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oivgsz are >> a live look at president obama main drid, spain where he's meeting with the prime minister there. he's giving some brief remarks. >> the tough situation at home and my need to rearrange my schedule. i was hoping for a longer stay but i thought that it was important to make sure while i was still president i visit because the relationship between the two of us is a friendship,
an alliance relationship. we have shared security and economic interests and values and ideas as two democracies and to the united states given the size of its spanish speaking population or persons with hispanic heritage i think feel a special connection to spain. i thought the prime minister summarized our conversations well. we meet here at a difficult challenging time for europe and for the world. you know, we have a world that is integrating rapidly, and presents enormous opportunities. but if our institutional arrangements don't ensure inclusion, if we do not coordinate effectively on
economic and security issues, then it can present great dangers, both in terms of our own people feeling as if they are being left behind as well as people from other countries fleeing bad situations, wanting to come here, or engaging in conflicts that create safe-havens for terrorism and present future challenges to us. good news is that the relationship between the united states and spain is extremely strong and we have been able to work together on a whole range of these issues. i'm confident that taking the approach that spain has suggested on the brexit negotiations, that that can be managed in a way that does not have an adverse impact on economic growth and opportunity for all of europe, including the
uk, and will not have an adverse effect on the global economy. i want to congratulate the prime minister and the spanish people for the economic progress that's been made over the last several years. it has been a difficult journey but many of the changes that were taken are starting to bear fruit and we still have more work to do, all of us in improving the prospects for young people who are unemployed and creating more innovation and productivity and growth in our economies and make being sure that those economies are broad based, so we discussed how we could do that on both sides of the atlantic. we just both came from the nato meeting in warsaw and i want to thank the people of spain and spanish armed forces for the
outstanding leadership that they provide on a whole spectrum of nato initiatives, whether it's heading up one of nato's new joint task forces, the incredible contribution that's provided by the facilities and hospitality shown to our forces, the work that eu and nato together are doing in the mediterranean and the agean sea. on all these issues spain has been a critical contributor and spain's men and women in uniform do an outstanding job. as prime minister mentioned we also are working together in some very difficult places like the middle east and the contributions that spain is making to training iraqi military and police so that they can consolidate the gains we're
making against isil have been critically important. i appreciate that very much as well. outside of europe and the middle east, we also discussed latin america where we have a shared interest, given spain's roots and strong relationships throughout the spanish speaking world and given the fact that what happens in the southern half of our hemisphere has a huge impact on us. we agree that cuba offers the potential of new prosperity and new freedom if managed correctly, the process of normalization between the united states and cuba. our hope is that, although it will not happen overnight that it provides new opportunity for the people of cuba. peace in colombia has been ill
miscellaneo -- illusive for decades and the fact that president santos has been able to initiative changes and forge a tentative but promising peace deal i think promises creating security for all colombian people. we're concerned about the situation in venezuela and our hope is that we can find a way in which all sides can come together, stabilize the government and stabilize the economy and we want to be helpful although obviously we can't dictate the outcomes in venezuela. let me just conclude by saying that i definitely will come back as an ex-president because spain is beautiful. the food, the culture, the
people, the weather it's hard to resist. and i want to thank the extraordinary hospitality that's been shown to michele and my daughters when they traveled here, they love it as well. so i think as your children get older they don't always want to spend time with you, but if you tell them we'll take to you spain then it's a good way bribe them and force them to spend time with you. but as president of the united states, in my formal role i want to express the warmth, the gratitude, the friendship that the american people feel towards the spanish people. we share values. we share ideas. we believe in democracy. we believe in rule of law. we believe in the dignity of all people. and i'll work together across
the international stage as hugely important. so i hope that i'm setting a precedent so that it will not be another 15 years before the next u.s. president comes here. thank you very much. thank you. >> president obama wrapping up his remarks during his visit to madrid, spain. if we can dip back in, there are some questions being asked of the president. >> the demonstrations we saw overnight in response to some of the police involved shootings but at the risk of suffering the same fate as my colleagues yesterday i want to return to tissue of secretary clinton's emails because of some of the comments you have made in the past yourself about this. you said in april that you continue to believe that she has not jeopardized america's national security but this week fbi director comey said that their assessment that possible hostile actors gained her
emails. do you accept that conclusion and when you referred dwroed tissue of overclassification do you suggest some issues that were identified as classified might have been examples of that over classification. you commented in the past on the black lives movement that you suggest have been counter productive. we've seen continued protest overnight in many american cities over the dallas tragedy and as you prepare yourself to travel to dallas, how would you advise the black lives matter activists to approach this very sensitive issue, situation. the president said in an interview that he hopes and expects, the next spanish government will remain committed to a strong relationship with the u.s. and europe. your in a position to make that kind of guarantee and despite some of the concerns you raised about a possible third election are you in a position to rule out the foia.
