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of these killings result in no explanation, no consequences for the officer, no matter what the circumstance is, when that is your every day, there has to be a psychological impact. it even effects reporters who cover these cases death after death after death, i know it's effected me. and that does it for us tonight, rachel will be back on monday. and i will see you in the morning as we continue this conversation on my show a.m. joy. now, it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnel, good evening lawrence. >> thanks, i'll be watching in the morning. >> thank you. this is the continuing coverage of the deadly attack in dallas 24 hours ago when what appears to have been a loan gunman shot and killed five police officers and wounded seven police officers, two civilians were also injured. here is what we know at this hour, the shooter is dead after hours of attempting to negotiate with the shooter who police cornered, police decided it was too dangerous to send officers up against him so they used a
robot to detonate a bomb which killed the shooter. police identified him today as 25 year micah. officials stress that the investigation into other possible suspects who may have assisted the shooter, remains on on going. i believe that i speak for every single american when i say that we are horrified. >> i have never been proud of a police officer and being a part of this great noble profession. >> this is a terrible blow to the city of dallas, it's the terrible blow to the united states. >> there's no possible justification for these kind of attacks. >> we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters, if not we'll parish as fools. >> we are better than this. >> we must stand in solidarity with law enforcement. >> police across america feels this loss to their core. >> seeing the courage, the professionalism, the grit to stay on scene in an area,
looking for suspects, knowing that we are vulnerable. >> today is a wrenching reminder of the sacrifices that they make for us. >> there will be a temptation to let our anger harden our divisions. let's defy those predictions. >> none of us can afford to be indifferent for each other, not now, not ever. >> in a typical year in dallas, no police officers are killed in the line of duty, not one. and now after one horrible night, one man with a gun killed more police officers in dallas than were killed in any other city in the country last year. brent thompson loved his job and fell in love on his job. he got married two weeks ago to a fellow officer in the police officer of the dallas area rapid transit. thompson was assigned to be one of the peace keepers during the protest march last night in dallas because, according to his
boss, dart police chief james spiller, they needed "someone with a personal touch and not a heavy handed approach and brent was really good at that" he was a patrol officer, a great officer. this is very heartbreaking for us. we will definitely miss him. brent thompson was the first person killed in the line of duty in the 27-year history of the dallas area rapid transit police force. brent thompson was a 1990 graduate or corsicana high school about 70 miles south of dallas. brent thompson was 43 years old. patrick zaparripa, his mother said always have the dream to grow up to be a police officer. patrick never let go of that dream. before joining the dallas police department, he served in the navy and did three tours of duty in iraq. he won several military medals.
he was a sports fan devoted to his beloved texas rangers and dallas cowboys. today a friend said "he's just a guy who wants to serve and protect during the day and watch a ball game with his family at night." patrick zamarripa was married with one child, two-year-old daughter. patrick zamarripa was 32 years old. michael krol was another one who was living his childhood dream working as a police officer. he moved from michigan to join the dallas police force because that was the team he wanted to be on, department with good reputation. his uncle, told our nbc affiliate in detroit that michael krol loved his work. "he was all in. he was all in" that's what his uncle said. his brother-in-law told the washington post "he was a big
guy and had a big heart and he was a really caring person. he wanted to help people. it doesn't seem real. his mom has had a difficult time" when his mother was reached by the washington post by phone, she couldn't bring herself to talk about what happened to her son, after a few words she said, can we end this call. it's just a very difficult time. michael krol was 40 years old. lauren began his law enforcement career in california where he grew up before moving to dallas, at 6 foot 5, 300 pounds they discovered he use to be a semifo semifootball player. he was one of the happy ones with a smile on his face. his wife is a detective in the dallas police department. they have two children, a 10-year-old girl and an 8-year-old boy.
