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castile. the shooting captured on video. it was in dallas just a short way from where we are but a shooter went on a rampage targeting law enforcement, killing five police officers, wounding another seven individuals, two civilians. tonight, we know at least two of the wounded officers has been released from the hospital. it's been an emotional day here in dallas as residents pay their respects. later in washington, there will be a vigil to honor the law enforcement officers. also, new details about the shooter and msnbc's gabe gutierrez is covering that. >> we learn more about the history. army reservist and spoke with a lawyer that said he represented micah johnson and said he was accused of sexual harassment, johnson was, back in 2014. back in april 2014 while he was
in afghanistan and prematurely sent home from afghanistan because of the allegations. but the military sources say that he was honorably discharged the following year a that he was never convicted with any criminal offense but in those documents from those allegations, his accuser told him or asked, she requested a protected order and also wanted him to get mental health. so new details about possibility that, you know, some of his history here with, while he was in the army, he served a tour of duty in afghanistan and right now, authorities are going through his digital trail. yesterday, they found ballistic vests as well as ammunition and a journal detailing combat tactics in the two story poem he shares with his mother. >> the complaintant.
that was -- >> she was a female soldier in afghanistan. >> that phrase was the thing that sort of blinked out to me, she said she wanted him to get help for mental issues. >> there wasn't details in those documents that the attorney read to us. we don't know anything further but we know again he was not disarm or discharged, anything like that. his attorney said he offered to the army but nothing ever came of that. he said it's possible he was discharged the following year because he wasn't sure but said when his service contract may have expired. >> we've gotten some information about what was found in the search. so we know there was a combat tactics journal. we know, but what do we know about the duration of time? >> that's what investigators look at right now.
they say they saw him in a military uniform doing what appeared to be tactical drills in his backyard. over the span of several months. the question right now investigators look at is what was the progression? did this somehow, was this something planning for a long time? and authorities haven't gotten into that so far. >> gabe gutierrez, pleasure. thank you very much. all right, reaction to this tragedy has been pouring in from across the country but especially in texas here. here's what governor greg abbott had to say yesterday evening. >> we, as a people, need to move forward and live our everyday lives knowing texas is going to be greater going forward, unaltered, unaffected by this act of cowardice. and we need to replicate this on an ongoing basis showing that we, as a state of every people,
of every color, of every background, that we unite behind the core principles that make this state of texas a truly exceptional state. >> reporter: joining us now, clay jenkins, head of the government in dallas county. judge, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> reporter: first, i want to start out and ask how you're doing. >> i'm doing well. i was not one of the people out there risking their lives in the street that night but they're doing well too and feeling that support from the community and that's helping a lot. >> i thought governor abbott's comments, there's a key part there. we've seen the ways in which mass atrocities and we've had a number of them can precipitate this panic fear and second guess their routines and move into bunkers and his call, i think, to not allow that to sort of take hold here in texas. >> absolutely. the shooter chose his course of
action. now we get to choose our response. we can't let his action of hate rip us further apart. we can use this as an opportunity to bring people closer together. so what i'm calling on our community to do is if you're white, try to imagine what it's like to teach your middle age children or sorry, your middle school age children a different set of rules that a white family or asian american family has to teach their children. if you're not a first responder family, think about that feeling of wondering if your loved one is coming home at night. if we look at this through other's eyes, this is an opportunity to use this to draw closer together and build a stronger dallas, stronger country and we've got to seize on that. we can't let this make us second guess one another and second guess the values that make us uniquely americans. >> how would you describe the political dynamics of dallas county? >> it's a progressive blue
county in a sea of red but a very diverse county. 45% hispanic. 25% african-american and 25% non-hispanic. it's very diverse and people get along well here statistically compared to other diverse urban areas but still racial division in this country as there is everywhere in america. >> where do you see this going for this area? i mean, one of the things i've been thinking about is you have a chief of police here who personally has suffered through unspeakable tragedy just in his own life and stewarded in a package of reforms for the nation, faced tremendous criticisms in the police union for doing so. where does this police department now go? >> i think that we have an opportunity as a police department and as first responders here in north texas to take this as an opportunity to truly engage in innovative
ways with the community. the community is very open and appreciative of the sacrifice made by the officers and so to seize on that and to look at ways to communicate more effectively with the community, to look at our training to see if we can train officers on deescalation as we look at new opportunities for conflict. if we can look at ways to reward officers for not arresting people but for diffusing a situation. there's a host of things we can do and now is the time for us to seize on those opportunities and do them because i know that north texas loves these officers right now and is backing them more than they have in a long time. we can feel it and it's appreciated. >> judge clay jenkins. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we want to show you the scene at the mass of healing in dallas led by bishop kevin farrell. let's listen in for a moment.