okay. >> well, on the first question, this has been a criminal investigation. the fbi director took the extraordinary step of explaining in methodical fashion how they arrived at their conclusion. the attorney general accepted the recommendation of the investigators. and as a consequence i think it's inappropriate for me to second guess, or comment extensively on the country inclusion that they arrived at. when i talked about the fact that there are legitimate concerns around how information travels in the state department, it's across spectrum. it has to do with the volumes
information that are now being transmitted, who has access to them, concerns about cyber attacks and cyber security, concerns about making sure that we're transmitting information in real-time so that we can make good decisions, but that it's not being mishandled in the process or making us more vulnerable. and without commenting on what director comey said, i can tell you that secretary kerry is and has been concerned about this generally and has stood up initiatives to try to improve those information points and that i'm concerned about this throughout the government generally. it just has a particular sarch
lien krrl irli -- salience when you talk about diplomatic messages. we have to do better and learn from mistakes and some of that will have to do with intentional or some of that will have to do with changing systems. some of it will have to do with how we train from the very top. how i use my phone or blackberry down to the lowest level staffer. but we've seen problems on this. wikileaks was a big piece of business. and it wasn't intentional, but what it exposed was that there
were a lot of vulnerability there's. we know we've had hacking in the white house. and how people handle information, the precautionary steps that are taken, all those things are being examined thoroughly and i think it will be a work in progress over time. with respect to your second question, one of the great things about america is that individual citizens and groups of citizens can petition their government, can protest, can speak truth to power, and that is sometimes messy, and controversial. but because of that ability to
protest and engaging free speech, america over time has gotten better. we've all benefitted from that. the abolition movement was contentious. the effort for women to get the right to vote was contentious and messy. there were times when activists might have engaged in rhetoric that was overheated. and occasionally counter productive, but the point was to raise issues so that we as a society could grapple with them. the same was true with the civil rights movement and the union movement and the environmental movement and the anti-war movement during vietnam. and i think what you're seeing now is part of that long
standing tradition. what i would say is this: that whenever those of us who are concerned about fairness in the criminal justice system attack police officers you are doing a disservice to the cause. first of all, any, any violence directed at police officers is a reprehensible crime and needs to be prosecuted. but even rhetorically if we paint police in broad brush without recognizing that the vast majority of police officers are doing a really good job and
are trying to protect people and do so fairly and without racial bias, if the rhetoric does not recognize that then we're going to lose allies in the reform cause. now in a movement like black lives matter there will always be folks who say things that are stupid or imprudent or over generalized or harsh. and i don't think that you can hold well meaning activists who are doing the right thing and peacefully protesting responsible for is uttered in a protest site.
