and my husband have said they would not do it again. hindsight is 20/20. both attorney general and my husband have said they wouldn't do it again, even though it was, from all accounts, i have heard and seen, an exchange of pleasantries. >> who advised you it was trtly legal for your to have a private server and have this information on there as secretary of state. who gave you that advice? >> i'm not going to go into any more detail than i have in public many times as you certainly know, out of respect
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for the process that the department is conducting. so i'm not going to cement any further on the review. i've been answering questions for over a year, more than 55,000 pages of my e-mails for the public to read for them selves. i will continue to be as forthcoming as i can. my answer that i first gave more than a year ago i stand by. >> okay. let's go through this before we move on. chuck todd was only given five minutes to interview secretary clinton, so there's only so much he could get done there. mark halperin, first of all, fbi meeting over the holiday weekend, 3.5 hours long, what are you hearing from your sources? is this an attempt to get this done quietly under the radar?
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>> we don't know a lot about fbi pacing, people waiting for an interview for a while. >> what do you make of the timing. >> the clinton lawyer, crafty, i suspect the fact it was on a holiday weekend was not a coincidence. i think the loretta lynch meeting with bill clinton was not good optics no matter when it was had. she said for a while she would talk to them. my big question, is she subject to recall or did david kendall as he has in the past negotiate one and done. they get one chance to interview her. if that's the case one and done i suspect this could be wrapped up. they have got to finish this before the convention or i don't think they can finish it before the election. >> she said she's been answering questions all year on this. is this a problem that the
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answers have been not accurate at the very least? >> among voters, all you have to do is look at polls. >> what's the truth? she broke state department policy and keeps saying it was allowed. was it allowed? no. >> it was allowed. >> stop right there. >> it's not clear what law she would have broken. >> it wasn't allowed. the words she's using over and over and over again for the past year, which she told chuck todd, i've been answering questions for the past year, please tell me has she been saying something that was truthful over the past year? yes or no. >> not about whether it was allowed or not. one of the things chuck asked her, which she's been asked before, was who authorized this before, she refused to say. the attorney general suggested no one was asked about it on the i i.t. side or legal side. >> you have to assume that was a key part of the question over the three plus hours. having said that, there hasn't been the kind of transparency
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that would make even some of her supporters, many supporters i talked to feel comfortable about it. i epa heard from some people, why did she say all that i have heard and seen. why didn't she say, i talked to my husband and i said to him, are you kidding me, the same way jonathan capehart so ably said to the attorney general, what were you thinking. it adds to the continuing perception problem for hillary clinton. that 61% that we keep talking about this morning. people who are feel very uncomfortable about their choices. >> i'll say again, every person i talked to after the fbi interview seems to not have a care in the world about this thing. >> i'm not sure about that. i think the polls that we're seeing in terms of approval and people being alarmed, i see a disconnect. >> they care about the numbers. i don't get the sense they think an indictment is looming. >> so eugene robinson, i want to
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go to you, jon meacham and robert costa with the same question before we even get into the loretta lynch meeting. she's been answering this question for a year. has she been answering it truthfully? eugene robinson. >> she says it was allowed. allowed is a word that she uses. i don't see how that comports with what we know. it's not policy. it's not what you're supposed to do as secretary of state. until we get an answer as to who allowed it, who told you it was allowed, you know, i think the evidence suggests otherwise. i also think that the timing, the fact that she has now been interviewed suggests to me that they are close to wrapping this up, right, because if she's clearly at the center of this investigation, and you would want to get all your ducks in a row and get all the other information before you talked to
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her, pretty much at the end of your probe. so i think there's a good chance this does get wrapped up one way or the other fairly soon. >> jon meacham. >> i'm always reminded what winston church hihill said abou americans, they do the right thing once they have exhausted every other possibility. this is 25 years of this, sort of skirting the allowed, skirting the meaning of is and so forth. they are devoted to public service but have an incredible instinct for self-preservation and protecting them selves against enemies real and imagined. my own bet is that the decision to use the server is deeply
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rooted in that part of the clinton culture. and we've been to this movie before and i suspect we'll be seeing it again for the next four to eight years. >> bob cost ark, donald trump hammered clinton on twitter, quote, it was just announced by sources that no charges will be brought against crooked hillary clinton. like i saidish the system is totally rigged. he had his own problems over the weekend in terms of a response. >> what we're seeing from the trump campaign is something that's very interesting. they have a short window now between the convention and before the vice presidential selectiones announced. they look at the lynch issue based in my reporting and see an opening. what i expect when trump doss capitol hill behind me on thursday is a coordinated message from republicans in congress and trump with lynch
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calling for recusal, independent counsel, special prosecutor to look into this issue. they think this lynch episode with the former president proceeds an opportunity for the party to provide not only trust questions around hillary clinton but make it seem as trump wrote on twitter, a rigged system. that seems to be the coalescing argument from the republican side. >> what they have to worry about if they come out and says there's no corrupt act, do they call comey corrupt? it's unlikely. just like with benghazi, they run the risk of building this up. what she did was wrong, she said, the way she handled it has not been great. if it ends up going poof, comey blesses a nonindictment. >> what would have been the crime here? is it that national security secrets -- >> mishad this classified
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information, knowingly mishandling it. >> isn't that kind of obvious. >> not under the standard of the law. >> and when were they classified. >> but on a private server out of chappaqua instead of the state department. i'm sorry, what am i missing? >> not clear it's a violation of any actual statute. i tell you, republicans have to have a plan b. if she's indicted, i don't think she'll be the nominee if she's indicted. if she's indicted, how do they handle it? if the story is fbi recommended indictment and overruled but if the story is comey didn't see a crime, they have to move onto something else. >> that's the story. that's yet another chapter of like lucy and the football. the press and voters are like charlie brown. they go and they try to kick the clintons. we've adjudicated this once.
