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trump. the presumptive republican nominee has spent the past month mired in controversy after controversy amid several missteps while clinton herself has been busing holding joint campaign appearances with heavyweights like elizabeth warren and next up sanders will join her on friday. all this while trump is outspending her on the air waves with, 15/1. so right now, democrats are feeling pretty good about a sanders endorsement. now it's over to lawrence o'donnell for the last word. >> hillary clinton went to atlantic city today to one of the casinos bankrupted to highlight donald trump's business failures and how they hurt people who made the mistake of doing business with donald trump. in response, donald trump the took a turn at the microphone in a rally to cincinnati. i hesitate to call it a speech because that would imply there was some organization to the thought that he presented and, in fact, thoughts might be too strong a word for what we heard from donald trump. imagine, just imagine the frustration of the trump campaign staff on this day when
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hillary clinton launched such an effective attack on donald trump. imagine the trump campaign's frustration when donald trump got up on the stage and actually talked about chuck todd more than he talked about hillary clinton. >> so if you go to your television, you'll see live a pretty terrific event right here in cincinnati. >> i hate saddam how sane, but he was -- good at killing terrorists. >> it looks like we're sooilg seeing a guy who is unhinged. >> isn't he supposed to be some kind of amazing businessman? >> have you all seen this? it's a star. they say it's the star of david. i have a son-in-law who is jewish. these are sick people. they're bad people. that's not the star of david. that's just a star. >> this is a ram blging variety show. >> the democrats -- ooh, there was a mosquito. >> what the in the world happened here? >> we like news. >> this guy is going to kick
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over the table. >> newt, newt. >> it rambles, it wanders. >> there's a guy on "meet the press" called sleepy eyed chuck todd. >> he made more swipes at chuck todd than he did at headquarter had headquarter in this speech. >> he bankrupted his companies not once -- >> donald trump is a bad person. >> not twice -- >> donald trump made a lot of money in atlantic city, but he hurt the little people. she calls them the little people. >> but four times. it is the same scam over and over again. >> isn't it nice when you don't read from a speech?
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but not donald trump. the campaign gave him just one piece of paper because they knew that's all he can manage. that's all he can handle, one piece of paper. that piece of paper had the message the campaign wanted to drill home tonight and it was message that no other presidential campaign in history has ever had. a message about the very sharp criticisms that the director of the fbi leveled against donald trump's opponent yesterday. donald trump is the first candidate for president in history who has been handed a public statement from the director of the fbi that is critical of his opponent. in any other candidate's hands, that piece of paper would be campaign gold. donald trump began by he reading some of the things that the fbi director said about hillary clinton yesterday, but he seemed
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to bore himself with the fbi director's words and donald trump very quickly changed the subject. to one of chuck todd. chuck todd and saddam hussein. and donald trump actually spent more time talking about chuck todd than he spoke about the fbi director or hillary clinton. >> there's a guy on "meet the press" called sleepy eyes chuck todd. does anybody ever -- the guy was dying on "meet the press" a year ago, a while ago. he was dying. nobody watching "meet the press." i wake up, i turn the television. donald trump loves saddam hussein. he loves saddam hussein. and actually put a press release out. now the people that saw it say it was great, but they are liars. these are bad people. these are bad peel. and what i did say -- and what i did say is that he was good at one thing. he was really good at killing terrorists.