i would just say everybody who is concerned about tissue of police shootings or racial bias in the criminal justice system that maintaining a truth fful a serious and respectful tone is going to help mobilize american society to bring about real change and that is our ultimate objective. now this week people felt hurt and angry and so some of this is just venting. but i think that the overwhelming majority of people who are involved in the black lives matter movement what they
really want to see is a better relationship between the police and the community so that they can feel that it's serving them. and the best way to do that is to bring allies aboard. that means -- that includes by the way police departments doing the right thing like dallas which has implemented the very reforms that black lives matter is seeking. that's part of why it's so tragic that those officers were targeted in dallas, a place that is the -- because of its transparency and training and openness and engagement with the community has drastically brought down the number of police shootings and complaints about misconduct. the flip side of that than is the last point i'll make is just as my hope would be that -- >> all right. we seem to have lost our shot of the president speaking and
making remarks in madrid, spain there. obviously addressing the violence that we saw over the past week and even the deadly violence, the killing of five police officers in dallas, texas. as we work on getting that shot back i want to bring in cristin walker. interesting in talking about this his first official visit to spain following the nato summit in poland once again addressing this violence. it's critical knowing he's coming back. cutting his visit short. coming back and having to time and time again, not to paint this broad brush when it comes to police departments and overall rhetoric when it comes to protesters as well and getting the message out. >> today he echoed perhaps more forcefully what he said yesterday. yesterday he said let's not associate the divides that we're dealing with right now to the 1960s. he's really trying to tamp down the heat on this situation. i think that's part of why he's
cutting his trip short to come to dallas, clearly a community that's very much still grieving. but today i thought it was so interesting what he said. he said attacking the police whether directly or rhetorically is a disservice to the cause. that was a very strong message, i think. and he's made the point, look, can you fight for black lives matter at the same time that doesn't mean that blue lives don't matter. so i think he's really trying to strike this balance which is so difficult right now when the rhetoric is so heated and when it's so hot. this issue, for instance, has overshadowed his entire trip. he's sboen it every single day. he's gotten questions about it every single day. this is something very personal to the president. it's very clear in the wake of trayvon martin and ferguson. he created that police task force to deal with the issue. >> we'll take a quick pause. we have the shot back up. the president is speaking in madrid, spain. >> hopefully be able to
accomplish over the course of the next week and over the course of the remaining months that i'm president. >> translator: whatever happens when we try to form a new government in spain, well that's something we'll see in the coming days, how it proceeds. but certain that everyone is going to act responsibly and that, therefore, spain will soon have a government. in spain foreign policy and defense policy -- >> breaking away from the prime minister in spain there, awaiting other questions to the president as they are meeting this morning. but, again, as the president spoke after his meeting with the king of spain and his first official visit there, of course,
touching on the violence and over the past week what he described as a difficult week having to cut his trip to spain short to return back to the united states to address it here. again joining me is cristin walker. he was saying as we pointed out too that any action, any violence against police is reprehensible but the words he used rhetorically as we were just talking about, to paint that broad brush and not emphasize the good that has done when it comes to these police departments overall is contributing to this cause and this fight. >> that's right. he's really trying lower temperature and he's trying to make the point that words matter as much as actions sometimes and i think that's why you're seeing him really try to lower the temperature. i think we're going to hear him echo that when he does visit dallas. he will once again play the role of consoler in chief to a community that's grieving, a role that he's all too familiar
with over his seven plus years in office now. but, again, this is very personal for him. he created this police task force in the wake of ferguson to deal with this issue, to try to bridge the gap between communities and police departments and there has been some measured progress. there's been some changes that have been put into place. we've seen training has been enhabsed. we've seen thousands of police officers wear body cameras. that helps. dallas one of those communities that really took that seriously that enacted a number of changes. but it still is very much a challenge. when you look at the numbers more people so far this year have been killed in police involved shootings and more police have been killed. this is an issue that plagues the country. >> the president spoke about the dallas police department saying they are that model department with murders down, cases of police misconduct down as well and even praising them and yet this is what we saw. this is what we saw with five of their own fallen. stay with me. i want to bring in ron allen who
is traveling with the president. ron as we've seen and heard three times when he took to the podium in warsaw and now we see him here in spain and addressing this violence and again as he described it a difficult week once again. >> reporter: yeah. a tough week is the way he said it and, yes, just for context, remember he is in a foreign country, meeting with they'd of state. this is a situation, a time when most of the dialogue usually about issues relevant to this particular place. but the president took a very long time and very carefully focused on the question that he was asked, he was asked a question. i think that speaks to the gravity of the situation in the united states. and it speaks to the president's feelings and concerns about what's happening. when we started asking whether he was going to cut short his trip initially there was some push back from the white house