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bill clinton did just about the worst thing you can imagine in the white house and, you know, he left with a higher approval rating. so this is not an unfamiliar drama. >> so right. you said something about we've been watching for 25 maybe 30 years thinking people are going to want to watch that movie again given donald trump's campaign spending the long weekend in a slow, boiling controversy about twitter. on saturday morning trump's twitter account displaced this image of tweet calling hillary clinton the most corrupt candidate ever with the words inside a six-pointed star. many pointed out it was a star of david shape placed on a bed of $100 bills. the star of david is an image that represents the jewish faith. as the criticism of the imagery grew, trump replaced the image with a circle, though the points of the star were still visible underneath. trump remained silent on the matter. then on sunday mic.com first reported the image had and
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earlier on a message board used by white supremacists. the same graphic a few weeks earlier on an account that had racist imagery. trump had no comment. the controversy was political correctness run amok. >> look, a tweet is a simple tweet. the bottom line you can read into things that aren't there. a star sheriff's department across the country use all over the place to represent livermore. to read into something that isn't there is, again, the mainstream media trying to attack donald trump for something that really isn't there. again, bottom line, this is political correctness run amok. if this is a star next to hillary clinton that didn't have cash behind it, no one would be questioning this. >> anti-defamation league this a different view, said in a statement released on sunday, quote, we are outraged to see that his campaign is sourcing material like this from offensive website.
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it's long overdue to reject anti-semites with the same clarity he brings to the campaign trail calling out candidates. dishonest media trying their best to depict a star and a tweet as a star of david rather than a sheriff's star or plain star. the clinton campaign called out trump for the use of, quote, blatantly anti-semitic images from racist websites and saying, it is, quote, part of a pattern. trump argued back it was a basic star, used by sheriffs a. meanwhile one of his core aides sought to explain the original tweet. we're talking about a tweet, everybody. i've been talking for five minutes about a tweet. the tweet's origin, social media graphic viewed this weekend was not created by the campaign nor was it source freddie an anti-semitic site, it was lift
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freddie anti-twitter hillary user where countless images appear. can we stop at some point? i'm going to stop. just come to me. okay. they go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth over this stupid tweet which was rude, racist, anti-semitic at worst and maybe -- maybe a big mistake possibly. but with the pattern, no one really knows. so why can't the trump campaign get it, that this is one of those times where you just apologize. let's say it was a really big mistake, just benefit of the doubt. if you make a mistake like that and god knows we've all made many, you can't go through life without making mistakes, okay? you say you're sorry, deeply sorry. you perhaps do something and say something to show how much you care. >> closest they came was their social media director who said i don't want to offend anybody that's why within a couple of hours they took this down. if you're the campaign looking
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at this, it's not changing the equation for them with their base of support. no one is going to change their view. in fact if anything it makes them hate the media more, anymore it's going to change. >> i got tired of reading it. we're talking about a tweet. why can't they say sorry about a tweet. >> that's a decision made by mr. trump. >> halperin. >> when trump shows up and meets with republicans, do you think they are still going to be unhappy with his level of rapid spoken and staying on message? >> i think so because most presidential campaigns at this stage have 50 to 20 people vetting social media. the trump campaign that a few others. what we see is lack of a filter, alternative terms, alt right, where people associate with racism, anti-semitism and other unsavory parts of the national
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political discourse, they discuss trump and other topics, some of these images my great to twitter. as we've seen with trump's tweert feed in the past sometimes he picks up on these images and integrates them into the feed. there's not a filter between fringe elements, racist and anti-semitic elements and what ends up in the stream of thing that appear with donald trump. his campaign said it was a mistake, a sheriff's star, but this is something that's telling about how they operate and how they really don't have a process for managing information inside of the campaign at this level. >> there's something here in this response that exemplifies this sort of absolutely out of control desire to fight the media and the world that is palinesque, completely out of the bounds of norm. there is everything in donald trump's family and history that shows that he is not a racist,
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that he is not -- i point to his son-in-law. there are so many things they could do to show this does not represent who donald trump is and yet they want to fight. they want to fight the media, they want to fight the opposition. they want to fight and get ugly at every turn. this is a mistake obviously. >> it comes directly from the candidate. if you learn anything from reporting on donald trump, everything inside of that campaign comes directly from the top and the candidate's ethos. if you see it it's because the candidate is internally and externally encourages that. >> everything in his business life, in addition to that, he believes it's what got him to where he is now. it worked during the primaries. we talked about whether he would make the turn. the answer is no. >> a narrow margin of hillary clinton over donald trump. just out this morning nbc news survey monkey online poll has
