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and the ambush attack on police officers in texas. >> it was a week of unspeakable violen violence. and outrage. there were two fatal police shootings of after mirican-amer men. >> oh, my god, please don't tell me he's dead. please don't tell me my boyfriend just went like that. >> reporter: the shootings left a trail of sorrow across the country. this is all tstirling's 15-year son. this is castile's mother. >> it is my son today, but it could be yours tomorrow. >> there are so many questions but no easy answers. >> would this have happened in the drivers or the passengers were white? i don't think it would have. so i'm forced to i don't want and i think all of us in minnesota are forced to confront
this kind of racism exists. >> we cannot allow black men to continue to be slaughtered. this morning i woke up to my wife literally crying. >> this is not just a black issue, it's not just an hispanic issue, this is an american issue. >> reporter: by thursday, america was a nation on edge. it was a day and night of protests. with an urgent message, black lives matter. in downtown dallas, a crowd estimated at more than 800 people matrched through the streets. there was passion, but there was also peace. in a week of us against them, black versus white, the police and the protesters in dallas seemed determined to get along. >> when the officers asked that we would stop for our own safety we did so. they helped direct our route and it was a peaceful rally and a
very peaceful protest. >> reporter: for almost two hours demonstrators chanted and marched piecefully, balance last police by their side. and then at the end, the crack of semi-automatic gunfire. >> it felt like from every direction. we didn't know which way to hide, which way to go. >> people scattered, gripped by panic. >> we started to run and grab kids and help their mother's get to somewhere safe, we didn't want anyone to get hurt. >> one mother was shot and injured shielder her children from the bullets. this father and son lost each other in the crowd. >> what was the most terrifying part about all of it? >> the most terrifying part was us being separated and not knowing where the bullets was coming from, and seeing an officer just drop right in front of you. >> as the protesters ran away from the gunfire, police ran toward it, and it quickly became clear the shooter had police officers in his sights. >> all of the cops were getting
shot. i just saw cops bending over. it had to have been like five or six cops, they was all getting shot down. >> where was the shooting coming from? how many shooters were there? >> somebody is really armed to the tee. >> the police scanner came to life. in this chilling video, there he was rifle in hand, taking cover behind a pillar, moving with tactical military precision. by now more police had rushed to the area. a sea of squad cars, officers in s.w.a.t. gear, warnings went out, stay away from downtown. those civilians caught in the area, holed up and hiding witnessed what happened next. >> it's a sniper from somewhere up here. >> reporter: nowhere seemed safe. one man prayed in the parking garage, behind him the sound of
sirens and more gunfire. >> get back. >> by 10:23. there were reports of four officers shot. a few minutes later it was 10 officers shot. three of them dead. the police chief said he believed there were two snipers. >> they are shooting! >> on twitter, dallas police posted a photo of this man in a ca c possibly with a rifle, saying this is one of our suspects, please help us find him. the man later identified as mark hughes is seen walking up to this officer and giving him his rifle. it turned out he wasn't a sniper just a protester who had a license to carry the weapon. after being questioned by police, hughes was released. meanwhile, the grim numbers continued to rise. 11 officers had been shot and police announced the death of a fourth officer.