lorren loved visiting his children's school in uniform to talk to their classes. and the kids loved seeing him. the school invited him back e l several times. imagine the pride of that little boy and little girl looking up at their dad in uniform. his wife, detective katrina ahrens told their children this morning that their father died doing what he was suppose to do, trying to help people. the children's grandmother told the dallas morning news, they don't get it. dallas police department senior corporal, lorren ahrens was 48-year-old. a cop's cop, that is the ultimate compliment in police work, sergeant michael smith received the cop's cop award from the dallas police foundation. he graduated from lamar university in 1989 and was an
army ranger before joining the dallas pd 25 years ago. a friend told the washington post, he was one of the good guys, the one you would hope your kids would go to if they ran into trouble. michael smith's wife is a teacher. they have two daughters, 10 and 14. a neighbor said, he was a very sweet family man, always outside playing softball with his girls. a family friend said, he loved his job and the guys on the force and he loved his wife and kids. sergeant michael smith was 55 years old. seven other police officers were wounded, three of their names have not been released. the four officers who we can confirm were injured, officer misty mcbride, 32 years old. officer jesus retana, 39. officer omar cannon, 44 years
old. and officer gretchen rocha who has been released from the hospital. two civilians were shot last night. shetamia taylor was shot when she was shielding her children from the gunfire. her sister will join us later in the program to tell us how she's doing. joining us now, outside of bailor hospital in dallas is nbc news reporter tammy lightener, what can you tell us about the injured? >> reporter: there are still victims here recovering here tonight and also there are a lot of police officers that have come to pay their respect throughout the entire day, police officers from the entire state of texas have come to visit their fellow wounded officers, some of them were here over night. it was a very emotional moment at one point when they all lined up out side of the e.r. bay and two of their officers who had been killed came through and
they saw saluted them to pay their respects. we've also learned a little bit about the three officers that were with the dallas area rapid transit or d.a.r.t. that's omar cannon, misty mcbride, we've just learned that jesus has been released from the hospital. the other two are here but are expected to make a full recovery. just a short while ago we talked to e.r. doctor and nurse who here and treated everybody. they told us the doctor described the scene as just chaos. he said they had very little warning what was going to happen. and they didn't know how many more patients they were going to get. the nurse, we talked to her, she's married to a police officer and she described the moment for me when she was treating these patients and she realized they were all police officers. she said it was just simply, heartbreaking. back to you. >> tammy, what do we know about the extent of the injuries of the people who are still there and are -- are any of them life threatening at this point?
>> reporter: very little information is coming out about the injured. they're actually making a point of telling us that they're not going to tell us how severe the injuries are as a matter of respect. we spoke with the hospital spokesperson just a short while ago and possibly tomorrow they'll reveal a little bit more about their conditions. >> nbc tammy, thank you very much for joining us from the hospital. joining us now, a father and son, earnst walker the third and earnst walker the fourth, they were both just a few feet away from one of the officers who was shot last night. earnst, iii, let's start with you. tell us what you saw, where you were and what you saw. >> well, we had just completed a peaceful protest in which we had all races, all religious background. and we were dispursing. the last thing the organizer said, hey, link up with somebody
and go away safely. we started walking down main street and i believe the shooters knew exactly where the parade was going to end and the next thing you know, we heard pow pow pow pow, boom boom boom, and it sounded like war zone. i was in the military and it sounded like this is some high powered weapons. i immediately saw -- and i think that was officer thompson, i believe he was shot by a sniper, i'm just now connecting his name. i saw him drop immediately in front of me. i was trying to film it and they were pushing us back. and when he fell to the ground, five officers immediately ran and threw their bodies on top of him and shielded him. when they rolled him over, his body seemed lifeless to me. i was still recording at that time. then my second thought, where was my son? i lost my son. i'm looking for him and it was just chaos at that time. >> and let's hear from you, son.
young earnst, what was your experience with this? >> i was walking my dog like -- i was following the crowd. we were all doing -- having great rally. the rally was peaceful. and everyone was in unity. the officers were working in tandem with rally supporters. and my dog just -- right before we got to the end, he stopped about two streets over, he stopped and would not move. and no matter how hard i tried to push or pull him, he wouldn't move. and then once i convinced him to get up and walk towards my dad and go be with him at the front, all i heard was just shots going off like fire crackers over and over and boom boom boom boom, and my immediate thought was, oh my gosh, like i thought my dad just been killed. when you hear shots you don't know where they're coming from, you don't know what's happening, you think the people at the front are the ones are immediately in danger. so all i could do was turn
around and run for my life and hope and pray that my dad was -- my dad was still alive and once i started hearing about what was going on, the officers being shot, i mean, there's no reason for this. there was no reason for anybody to die. this was suppose to be a peaceful thing to bring us all closer, not divide us. >> how long did it take for you two to find each other? >> it took us about an hour. i got a cell phone call and i was like thank god, it was him and i answered immediately. i was at that point -- i was point down in a parking lot behind a vehicle right across from the parking garage in which, i believe, one of the snipers were located. you know, i just want to say, i'm sorry to all of these officers. if black lives really matter, i want to make a challenge to black live matters to put the names of these officers on your
shirt along with the black men that have been slained, because they lost their lives protecting black men. they were out there with no shields, they had no uniform, they had no protection, they had no riot gear, and that -- the shooter waited until they had their guard down right when this thing was over and he's a cowardest. and black men didn't shoot these people, it was an american soldier who was suffering from something, you've got to take responsibility for that. he was in afghanistan, so we have to say that american soldier was domestic terrorism that shot this man. >> and earnst, i want you to go back to what you were just saying about you saw these officers protecting black people since so many of the demonstrators were black people. talk about the way the officers reacted to the shooting, as soon as they heard the shots, what did you see officers doing?