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clinton leading 48-43. it's the same margin as "usa today" poll cut the lead from double digits down to 5 points. that poll reflects a growing sense of dread among electorate. 61% say they are alarmed about the election. 61%. just 23% are excited about this election. survey monkey poll offered voters a chance to do a little window shopping showing clinton running even with mitt romney in a hypothetical ballot but trailing paul rion and john kasich. jon meacham, eugene robinson have you ever seen anything like it, how people feel about the candidates for president? >> no. i think we're at historic lows in terms of it's a new high in lows, in terms of negativity toward the nominees. usually that would suggest a low
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turnout election. i think intuitively my own guess is that will not be the case this time. i know we all spent a holiday weekend trying not to talk about this and talking about it anyway. i think there are people saying i'm just going to stay home. i'm going to write in a name. i think that's going to be really hard for politically engaged people over the next four or five months. the debates are going to be the most watched events in television history. and the stakes are going to appear ever higher, because as you just said, mika, he loves the fight. that's sort of okay for the middle of july in a campaign and a tweet and all that, but presidents can't fight all the time. so there are fundamental questions of temperament and knowledge that are going to be adjudicated. i think a lot of folks are going to have a very hard time sitting
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at home when the choice seems this stark. >> eugene. >> i agree with jon. i don't think people will sit home. i think there will be a very healthy turnout in the fall despite the fact that our two leading political parties are managing to nominate the two least popular politicians in the country. each of whom is problematic for different reasons. you know, the fact that we talked all weekend about a tweet, mika, you're right. this is ridiculous, yet this is where we are. there's an essential contradiction here between saying on the one hand there was nothing wrong with it. on the other hand we took it down because we didn't want people to be offended. so you can't kind of have that both ways. when is the trump campaign going to get control of not just the social media but of this sort of
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instinct to fight at all times. the answer is i don't think it's gonna. i don't think it's going to be that way on both sides. >> that's my sort of horror is how they could let that happen given, you know -- >> who is the "they." >> exactly. that's a good question. >> if he picks a good running mate and has a good convention, both within his power, he will roar ahead of her in the polls. >> what? >> the country says, great pick. >> within two to three weeks after the second convention, views settle in, when you talk to people who do this sort of work all the time. p this period coming up, you can't overestimate how critical it is, especially when you say the way the poll is closing. >> meacham talking about people trying not to talk about this, i have to tell you, i finally had a chance with a day off to talk to people in the neighborhood, around town, people don't want to talk about it. they look at me and go, oh, my god. it's so bad.
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they just walk off discouraged. i haven't ever seen an election that has just people speechless. >> i hear the word depressing a lot. >> depressing and discouraging. all right. on that note, on that happy note, still ahead on "morning joe" is north carolina big enough for both of them. donald trump in a rally today. hillary clinton in charlotte. she got a lift from president obama on board "air force one," her former primary foe. andrea mitchell joins us live with a preview. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you totaled your brand new car.
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president obamaes on the campaign trail today makes his first appearance with hillary clinton in the battleground state of north carolina. joining us nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. andrea, what can we expect today? and of course a little controversy brewing. >> indeed. mika, the president is going all out in the first joint appearance for this campaign with hillary clinton even giving her a ride on "air force one."
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they have been teammates. >> yes, we can! >> even rivals. >> you just spoke for two minutes. >> today president obama will do what few other incumbent presidents have, lend his political firepower to his party's likely nominee, trying to help elect hillary clinton. >> i'm with her. i am fired up, and i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> he will be the first in couple ben since ronald reagan to campaign actively for his successor. many are either too unpopular or too controversial to be asked. mr. obama's popularity is now above 50%, a huge benefit to clinton in balancing ground states like north carolina. the president is giving mrs. clinton a ride on "air force one" an donald trump has already pounced, tweeting why is president obama allowed to use "air force one" on campaign trail with cooked hillary. she's flying with him tomorrow. p who pays? usually campaign picks up part of the expense for "air force
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one" when picked up for political travel. today's speech will be about clinton and the economy, what has been achieved so far, what more needs to be done. white house and campaign officials tell nbc news not a broad attack on donald trump. but the president has already been slamming trump for comments and policies. aides say mr. obama views as racist and divisive. >> america is a nation of immigrants. that's our strength. >> in politics and in life, ignorance is not a virtue. >> in fact the president has plenty to want to beat trump starting with opposition to presidency. >> you are not allowed to be president if you're not born in this country. he may not have been born in this country. >> the appearance awkward in terms of timing so quickly after the week with fbi, last week's very controversial meeting, her husband, bill clinton, with the attorney general.