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he didn't wait around. do you think they gave the terrorists trials that lasted 18 years? and then after 18 years if they had the right lawyer, they erect a statue in honor of the terrorists, right? not with trump. >> joining us now, malcom nance, former counterterrorism intelligent officer. malcolm, there are so many things in had that speech i want to get to. but the first thing i want to do is talk to you about what donald trump said about saddam hussein and terrorists. your reaction to that? >> you know, i think it was the writer, fran lebowitz who came up with the great saying, think before you speak and read before you think. this is one circumstance in which clearly donald trump has no clue about what he's talking about with iraq, saddam hussein ask treatment of terrorists. as a matter of fact, one of the most famous incidents or i
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should say infamous incidents against people who would later become our allies, the popular union of occurred stan and the kurdistan party, were gassed by saddam hussein as terrorists during a genocidal campaign in the 1980s. and this was done because he considered all of those rogue sections of the country and he wanted to eliminate what he considered the terrorists from his country. >> and so, in fact, in saddam how sane's iraq, there weren't any of what we now call terrorists. >> well, certainly not the people who are islamic extremist terrorists that we see today. as a matter of fact, weeks before the invasion of iraq in 2003, saddam put out an all-hands call to the muslim
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world asking for anyone to come to iraq and defend iraq. and one of the groups that answered that call was a very small jordanian group called monotheism in holy war. and it was a led by a young protege of osama bin laden. in the pre days of an invasion, went to falluja, got all the weapons and equipment they could handle, all the explosives and safe houses they can handle. they let the americans flow through iraq and in august of that year, 2003, started carrying out massive terrorism, which to this day has not ended. of terrorism. not a -- he did not kill terrorists in the free world period. >> mall connance, thank you very much. just wanted to start with that fact check tonight. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> we're joined now by michael steele, and rick wilson.
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now let's give chuck todd the moment here. on "morning joe" this morning that got donald trump started tonight. and i've got to say, in an hour-long speech, without chuck todd, it would have been half an hour. >> maybe 27 minutes. >> let's listen to what chuck said on "morning joe" that started this whole speech. >> it was an unbelievable day. it is a -- i am sort of stunned at how badly donald trump's botching what is, to me, a gift. >> you're saying bringing up saddam how sane and saying he was really good at killing terrorists is -- >> not on that day, probably not. maybe tomorrow. >> maybe tomorrow phrasing but maybe yesterday i would have held -- >> michael steele, it's not just praising saddam hussein. he's completely wrong about what he's saying saddam how sane did. >> yeah. i mean, you know, the history is
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the history. the facts are the facts as mr. nance laid out very quickly. and i think that this is part of an overall narrative that, you know, i've said it over and over again. this campaign has to get the grip on the facts, the reality -- >> you can stop saying it. >> i'm just -- >> you can skip that. >> okay. all right. >> can we skip that part? >> okay. we can just put it on a screen or the audience, that thing you've said 300 times. >> i have to agree with chuck. i mean, you have the fbi director giving you, here is a happy welcome cake to the presidential election. and that's not the conversation we're having today. you have republicans around the country who are itching, talking about this subject, but that's not the conversation they're having because they're talking about donald trump talking about saddam how sane..
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if this is the course of going into this convention, coming out of this convention, it's going to be very difficult to get a campaign on track. that's the bottom line. >> and he spent much more time tonight talking about the star of david and talking about the tweet that his campaign -- >> let it he go. >> -- sent out. much more about that than about hillary clinton. let's listen to what he said about that. >> it's a star. and it actually looks like a sheriff's star, but i don't know. and behind it, they had money. oh, but there's money behind it. so actually, they're racially profiling. they're profiling, not us. why are they bringing this up? why do they bring it up? they have the star, which is fine. you shouldn't have taken it down. you know, with they took the star down. i said too bad. you should have left it up. i would have rather defended it. just leave it up. >> he doesn't know the language of the discussion. he never wants to be anti-semantic because apparently he doesn't know what that means. let's put up on the screen if we have it the tweet the trump
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campaign sent out, which they lifted directly from -- not that. not that tweet. the one that got this story started. that's the one he put up tonight trying to justify and stay with the tweet. here is the original one. listed directly as we know and has been proven from an anti-semitic website, no confusion about that, rick. and what he seems to want to communicate is i absolutely will not back down from this. and at some point, is it fair to interpret that donald trump is saying to the anti-semitic vote out there, whatever size it is, i'm your guy. >> well, look, this is a guy who retweeted them consistently, who relies now on them as part of his play here. and the fact of the matter is, this is a guy who got himself very hesitant to denounce the klan when it was brought to him,