suggesting that wasn't necessary. but then they apparently changed their minds or the president changed his mind. how they came to this decision to cut the trip by day. but they have been closely following these events and very, very concerned. the president, i believe, cristin pointed out is going to go to dallas but also going to convene meetings at the white house next week based around this task force on 21st century policing he created after ferguson to find ways to bridge the gaps between some police departments and some communities that they serve. and beyond the obvious reforms that have taken place like body cameras and different recruiting methods to diversify police forces the president and others have pointed out the underlying problem in many of these communities is, goes beyond police. it's bad schools. it's lack of opportunity. it's high unemployment rate. and when you talk to police officers around the country
that's one thing that they emphasize, that they can't be social workers. they can't be teachers. they can't handle all of the world's problems and that's part of what happens to them when they are in these situations when they are stopping motorists in certain neighborhoods or knock down doors or intervening in different kinds of situations in these communities where there is at times more crime and where there are these other socio-economic drivers that are contributing to the problem. again, the president, though, feels very strongly about this. the bottom line for him and the difficulty of president obama always faces on this issue is that a, he clearly believes and feels strongly about the fact that there are disparities in the criminal justice srjs racial disparrist and enew measurated them like incarceration rates, the rate that guns are used in apprehensions of black suspects. so on and so forth. but at the same time he is on
this trip and especially going out of his way to voice his support for law enforcement, to say that police officers have a tough job. to say that america, the white house, can personally stands behind america's law enforcement officers, because on the streets and other to rums clearly there's a significant number of police officers who don't feel that and don't feel that support and this is something that the white house is clearly focused on trying to get past that and i would suspect in these meetings next week at the white house we'll hear more of that, we'll see some involvement, engagements by the police community because again if police officers out there are not feeling that the white house and the justice department, the fbi supports them, that's a big problem. just one other points on that topic, the obama administration is also very aggressively pursued what are called pattern and practice investigations, which are essentially justice department walks into a police department and says you have
discriminatory practices and patterns and we're going change them and if you don't change them, we'll help you change them and if you don't change them then we'll take to you court and force you to change them. and there are dozens of investigations at various levels across the country, more than any administration has ever done in the past. something else that the president and his justice department often point out when they talk about,000 solve problems in these communities between some communities, between some police departments and communities that they serve. >> the president is speaking live now after his joint meeting with the prime minister of spain. we know he's talking about relationships with the spanish government. we're monitoring his words and remarks closely but as we continue this conversation, i want to ask you also about the white house response that it quelled down at all as far as the criticism the president got shortly after his first initial,
his initial remarks after the shooting in dallas, especially those from republicans who said he quickly turned it political, bringing in guns and gun control. any more response for that? >> reporter: he spoke to that issue last night and, yes, that's the other big political part of this. guns. the president clearly feels there should be what he calls common sense gun measures particularly background checks, broader and tougher background checks before someone can get their hands on a high powered weapon or significant magazine with significant capability, capacity i should say. the president said, look, i'm going keep talking about this and the fact we don't keep talking about this is part of the problem. he's got only a few more months in office. he said some time ago he'll leave it on the floor and i think on this issue he's certainly trying to do that. the president and his team have admitted that they feel he has exhausted his executive
authority, what he can do unilaterally through executive authority to try to change the nation's gun laws. most of what he's done is administrative in nature. and he does -- he has no expectation that congress will change its tone in the remaining months of the administration. so he's using the bully pulpit. he'll talk about this issue. he'll talk about it when he goes to dallas. interestingly he framed it in the context of police officers. yesterday he said, for example, if you are supportive of police officers safety, you believe in police officers safety then you should be in favor of more sorts of common sense as he calls it gun control measure, gun safety measures. so yes this is something the president feels strongly about. he's aware of the push back he'll get, continues to get. again, this is a real legacy issue for president obama. these mass shootings and dallas
was a mass shooting, it was an ambush. it was something different because it targeted police. on this issue of mass shootings the president said often this is the most difficult thing he's had to do in office is console these families in newtown, orlando a few weeks ago. imagine the scene of this president walking into this room full of people that suffered heinous and unspeakable loss and he takes that on. a number of participants described in very emotional terms how he's a father, he's a dad, he's a husband, he's a member of a community, he's a human being and president when he walks into the room and tries to console people. it takes a toll on him. he's said as much and his team has said as much. how could it not. because of that as well, because of those interactions, because of the people he's heard from and the people he's met i think that's another reason why he feels so strongly about this issue. but, again, whether it will