>> well, actually i believe one officer saved my life because when the shots rang out, their first respond was telling people get down, get out the way, take cover. they were turning their backs towards the gunfire trying to make sure that citizens were okay. because that's what they're here for to protect or serve. all they were trying to do, hey, let's protect people. then they start protecting one another. you saw dozens and dozens mobilize and they started focusing on the college and the parking garage. and they were still trying to make sure that people were safe and people were down. >> let me talk to young earnst for a second, did you have any encounters directly with police officers during this, any communication with police officers? >> i saw the entire city just sprung into action. every police car that they could find just was racing down the
streets to get to the center where all this was going on. and hearing stories from some people, police officers pushed them out of the way of bullets there were some officers that blanketed some of the protesters to keep them out of harm's way. so we were all -- this is just an all-terrible tragic event and it was a shock to everybody that this happened. >> my son and i came up with a saying, back the blue, but still remember the two because the reason for this protest was about those two young men who lost their lives senselessly and now dallas has another stain on its record. you know, we got through the jfk thing, it set us back. john hingly, jr. was from university park when he shot ronald reagan, and now this. dallas was moving towards a first class city and now i believe that this has set us back quite a bit. >> earnst just before you go i want to ask you believe it was officer thompson who you saw get
shot, how long did it take to get an ambulance to him and to get him out of there after he was shot? >> they couldn't do it. i seen them -- once they shielded him, they rolled him over and his arms were straight over his head and he was lifeless. i mean, he just dropped with his arms spread out. no ambulance could come in, there was an active shooter, active shooters. so you could not risk lives of emts to come in there to pull him out and that's the sad part about it, he had those guys pinned down. one of those officers could have lived if they could have gotten medical attention a lot sooner. >> i want to thank you both for joining us tonight. i'm very sorry for what you endured last night and what you had to witness. earnst walker the third, earnst walker, iv, really appreciate you both joining us tonight. thank you very much. >> thank you. and all lives matter, all lives. >> thank you. coming up next, one of the
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demonstration with her four teenage sons when the shooting started she threw herself on top of her 15-year-old son to protect him from the bullets. she was shot once as she protected her son. she's in the hospital tonight recovering from the gunshot wound, and so shatamia taylor has given life to her son for a second time. joining us now is her sister, theresa williams. theresa, can you tell us how your sister is doing tonight. >> she's doing well. she's still in a lot of pain, she's resting comfortably. >> and what about her sons? where are they -- are they with her at the hospital tonight? >> no, they're at home. they're exhausted. they were up here earlier with her this afternoon and they were all tired. they want today go home and rest. >> and what happened last night, she was protecting one of her sons and then she was shot and
how was she taken to the hospital and did all of her sons go to the hospital with her last night. when the shots began -- it was a panic, so when the shots began, she had eyes on two of them, her youngest and oldest. got a little bit behind her, she saw the oldest grab the youngest and run into the garage, that was nearby the location where they were. she lost sight of one of the middle aged ones, the 14-year-old and the 15-year-old was right at her side yelling out for her to see if she was okay. but she was a little behind him. and at that time they heard the first bullet when they saul scattered and the second bullet, she pushed him down on the ground in between two cars and the curb side. by the third and fourth bullet
when it started to become a lot of gunfire, she pushed him down and jumped on top of him because the bullets were going so fast and they were flying everywhere, she couldn't keep up with this three. she shielded him by jumps on top of them and some where in the mist she caught a bullet in the back of her leg. my nephew that's 14-year-old we lost site. we had to post on social media, description of him so that we could have people start looking for him immediately to help us find him because we didn't know where he was. later on, maybe -- go ahead. >> yo go ahead, theresa, go ahead. >> maybe i want to say, 15, 20 minutes in, the oldest called us and let us know what his location was and told us he was in the building with the youngest. they were on lock down. we couldn't get them. it took four or five hours before we could even get to them after everything began because they were on lock down because
they were the closest to the location and we couldn't get to them for four or five hours. and we eventually found the middle-aged one who was taken into someone's apartment where he used someone's cell phone and at that time he snap chat to one of my nieces to let her know the address and location where he was. and andrew, the 15-year-old, they were put into a police squad, the closest police squad to him. she wasn't taken by ambulance to the hospital. she was thrown into the back of a police squad that was the closest thing to them to get her to baylor hospital. >> when did you find out about this? >> i had just walked in from work, i want to say 6:30 that evening, yesterday evening and my mom immediately called me and said that shatamia had just been shot. it took me probably less than 30 minutes to get to baylor. as they brought her into the