>> inside the el centro building. >> then nearly two hours after the first shots were fired, police and s.w.a.t. teams converged on the el centro college parking garage. a college student inside the campus captured the signs of gunfire. >> somebody is shooting at el centro college. >> wchaos and confusion, one suspect or two? a male suspect was still at the scene. the drama switched from shooting to talking. around midnight police say they are negotiating with the alleged shooter who was now trapped inside the parking garage. >> the suspect stated he will eventually -- that we will eventually find the ieds. >> ieds, explosive devices. the shooter added he was not
affiliated with any dwrgroup ane did this alone. negotiations broke down gunfire broke out. and then dallas police decided to break out a weapon few knew existed. they sent a robot armed with a bomb into the parking lot. >> the suspect is deceased. as a result of debt ttonating t bomb. >> reporter: in a powerful moment, officers saluted their fallen comrades where president kennedy was pronounced dead more than 50 years ago. in total, 12 police officers had been shot, five were dead. >> it has been a long, long morning. >> reporter: as the sun rose, dallas mayor mike rawlings and police chief david brown held a press conference to address the
deadliest day in law enforcement since the world trade center awe texts in 2001. >> i want to say thank you to all the emergency personnel that have worked through the night and their calm determination to make our city safe. >> reporter: the shooter was identified as micah xavier johnson. he had also served his country in afghan stistan with the u.s. army. it's hard to explain the unexplainable, but chief brown cited the shooter's own words. >> he said he was upset about the recent police shootings. he stated he wanted to kill people, especially white officers. >> police secured downtown and swept it for bombs. nothing was found. by late friday, the mayor johnson was the loan gunman, and governor abbott said. >> i have no information about
any coconspirators. >> there was a lot of talk. >> the past 24 hours in dallas has been a tale of two cities. on the one hand it's been the tale of heroism of police officers, at the same time it's been a tale of cowardess by an assass assassin. >> there has been a despicable attack on law enforcement. >> many of left wondering what actions will this country take to finally stop the violence? >> i want to now remember some of the too many lives lost this week to violence. alston stirling was 37 years old when he was killed by police officers. stirling had for years sold cds in a convenience store parking lot where he was killed and family members said he recently obtained a gun to protect himself from muggers. he was remembered as a joyful and generous man.
stirling's family and friends held a traditional second line parade to celebrate and honor his life. >> castile who was shot by a police officer during a traffic stop on wednesday was 32 years old. he was remembered this week as a kind, gentle man who cared deeply about the children who attended the st. paul, minnesota schools where he worked as a kitchen supervisor. phil, as he was known, was en gained to be married. his girlfriend and her four-year-old daughter were in the car. >> thompson, officer thompson was 43 years old. and had just married a fellow officer two weeks before he was killed. officer thompson had trained police officers in iraq and afghanistan and had been an instructor at a texas police academy before joining dart. the dart police chief remembered officer thompson as a great officer who served admirably. >> dallas police officer patrick zamarripa was 32 years old. he joined the november right
after high school and served three tours of duty in iraq. officer zamarripa was married and had two children, a two-year-old daughter and a stepson. his family remembered him as a dedicated passionate police officer. dallas police officer michael krol was killed in the line of duty thursday night. officer krol had worked in the sheriffs department before moving to dallas to join the force. sergeant michael smith served in the dallas police department for 28 years. he also served in the army for seven years. officer lorne ahrens had served with the dallas police department since 2002 after spending 10 years with the los angeles sheriff's department. was remembered by colleagues as a big man with a big heart. stay with us. up next, we'll hear from political leaders reacting to this week of violence in america and the cofounder of black lives matter.
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>> reaction continues to pour in from political leaders follow repeated acts of violence this week. many have spoken a message of unity compassion and understanding, even some politicians who may surprise you. >> this has been a tough week. first and foremost for the families who have been killed, but also for the entire american family. >> a few perpetrators of evil do not represent us. they do not control us. the blame lies with the people who committed these vicious acts, and no one else. and as the president rightfully said, justice will be done. we also have to let the healing be done as well. >> we are one people, we are one family. we are one house. we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters. if not, we will perish as fools.