happen in the next few months before he leaves office, remains to be seen. the congress is -- we know the lines are drawn in this country. and despite the criticism, despite the intense push back the president has said he's going to speak out again and again on this issue in the time he has left and after he leaves office as well. >> all right. ron, as we are watching the prime minister of spain along with the president, ron allen following the president in spain. thank you very much for that. i want to bring in cristin walker as we were talking about this, the toll that has taken on the president. we've seen he's very emotional in talking to guns. when it comes back to the push back the white house as far as the criticism and seeing that seep into the campaign trail as well. >> absolutely. i thought that reaction from both candidates was strikingly soft. donald trump was a much more measured tone than we saw after the orlando attacks, for
example. secretary clinton reiterated some of what we have heard from her this need to improve relations between police departments and communities. this was an essential part of her platform during the primary, one of the first policies she laid out dealt with this mass inc inki incarcerati incarceration. she mapped out the ways she wants to reform the way in which police are trained, community policing, and those sorts of things. i am told she's going to be talking about that again this week, she might be laying out more policy proposals. i think the question for donald trump, are we going to hear from him? will he map out some new policy proposals. how will he talk about this in the coming days. clearly this is a topic that will dominate the campaign trail in the days ahead. >> we saw them take a pause from the campaign trail without any events. maybe the attention we'll see in the next coming days certainly this week. thank you for being with us as we follow the president. let's take a quick break and
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welcome back. and there are new details moments ago from the dallas police chief david brown on what they are learning about the shooter. >> this killer obviously had some delusion. there was quite a bit of rambling in the journal that is hard to decipher. i can just add at the scene where he was killed, he wrote some lettering in blood on the walls. we are trying to decipher that. but he wrote the letters rb. >> rb. >> rb, yes. so we're trying to figure out through looking again at things in his home what those initials mean. >> i want to turn back to dallas, a city under heightened alert. jacob is there for us. jacob, talk to us about the
security there overnight that o focused on the dallas police department. >> reporter: it turned out the be a false alarm but it spoke how tense it can be. there was an anonymous tip and some reports of possible shots fired immediately lots of officers, patrol cars, even the s.w.a.t. team surrounded a parking garage nearby and went inside. we were table see the officers inside searching for a suspicious person. after several hours there was nobody, no suspicious item and it was all finished. out here in front of dallas police headquarters we've seen an incredible outpouring of support. can you tell me hundred of letters and notes, people coming all morning and all yesterday and the day before to pray and to show their respect. here's some of what we saw. >> the attacks on the police, they are here to keep us safe. so, it's just not good what's
happening right now in america and we need to lift them up. lift them up so they can do their jobs. >> we come out here. we're here to protect the citizens of our city and to see all this is just overwhelming. and we really, really appreciate it. >> reporter: so you heard the office there are. he said we don't usually just hear from people that they appreciate us, so this is a bit overwhelming in that regard as well for some of the officers to see the incredible outpouring of support but grief is clear, pain is clear. a lot of people shaking their heads wondering how could this happen here especially at a department that had done so well to reduce the number of complaints against them and officer involved shootings. back to you. >> a lot of pain, a lot of hearing. that will continue as we even hear word of funerals and materials for these officers. jacob, thank you. some gun rights advocates
are raising concerns of the shooting of an african-american man outside of minneapolis on wednesday. philando castille told the officer he was armed and had a permit. castile's death sparked outrage and protest. some black gun owners feel the nra should have reacted immediately to the shooting. well the nra in a statement on its facebook page said it would not comment on the castile shooting until the investigation is complete. i want to bring in philip smith founder and president of national african-american gun association. first your thoughts. do you think that police officers see gun owners who are black differently than they see white gun owners and is that different before what happened in dallas and what happened after last week? >> well first of all thanks for having me. i think for the most part there has been a difference from the perspective, perceptions of the
police officers when looking at african-american gun holder or someone who has a gun and is african-american. hopefully that will change in the future based on how things have played out in dallas and other places in the u.s., minnesota and louisiana. but there is a difference. >> when you say hopefully that will change in the future, what is your hope? what needs to happen for that change to take place? >> you know if you asked me this question right after the dallas shootings i would have given you a grim and very sorrowful perspective. i see a glimmer of hope. two things are taking place nationally in terms of the dialogue african-americans and police officers those two communities are having discussion. it's a very painful discussion. i do see some conversations taking place that are honest in dialogue and hopefully something will come of that that's going give some hope and some better outlook for the future for both communities. on one hand you have the police officers that are viewed by a certain, in a certain way by the
african-american community and on the other hand the african-american community that's viewed in a certain way by the police officers. both of those two camps need to get-together because if they don't they will rip the nation in half. what i think needs to take place than is my own perspective is that police officers need to take a look at their house, in house and say we have 99% of our folks doing a great job. our gals and guys go out and protect honorably. there's that 1% out there that's racist in nature. they have very negative outlook on african-american men and women for whatever reason and they need to be rooted out. on the other hand, you have the african-american community which needs to take a look in the mirror we have to stop making sweeping conversation or stereotypes of police officers. two tough communities. they both have a lot of pride. as an african-american i'm in that community. we have a lot of pride. same brett police officers in their community have a lot of pride as well.