hospital, my older sister and i showed up at the hospital moments after they brought her into the emergency room. >> were you able to see her and speak to her before she went into the emergency room? >> oh, yes. we walked right into the hospital and straight to where she was and we were in the room with her before they even splinted up her leg or washed the blood off of her. we were there right as it all was happening. >> what did she say to you when she saw you? >> it wasn't what she said to us, why did you go to the rally? i mean, we know everybody wanted to go to the purpose of the meaning of the rally and i understood that, but it also is a meaning of, in our minds, it's no good really can come from the events of a cop killing -- we're from minnesota originally. and we knew the events going on in minneapolis, we knew there
couldn't any good being at a rally where they say a cop killed a young african-american kid. my thoughts were to fuss, why were you down there with my nephews at this rally and you know it could possibly go wrong at some point. >> what was her answer. >> all she could say to us was thank you jesus, thank you jesus. and i'm just sorry for the cops that lost their lives because at that time we were watching the news to see -- we want today know the events going on as we were standing there. and all she could keep saying was thank you jesus and i'm sorry for the cops that lost their lives. i'm sorry -- i'm happy it wasn't my -- one of my kids. i'm happy it was my leg and not my head. those were her concerns. she wasn't concerned that she was injured as bad as she was injured. she was injured pretty bad. >> theresa williams thank you very much for joining us tonight. very glad that your sister has survived this. and her heroism of her son is
just an amazing story to hear. i'm so glad that all of your nephews are still with you. thank you very much again for joining us. >> thank you. up next, what investigators are learning about the shooter. and we are continuing to monitor demonstrations around the country tonight. this is the scene in baton rouge, louisiana. we'll be right back.
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continue to monitor demonstrations. this is the scene live in atlanta at this hour. they're working to uncover more details about the dallas shooter, nbc jacob has the latest. >> this is the neighborhood where the gunman grew up 20 minutes outside of downtown dallas in mesquite, texas and somebody we now know had inside of his home bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles ammunition and journal where he kept a record of his tactical practices preparing, possibly, for this attack. >> reporter: they spent nearly
three hours inside the home emerging with large bags of evidence. inside bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition and journal of combat tactics. a neighbor telling us micah johnson didn't hide. >> how did you know he had a lot of guns. >> he told us. i know he was part of army or sergeant or something. i know he's military or something. >> the gunman worked as an aid for mentally changed kids and adults. he and his mother lived together in this two story home for many years, neighbors say, all just 20 minutes from the ambush. military records confirm he was army reservist for six years. recipient to various military medals and ribbons. neighbor say he would see johnson practicing drills on obstacle courses he built in his backyard armed with fire arms wearing his army uniform. this man didn't want to answer
questions. >> what was your reaction when you found out what happened? >> excuse me, sir. >> tonight, johnson's aunt telling nbc news she believes resent officer involved shooting drove him to go on this rampage. outside of the home where the gunman lives we have a patrol vehicle parked to make sure that nobody knocks on the door because the family has grown tired of that, as you might imagine. and while the texas governor and the mayor of dallas and others have said that they believe an investigators believe that johnson was a loan gunman, they want to be confident that there were any coconspirators or anybody who possibly knew about the attack and that part of the investigation is on going. >> nbc jacob, thank you, we'll be right back. ♪
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law enforcement officers five dallas police officers and injured seven others last night used an sks rifle and handgun to carry out his deadly attack. the shooter was wearing body armer as he exchanged fire. some of the battle was captured on cell phone video. [ shots fired ] [ sirens ] [ shots fired ] shots fired ] [ shots fired ]
professor of law and police studies at john j. college and former police officer with the nypd. also joining us mark, the director of black law enforcement alliance and retired nypd detective and joining us msnbc national reporter. mark you were with me last night as this story broke and guided us through so much of what we were seeing and i've been curious today as you've had some time to sleep on what we both experienced together here live as it was happening, your reaction to those videos now where we're hearing all of those shot gs and we now know what the weapon ri was that was involved. what type of tactical do you think the shooter had last night. he had all the tactical advantages initially and he had the element of surprise if you will. he had obvious had these proud