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hesitate to denounce david duke. now he's playing games with this and playing foot'sy with this. it would have been easy to take advantage of a gorgeous slow pitch over the plate from comey yesterday and to try to turn yesterday into a day where he was for once on message and not stricken with his usual trump verbalal dysentery. but he spent the last 24 hours blowing the one opportunity he's going to get to try on to litigate what happened with hillary clinton yesterday and the fact that she wasn't mugshoted into something to turn his campaign around. but instead, it's been chuck todd, a consistent dig in on the star of david on a pile of cash which, gosh, no one would pick up what that symbolism means. and the double and triple dunn and try to snatch defeat from the jaws of what could have been a couple of decent days for him. it's no wonderful he's having trouble finding a vice presidential candidate. >> tonight, on this star of david, on that tweet, he ended
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up big saying they should have left it up. his campaign should have left up that tweet. he would have rather defended and just leave it up. now, the campaign and donald trump, presumably, made the decision this is bad, this tweet is bad. we've got to take it down. but that's yesterday. today he says nothing wrong with it. we should have left it up. >> probably how that unfolded was he was not a part of the decision to take it down, which is why he made the statement that he did. leave it up so i can defend it. but we don't want you defending that. we don't want you talking about that. we want you to talk about what rick was just talking about. we want you to talk about the 30,000 jobs that were created in the month of may. we want you to talk about the ig report. there are so many other bubbles of excitement out there that you can get the base and the party galvanized around, moving into this convention and then out of that convention into a full throated, you know, argument
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against hillary clinton wanting to be president. >> and, rick, hillary goes to atlantic city today, very effective appearance in front of the one of the bankrupted casinos. tonight is donald trump's chance to respond to hillary clinton in atlantic city. we counted it, 17 seconds he made reference to atlantic city. 17 seconds with not any real defense about what hillary clinton said there today. and, instead, he spent all his time on chuck todd, saddam how sane, on the star of david, all of these things. and that -- and you saw him holding that piece of paper that he started the speech with. he was holding that piece of paper with the fbi director's comments on it and you could tell, he couldn't wait to get it out of his hands. he just couldn't wait to get rid of that thing so that he could go do his whatever you call that thing that he did for 50 minutes. >> lawrence, the guy has the attention span of a gnat on meth. he has no discipline, no
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self-focus. there is something wrong with his focus where he has an opportunity to litigate an issue against hillary clinton and when it comes down to talking about mosquitoes flying around him and the guy has absolutely no personal dis-lynn. it is a terrifying prospect if you're a republican for the next couple of weeks, you happen, trying to wait and see what happens between now and the convention. these delegates that are getting nervous at the convention, they've been held in place by riots in the others. but they're thinking to themselves, how crazy is the show going to get every day? >> before we close this segment, "wall street journal" reporting the anti-trump at the convention needs the backing of 28 of the 112 members of the convention rules committee in order to get a vote of the full convention on possibly unbinding the
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delegates. and they have calculated that there is about 890 delegates who are loyal to trump, 680 who oppose trump and 900 delegates who are presumed to be in play. michael, according to the "wall street journal" tonight, there's a possibility. >> it's a possibility, but that will be very hard. because at the end of the day, because he is now in had control of this convention and the party, his people will sack on that committee. so that's going to be tough. the rnc is are going to have to play with donald trump on this. they can't break from trump. the rnc can't do that. that combination alone will put a -- it will be hard to get those 28 votes. >> and i had trouble following what donald trump said tonight, but don king is not going to be on the committee, right? >> no. >> he said don king was going to be a speaker and bobby knight, is he on the committee or -- he's a speaker. >> he's a speaker. >> and the family members are on speakers.
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michael steele and rick wilson, thank you both very much. >> thank you. up next, hillary clinton goes to the trump taj mahal and says there is one thing that you should really listen to, one thing that donald trump says that everyone really should believe. and good trump/bad trump. donald trump's son, eric, usually plays good trump to donald trump's bad trump. today was a case, though, of bad trump/bad trump. and we will have the latest on the killing in baton rouge, louisiana, of the killing by police. cry-proof, stay-proof look? neutrogena® makeup remover does. it erases 99% of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. need any more proof than that? neutrogena.