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donald trump is not letting any time waste. he's going to be tag teaming them coming to role, north carolina, also appearing in the battleground state an hour or two after they lift off in "air force one." taxpayers paying a fortune for the use of "air force one" by hillary clinton is a total disgrace. >> watching this, 3 1/2 meeting with fbi quietly hushed away on july 4th weekend, all these images coming in, can you imagine anything less than the fbi fully exonerating her? >> i would expect -- i don't want to predict this because it's uncertain. there's always a possibility
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they would exonerate her and indict somebody else. predicting is perilous. it is a windup. she would be the last person they interview. they would go through the rigorous task going through what she said and what others said and deciding whether she made false statements, which is highly unusual given she's an attorney, she was prepared. she knew this was coming and she's had more than a year to figure out how to handle this. they have welcomed this. in fact, they wanted it to be a lot sooner. this is really late in the game. there's a prosecutorial rule you're not supposed to come out with a major case very close to the election. that happened back in 1992, in fact, with casper weinberger on an iran contradeal and it was very controversial. it happened in late october, i believe on halloween right before the election. it was highly unusual, widely
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criticized before the '92 campaign, very unfair to bush 41. there is actually a rule against it. if they get much beyond august with the final decision they are perilously close to being too close. i think they certainly want to wind had up, mika, before the nomination or they are going to be accused of trying to influence the campaign. on "air force one," the tweets from donald trump are not accurate. that will not surprise you. campaigns do pay for the political cost but the actual cost of protecting him is prorated because there are certain things that are built in any time the president is traveling or wherever the president is, so there's a division of that. we have to see later on whether they are transparent and tell us how much is paid for by the campaign. >> all right. andrea mitchell, thank you very much. it's fascinating the dynamics that play here with the president traveling. i can't imagine if anyone was slightly worried about this that
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they would be so publicly by her side. does that make sense? >> this is a rescheduled appearance. i think they were supposed to appear together after the orlando tragedy and the president can't turn his schedule on a dime. he's been p with the election all along. during "60 minutes" interview, he said along the lines of i know she didn't do anything wrong. he personally has seemed to know the facts all along. >> also a lawyer. he's been champing at the bit to get out there. he really wants to go after donald trump. you and i have been discussing early, it's a legacy issue for him. >> a legacy issue and trump issue, a lot at stake for sure. i'm going to still put myself in the column as alarmed. >> you're in good company, 61% of the company. >> coming up on "morning joe." >> i'd like to ask one question
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the attacks began after a bomber was stopped by security personal at the u.s. consulate. according to the security minister, two were injured. hours later a pair of bombers struck near a mosque. shortly after that a suicide bombing near medina, near the headquarters of prophet's mosque, a site considered holiest in islam. four security officers were killed. meanwhile in iraq, the death toll continues to climb after one of the deadliest bombings to hit baghdad in more than a decade. and the worst ever there at the hands of isis. at least 200 people were killed and another 176 wounded. authorities say a refrigerator truck filled with explosives blew up around midnight on saturday as people were celebrating ramadan. isis has also claimed responsibility for the attack in bangladesh on friday. gunmen stormed a restaurant in that country's capital city. the crisis that unfolded left 28
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people dead including six attackers and 20 hostages. joining us now deputy secretary of state tony blinken. a lot to get to on this. we're going to start around the table, starting in washington -- tennessee with jon meacham. meacham, go ahead. >> sir, you were in the situation room when bin laden was killed. can you compare and contrast for us the battles against al qaeda and isis, what are the lessons from one that can apply to the other? >> you know, john, what we're seeing is isis actually lashing out because every way we measure this, the territory they control, the number of foreign fighters and fighters overall, money, propaganda, they are down on every single measure. unfortunately one of the things they do in response is to lash out with these indiscriminate terrorist attacks, suicide bombers, car bombs, you name it going back to the more traditional model of terrorism. it's horrific.
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if you have someone willing to proceed them selves up, it's awfully difficult. in a strange way, it's a measure of the success we're having in taking territory away, taking foreign fighters away, taking resources away. >> eugene robinson in washington, jump in. >> tony, these deadly attacks right at the end of ramadan, this is like about the least islamic thing you could ever do, right? is there any anticipation that perhaps there could be a backlash against the islamic state? not that they are popular in all these islamic countries, but could there be a significant backlash because of the timing and because this is such an awful thing to do, killing muslims at the end of ramadan. >> we're already seeing that we're seeing it online. we're seeing from a year ago to today, a year ago the online traffic is running 80%, 90% in favor of isil, messaging. now for every single positive message about isil, six or seven
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negative ones of we have polling and it's consistent over time. 60% of people, young people in the middle east a year ago were strongly opposed to isil, now it's 80%. we're seeing actions have a real impact. it's actually producing a counter-reaction. i think when people begin to understand and are seeing, these people are not martyrs, they are murderers. that is becoming increasingly clear and having an impact on their ability to draw recruits to bring people into the fight for them. >> i think the question is do we really have a handle on this. on friday we had former ambassador nick burns and former assistant secretary of defense evelyn farkas of the atlantic council on the show talking about administration not having a coherent strategy for syria. let's take a look at what they said and then we'll get your reaction on the other side. >> i think the obama team has done very well trying to retrain iraqi army and put air power there but very risk averse in syria in terms of aiding in a
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big way rebel groups and putting our own people on the ground. these are big questions for us to think about. >> do you agree we don't have a strategy to defeat isis? >> yes, unfortunately. i want to go back to the syria point. you guys mentioned at the top of the segment this new -- they are calling it strategy, i don't think it's a strategy. they need to find an angle in to change the dynamic. one of the angles is the humanitarian but they are not talking about it. today there's an op-ed, 9 million people in syria essentially starving. over half a million are under siege. that's in addition to people who are being bombed, barrel bombed by the regime, et cetera. i think there's a humanitarian urgency we need to do something. >> let's have you respond, tony blinken, all connected even on a safe haven for refugees. why isn't there one? >> look, two things going on here. first, the fight against isil. we do have a clear strategy and driving it. we're trying to take away the