professional police officers in essence fully exposed, not expecting this to occur. it was quite traumatic. i'll tell you the truth, at several points once we had verification of some of the issues and some of the information coming out of dallas, it was difficult for me to watch and even maintain and offer some additional advice because, you know, quite frankly i had friends at dallas police department, i was busy as we were going through everything trying to contact them to validate whether they were all right or not. it's a very difficult time. it's a very painful time. it was a police officer's nightmare and i'm sure eugene can tell you the same thing. it was absolutely devastating police officer's nightmare and it remains to be traumatic event. >> it's such an amazing thing to watch, statistic cli as we know, most police officers never face
gunfire in the course of 30-year career, you're never exposed to it and yet it's always possible, and then last night, that's not just exposure to gunshot or few gunshots this is a barrage and they don't know where it's coming from and they're seeing fellow officers fall. >> they brought a war to the streets of america. you want the cops to not be ready for war. they mostly don't have to be ready for war, the same thing they do think a lot of worse case scenario stuff, and i'm sure mark can tell you, a lot of times when cops get themselves into situations it takes a lot for them to process. even ordinary guns battle, they wrecken that the cops are often caught off guard altogether, no matter how much you prepare for this and expect when -- gun on you it comes as a shock when somebody like this basically brings war like footing into the
city of downtown hard for the police to be ready for that. >> we had a shooter here with seemingly an unlimited capacity for rapid fire. >> that's right. you have to remember. . it's kind of obvious, guns are effective at the only thing they've been created to do, which is kill, even though we don't treat them as such, they're killing tools. when you look at what that shooter was able to do, one gunman able to conflict that kind, we've seen it time again, orlando, the idea of close quarters with that kind of weaponry, when you imagine when he's on the second floor firing down, the cards we're talking about and the damage that those bullets do, again, these are actually killing machines, that's what they're created to do. i think the wonder is that there are so many of them out there and we've seen this time and
again, we're not shocked any more, because this is what they do and this is the expectation. >> we've seen that, in my ways now law enforcement is no longer a local activity, what i mean by that, mark, something like this happens and every police officer and every police department in this country wakes up this morning thinking about it. >> yeah. and your heart drops, you really completely relate and if you've had similar experiences, you understand that the emotional toll that it takes. and then also consider this, this is what separates police from many other professions, if you can imagine, what other profession can you -- is out there where you have an individual workplace for killed several people in the workplace. by the next day everyone is traumatized. the office would be shutdown, we
expect the demand of our professional police officers, you have to go in with your heavy heart and with all of the pain and anguish and perform the same job and perform it for long periods of time. it's an expectation of excellence that you expect for your police officers, professional police officers that's what separate oftentimes the policing profession from any other profession, they have to go in this morning and work extended hours and leave their families with feeling of vulnerability over the loss of their colleagues. >> the effects of police work have become nationally, too. 30 years ago the captain said me me, a police officer can do something in a second or a minute that sours a community for a generation. well, now a local police officer can do that and sour communities throughout the country instant youly. we're having a nationwide
reaction this week to what happened in baton rouge, what happened in minnesota. >> i do think at the end of the day, people are e norm -- e norm mousily reasonable. they find unforgivable. it's we talk a lot about the dramatic. they're a family across the country, but significant ways when a child goes missing where a senior citizen can't be located. death notification has been made. they reach out to partners all over is the country, young lady comes to college in new york, goes missing or is found dead, face to face notifications are the norm. we ask the smallest departments, two officer departments to go to the door and knock on that door and it's seemlessly. it's not about fugitive apprehension, it's about looking after people while this is
dramatic and heroic, the law enforcement community comes together on much less dramatic but significant issues that are really about protecting people and looking after people. >> talk about how the local community reaction to controversial police activity becomes a national reaction. >> i think one thing that is so interesting about this nationalizing of what i would describe as collective trauma, repeat exposure to extreme violence city to city doesn't change much, whether i'm somewhere in florida or missouri, california or nj nlk, the sentiment is always the same, there's a heavy burden on folks who are living under such conditions, seeing loved ones shot and killed by people in the community or by the police. but especially when it comes distinct sanctioned kind of violence that we've seen when police officers kill charge were