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breaking news tonight from chris hayes show and chris hayes' interview with bernie sanders. >> i am also on record and will do everything that i can, chris -- and i'm a pretty hard worker at these things -- to make sure that donald trump does not become president of the united states of america. because that will be an
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unmitigated disaster, not only for our country, but for the world. so i'm going to do that. i think at the end of the day, there is going to be a coming together and we're going to go forward together and not only defeat trump, but defeat him badly. >> so that's key. you're not denying reports there are talks about a possible endorsement? >> that's correct. >> up next, hillary clinton explores the ruins of the trump taj mahal in atlantic city.
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donald trump the casino operator sounded an awful lot like donald trump the presidential candidate. >> we're going to make this hotel and casino and resort the most successful in the world, by
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far. and i look forward to it. we love you. you're our family. >> and is a year later, just a year later, donald trump files for bankruptcy on that casino. that's right. it only took him a year to run it into the ground and that's a story hillary clinton wants american voters to hear. that's why she went to atlantic city today and talked about the casino that donald trump promised to make the most successful in the world and then ran it into bankruptcy a year later. >> donald trump says he's qualified to be president because of his business record. here is an important thing about how donald trump operates. he doesn't default and go bankrupt as a last resort. he does it over and over again on purpose. even though he knows he will leave others empty handed while he keeps the plane, the helicopter, the penthouse.
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>> one of the people that donald trump left empty handed was invited to join hillary clinton at the microphone today. martin rosenberg says donald trump refused to pay him for work done installing glass panels at the trump taj mahal. >> i am here today to help ensure this sort of manipulation of people by trump will not continue on a national stage. >> hillary clinton did say that there is one thing that donald trump says that everyone should believe. >> and remember, remember what he promised. i'm going to do for the country what i did for my business. well, we should believe him and make sure he never has the chance to bankrupt america the way he bankrupted his businesses.
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>> joining us now, david k. johnson, pulitzer prize journalist who has been reporting on the trump empire for years, now a columnist with "the daily beast." david, the story of donald trump in atlantic city is the one that hillary clinton really wants to drill home to people. i have to say, i learned something today. i didn't realize that he managed to bankrupt casinos that fast. >> yes. donald overpaid for the taj. he didn't pay hundreds of contractors. i was covering atlantic city at the time for "the philadelphia inquirer." a number of these businesses folded or were in dire straits and had to get rid of their workers. he mismanaged the business all it is way through. donald came to atlantic city ask saw essentially a gold mine. he took all the gold that he could and then he left the tailings for everybody else. there are other operators who are still there who are successfully running casinos because they know how to actually run a business that's
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sustainable. >> let's listen to more about what hillary clinton said about what this shows about the way donald trump would work at president. >> this seems to be his one move. he makes over the top promises and says if people trust him, put their faith in him, he'll deliver for them. he'll make them wildly successful. then everything falls apart, people get hurt, and donald gets paid. i want you to understand what he did here in atlantic city is exactly what he will do if he wins this november. step one, give a huge tax cut to millionaires like himself. step two, add trillions to our national debt. step three, he suggested we could just default on our national debt like he defaulted on his business debt.
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it is the same scam over and over again. >> david, i'm not sure if people understand how he can repeatedly do this kind of bankruptcy without apparently affecting his personal finances in a negative way. >> well, because donald is so litigious, he's had about 3,500 lawsuits filed against him that people who foolishly bought his stocks and loaned him money, bankers, realized that it was better to make a deal with him than be caught up in more litigation. he was able to borrow money for his casino business which was used to pay off personal debts of him. by the way, there weren't four bankruptcies, there were six. two of them occurred after donald was effectively paid to go away that they were cleaning up the mess that he had left. so keep in mind that it was his business that went through six bankruptcies, four of them while he was in control, two of them after he had left. >> and, david web offered in his
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rambling talk tonight no defense whatever against any of the charges that hillary clinton made today in atlantic city. >> well, that's not surprising because donald does not think in policy terms. donald's approach to everything is to bring money to him and there's no sophisticated business analysis by donald. other people were running casinos in ways that i found incredibly impressive in terms of their understanding of customers with, how to coax more money out of them without driving them away. donald has no understanding of anything like that. and many of the casino executives used to tell me these stories about how he didn't know anything. he didn't even understand how the games worked. but when he lured the biggest gambler in the world to his casino, gambling at the rate of $14 million an hour, donald was so terrified that he would lose money, he paid someone to watch the game. which was absurd. by the way, he did lose money
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abuse the guy didn't pay off his markers, that's his debt, and was murdered. >> wow. david cay johnson's new book is called "the making of donald trump." david, thank you very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, today was eric trump's turn to attack a reporter trying to do his job and eric trump did his father proud with a profanity laced tirade to "the washington post."