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core in iraq and syria. that's what's drawing people in, that's where we get resources. that's where we're having real success. 50% of the territory they covered is gone in iraq and syria. second we're trying to cut off networks, foreign fighters, networks, propaganda. there, too, against every measure we're having a real impact. finally the affiliates in other countries waving banners. in libya, back-up caliphate insert gathered and surrounded. all those strategies working. separate from that is this awful civil war in syria and we're trying to bring that to a close. these things end in one of three ways. either one side wins. that's not going to happen any time soon. in fact, assad taking a major, major hit. 100,000 killed, 80% gone and he's still standing. one side or the other doesn't win. p or they exhaust themselves, don't seem to be near
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concession. or some kind of solution imposed from the outside. that's what we're working on including with russia. >> >> bill clinton's former cia director called refusal, red line president obama drew, one of the biggest policy blunders in history, iran deal the second, no republican, cia director. i've heard you say success four times this morning. do you all sit around in private and take any responsibility for the morass that is this country's middle east policy or is it all externally forced. do you feel you've strengthened putin's hand by letting him go in and essentially weaponize refugees? >> we take responsibility every single day. you heard the president talk to this. i think there's frustration across the board at this horrific civil war in syria that's taking so many lives. >> did you create it? >> i don't think we created it? >> but the red line was drawn if
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assad used chemical weapons on his citizens there was going to be a different action. assad used chemical weapons on his citizens we about the red line. it was about assad's use of chemical weapons. we were able without firing a single shot to be far more effective. >> but then putin went in and bombed. do you not feel that givin giving putin worsened the crisis you were talking about? >> no. the question is how do we end this? how do we bring this to an end? the way is to get together with other countries that have a
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major roel le in getting them t work together in a situation. they are now dealing with propping up assad. he is under siege. if the civil war continues aechbd gets worse, which is what's going to continue, then all of the outside patrons will throw in more and more lethal weapons. they will go to extremist groups. 15% of russia's population is muslim. russia is now alive with hezbollah and iran. there was a big wake-up call last week. the bombers in turkey, turkey suffered awful attacks. where were they from? this is where putin in crushing this uprising. if this continues these folks
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i am certainly well aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material. >> facts are pretty clear. i did not send or receive anything that was classified at the time. >> let me repeat what i have repeated for many months now. i never received or sent any material that was marked classified and there is a process for the review of material before it is released to the public and there were decisions made that material should be classified. i do call that retro actively classifying so therefore it would not be publicly released. >> that was a sample of the progression of hillary clinton's answers about what was and was not classified during her
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welcome to "morning joe." on the set we have nicole wallace. >> new viewers. >> and cohosted with all due respect that airs on msnbc mark. political reporter for the washington post and political analyst robert costa and in washington winning editorial writing jonathan capehart. jonathan, we'll get to your interview with loretta lynch. first, today hillary clinton will appear with president obama on the campaign trail. it comes after a holiday weekend in which she was questioned by the fbi about her private e-mail server. it is the sul culmination to
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exclusively use a private e-mail server for her government and personal e-mails rather than the state department's e-mail system first revealed in march of 2015. there have been questions ever since. clinton left her home in washington saturday morning for what an aid described as a voluntary three and a half hour interview. eight officials took part in what was called a civil and business-like meeting. clinton said she please today assist in bringing this review to a conclusion. that ecvening clinton says she has no knowledge of when the investigation would be over saying she was given no time line. she defended her husband's controversial visit with loretta
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lynch. >> it was a short-chance meeting that occurred. they did not discuss the department of justice's review. i know that some, nonetheless, have viewed the meeting in a different light and both the attorney general and my husband have said they would not do it again. hindsight is 20/20. both said they wouldn't do it again even though it was from all accounts that i have heard and seen, an exchange of pleasa pleasa pleasa pleasantry. >> i believe that interview was on the phone and only five minutes was allowed. you know, at this point that is like everything here. it seems very concocted to protect her. boy, would i like her to be doing well right now but mark, tell me what you see in this. are they trying to move this along?
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are they trying to get this overwiove over with? private or meeting with the fbi on 4th of july weekend for three and a half hours, did they ask for it? are they trying to move it along? how are we supposed to assume everything is above board here? >> we don't know some basic things we often know about investigations at this stage. for one thing, is she subject to recall? they may say you get one time to sit with her. take as long as you want but that's it. we don't know if the prosecutors really want to look for a crime here or whether they simply wanted to run through and say we investigated. there's no crime at all. prosecutors want an indictment. that's what they do. we don't know what their mind
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set is towards this. everyone i talked to seems very relaxed about where things stand. >> nicole. >> you look at the most interesting poll numbers to date in my opinion, were inside our poll last week where the nbc wall street journal poll had her ahead on the question of trust wort worthiness. i think she has a 20 point deficit to donald trump. his entire brand is about telling it like it is. when he steps in it he still has an advantage over her because he is viewed as the truth teller. the case is about competence and more fundamental fitness to serve. these, i think will be these two huge bludgeons. it was a pretty easy with this
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development over the weekend. >> i think there are some polls we'll be showing that show how many people are alarmed by these candidates and pull these up for you. donald trump hammered clinton on twitter. it was just announced by sources that no charges will be brought against crooked hillary clinton. there are other tweets. >> that's his whole case. that was his case in the primary. he had sanders back. he served as an echo to the kinds of things bernie sanders was saying about him. these further af lolong that he trying. >> there is no report initially. but donald trump and people who have suspicious will demand more of an explanation than would be the normal in a a criminal case.
