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t's fresh and try febreze small spaces... ...to continuously eliminate up to two times the odors... ...for 30 days febreze small spaces and air effects, two more ways... [inhale + exhale mnemonic] to breathe happy. good to be with you. i'm frances rivera coming to you live from msnbc world headquarters in new york. at this hour expanding investigation, new information in dallas where federal officials continue their probe into the deadly attack on five officers. what they now say about the shooter's final moments and what he could have been planning next. emotional toll, the mother of one of the fallen officers speaking out to msnbc about the moment she realized her son was in the line of fire. >> when i saw that four officers had been shot, i never, never imagined that it was -- he was
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one of them. never in my wildest dreams. >> and where the movement goes from here, more than 20 officers injured, hundreds of protesters arrested across the country overnight at black lives matters protests, raising questions about what it will take to bridge the divide between police and the lives they are sworn to protect. but we start in dallas where this afternoon we are learning new details about the shooter that could change the focus of the investigation. i want to bring in now nbc's tammy litener in dallas. tell us about the eerie details the shooter leaving messages in his own blood. >> that's right, frances. we now know he apparently left a final message. he wrote the initials "rb" on a note in his own blood in a parking garage. it's unclear what it means. investigators are trying to figure out if it ties into the shootings, may be a piece of clue as to why he did this.
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we do know now though there may have been some evidence this shooter was delusional. during the police chief he said during the two-hour negotiation they had with micah johnson he was singing and laughing. keep in mind this is after he had just killed five people and injured seven. we know that at one point the negotiations broke down and that was when the police department decided to send in a robot to detonate an explosive. the police chief says he believes micah johnson had plans to kill many others. we know that they searched the house in mesquite, texas, where micah johnson was living. they found a journal and in that journal it was a lot of ramblings, another indication he may have been delusional. they also found some bomb making materials and some evidence that he may have been practicing detonating bombs. they did find a cell phone and a laptop as well. they're still going through it. one of the biggest questions i think on a lot of people's minds is did micah johnson have help. and that's one question that still has not been answered. frances. >> all right, we also know the president cut his trip to spain
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short. the white house announcing today he will visit dallas on tuesday. is there anything more we know about his plans? >> we know that he's set to speak at an interfaith mer mor yal service in the afternoon, he was invited by the mayor of dallas to do that on tuesday. >> i'm sure a lot of people seeking his words of comfort as the community there in dallas where you are continues that healing. i appreciate you're being with us. thank you. for more now on the latest shooting victims who are still recovering, we turn to nbc's joe fryer outside baylor university's medical center. >> shetamiya tailor is the mother who took four of her sons to the rally thursday night, they were just actually starting to leave that rally when the shooting started to happen. one police officer, she says, who was shot then told them, run. she did run, but she was hit in the leg, still despite that covered her own son in the midst of all the chaos.