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my boy win love you. come up, eric, come up. i'll introduce eric trump. eric trump did an unbelievable job. he's doing an unbelievable job. >> eric trump then spoke for a full 36 seconds tonight on the stage in cincinnati, just enough time to tell us how much he loves his dad, a little polite, soft spoken turn at the microphone for eric truthful. but he sounded a lot more like his father's son when he called "the washington post" today and said this about david fahrenthold, who has been reporting on on donald trump's charitable giving. eric trump began his angry outburst on the phone by invoking the name of jesus christ in something other than religious reverence saying, why is this guy trying to f'ing kill us? that guy, david fahrenthold joins us now. david, tell us what led to that phone call today. >> well, i spent several weeks
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trying to figure out when donald trump, before this big million dollar gift to veterans in may, when he had last given any of his money to charity. eric called a bunch of charities, trying to find evidence. eric trump runs a foundation, the eric trump foundation. i was trying to figure out if donald trump gave money to anyone web gave it to eric trump's foundation. so i've been pressing them for details and, in fact, found just the opposite. the eric trump foundation paid $88,000 to his dad's golf course on over the last year. it was that coverage that led eric trump to called me today. >> what is the money that goes into the eric trump foundation? is that eric trump's money? does he take contributions to his foundation from other people? >> the eric trump foundation is basically funded by golf tournaments held at golf courses and the proceeds go almost all to st. jude, the children's research hospital in memphis.
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>> so almost all to st. jude's, but some of it gets paid out to some donald trump enterprises. >> that's right. if you look at the tax filings for 2014, they have to declare their tax filings when they've spent money and given it to a property owned by eric trump. we paid $88,000, a fee to use donald trump's course in virginia. eric trump took issue with that saying the description was not accurate and we were wrong to report it so he was calling to complain about that. >> so you're searching for any charitable giving that donald trump has actually done, and the eric trump foundation was just one spot to look. what have you found in your global search for donald trump charitable giving anywhere? >> called 209 charities now and these are charities that have some tie to donald trump. he's praised them. he's talked about them in his
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books, he's hosted their gallas. you found one do you donation between 2008 and this may, one donation out of trump's own pocket for less than $10,000. and i'm not entirely sure it's real. it might be a bookkeeping error. >> david fahrenthold, might be a bookkeeping error. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, in baton rouge, community leaders and others making emotional statements about the death of alton sterling in a shooting by police. it was followed by a quick response by the governor and the justice department announcing the justice department is taking over that investigation.
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two senators felt how hot it he was today and tossed it away. senator bob corker and joni ernst both came to their senses and said they would like their name withdrawn from consideration for donald trump's running mate, which was unbelievable good news for the always available newt gingrich who campaigned with donald trump today. and donald trump said today newt gingrich would be involved in his administration somehow. chris christie is thrilled that the senator dropped out. chris christie knows he could never survive the senator confirmation process for attorney general, so vp is chris christie's only hope for getting to hang around with president trump. here is how it looks on the campaign trail today. >> boardwalk takedown hillary clinton delivering a scathing review of donald trump's business practices. >> we're standing in front of the old trump plaza. donald trump once predicted it will be the biggest hit yet. >> he's had a lifetime of creating jobs. >> now it's abandon. >> a lifetime of building
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buildings. >> what in the world happened here? >> after it left, we went down the tubes, but that can happen. >> she, of course, trying very hard to undermine his credentials on the economy this afternoon. not one, but two people being vetted as possible vice presidents both taking themselves out of consideration. >> who does that leave? >> i'm not saying this, too, but if it's newt, nobody is going to be beating him in the face, that's for sure. >> hillary clinton said there was nothing more classified on my e-mails. >> that's what she's up against. that's the history. >> i heard it, you heard it, we all heard it. >> after the fbi recommendation yesterday, how did you feel about it? >> kind of relieved. i just think it's overblown. >> these are all lies, lies, we say lies, lies, lies. >> i don't know that my vote would be for trump, but it takes hillary off the table. >> tweet with the star. could have been a sheriff's star, could have been a regular star. they're racially profiling.