>> let's start here, let's take a moment to pray for all the families and the loved ones suffering today. >> we can't begin to truly confront this. confront it by acknowledging the truth that despite decades of progress on many fronts, many of our fellow americans feel that they are treated differently because of the color
of their skin. >> every american has the right to live in safety and peace. the deaths of alston stirling in louisiana, and fill fill -- philando castile in minnesota, all the work that we have to do to make sure their safety is protected. >> episodes like this must not harden our divisions but should unitfy us as a country. >> it is more dangerous to be black in america. substantially more likely to end up in a situation where the police don't respect you, and
where you could easily get killed. and i think sometimes for whites it's difficult to appreciate how real that is. i mean, how it's an everyday danger. >> one of the things that gives me hope this week is seeing how the overwhelming majority of americans have acted with eppathy and understanding. >> compassion and humanity at this, it we lose those things, what's left. we need to take a moment here for reflection, for thought, for prayer, for justice, for action, right now let's let justice be done, and let's let some healing occur. >>. i had been arrested 40 times during the 60's, left bloodied, unconscious by police officers, but i never hated. and each time i see a police
officer, whether on capitol hill or back in atlanta or someplace in texas
or louisiana, or wherever, in ohio, wherever, i say thank you for your service. >> joining me now a garza, cofounder of the black lives matter movement. and you just hurt the political leaders on both sides of the political spectrum. were you surprised, with the exception of some people on sort of the extreme end, were you surprised at how uniformly positive most of the reaction has been after dallas? >> no. i'm not surprised. i think that what i'm excited and happy about is that the far right narrative that black lives matter is somehow a hate or terrorist group is a message that seems to be dwindling away, and rightfully so. i think that the majority of people in this country understand what it is that we
are up against and what it is that we are fighting for. i think the majority of people in this country understand that we are not anti-police, but we certainly are anti-people being murdered in our community. and i think that the majority of american people understand that we are at a cross roads. and that that cross roads is really which way are we going to go? are we going to go backwards in the direction of further separation and segregation in the direction of further challenges in terms of people being able to come together and have the things that they need for their basic human dignity? or are we going to move forward together and try and figure out solutions to some of the many challenges that we face as a society. >> and yet, you know, black lives matter felt it important to really tweet out a very explicit message saying that black lives matter stands for peace, justice and freedom, not for murder. and i want to play you what
president obama said in warsaw, and still having to couch the black lives matter movement in the terms you are going to hear. >> americans of all races, and all backgrounds are rightly outraged by the inexcusable attacks on police, whether it's in dallas, or anyplace else. that includes protesters. it includes family members who have grave concerns about police conduct. and they have said that this is unacceptable. there is no division there. >> do you worry ever that what happened in dallas and events like that, will have a chilling effect on people's willingness to protest over the core issue of police-involved violence? >> no, i don't worry that it
will have some kind of chilling effect. i think that what the incident in dallas has done has encouraged us to look out for each other. and to be one together in our fight to make sure that we are able to achieve a trans parent accountable and safe mode and method of policing. and until we get to that point, i think we will continue to see demonstrations and protests. i don't think that it will have a chilling effect. i do hope, though, that as we move forward that part of what we are doing is remembering that we have some issues that we need to solve. and that in our grief and in this time of mourning, that we remember very clearly that we are again at a crossroads where we get to decide which direction this country goes in. >> while we are in this moment where people in both the republican and democratic
parties, people who consider themselves the left, the right, people are coming around for the most part around the idea that this is this core problem with policing that has to do with race. what would black lives matter like to see done, what two or three things would black lives matter want to see specifically done? >> um-hum. i think there is a range of things that we would like to see done. the things that i would like to highlight today are that we want an end to the police state. and what that means is, we don't want our lives to be dominated and inundated by the criminalization that many of our families face every single day. what that has to look like, then, is tratransparent account policing. community control of the police. the other way that we get there is by making sure that our funding formulas are are balanced. in the city that i'm from, 40% of our city budget goes to