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if she is not indicted, what did they look at? >> and 61% are alarmed by this election. i just want to know, when you first heard the news breaking about the meeting with the fbi what's your gut on this story? you and i both know it's a story. i think the question all along was to people care. >> yeah, it is that secretary clinton is probably winning the legal battle but is definitely losing the trust battle. i'm told by defense lawyers which appears to have been voluntary. she wasn't compelled to come. they only allow them to go to such meetings if they are fairly sure an indictment is not coming. that is how people read it. it is consistent with what we
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have been hearing. on the trust side of this, on how it looks, it seems to get worse and worse. the meeting between bill clinton and the former president and lynch couldn't have looked worse. no way you'll be able to erase that. it think she will have to deal with that. the fact that clintons think they are different, usual rules don't apply to them, i think it will be harder to get rid of no matter what the formal finding. >> and bob, you saw the trump campaign burning a little bit along the way but at least not getting in the way of bad news for hillary clinton, but they had their own set of problems over the weekend. your gut in both stories. >> what you're seeing is an attempt to try to professionalize, focus on secretary clinton and already setting the table for the argument they are going to make
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if an indictment does not unfold if the justice department. it is focused on the vice presidential, trying to look beyond just a circle of gingrich and christie as he tries to make the final pick for number two. >> on friday the new york times reported that loretta lynch would accept whatever the fbi director made about hillary clinton for her use of that private e-mail server as secretary of state. you interviewed lynch on friday and asked her about her role and the impression left by her private meeting in phoenix. lelts ta let's take a look. >> you have the reputation of having the highest integrity, utmost solid judgment, so when people heard what went down in
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phoenix a lot of people were like -- i mean friends, supporters, backers were saying what on earth was she thinking talking to bill clinton. so what on earth were you thinking? what happened? >> well, i think that's the question of the day isn't it? >> yes. >> and i think it's a perfectly reasonable question. i think that's the question that is called, you know, by what happened in phoenix because people have also wondered and raised questions about my role in the ultimate resolution of matters involved in the investigation in the state department e-mails. to the extent that people have questions about my role in that certainly my meeting with him raises questions and concerns. believe me, i completely get that question. the matter is being handled by career agents and investigators with the department of justice. they have had it.
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>> it predates your tenure. >> yes. it is the same team. they are acting independently. they follow the law. they follow the facts. that team will make findings, a chronology of what happened, the fact chul scenario. they will make recommendations to resolve what the facts lead to. the recommendations will be reviewed by the supervisors in the sfrfbi and the fbi director. they present it to me and i fully expect to sup theaccept t recommendations. >> one of the things they were saying is you were recusing yourself from having any kind of role in the final determination. is that the case? >> a recusal would mean i wouldn't be briefed on what the actions going forward would be. while i don't have a role in
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coming up with those findings or making recommendations i'll be briefed on it and i will be accepting their recommendations. >> jonathan, nice job with that. >> thank you. >> and i'm just wondering, if someone is coming onto your plane to meet with you privately and that person is married to the person at the focus of an investigation that you clearly have say over, don't you say sorry i can't do it? sorry, it cannot happen. we will have this meeting at a later date. i look forward to talking about her grandchildren at a later date. >> and as a lot of people have said many times on this show since this story broke, we are talking about bill clinton here. you know, he is the former president of the united states. he is an overwhelming personality and overwhelming force. that's part of it. >> is that the time you say no. i can't have the meeting.
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>> wait a second. the new york times said this is what he does. that tarmac meeting, that's one. two, from reporting that was in the observer and from the reporting that i have been able to do, her staff was off the plane. there was no one there except her detail to get in the way of the president. and three, the conversation was social and from what i understand, each time she tried to end the conversation the president started up about something else. i'm sorry i didn't get this to you before we went on air, the more i listened to loretta lynch talk about what they talked about on the plane, when she answered questions about it in phoenix and los angeles, when i talked to her and i had another ten minute interview after that interview, it's clear that bill clinton, president clinton did
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all of the talking about his grand kids, about golf, travel, about everything. so the idea that loretta lynch, attorney general lynch wanted to have this conversation with president clinton i think is inaccurate to say. >> no. no. i'm not saying she wanted to have the conversation. i'm saying she should not have had the conversation even though he talks and talks about kids that's what can appear to color an investigation. that's why you keep people separa separate, juries. we don't need to go to law school to understand how bad this was. >> and also the attorney general understands that. i think she has been very transparent about what happened and what's going to happen. i mean she didn't have to talk in phoenix. she didn't have to talk in l.a. she was certainly well within her rights to cancel this interview that had been on the
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books for weeks. she sat there and took the questions. one thing that i don't think people know, she was supposed to give a ten minute speech on criminal justice reform and sit down with me and we would have a conversation about what she just talked about. instead that morning her staff came to me and said that's change of plans. she is no longer speaking. when you're introduced go to the chairs and have at it. >> if none of this had happened she would have made a speech. what's this? what are you talking about? >> what i'm saying is the original plan was she was going to speak on criminal justice reform. she jumped the speech. >> yes. >> because of what happened she wanted to talk about this. she wanted to talk about this. as we saw in the clips that you just showed she had two things she wanted to do ultimately. i watched the interview ice.
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i listened to my interview with her twice. i read the transcript. it is clear she is trying to do two things. she is trying to explain how this process works. she knows that it was and remains a disaster of proportions when it comes to the integrity of the justice department. she wants everyone to understand how this process is working. two, in the clip you showed she talks a great deal about career prosecutors and career investigators. she is trying to make it clear to everyone if they are willing to hear it that she is not making decision. political people are not making the decision. it is career prosecutors and investigators who have been there before she got there and will be there after so that way she is trying to make it clear there isn't going to be any political influence. still ahead on "morning joe," new polls show people are alarmed by the state of the presidential race. are you alarmed? i'm alarmed.
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on saturday campaign trump's twitter account displayed this image, a tweet calling hillary clinton the most corrupt candidate ever with the words inside a six-pointed star.