we need that conversation otherwise things will definitely go in a direction we don't want them to go. >> you made a point you said that's your personal opinion but something reflected by the president moments ago if you heard his remarks in saying it's dangerous even rhetorically to paint a broad brush when it comes to police and not acknowledge they are doing a great job. i have to ask you about this protest in dallas. this man for a time being was sought out. marc hughes was carrying you see there the rifle then his brother who was there one of the activists advised him to turn it over to police. here's what his brother said. >> my brother was marching with us. so because he's my brother and i understood the severity of the situation my first instinct was to tell him give that gun away. the gunfire is coming from a different location but i knew because he had a firearm a cop could misidentify him so i made sure he gave his gun to a cop. >> hughes was named as a
possible suspect by the dallas police for a time. they tweet this is one of the four suspects. they removed the tweet. but do you think that police treat a man who is an african-american with a gun first as a suspect? you know, i have to speak to flat my own personal experience. i open carry and conceal carry frequently. let's be honest. have an honest dialogue with america. if you're african-american and walking down the street and open carrying and you're being viewed by the police or by society there's a slight hesitation at times to take a second look at you, to be honest. now sometimes officers will approach you and saw question, how are you doing, do you have a right, can i see your license. sometimes they don't. just depends. but there's a perception, unfortunately based on the history of african-americans and their being treated a certain way in the u.s. that when they have a gun it's an automatic
negative connotation, black person, black male, gun those two things together is viewed negatively unfortunately. >> something we've seen and what we've heard and talked about this week. thank you so much. philip smith founder of the national african-american gun association. i appreciate your time. still to come what's next for black lives matter. "new york times" article say the movement is facing its biggest crisis as a consequence of the dallas shooting. why is that? i'm terrible at golf.
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protests have been taking place across the country during this deadly week that began after the shooting death of alton sterling. protests continued last night in st. paul, minnesota and other cities across the country. black lives matter movement has been at the center of many of these protests. i want to bring in professor of pan african studies. an organizer for black lives
matter. thank you for your time this morning. as all of us were listening to the president just a few moments ago, he was asked about the tactics ever black lives matter and the movement. here's what he said. >> if we paint police in broad brush, without recognizing that the vast majority of police officers are doing a really good job, and are trying to protect people and do so fairly and without racial bias, if our rhetoric does not recognize that then we're going to lose allies in the reform cause. >> for those who say that the hand holding, that paint brush painting, you know, the broad strokes there is in the hands of the black lives movement, what would you say? >> i would say that we really need to distinguish between an
assessment of individual police officers and a system of policing. so our critique is really of the system of policing, and seeking to fundamentally transform reale system of policing. and speaking to fundamentally transform the policing system. we're not lodging individual complaints because we know that what is happening with the system of policing is actually bigger than the intent of individual officers and so that is something that needs to be understood, that when we think about the system of policing it involves from a system of chattel slavery where individuals were used to be slave catchers and that actually is the history of policing in this country. so what we're talking about is a redefinition of public safety, thinking about how do we make communities safe in ways that don't assault and assail and brutalize and kill black people. and so we want fundamental
transformation for the policing system. we are not attacking any individual officers. we know that individual officers, many of them, their families love them and their parents and husbands and brothers and daughters, that said they are working for a system that is fundamentally oppressive, especially to black and poor community. >> we've seen and so many as we are seeing now looking at the protests as the result of the movement and fairly short-lived, black lives hasn't been around too many years and the sentiment becomes us versus them and the violence that we've seen as a result of that. >> the "black lives matter" movement, it is a network that birthed three years ago on july 13th, 2013, the day that george zimmerman was acquitted in trayvon martin. and we hail from a legacy of black freedom, struggle to the struggle against police brutality is not a new struggle,