policing. meanwhile, we are having an extreme housing crisis, we are having extreme crisis in terms of unemployment, and so we do need to right size how much money we are investing into law enforcement in our community. and then the final thing that i would just offer here is that i think it's important for us to make sure that we are demilitarizing the police, meaning we don't want our -- the folks who are supposed to be protecting and serving us using weapons of mass destruction in our community. those types of weapons are not necessary. and ultimately we need different ways to keep each other safe. >> and i'm wondering as you do your advocacy, do you hear from individual police officers or people connected to police departments who themselves want to see some of these changes? >> i do. i hear from police officers who lament about the culture of silence that there is around some of the police violence that we are seeing across the
country. i hear police officers saying that they also are really concerned about the degrees of racism that they experience and encounter in their own departments. and i also hear police officers saying that they are concerned as well about the lack of services and supports for officers. so what that then looks like is you have officer who are going into community already trauma advertised under the impression that they are under attack, and their policing is unnecessarily aggressive. these are things if we come together as people who want to see the similar goal of transforming policing, that we can address right this minute. >> here is hoping that this moment of clarity produces something positive and concrete. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. and up next, we get a h
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country when it comes to race and policing. it also comes in the midst of a heated presidential campaign. and joining me now is a precedential historian. it's always a treat to get to talk to you. as a historian, how it struck you to see the events in dallas unfold to culminate in taking those officers to parkland hospital, that vigil outside parkland hospital, girn the fact that the last time dallas was in the national consciousness was the assassination of john kennedy. >> it seems like a lifetime and a half ago. and in a way that probably is the best way to think of all of this, because you know, i think about history all the time. i think that's a good thing. i don't recommend that to civilians, but i think particularly a week like this, a terrible week, it's a good moment to think about the history of this country. as you know, joy, the united states was born exactly 240 years ago this week.
oddly enough. and if you look at over all that history, i think one thing that anyone has to be impressed by is the ability of this country after a horrible week like this to heal and unit night and improve. sometimes it takes too long, but after an off week like this, we come to see what lincoln called the better angels of our nature. let's hope that's true. >> we all, of course, you know better than most that 1963, the death of john f kennedy that precipitated the election where lyndon johnson had to step forward. the two of were carrying this legacy of slavery, even a hundred years after the civil war, that was still the central question at issue in 1964. how did our politics deal with that fact back then when lyndon johnson was trying to do that
and run for president? >> we were lucky enough to have a president, johnson, who was in that case from the south and particularly sensitive to all the difficulties that would be brought on and also the opportunities by the civil rights act, which he signed two days before the fourth of july in 1964. and so you had a healing president, he always used to say his favorite part of the bible was where isaiah said come and let us reason together. so during that year you had a leader who was a grown up. sometimes in american history you had a horrible week like this and there are leaders who try to exploit that afor their own political purposes. i think one thing that has been a hopeful sign the last couple of days is we have not had that and our leaders have been quite inspiring for the most part. >> we know there were two things that sort of resonate with me that came out of the two assassinations in that period that you did have this big move