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many pointed out it was a star of david shape placed on a bed of $100 bills. it represents the jewish faith and as the criticism drew trump replaced the image with a circle though the points of the star were still visible underneath. on sunday they reported the image appeared earlier on a message board used by white supremacists. it appeared two weeks earlier. trump still had no comment but his former campaign manager said the controversial was political correctness run amuck. >> the tweet is a tweet. you can run into things that aren't there. they use it to represent law enforcement and to read into something that isn't there, i think it's the mainstream media trying to attack trump for something that's not there.
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this is political correctness r run amuck. >> the anti defamation league had a different view saying in a statement released on sunday quote we are outraged to see that his campaign is sources material like this offensive image from online resources. it is long overdue for mr. trump to reject the racists with the same clarity and imagery when calling out other candidates. after silence on the matter trump tweeted yesterday dishonest media is doing their best to deprotect -- the clinton campaign calmed it a use of play tantly anti she mettic imagery and saying it is part of a pattern.
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trump argued back it was quote a basic star often used by sheriffs that deal with criminal behavior. trump's social media director and one of his core aids, d dan scavino said the social media graphic was not created by the campaign or sourced from an anti-s ant anti-semimettic site. it is why i selected it. as the social media director i would never offend anyone and chose to remove the image. an option for the --
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>> bob, toss it. >> why is it just quickly explaning. >> and even apologizing. >> yeah, easy. >> the first problem is how did this happen? most presidential campaignings had 15 to 20 people on the social media team reviewing twitter messages if not more people. i think it is indicative of how the trump campaign has without vetting supporters. trump has had problems in the past with people who have problems with anti semitism and gi
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giving they operate kind of under the radar over national conversation. some elements of this has got an increasing presence in american politics has migrated towards trump. it doesn't mean trump endorses them but more and more appeared at his rallies as supporters it included the six-sided star, the star of david. it doesn't have this vetting operation. it is not that surprising that it some how appears on trump's feed. >> i will toss it to nicole and you can jump in. the problem is that it's part of a serious pattern that is on the record. if by any chance it was some wild mistake why not apologize pro fusely and immediately?
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>> and why not apologize to the tactic. i understand the anti-apology but you have to apologize at a thstrategic level. >> apologize for the -- >> yeah. >> he should have said i drew it myself. it was rude and offensive. back to the fbi case. >> that's what i don't get. nicole is right. he doesn't like to apologize. they feel indignant about it. why on a weekend when your opponent is being interviewed by the fbi -- >> and let it go on for three days. >> yeah. i worked for bush and chaney. he refused to admit things had gone wrong. you could sort of bring him
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along for recapturing people's attention. there is a genuine trreason to apologize. my question for david is, how do you look at someone like trump who takes three days to explain away what may have been an honest mistake, but no one knows now, how do you explain on the question who is best to take the fight to the terrorists? >> i think that's precisely the issue she is going to raise again and again, does this man have the judgment, temperament to be the country's leader in a time of real stress overseas? donald trump is the gift that keeps on giving. every time they have a problem he does something really stupid. rather than put it aside with the things smart politicians do,
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he lets it fester. it plays to the poor campaign theme which is this is about temperament, a liability and our opponent doesn't have it. coming up on "morning joe," the campaign's turn their attention to their running mates. we are live with new reporting, plus hillary clinton picks up a new trail mate and she and president obama gas up his jet and head to north carolina. is that on taxpayer money? if she can pull off a win there can trump's map math recover? "morning joe" in just a moment.
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everything the clinton campaign is doing to suppress trump will suppress trump because he is not trying. she will look much better in the polls in the key states. she has to find a way to make him so utterly unacceptable. she can do that we sleets. trump's job is tankly to quit crewing up and get it on three or four big issues which come down to single concept, enough. >> so newt gingrich also said he is not trying. that's one way of looking at it.
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let's bring in katie and in washington casey hunt. casey is covering the clinton campaign. we have nicole and john back with us as well. katie, let's start with you. that is the theme that he is not trying, stop crscrewing up. would this be another version of screwing up? >> yes. this was a good weekend with him with clinton meeting with the fbi. like he had all of the momentum. he squadered it. to run a general election campaign you need money. this hurts your money base. i have spoken to donors over the weekend and spoken to people who
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have control over donors money and they say this is why we don't want to get involved. you never know when he will do something potentially racially tinged. you don't want running with someone who is so unpredictable. >> you have done this. he doesn't have someone with my job. there was a correction in the paper correcting a title because someone was described as a communications director. it was that he is simply a communications adviser. he is doing this without people that have my title. >> tell me, what i already know which is have they pro fusely apologized? >> let's just say they thought it was a sheriffs star. what if they said -- >> yeah, but would it have gone away?
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>> yes. >> why? >> he is a guy that doesn't like to admit that he is wrong. i have encountered that but is there is remorse and regret that makes you apologize but some times the strategic reason to apologize makes you apologize. he doesn't apologize because it would benefit him stroo teejically. >> go ahead. >> i have a question for katie. i think we all know how trump speaks out but how does the information come in? is he reading his own twitter feed? is he reading tweets about himself? what's the information flow? >> in terms of the tweets here is how it breaks down. this is what i'm told by someone that is familiar with the process. dan comes in around 8:30 or 9:00
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in the morning. he takes over donald trump's tweets and does them through late at night. if it's early in the morning trump has complete control and then he has support by scavino. they are basically skrieping hash tag -- scraping hash tags. they take it out and push it out into nar feed. there's not a process by which they, you know, vet where these images are coming from. that is what has gotten him in trouble. scavino said they would be more careful with what they put out there and they would do background checks and flush it out a little more. that is not happening. i want to make a point about this. we have sat around the table and others have sat around other tables and said donald trump need to apologize for this.