>> msnbc got an exclusive mayor with dallas mayor mike rawlings. let's listen to that. >> other police officers that have died, you know, having five at one time is heart wrenching but the connection with race makes it so challenging. that we've got to talk about race but we have to talk about it in a way that builds us up. that helps us get over this bridge and that's a tough one. >> joining us now is minister dominique, founder of next generation, one of the organizers of the dallas protests. reverend, good to have you here.
>> good to be here. glad to be here. >> how are you feeling? >> you know, we've been protesting for some time here in dallas and throughout the country. never in our wildest dreams, like i said before, that we would think that in our efforts to save lives would be this tragic to come towards us but we've been saying for years now that the issues are issues in our country and we've been asking people at the federal, state level and county and city to address these issues so that these issues don't peak up to it. many people have different ways they channel hurt. and we know them. and until our government addresses these issues, the sad thing is we'll continue to have these issues and we need to address it. >> did friday night change anything? >> it didn't change anything
because we've been saying it so long. we've been talking about these issues saying they will come if we don't address these issues. people are tired of officers being able to get paid vacations when they shoot us down on the ground. you can see that through the actions of protesters throughout the country. enough is enough. we're tired of these issues being not addressed. >> it's interesting you say that. because this march was organized here in dallas. it was a peaceful march, we should reiterate again. in the wake of two incidents. baton rouge and minnesota. there's been a lot of praise for dpd. >> i wouldn't say that. the police associations and many people were calling for his resignation for a couple of months. in october, we were told dallas police and city of dallas was at ten year low for crime. next few months later, dallas
needs a state trooper and fbi to come in to help the murder rate. so there are many things. officers are leaving. many things addressed from a community standpoint when it comes to community organizations to addressing police brutality were never brought to the table. girl scouts of america, boys and girls club. we're never brought to the table to be listened to about the issues addressing police brutality in this community. i would not say that. i would not say that i would stand up for our community in addressing these issues, but i will be definitely prayerful because of the situation he's going through right now in his department but at the same time, that we have been addressing this issue for some time now in dallas and dallas has a very fine way of covering up police shootings. >> i know there's been a number of incidents. after what happened on friday night, what do you say to someone, a police officer or
police officer family member who said, look, if police officers act aggressively at times or if they act jumpy or jump to conclusions, right? this is the background context that's informing that, right? this thought that around any corner in america, there could be someone with a gun trying to kill them. >> let me tell you this. regardless of the fact is that police and law enforcement volunteer to risk their lives in america. and any kind of job you have when you know what your responsibilities and the stakes of that risk of every job and i say to this. if that is not what you are willing to sacrifice, then this is the wrong career path for you because the one thing that you do is you're commissioning to protect and serve the people just like lieutenant dan patrick said when people were running back into the thing, they're a hypocrite because they wanted the police to protect them.
what are you trying to establish here in texas? are you trying to militarize our police or to protect and serve the people? they did what they were supposed to do and no one was hurt. >> you feel like they protected and served on friday night? >> they protected an serd serve however, what happened that night, no one, no one in our wildest dreams would have thought that happened. it's time for this community to stand together. it's time for this community to have real dialogue. and real actions from that dialogue. and bring the change that is needed and not bringing out the local pastors addressing the issues that don't be in the community when these issues are brought up. >> i want you to be clear on this. one more second. that sounds like you feel like the moment was swept under the rug, essentially. >> yes, as always. the people addressing the issue in dallas and all across the country, the activists are not listening to. they bring the people in to
represent the community that's not representing the community that has the problems. >> reverend, thank you very much for coming by today. appreciate it. president, founder of next generation. one of the organizers here in dallas. this week's tragic events unfolded as president obama had been scheduled for a trip to europe. he was there for a summit meeting about nato. strong reactions to the shootings and the role during this extremely painful time are next. u stay up. you listen. you laugh. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future, we're here for you. we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped families just like yours with wills and living trusts. so when you're ready, start with us. doing the right thing has never been easier. legalzoom. legal help is here.