toward gun control after the kennedy assassination, or at least mailing guns through the mails, then you also had in 1968 all that was happening in terms of rioting and urban violence and that wound up playing a role in the 1968 election, too. >> it did. i mean, george w. allace was running for president. he said the need for people to realize that i'm right in saying there is a big need for law and order. we are not seeing that here this week. sometimes you have to be grateful for what you are no the seeing. one thing if you go through the entire history, the way we have dealt a week like this best is to take a moment to absorb this and then decide what to do. that was easier in the time of george washington, if you wanted to argue with jornl washington, you would have to get on your horse and go see him or write a letter which would sometimes take weeks and the result was the democracy had a moment to
take a breath and do this with some deliberation. one advantage that we've got that they didn't have in those days is that because of our means of communication now a days, we can have the kind of national conversation about this that was impossible at the beginning. >> and we also of course of course, through the magic of cellphones could actually see in real time some of the things that were even precipitating the riots in the 1960s, which were incidents of police violence. can you talk a little about the nexus between, and i like you love history because it is so -- black lives matter, and the civil rights movement. >> john louis, that all those who fought with him, the situation was it then was was not acceptable and we the demonstrators, he and the others were making to all sorts of sacrifices to change the country. the whole rule of this country, if you had to look at one theme
that runs throughout is the country sometimes does take a long time, but it does change, it does adapt, it does reform in whatever way that is going to happen and you have to assume that 2016 is not an exception to that. >> and it has been striking to watch political leaders who have just been at such logger heads with each other over everything. and the debate has really deteriorated in a way that is distressing to a lot of americans. but something does seem to be different appear dallas. you are seeing the grown ups in a lot of these politicians come forward. do you feel hopeful this can last or just a momentary blip before we go back into the madness of the campaign. >> i think it will last. there were a lot of other presidential campaigns, that sometimes things that were violent and threatened to divide the country did happen and you had grown ups to say, hold on a moment, let's keep this country united and look at this in a larger framework. i think that is what be are
seeing and we should all be grateful for that. >> is there something hopeful in the sense that even in past presidencies, you have seen presidents be able to bring the country together. do you see the possibility of that in the people that are running today? >> i do. and that's -- that's pause it's in the dna of this country. there is through all of our problems and all of our conflicts, we have been through wars and a civil war, terrible economic crises, social crises, social needs that still remain, somehow there is something in this country that causes people when a moment like this comes to say, this is a moment to unit night, but at the same time decide what we can do it make things better. >> well, in horrific circumstances, it is always a wonderful opportunity to get to talk to you. thank you very much. and after the break, can the recent tragedies begin to help us reset the relationship between police and community of color?
>> thursday's mass shooting of police officers in dallas came am midst another national debate about policing in america. but the dallas police department and its chief, david brown had already begun to move that debate forward. and chief brown himself has a personal history that gives him a unique perspective on tragedy. he >> we are hurting. our profession is hurting. >> in so many ways for dallas police chief david brown, this tragedy is personal. >> there are no words to describe the atrocity that occurred to our city. >> reporter: he's also chief of more than 4,000 officers, the married father is a self described lo described loner in a public job.
>> less than two months when he was sworn in as chief two years ago, he was tested in a professional and personal way. >> it appears the shooter is going to be david o'neil brown junior. >> chief brown's only son and his name sake was himself kil d after he gunned down two other people, one of them a police officer. >> i remember closing my son's casket in a church and i remember sitting at the burial site and everything else is a blur. >> reporter: he has also endured the violent deaths of his brother and former police partner. he's known for his kindness, often posting pictures on social media showing his dedication to the people of dallas. >> we are not going to let a coward who would ambush police officers change our democracy. >> reporter: and tonight when his city needs it the most, he's a strong, steady voice of come
pags acome -- compassion and concern for his fellow officers. >> i know this must stop. >> reporter: chief brown has dedicated his whole life to one job. >> i could tell you i have never been more proud of a police officer and being a part of this great noble profession. >> reporter: a department that has been put to its greatest test with its chief commanding the way. >> up next, the attorney general calls for unity.