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>> that's the wrong thing to say. that's definitely one of those things -- again, off to make sure you're saying it the right way.
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you're looking at a live shot at the scene of that store in baton rouge, louisiana, where alton sterling was killed by police.. hillary clinton released a statement tonight on this case, which the justice department is now investigating. hillary clinton said, too many african-american families mourn the loss of a loved one from a police-involved incident. something is profoundly wrong when so many americans have reason to believe that our country doesn't consider them as precious as others because of the color of their skin. i am glad the department of justice has agreed to a full and thorough review of this shooting. all over america, there are police officers demonstrating how to protect the public without resort to go unnecessary force. we need to learn from and build on those examples. we will have the latest on the
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investigation after a break.
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this is a live shot at the scene at the store in baton rouge, louisiana, where alton sterling was shot by police. that's the situation there tonight. the department of justice will lead the investigation into that shooting. police have not released dash cam video or police body cam video of the incident. but two cell phone videos have become public. these videos show the shooting from two different angles. the first was posted yesterday on facebook. it shows two police officers tackling alton sterling and wrestling to the ground early yesterday morning outside of that store. then an officer can be heard shouting he's got a gun. then one of the officers unholesters his weapons and we hear shots fired on that video.
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police say the incident occurred after the two officers responded to a 911 caller who reported someone matching alton sterling's description threatening someone with a gun. today, a second cell phone video recorded by the convenience store owner shows another angle with a much closer look at what happened. now, i must warn you that this video we're about to show you is much more distrusting than the one you just saw. if you watch this video, if you choose to watch it, you will see a man being shot and killed. this is deeply disturbing to watch. it is also crucial and absolutely necessary evidence in understanding what happened there. you can proceed with this story without watching this, but i just wanted to let you know that this video, which is crucial evidence, is a very difficult thing to watch. >> come on. >> gun!
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>> get on the ground. >> well, apparently we edited the video, so it's different from what i saw before, which includes more movement and more shots fired while alton sterling is lying flat on his back and police officers seem to be -- and removed from his body at that point. the coroner's initial report says alton sterling suffered multiple gunshot wounds to the on chest and the back. he died at the scenes. these up-close stills shows an officer taking something out of alton sterling's right pocket out of the shooting. the store owner says it was a gun. police have not confirmed that. the mother of alton sterling's 15-year-old son read an emotional statement this morning. >> the individuals involved in his murder took away a man with
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children who depended upon their daddy on a daily basis. my son is not the youngest. he is the oldest of his siblings. he is 15 years old. he has to watch this and this was put all over the outlets. and everything that was possible to be shown. as a mother, i have now been forced to raise a son who is going to remember what happened to his father that i can't take away from him. he is at an age of understanding. i hurt more for him and his loss as a parent, one of the greatest
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and know there is nothing you can do about it. what i saw last night from the real citizens of baton rouge will forever warm my heart. we offer a complete community of individuals who will carry this burden and also say it together to ensure that this event will not go unjustice. >> that's right. >> it will not go unnoticed. especially for the future. >> both of the officers involved in the shooting are on administrative leave pending
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investigation. the store owner recorded another video you just saw. >> was he acting aggressive? >> he just wanted to know what was going on and why are they -- you know, why are they coming arresting him. he was asking them what did i do wrong. what's going on, what did i do wrong? why are you messing with me? >> you said that you saw the officers remove a weapon from him. >> out of his pocket after they shot him. >> out of his pocket. >> out of his pocket, yes. >> at any point, did you see mr. sterling reach for that gun or threaten the officers with that gun? >> no. no. he -- there were on top of him. i don't think there's any way that he would have reached for it. >> we'll have more on this case after a break. the footage that i observed oat formula... ...goes on feather light. absorbs in seconds... ...keeps skin healthy looking and soft. aveeno® naturally beautiful results.