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today, president obama continued his overseas trip to poland and spain, cut short by one day when returning to the united states tonight. and a wide ranging press conference in the polish capital, president obama spoke at length for shootings by police and in minnesota as well as the shootings police in dallas and said he was encouraged by america's reaction to the tragedy. >> we cannot let the actions of
a few define all of us. the demented individual who carried out the attacks in dallas, he's no more representative of african-americans than the shooter in charleston was representative of white americans. or the shooter in orlando or san bernardino were representative of muslim americans. they don't speak for us. that's not who we are. and one of the things that gives me hope this week is actually seeing how the overwhelming majority of americans have reacted with empathy and understanding. we've seen police continue to reach out to communities that they serve all across the country and show incredible
professionalism as they're protecting protesters. we've seen activists and grassroots groups who have expressed concern about police shootings, but are also adamant in their support of the dallas police department. and so as tough, as hard, as depressing as the loss of life was this week, we've got a foundation to build on. we just have to have confidence that we can build on those better angels of our nature. >> traveling with the president in warsaw today, ron? >> reporter: the president said it's a tough week. that's why he's going back to dallas early next week. he tried to put the events in perspective for the american people saying that the people who carried out those attacks,
for example, in dallas and in baton rouge and near minneapolis aren't representative of what america is all about. this issue of policing and race has been a tough one for president obama throughout his time in office because he fundamentally believes there are biases in the criminal justice system but at the same time, said that's not an indictment of america's police officers. law enforcement has been critical of him for not always having their back. generally, he said race relations are not as bad as people will say they might be. he talked about how back in the '60s, there were police who were beating up peaceful protesters and that's not happening now. there were riots back then. he generally tried to keep moving the country forward through this difficult week saying that we have to just keep things in perspective and try to keep moving forward. he also raised the issue of guns, something he's going to face pushback on. guns he believes do contribute to the problem, do add to the
carnage and said he'll continue talking about that issue. bottom line, the president heads back to the white house and then heads to dallas next week and said he'll be meeting at the white house next week trying to ease some of the tension between some of america's police departments and the communities that they serve. chris? >> ron allen traveling with the president in warsaw, poland. thank you, ron. now, texas congressman, good to have you here. >> thank you, chris. >> we are not in your district. your district is in dallas. >> yes, nearby. >> what are you hearing from your constituents? >> people are sad. people are really confused about why this happened. all the constituents i serve have a great relationship with the police. they like the police. there are incidents from time to time that bother them but they have a great relationship with the police and it was very disturbing for them to see this. i know that for me being a north
texan native. i live maybe 30 minutes west of here at most and i know this is the saddest day that i can ever remember in north texas history. >> the president's remarks struck me as interesting because there has been so many times over the course of this presidency when things feel like they're spinning out of control or feels panicky and the president is steadfast. he's sort of being modulated and calm. he has a sort of optimism. do you see that as part of his role, rhetorically? >> his role is to calm the nation. make sure everyone knowing we can work through this and if you look at some of the things he has done, particularly when it comes to trying to improve relations between the police and the community, he's done an outstanding job in that role and
i'm glad that he's the president at this time. >> but what do you say to someone who said, how can you do that? we're two years past ferguson and look where we are. >> if you look at dallas, texas, for instance, despite the tragedy that happened here, which was terrible for those five law enforcement officials that lost their life, police chief david brown, he's put together some great community policing initiatives here. we've seen complaints lower by about 65% or so an a much more transparency under david brown and i think dallas has been a model in many ways around the country to really help improve communication between the black community, the latino community and the police departments. >> at the federal level, the president impanelled task force and will be meeting again. you're a member of congress. what can you do? what steps concretely can
legislators take? >> i think we need a more robust justice department as far as them and the community police initiatives they do. just west of fort worth, where i live, the fort worth police department is part of a six city initiative that the justice department is working on right now dealing with community policing. and i think we need more initiatives like that. of course, that costs money. the justice department can only do so much with the money they have. i think as members of congress, we need to appropriate more money to really do something about this. there's a lot of potential there and despite a lot of the anythi negativity and conflict on television sometimes, regardless where of where you stand on the issue, both sides want to see this come to an end as far as the tension between the police and the community. >> congressman marc veely, thank