violence. the answer is never violence. i urge you to remember today and every day that we are one nation, we are one people and we stand together. >> attorney general lynch was among the many voices urging americans to come together. and for more on where we go from here, i'm joined by washington post writer jonathan caphart, and eugene o'donnell, former nypd officer and professor of law and police studies. let's talk about this just a little bit. i spoke with garza, who is one of the cofounders of black lives matter. she talks to police officers who also say they want this dynamic to change. so how, if we all agree on it now, how do we actually take steps to get it to change? >> they don't need to defend them, but this is absurd to be
demonizing black lives matter. we don't need to go into this great detail, but the civil rights movement was demonized. doctor king was demonized. there is nothing new about this. there is irresponsible people in every group. these are kids cross racially, hate is is really becoming totally uncool in this country among young people and they are putting the older generation to shame. that's really important to say. and the idea that cops have some sort of investment in the status quo or a love of yesterday, that's a myth we've got to bust. they get direction, they get clarity we can move forward. >> a young father who brought his little son to the dallas protests, just as an example of the kind of people who were there. there were families there. let's take a listen to him, what he believed that protest was about. >> what really took place last night is what has been taking place across america forever and
that is hatred. it wasn't black lives matter it wasn't police, it wasn't any of those things, it was pure hatred. and until we resolve our hate issue, then we'll continue to see these things. >> and mya, he had to scramble to protect his son and the hatred that he was describing was this who risk mass shooting in which police officers were targeted. >> absolutely. and i think what is so important about this moment is how many people have come together, activists, police officers, sec community and say we are our own best hope. and so much attention on how we actually look at the kind of transparency and accountability that continue toss support effective policing. one of the things we are hearing from new york city police officers for example is they want community policing. they like the fact that now they
get to have sector pat troes where they can know the neighborhood and understand some of the crimes that they see. understand better where the problems are and how to have a better relationship with the community in order to solve those problems. i think that's the kind of hope that we have and the fact that we all understand that police officers -- >> so many years i feel like it started officially in 2013, but the story of police versus the community and the tensions there goes much earlier than that obviously. are we in sort of a moment, maybe a bubble when because dallas was so shocking when we have enough agreement that people might actually accept that black lives matter is actually trying to play a role that would help the entire society, including the police to do their jobs better. ? >> i think so, and in a weird way the fact that this ambush, this horrible thing that happened to the dallas police
department is maybe the silver lining in here, is that the dallas police department was doing all the right things. i mean, all the things that the black lives matter movement around the country has been demanding of police departments, dallas is doing it. and we have to -- expand and see that the president's task force in the 21st century policing, a lot of things dallas is doing is what the task force is pushing, which is they are trying to get more police departments around the country to do, community policing, going from being -- having the posture of soldiers to having the posture of protecting -- actually protecting the community and knowing the community that they are patrolling and serving. so i agree with eugene, i think another silver lining is that the black lives matter movement is not just black people. it's all americans coming together, thankfully a lot of -- a lot of these horrific things that have happened have been caught on video, and so now
everyone can see what african-americans have been complaining about, arguing against for generations. now everyone sees it. and once you see it it is impossible to go back to the status quo. >> to the point today where seer ren seer -- serena williams winning her 22nd grand slam made a statement about this very issue saying, i do have nephews and i'm thinking do i have to call them and tell them don't go outside if you get in your car it might be the last time i see you. eugene, that kind of fear of police goes all the way up the economic spectrum, it doesn't matter whether you are a famous or not familiar muous. it's hard to avoid the fact that it's a real problem. >> is there any doubt about this? is there any reasonable person that would look at this and doubt this? >> we talk about community policing, just to bring this to -- into real life, standing
out in new york, eric garner, a situation in which he ended up being killed, a terrible trauma for the community. i'm absolutely convinced that if we had a community-based police officer in that precinct, we had them in brooklyn when i was there, send one cop out there and this is not to malign the cops, but a face-to-face intersection, addressing him respectfully, nonconfrontational nonconfrontationally, that it would not have ended like it did. people are talking about community policing, let's call it the way it is. what is the actual benefit to it. that's one case where i think it would be beneficial. >> you work for the city of new york and you know firsthand how difficult it is to get concrete changes, because you also have a negotiation that is a labor contract negotiation with the police department and unions that are there to protect the interests of their members. and so this might be a secondary