it is new under the banner of "black lives matter." that said, what we've sought to do over the three years is conceptualize ourself as a movement rather than a moment. how do we transform a system embedded into the fiber of this country. and we're seeking not simple reform but transformation of public safety and policing in this country. and so that is the work that we're seeking to do. we are fundamentally a peace movement. if we think about the work that we're doing, what we're saying is we don't want a violent system of policing that kills black people with impunity, we want to transform our public safety system in one of peace, one that actually protects and serves and helps our communities, all of our communities, especially our black communities to grow and flourish and prosper. >> and you're using words as far as peaceful transformation and peaceful reform but consider in the wake of the killings, five
police officers and the new york times reporting that "black lives matter" is facing the biggest crisis in its short history. and you're talking about the reform and transformation, but what happened in dallas, was that destructive to your movement. >> what i don't understand is how -- the act of a single individual is now being pinned on a movement which that individual wasn't even a part of. and so it is -- >> how do you different ate that? there are reports from "the washington post" and from the shooter's facebook link that he was interested in black nationalist groups and the post on facebook showed him with his fist up with the caption black power. how do you distinguish that and you are away and you are not -- that you are not associated with that as far as "black lives matter." >> it is important that we not collapse those terms. so every white man with his fist up is not thought of being a
part of every single white organization or movement. a black man, simply because he has his fist up is not necessarily a part of "black lives matter." in fact, folks who want to protest police brutality, we don't all -- can't be collapsed and folded into a single movement. i think that what we're seeing with mass media is an attempt to say we're in a moment of crisis. "black lives matter" is a network and as a movement we see ourselves as a cross roads. we're seeing the building and the growth of the movement. over the last week we've had hundreds of thousands of folks in los angeles and thousands of folks globally kind of really commit themselves to transforming the system. so i don't think we're in a moment of crisis. i think we're in a moment of growth. and on the precipice of an even deepened commitment to transforming this world. >> mallina abdullah.
thank you. i want to bring in jonathan alter. i'm sure you were watching the president and hearing his remarks. over all from the three times he to step to the podium to address louisiana, minnesota and texas and now in spain and what are your observations of how he is handling it. >> i thought it was interesting, frances, that today from spain, remember how measured his words were. he's speaking very, very slowly and thinking before he spoke. and i think the message that he was sending, maybe even a little subliminally was turn down the temperature. why doesn't everybody think more before they talk. but talk more. and that is the best takeaway from this tragic event. is that communities need to speak more to each other. in new jersey, for instance, after some of the police shootings a couple of years ago, in camden and newark and other
cities, across new jersey, they have a series of meetings between the black community and police officers. they are very, very constructive. so something positive that could come out of this is if we had a calm, reasonable conversation about all of this. it is not going to end the events. there will be others in the future, but we could at least begin to process them if we talk more. >> and jonathan, quickly, what struck me, in regard to his remarks and the protests and the talk on the divide kmen community and racial -- the community and the racial tensions as well and he said the divisions in this country may not be as bad as some suggest. >> i don't think they are. i think this talk about a civil war and a race war is really ridiculous. this incident is now becoming clear today has its roots, like so many others, in mental illness. this man was clearly mentally
disturbed. so we need to focus on things that we could do something about, guns, mental illness and talking more to each other. >> we know the president addressed the guns and received criticism from the other side. >> criticism. >> thank you for your time this morning. >> and that will do it for me. i'm frances rivera, i'll see you back here at 4:00 p.m. and up next, "am joy," and new questions about policing body cameras. thank you for being with me. seems like we've hit a road block. that reminds me... anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea... ...gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against occasional digestive issues.
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