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a great example of a department that has taken the police issue seriously and has engaged in an approach that has not only brought down their murder rates but also drastically reduced complaints around police misconduct. >> that was more of president obama's remarks from warsaw earlier today praising the dallas police department as a model of what 21st century policing should be. and in those remarks, he will reconvene the ferguson task force. more than a year since that group released their recommendations. joining me now, author of "rise of the warrior cop." reporter blogger at the "washington post" and nypd professor at criminal justice. i want to take this moment to
praise your book, exceptional and changed my mind about some things and opened my eyes to a lot of things but that said, i want to play devil's advocate and think he may want to chime in as well. when you look at what happened on friday night, one citizen that appears two firearms, and a handgun carrying out the level of mayhem, death, violence and destruction, how can you say to police departments, you need to dearm? you need to get lrid of your vehicles and the robot when citizens can get access to arms that would make them essentially superior in weapons to the force that they are facing? >> well, look, i don't think anybody, even the harshest critics think that police shouldn't have s.w.a.t. teams or
shouldn't have bulletproof vehicles. the argument against militarization is not that the stuff shouldn't exist in police departments. it's that it should be used in the appropriate circumstances. it should be used when lives are at immediate risk. when you use violence to diffuse an already violent situation. most of the criticism is directed at the use of this kind of tactics to, for example, serve and some low level drug crimes and serve administrative warrants to do things like alcohol inspections or raid fraternities where they suspect underage drinking or where police suspect low level drug activity going on. so the idea that, you know, a city the size of dallas, i don't think anybody would argue they shouldn't have a s.w.a.t. team or this kind of gear. that said, this was a protest. a peaceful protest. the police officers were
targeted because they were police officers and that would have happened. the killer could have chosen any sort of public event. it's tragic. it's awful. particularly given that dallas was a forward thinking police department or still is, but what is the alternative? do we have cops, you know, showing up at peaceful protests in full riot gear where they sort of dehumanize themselves to the protesters and sort of create confrontation and violence from the outset? we do live in an open society that requires a little bit of risk both on our part and part of law enforcement. so, you know, it isn't about the possession of the gear itself but how it's used and the mindset that police departments and officers can sometimes get into when they use it and sort of being aware of that and guarding against it. >> i'm curious to hear your response to that. >> these are real issues and the
problem with, or this dialogue, when you politicize this dialogue and front load this with answers that have to be the answers and the libertarian argument is certainly that argument that no matter what, the libertarian formula is at the end, that's not a responsible way to do it. you can make interesting points. but to take it back to the other night, if you joined this coverage live, this was a city in terror. we didn't know who these people were or how many there were. the scope of this and the police were, as they always are in these situations, making it up as they go along. that's the nature of the work they do. and the nature of our country is that you have this extraordinary fire power available to anybody. it's not just about legitimate gun ownership but in our country uniquely in the western world, people can get these weapons and put a city under siege. the police cannot protect themselves, therefore, they
cannot protect you. and these are real life issues. and made very good points and true points about the penny empty drug raids but can't have liberal, democratic, or ideological conversations that become just about scoring points and being a good debater. the cops actually protect these communities. >> but the question, to sort of respond using radly's point, part of the issue it seems to me, eugene, when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. what radley described is that departments get access to s.w.a.t. gear or surplus military gear and then there's a temptation inevitably to use that and you end up with no knock raids for a minor drug offense or administrative warrant. do you think that's a temptation
for a department when it has access to certain kind of equipment to start using that equipment more than it would necessarily need to? >> absolutely. it absolutely will. but when this debate was a years ago, beyond this minor argument, there was an implication that there was something sinister, that the cops were up to no good and snuck these weapons in, they had some conspiracy and that's what went on in the crazy parts of social media that we have to have a responsible conversation about this and not have that kind of hysteria but yes. we don't want to have the north of ireland or south africa where cops used to drive around in armored vehicles. that's the last thing we want. the irony here is that the police died probably, some of them, because they were not sufficiently protected by gear. but we have to have a balance and have a realistic conversation and these
ideological debates are not helpful when you have to make real public policy. >> radley, we lost his satellite feed. and eugene, o'donnell, former nypd officer, professor, thank you both for coming on the show. really appreciate it. we'll return to dallas in just a few minutes, but next, the latest political news concerning bernie sanders, hillary clinton, and their tug of war for the democratic party. stay with us. me... anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea... ...gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against occasional digestive issues. with three types of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'. this dog treat called max and dentalife.covered it's really different. see? it's flexible... ...and it has a chewy, porous texture, full of little tiny air pockets that gives dogs' teeth a clean scrub all the way down to the gum line. (vo) purina dentalife. for life.