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of the video that was made available, i have very serious concerns. the video is disturbing, to say the least. there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that this incident is going to be investigated impartially, professionally and thoroughly by the united states department of justice civil rights division. >> joining us now, marq claxton, director of the law enforcement alliance and a criminal justice reporter at the baton rouge advocate. mya, it was a very fast moving day in baton rouge today.
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we saw that clip with the news conference of loved ones of mr. sterling along with community leaders. very quickly after that, suddenly the governor is out there, suddenly the justice department investigation. tell us how it all unfolded today. >> i'm sorry. i couldn't hear your question. >> mya, the situation unfolded very quickly today with the -- >> yeah. >> the news conferences that kept following each other. did you know that these things were going to happen in this sequence, that the governor was going to come out and speak, that the justice department was going to make this announcement? >> no, absolutely not. i think it was a surprise. there was a lot of suspense since last night. so the fact that so quickly the u.s. department of justice was brought in came as somewhat of a surprise, although it seemed like there was a coordinated effort on the part of local law enforcement.
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everybody agreed that that was the best thing to do. >> mark, the network standard edited the second video we showed, which is a very disturbing video. so it doesn't show the gunshots and also it doesn't show what i think at this stage is one of the most important pieces of evidence in the case. and that is the way the police officers found the gun in mr. sterling's pocket. and i heard that they found a gun, what i wanted to know was how long after they shot did they find the gun. and i think you know why i'd want to know that because that goes to the question of could the gun be planted, that sort of thing. but what the video shows very clearly, without the video being cut or edited this any way, what it shows very clearly is immediately after the shots were fired, immediately after the shooting started, one of the officers stepped forward, reached right into that pocket and without any cut in the video pulled out what appears to be a gun. >> yeah, absolutely.
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i've seen the video that you're referencing in its entirety. it's a longer version and it's extremely graphic and painful and difficult to watch. and i concur with you, that the weapon was found immediately after the discharge of the police with their firearm. and i think in large part much of what the frustration ask pain and anguish and anger that is being expressed is based on historical precedence and what jessie williams talked about, the inability of police to de-escalate this and not kill black people during these interactions themselves. very disturbing and troubling. people are reacting not ohm for mr. sterling, but what they're seeing is walter scott and tamir rice and eric garner, etcetera, and reacting with little faith and confidence and policing. ask it's a sad state of affairs
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that we find ourselves in right now. >> mya, does the police department -- we lost our connection to mya at the scene there. marq, based on what we know about it, what's your analysis of the tactics that we are aware of at this stage that the police used? they had a call about a suspect with a gun and they chose to physically move in on him and in effect kind of tackle him app as opposed to standing off at some distance possibly with their weapons drawn and giving him orders from a distance. >> what would be very helpful in analyzing the tactics would be the 40 seconds or minute prior to the actual physical contact. and i think people need to be aware that the second video that you referenced and played part of actually shows the moment of initial contact by the police officer. and there lies many of the problems that occur, not only that have occurred and not only
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in this shooting, that deal with mr. sterling, but other situations involved in the discharge of firearms by police, and that is you have to question whether or not you have officer created jeopardy in some of these circumstances. and by that, i mean where the officers, due to possibly using bad tactics or whatever preconceived notions they might have actually create the environment for them to be required to use deadly physical force. and that speaks directly to the issue of the necessity for police officers across the nation to focus more on de-escalation, to focus more on service, to focus more on help as opposed to what we have now in the current climate across the nation and that is a more militarized, more warrior mind-set and police agencies. so bad tactics can cost lives and good tactics oftentimes will save lives and that includes police officers. >> marq claxton, appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. >> i also want the thank mya who
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we lost. we had a connection with her in baton rouge. that is "the last word." disney's "frozen? >> 43 americans in the first look starts right now. >> good morning, everybody, thanks for joining us today. breaking news overnight, another fatal officer involved shooting. this one happened last night near minneapolis. authorities say police were conducting a traffic stop when an officer fired one shot at the man driving the

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