found guilty this is the large network of organizing has expanded the one part that we that deep hurt, everyone focuses on the anger we can see the anger, we can smell taste and feel the anger of hurt has so many different ways. when we talk to folks one on one whether it's an aftermath of some great act of violence or on a tuesday or wednesday they'll tell you that they're hurt. people are protesting all around the country right now because they're hurt for those families with lost loved ones. so many people complain when it's black on black crime in the community no one is out there people who say that aren't in the black community because there's hurt and pain and ang rish every single day. when we talk about about the big picture and see what's happening all across the country, many have said that they're surprised, you know, unfortunately what happened the other night here, but they're surprised it hasn't happened
there are so many young people in such deep anguish and so angry they don't probably have the tools to really express themselves. and that's how this whole feeling has kind of casts itself from city to city, state to state. >> thanks for joining us and mark claxton thank you for joining us again tonight. thank you for guiding us through our life coverage of this event last night, thank you, mark. >> thank you. >> and we will continue to monitor demonstrations going on across the country tonight. i'm asking you, i appreciate you. i appreciate you because at the end of the day what we have to do, what we have to do is do this the right way.
there has been a vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement. even yesterday i spoke about our need to be concerned as all americans about racial despairties in our criminal justice system. i also said yesterday that our police have an extraordinarily difficult job. we also know that when people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately it makes attacks like these more deadly and more tragic. and in the days ahead we're going to have to consider those realities as well. >> joining us now cristina greer political science director and author of black ethnics race immigration and the pursuit of the american dream. professor greer, i want to get reaction to the political response we've seen on this, beginning with president obama who had to go to the microphone
twice. about 28 hours ago, he went to the microphone to talk about what we had seen in baton rouge and minnesota and those tragedies and he spoke extemporaneously movingly and then he found himself going back to the microphone to talk about the lives lost of others. >> we have a few issues on the table right now, right? how many times can president obama come to address the american public to talk about the crisis of guns and what we're doing with guns, that's one. number two, there is a real issue in this country about being a black american and dealing with the police state. it's clear, it has been happening for many generations. we just now all have cameras and we can see it in real time. that has to be addressed. we're seeing people not in the black community slowly but surely realizing there has been reality. both and we now have the tragedy
in dallas, which serves as obviously a wake up call for the law enforcement community, its tragic, it's horrible, but we also have to remember the reason why people were gathered there in the first place, which is to assert their humanity and their americanist to actually say please validate us. we're actually living in a police state in our community. we have all of these con flating issues going on at the same time. in the midst of presidential campaign where obama in many ways is trying to step back, right, and let hillary clinton step back, but he still has to still lead until mid january, these are issues that no one expected him to solve. but, here and now, to be race and racism in ways that he really hasn't addressed in the past seven plus years. >> the campaigns basically suspended today issued a short
comments about hit will presumably have something more to say, i would expect, by next week. and this is a tragedy that's going to be with us for a while. we'll see a series of police funerals and be plenty of opportunity to comment on this. >> and i think that the voters should actually demand that hillary clinton and donald trump -- that hillary clinton and donald trump actually say something, because i think there's a level of respect that goes along with suspending a campaign during this particular type of tragedy, however, when you're president, you actually need to work through these things and juggle many things at once. so i think we need some clear and concise, not just feelings of sadness and, you know, we saw donald trump give one of his best speeches thus far. but what's the policy proposal, right? what is -- what's your idea with the nra and with training police
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chris hayes continues our live coverage. this hour peaceful protests against police violence are continuing across the country. large protests have been met for hours now but has remained peaceful. the mayor coming out at one point. baton rouge, louisiana, there have been some tense moments that protest near the police station there. dan shepherd joins us by phone, dan, what's going on there.