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and when police officers figured out that she was shot, they protected her, were able to get her out of harm's way and to the hospital for treatment. it was a very powerful emotional news conference as she and her four sons shared their story about what happened. it got especially emotional when she talked about learning that so many police officers had lost their lives trying to protect other people. take a listen. >> i'm sorry that -- i'm sorry, i'm so sorry that they lost their lives. but i'm thankful. i'm so thankful. i had never seen anything like that, the way they just came around us. just guarded us like that. it was awesome. >> another powerful moment in the news conference, taylor actually met another mother who had protected one of her
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children in the aftermath of the shooting. after all the chaos broke out, one of taylor's kids ran away to safety, was helped by a good samaritan who protected that child in the aftermath of what happened until she was able to reunite them with family. well, ms. taylor had not met that mother who helped out until the news conference today. a powerful moment when those two mothers hugged and shared that moment in front of everyone. back to you. >> yeah, that hug certainly says it all. nbc's joe fryer for us with the latest in dallas. i want to bring in former dallas city council member, representative, thank you so much for your time. i've been following your tweets and you've been tweeting even pictures and images of dallas how the community is coming together to mourn the fallen police officers. we've also talked to people, members of the community, i want to play a little of that for you and we'll talk about it. >> the attacks on the police, they were here to keep us safe, so it's just not good what's
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happening right now in america. and we need to lift them up, lift them up so they keep doing their jobs. >> we come out here and, you know, we're here to protect the citizens of the city and to see all this is just overwhelming. and we really, really appreciate it. >> representative, what do you make of that support, and maybe even more importantly how can that support spur change? >> you know, i've lived in dallas all my life, and i have, you know, six generations of dallasites in my family, so we've been through the shooting of president kennedy and the civil rights era and the vietnam war protests. and this is just a very tragic occurrence here in dallas. it's not representative of who we are as a city. it was done by evil person who did a very, very evil thing. and our city is hurting right now. and our police officers are
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hurting. and you'll see a lot of prayer vigils to respond to our police officers. and i think the lesson here is they put themselves in harm's way every single day to protect us and to protect the city and to protect our first amendment rights to free speech and freedom of assembly. and we just need to be very supportive of that because they run into harm's way every single day. >> and that's certainly echoing what the texas attorney general told me when it comes to just simply starting off as far as, you know, eventually spurring change by just encouraging law enforcement and police officers. talk a little about how you've been seeing that since this horrific incident. >> sure. you know, we need to have a conversation in dallas between law enforcement and our community. we have started that a couple of years ago with a program called operation blue shield that the
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legislature endorsed. it goes into the community with our police officers and helps them establish those conversations. and, you know, we have a younger generation now, perhaps they're not touched in the same way through the churches and through traditional methods as used to be, so we need to figure out how to touch young people and touch their hearts. and encourage them to use words that are meaningful words but words that are not harmful and the rhetoric really needs to be turned down as far as very harmful language going on. >> we've heard that repeatedly. the white house announced today that the president will be there, will be there with you in dallas on tuesday and the community. what do you think your constituents will want to hear from him when he comes? >> i think comforting words. we're going to need some help obviously. our police officers need additional equipment, so we'll probably have those
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conversations with him. but i think when the president comes he will have comforting words for not only our law enforcement but also our citizens as well and our city. and we're appreciative those will be words forthcoming. >> yeah, those words certainly needed especially as plans, funeral plans, memorial plans, firm up there for your community. thank you so much texas state representative linda koop. i appreciate it. >> sure. thank you so much. >> as more black lives matter protests begin today across the country, i want to bring in now ashton p. woods, a leader of the black lives movement in texas. thank you for your time, ashton, in being with me. i want to start knowing there are protests as we speak right now in certain parts of the country and washington, d.c. and last night of course we reported that the protests there were not that peaceful. we had 100 arrests in minnesota, 21 officers injured across the country and closing of i-94. so is the city of dallas and the state of texas mourns the loss of these five officers, what is the role of black lives matter, especially in dallas and in your
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state? >> well, first let me say i'm here in houston. i'm an organizer with black lives matter houston. we don't condone bloodshed in the black lives matter movement. for us to say black lives matter is for us to demand that law enforcement stop shedding our blood. so we would never shed blood of someone else if we want our blood to stop being shed. we have fundamental disagreements with law enforcement, which is why we protest. but in no way, shape or form would we deal with doing something like that. the events that took the lives of those five officers, i felt that loss of humanity as well. but i will say that the five officers that we lost, the seven that were injured, and the shooting himself, they all in some way, shape or form did what they did -- they needed to do to protect american citizens. this person was a veteran. and i hate to say it, but i've run across him, i've seen him