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today, democrats in orlando spent a second day working on the democratic party platform after allies at bernie sanders secured a victory by getting language to call for a raise of the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour and now the same suffered a defeat on the issue of trade. sanders allies hope to get
strong language exposing the platform but were denied after establishment democrats overruled saying such language would embarrass president obama and nbc political reporter alex seitz-wald. >> the gavel close at 1:41 a.m. last night. or i guess thris morning really. it was a bit raw kuckus. it was a seven hour delay and a section in back for the public and bernie sanders supporters show up. they're booing, walking out, yelling shame. so all those delays are happening as negotiators work on stuff behind the scenes and this colorful scene in front of the cameras as well, chris. >> so what are the big takeaways
in terms of what sanders folks have been successful and where they have not been successful? >> i think sanders can feel good about what he's gotten so far. the big win is obviously minimum wage yesterday but just a few moments ago got a win on marijuana. that's creating a pathway to legalization. clinton has not supported that in the past. wall street reform. breaking up big banks he wanted. and a ban of the death penalty, something that clinton has not personally come out against. and a bunch of smaller issues. some of which we haven't gotten to yet and a late night tonight on fracking and carbon tax but overall, sanders stayed in this race. a lot of people doubted whether he would have leverage after waiting so long, not endorsing hillary clinton but i think proved he did get some of his top priorities even though he failed to get tpp, his number
one priority coming in. >> alex seitz-wald, thank you. joining me by phone, ben jealous. i understand that alex just mentioned there's movement on some criminal justice planks in the platform. what's going on? >> hey, chris. you know, we've actually made a lot of progress. we had a moment where we had everybody up here including supporters, all voted unanimously to support a real police reform, language in our platform. you're talking about requiring doj investigations for every suspicious or questionable police killing.
give the data collection we've been fighting for. the weapons of war out of our communities. and this is put by myself by also waters and from the clinton campaign and like the victory on government wage presented by nick turner but henry of supporter of the clinton campaign. we've seen very big issues that representative sanders has been fighting for in both camps. can they come together? i have a great feeling of the contrast to the other moments we had this morning. >> it's interesting to hear you say that. i'm watching this footage. and striking to me. i was watching this play out with dispatches of how remarkably substantive this moment is. you have people in a room arguing it out about the basics of policy, the basics in granular terms of what age
people might be able to buy into medicare. it seems a world away from a general election campaign thus far that have been fairly bereft of that in general. >> we're seeing the process of creating consensus at the base of the party. marijuana decriminalization, frankly, a pathway to legalization is to important because the base of our party, it's very party. and the reality is a bunch of clinton supporters came over to join our folks who would have been associated with our campaign and pushing it through. and so our campaign created a synergy for the people into our party and we want to keep them in our party. and the way we keep them in the party is to listen to them. we respect them and make sure it reflects the ambitions for our country. >> ben jealous, former president
of naacp live in orlando for the second day of the platform committee meeting there going into the morning. thank you so much for taking the time. >> thank you, chris. >> we're joined by barbara lee, a hillary clinton supporter and a member of the platform drafting committee. could we start on tpp? here's how i see it. i think there is strong opposition to tpp among the base of the democratic party. i think there's strong opposition in both houses of congress and both bernie sanders and hillary clinton are on the record opposing it. is the only reason opposition to it is not in the platform because the president of the united states supports it and at the end of the day, he's the most powerful democrat? >> believe it or not, i haven't endorsed secretary of state clinton nor senator sanders. >> i'm sorry, i misspoke.