issue to them if they want really strong police officers bill of rights and things like that, that them make transparency more difficult. how do cities navigate that divide? >> it's important for cities to talk to all stake holders and actually create a set of principles that are fundamental to change. so for example, and i think the new york city police department has done a great job of framing this as one city, safe and fair. that's it. those are the principles. we are all one, this is about all of us, and we all have to align around safety and fairness as two core pricnciples. we have real successes over the past two years. so for example, civilian complaint review board, fewer complaints in a pretty dramatic way from 2014. that is a positive sign. the second positive sign is the fact that we have seen an increase in disciplinary actions
where there have been substantiated cases that creates more public trust that in the few instances, because we should remember there are 36,000 police officers, not that many complaints in terms of the number of police officers, that where they are substantiated, that actual action takes place, including retraining. >> and at the same time, the very real jeopardy that police officers face we saw in stark display in dallas, not only the jeopardy of people who may have a psychological issue, who may have some paranoid view of police or may have some vendetta, we don't know what the motivation was there, but we do know in a lot of cases police are outgunned by some of the citizens that they are trying to police. >> and that gets to the larger conversation about gun control and how the citizens are able to outgun the police. how it's possible that some -- a madman with a gun or a mad person with a gun could not only
put the community in danger, but the very people who are -- who are there to protect community, put them in danger. we -- there are several conversations that need to be had. there needs to be the racial conversation, there needs to be the societal conversation, and just overall hatred, and then there is the conversation about how is it possible that people who might have mental problems, who might have racial hatred or hatred in general, how are they able to easily get the fire power to wreak havoc on community. >> how do we get police departments to the table in these conversations, it feels like wehether we are having the gun control problem or the policing, maybe not all of the political sides at that table. how do we invite the police community to the table? >> you have to have a real life
conversation about what they live with. and what they live with in urban american is complex and you have to have that conversation. otherwise you lose them. and you have to vinconvince the that the answer to absurd extremist hate dialogue coming outside, you should say, keep it out of our agency, and if it's inside, to people who say crazy things, like the president is an islam i can terrorist. there is a cost for allowing people to say crazy things over and over again and just nodding. we have to say wait a minute that's crazy. so no simple solutions, i do think that the cops have to be addressed realistically. >> mental health. john th you can't understand some of the shootings that we've seen, particularly dallas, without understanding the fact that we have not invested sufficiently in this country in identifying and preventing mental health issues that result in homicides. police officers like teachers are actually dealing with the front lines of societal problems.
we as a society need to understand and address in order to support more effective community. that actually will support police officers, that will support teachers, that will support safety, and it will prevent people from getting to a point where they actually are getting involved in the criminal justice system because of mental health issues. $850 million is what new york city has put on the table to address this because it is a fundamental foundational issue. that is something that this country must address, and people of color in particular because disproportionate low income, less likely to get the services they need when they need them. >> and i'm wondering if vote for the officers who now have to go on in this department in dallas and do their jobs with the psychological torment of what happened in dallas on their minds and the families of people like fill -- castile who have o go on. >> i would just very briefly say
the cops, the issue with the cops is to remind them why most of them took the job and they know if they look hard that they respect deep down if they show any amount of respect, i think any cop tells you honestly, inner city america, if you show any respect you get respect back. there is a fundamental well spring potentially for creating a high level of intersection with the cops that is positive. >> and somebody who is going to go on and write about this and write columns about this, do you feel in this moment somewhat hopeful about where we are going? >> i am 51% hopeful, because i'm always hopeful. like i said before, i am hopeful because the people who were out protesting the shootings that happened, the police-involved shootings that happened of civilians it wasn't just black people who were out protesting it was america out protesting in cities across the country. to me if we as a nation are going to move forward in the
racial conversation it's that coalition that is going to make it happen. >> thank you all so much for being here. and thanks to you at home for staying with us. please stay with msnbc for all the latest news and developments as they happen. [ tires screech ] ♪ flo: [ ghost voice ] oooo! [ laughs ] jaaaaamie, the name your price tool
good evening from dallas. i'm chris hayes and this is the continuing coverage of the tragedy in dallas on a friday night. right now, a mass of healing is about to shine. the mass is being led by bishop kevin ferrell. also at this hour we are watching demonstrations against police violence as we've seen in cities kraund the country. this is minnesota. of course, the site of the shooting of philando. and in baton rouge, this is where alton sterling was killed