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here in houston. he lived here for a while. and i'm also a veteran. and i think about being a veteran while black and if we're going to talk about how we are going to reverse everything that's going on right now, we have to recognize the systems of oppression that are taking place and the play the institutional, structural racism, once we talk about that we'll be able to go to a place where we can come to a happy medium. >> just to clarify did you say you knew and saw the shooter, micah johnson? and if so, in what context and how did you know him and encounter him? >> context meaning i have seen him here in houston. i didn't know him personally. i knew that he was a member of the new black panther party chapter here. there are two here in houston. and we've been active for quite a while. but this just goes to show you that regardless of what race you are, regardless of what part of the movement you're in or group
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you're affiliated with that we have to reach back and look at people to see where they are. because the truth of the matter is we're witnessing violence inflicted upon people. and until we recognize that we're in a state of -- under a state of oppressive attack, words are violence, actions are violence whether they're physical, you know. and i think that, you know, thinking about what governor greg abbott and especially what dan patrick had to say, those are words of violence as well. those things incite people to act in ways that are not normal for us. and we have to recognize that. >> i want to ask you about the president who spoke about black lives matter earlier today. here's what he said. >> now, in a movement like black lives matter, there's always going to be some folks who say things that are stupid or imprudent or overgeneralized or
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are harsh. and i don't think that you can hold well meaning activists who are doing the right thing and peacefully protesting responsible for everything that is uttered at a protest. >> he went onto call the dallas shooting a disservice to your group's progress. so how do you reconcile that when it comes to your group's goal, and those who protest violently in your name? >> well, everything he said was true. but i'd like to go a little further. when i stated earlier that we have to break down systems of oppression and institutionalized racism, that means we have to work with people that we don't necessarily agree with. so reconcile and that means going to our city leaders. for example, here in houston i'm going to be encouraging people to go to city hall and speak before city council and the mayor during live session to talk about changing policy that directly impacts the police department and the people of
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houston. and i think that something that should happen everywhere in this country. >> and very quickly, ashton, do you think the events this past week has jeopardized your movement, your message? >> no, it has not. a lot of us when we heard about alton sterling and philando castile and actually yesterday coming off of the heels, the story still developing it happened right here in houston proper, so that's something to take stock of. but the truth of the matter is we can't be afraid to continue to fight while not condoning the bloodshed of police officers because the problem still remains is that there is still police brutality and it's been enabled by systems of oppression. so we need to be able to look at everything wholistically and go forward. >> all right, ashton p. woods, leader of the black lives movement there in houston. thank you so much for being with me. >> thank you. across the country and the
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pond, the movement marches on. demonstrations continuing today. these are live pictures from st. anthony, minnesota. the protesters gathering there calling to bridge the divide between police and the people they protect. most today have been peaceful, but that wasn't the case last night. hundreds taken into custody, more than 20 officers injured. we'll have the latest on all of it on the other side of this break. seems like we've hit a road block. that reminds me... anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea... ...gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against occasional digestive issues. with three types of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'. ♪ ♪ take on the unexpected with a car that could stop for you. nissan safety shield technologies, available in the altima, sentra and maxima.
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we are awaiting an update in louisiana from governor john bell edwards after a chaotic night of protests there. 101 people including a prominent black lives matter activist, they were arrested overnight after protesters took to the streets to call for justice after the shooting death of alton sterling cht i want to bring in msnbc sarah joining us
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live from baton rouge. i understand there's a delay because the governor is getting a briefing on security there? >> that's correct, frances. the security and him addressing the media coming after two days of increasing tension of protests in the evening leading as you mentioned to more than 100 arrests last night. that happened near police headquarters about 3 1/2 miles from here. it followed a peaceful protest that had gone from city -- a march from city hall to the state house. that had been organized by local leaders, police say it was this later rally later in the evening organized by people outside the community where these arrests happened. they also said they confiscated eight weapons. and they say one officer was injured, he was hit by a projectile thrown from the crowd. meanwhile, protests and demonstrations continue today. you can see there behind me a gathering of people. they're calling for justice.