>> i wanted to wait to help write the platform to come together so that i could help bring both the clinton and the sanders people together on the very critical issues because as a progressive, a former co-chair of the progressive caucus, i want to see this platform move in the direction i think people in america can place and i'm proud of what secretary of state clinton and senator sanders has done. this process sin collusive and heard from a variety of people in constituencies and it's going to be, i believe, a very good platform for everyone to embrace and bring consensus between the candidates and the constituency. there have been differences on a variety of issues. of course, the majority of labor and secretary clinton agreed on a platform position on tpp. i personally am one in congress who opposes tpp and i'm working to whip against it and not bring
it up for the lame duck session but there were many differences of opinion on how this should be framed in the platform and so what was put into the platform was supported by senator clinton and the majority of labor but let me just say also, there are so many good provisions which your previous speaker laid out. when you talk about a platform that stays very clearly, abolish the death penalty, breaking up big banks, it's a platform that focuses on economic security and income inequality by the $15 minimum wage plank. we talk very clearly about education and making college affordable. community colleges and minority serving. and should have a right of
reproductive services by the amendment so i'm very confident that we're going out of here with a platform that everyone can embrace and be able to move forward and beat donald trump in november. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. there is much, much more ahead. we'll be right back. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink
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last night, i had the opportunity to discuss this week's tragic events with homeland security, secretary jay johnson. asked him about the shootings that proceeded the attack today and their impact on police departments across the country. >> in terms of what's happening now in dallas, i think it's important for us to note just as
the shooter last night is not representative of the movement to peaceably bring about change with certain police practices, police officers who engage in excessive force are not at all representative of the broader police force that serves and protects us on a daily basis in this country that happens in communities large and small. police officers serve and protect the public. they are public safety officers sworn to possibly risk their lives at a moment's notice. so in a day like this, it's important not to paint with a broad brush those who seek change through peaceful means to direct violence and hatred towards police officers and it's important not to brand all police officers for the actions of a few.
>> you head up a department somewhat controversially created in the wake of 9/11. part of your job and the government along with, i would say the department of justice and the fbi to protect america from terrorism. there are many people who call after various mass shootings. i've been in charleston after dylan ruf and this term, what does it mean? was this an act of terrorism? >> there are many different definitions of terrorism. this was clearly an act of hate. we know that from the statements the individual made himself about the police, about white people. the investigation is still earlifearly f it's less than 24 hours old. i think we want to know more about the affiliations he may have been in contact with and as
noted earlier on the show, the individual does not appear to have links or affiliations with a foreign terrorist associations, isil or al qaeda but still early in the investigation and i think we want to know more. federal, state, and local is trying to learn everything possible there is about this individual before we put that type of label on this act. that's not to say what happened last night in dallas is any less terrible than an act of terror but more to learn, i believe. >> i just mentioned having gone through the massacre in charleston by white supremacists and people who pledged allegiance to isis and last night by someone who wanted to kill police officers, white police officers. >> i've said this for some time
now. the global terrorist threat we face is evolving to include terrorist inspired attacks. those who self-radicalize and for their own reasons, commit mass violence. very often, the label we choose to put on something depends solely on the motive. though the actions could be the same, the weapons could be the same, the victims could be the same, and so in that respect, it's becoming more complicated to put labels on a lot of the mass violence that we see and it reflects the evolving nature of the threat we face here in the homeland. >> this gets precisely to my point about your job. you are tasked with preventing and the fbi and many parts of government to prevent attacks and how can you prevent a lone
individual self-radicalizing along whichever ideology armed with a weapon perhaps legally obtained from carrying something like this out? >> chris, it's a whole of government approach. when you conducted last interview, i saw one of our federal protective service vehicles. it's a whole of government approach. militarily, we take the fight to terrorist organizations overseas and we continue to do that. we take back territory. we are killing the leader of the islamic state. those focused on external attacks but it includes law enforcement effort, federal, state, and local. i also believe it's critical that public vigilance, public awareness is something that we continue at. public vigilance and public awareness can and has made a difference. it's important that we continue to build bridges to various communities across this country, not just the american muslim
community but a number of communities where there's somebody in their midst who may be turning towards violence. this is a whole of government effort and we keep at this but you're correct to know the situation and the environment has changed since the department of homeland security was created in 2003 and we are adjusting to it. >> that was secretary of homeland security jeh johnson. msnbc's continuing coverage of the shooting in dallas will continue. stay with us. you don't let anything keep you sidelined.
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