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john mccain was one of them. the idea that they will wake up and say we are going to start apologizing is not realistic. the problem is it's not the primary. it's the general election. the general election also needs money. >> i don't know if it works for him in the general election. >> casey hunt, must have felt that on the negative tweet. >> yes. look at how the weekend played out for them and look at how the next week is set up because of what they are focusing on. she arranges some how or the fbi asks her to do an interview. we have very few details coming out of that and everyone is celebrating for the 4th of july and donald trump is causing all
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of this controversy. they extended that by waiting it out and putting out a statement a day later so there is another round of stories about this tweet and they have the week stacked up so she is with president obama in north carolina today and she is moving to atlantic city and then friday she is with joe biden in pennsylvania. of course the whole news cycle is about to shift away from her but that's a pretty strong kind of play-by-play to be working with. i will say the one major unforcedunforc unforced error is the meeting that clinton took with loretta lynch. i think sit a very stark deviation from what is this very organized clinton machine that's been churning down this campaign trail. it is interesting to see if clinton will start to stay home
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it is the lowest level in about 31 years. if you're thinking about that english vacation it just got a lot cheaper for you. they flooded to the safety of u.s. treasury bonds. if you're a home buyer or home refinancer lower mortgage rates as well. on the corporate front we ha have tesla stock. it delivered fewer vehicles than expected. this is the second straight quarter they missed production target. they blamed cars being produced late in the quarter, a production ramp up. a holiday shortened woke. factory orders coming up later today. it will be a huge focus for investors after the weak report. finally, guys, if you like twinkies and hoho's and
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food. >> you feel good eating it? >> it is delicious. >> when is the last time? >> it has ban while. >> thank you for that. still ahead, are we seeing the most volatile time in american history in we take you inside the new book about the year america lost its mind and found its soul. we'll find out how it can help us explain today. that's coming up next on "morning joe."
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we were like 21, 22, 23 years old. we were kids. we were born in the civil rights movement. we were then born in the womens movement in the beginning of the movement. all of this ferment was happening. >> wow, some of the striking
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images in the late 1960s with the vietnam war as the big backdrop behind much of the social and political unrest. that's the subject of clara bingham. it is the year american lost and found its soul. clara joins us now. witness to the revolution. clara, we just found out we went to the same high school and same head mistress. we have stories. that's the next segment we do together but we'll talk about your book that is really striking given the times. you echoes all over this book. tell us what they are given to this scene. >> this book is an oral history of the school area 69/70. i interviewed 100 people involved in the movement for social change.
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they were anti-war activists, environmentalists, hippies, back to the land. it was all part of a massive social upheaval taking part in the 60s but by the late 60s because of the anti war movement which had become very popular and the war was extremely unpopular is country came close to a civil war. >> it's amazing you put together this book. >> i did have john to work with. she a historian. he helped me again. >> jump in. >> i did want clara to do an oral history of sha's rebelian but she pushed back. >> i am curious, tell folks what
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surprised you most about the stories you heard. >> well, i remember being stunned to see the numbers of the student strike. there was a strike in may of 1970. four students were shot and killed by the ohio national guard. 13 shot total. we just incladed cambodia. 2.5 million students did not take final exams or go to class. there were bombings and protests all over the country. at that point we came to the brink of a civil war. it was as bad as it had been since the 1860s in america. i just graduated from college 15 years later and we were in the middle of the reagan revolution. who knew? >> how did you come to write this? i am reading how they were talking about how they were the
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largest demonstration they had ever seen. how did you -- what was the concept? what was the realization? >> i realize i missed the 60s but that my life and the country had completely changed because of the 60s and this period had been misunderstood, made fun of and i wanted to go back and catch everybody before it was too late and many of the people i interviewed were in their 70s and looking back. i wanted it to be an oral history because i wanted them to tell their stories and explain why they did what they did and what impact they felt it did. >> did they find any parallels and why is it playing out so differently? >> little did i know when i started this book that we would have three baby boomers running for president who all cut their teeth in this year.
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hillary graduated in '69. he moved up with pilgrimage going back to the land in '68. trump was getting deferments from vietnam at the time. it is fascinating to see how this last generation of baby boomers to run for president. now we are seeing the unfinished business in a way of the '60s revolution. many of the people said they felt the cultural revolution won. >> the way they are putting that out there so different from what we saw. i mean they are showing up at his rallies but we don't see that kind of social action. >> right. it's a different time and right now it's more of an economic
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issue. it's a pop you li-- populist is. >> talk about that. >> it with was a big surprise for me. i interviewed 100 people. so many of them were traumatized from elsberg to jane fonda to people you have never heard of who were on the forefront or were in vietnam fighting and coming home and dealing with what they had done in vietnam. it was a very traumatic time that made it that much harder to revisit. >> if you're concerned about what is going on this is the book to read on vacation, witness to the revolution, radica radicals, hippies and the year america lost its mind and found
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>> i think it's a good read. >> yes. that's what we agree on. there's this discontent out there. >> all right. that does it for us today. stephanie picks up the coverage right now. have a good day. goods morning. i'm stephanie. this morning a wild weekend on the campaign trail. it is about to get even wilder. donald trump and hillary clinton battle it out in the same state today. heavy hitters campaigning with clinton for the first time. >> i'm with her. >> and a prominent senator . and a firestorm, is this anti-semitic, what the trump campaign is saying now. clinton speaks to the fbi then to nbc

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