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they're calling for the surveillance video from this convenience store where alton sterling was shot to be released. and they're calling for the arrest of the two officers involved in this case. meanwhile, we are waiting to hear, as you mentioned from the governor, and we're also waiting to learn more about these more than 100 people arrested last night, the first of the 100 have begun to be released from jail right now. those arrested last night as you mentioned include prominent black lives matter activist and three journalists all were charged with obstructing a highway, frances. >> nbc's sarah dallof following coverage from bat on rouge. sarah, thank you very much. at this hour more protests are underway in parts of st. paul, minnesota. last night 2,100 officers were hurt. and 102 people were arrested when police and protesters clashed on interstate 94. governor mark dayton condemned the violence. and his statement reads in part,
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quote, the occupation and shutting down of interstate 94 last night were unlawful and extremely dangerous. i urge all minnesotans to remain calm and peaceful during this very difficult time. i urge everyone exercising their first amendment rights to do so lawfully and without endangering themselves or others. nbc's blake mccoy is live for us in st. paul, minnesota. talk a little bit about the situation there. things appear from this vantage point at least to be calm and peaceful. >> reporter: that's right, frances. there is a protest going on right now outside of the st. anthony police station, which is the department where that officer shot and killed philando castile during a traffic stop last week. you can see there's also another demonstration going on here in front of the minnesota governor's mansion. they've been camped out here since that shooting, about oh 200 people here right now. now also condemning that violence overnight was the protest organizer with black lives matter. he says it was always meant to be a peaceful protest.
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and he blames what happened on agitators, in his words. we do know that among the things thrown at officers were rocks, glass bottles, even a firework and a molotov cocktail. despite all of that the 21 officers who were injured, i'm told, will be okay. their injuries are just minor. at one of these rallies today we were able to speak with someone who knows the family of philando castile. >> philando castile, i had a connection with his uncle. so to me when i saw his uncle on tv and could relate to the fact that it was his nephew who he helped raise, it all just came on me as what is going on here. i mean, the minneapolis incident, the baton rouge incident, all these incidence, dallas, the police, everybody is just needing to come together and figure this out together. >> reporter: the minnesota's governor, mark dayton, is meeting with the head of the naacp here locally, it's a
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private meeting but no doubt an attempt to quell the tensions that we're seeing. i did get a chance to ask him on friday how long he's going to allow this to continue outside of the governor's mansion here in st. paul. he says this is a public street, that is a public building. and people have a right to be here, frances. so he's going to let it continue for at least the time being. >> so far everything looks under control. nbc's blake mccoy live for us in st. paul, minnesota. blake, thank you. there's a question now, where do we go from here? with police departments on edge in the wake of dallas, how do we move the conversation forward? former federal agent randall hill joins me next with his thoughts on that and more. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town.
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following thursday's tragedy in dallas and protests across the country many are looking for ways to bring the law enforcement and the community together. joining me now is former deputy sheriff and former federal agent randall hill. randall, i appreciate you're being with me as we're talking about two things, dialogue and
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action here to bridge this divide. there's discussion on "meet the press" this morning with charles ramsey, co-chair for president obama's task force in 21st century policing. here's what he had to say. >> police officers are human beings. and, i mean, when you're being attacked like that, or at least you're perceived of being attacked, it does create some issues and some problems. but i think we all need to recognize that there are some changes that need to be made. i mean, we can't look at it from a defensive posture. how do we move forward? how do we create an environment where we're on the same page? there's only one issue and that is creating safe neighborhoods, but also those neighborhoods where people in it have a sense and feeling of justice and fairness. >> so, randall, what steps should law enforcement take to not only move this conversation forward, but also to result in tangible change? >> you have to communicate with the community, you have to talk, you have to have the dialogue. you can also take, you know, law
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enforcement officers and put them in mainstream. such as somebody at sporting events, the pop warner leagues, youth football leagues, put them in as coaches. you have to develop that dialogue and that camaraderie, which is all about teamwork. we've seen it here a lot in miami. we've gone through our rioting, we've gone through a lot of changes, we've had a lot of diversity down here. i've seen it and i know how we should overcome it. and it's definitely with communication. >> well, you've had experience both on a local level and federal level when it comes to law enforcement. so when we're looking at that effort, is it needed more on the local or federal level that's needed to see this change? >> well, i think also the federal level's going to bring in a different type of atmosphere. and even going to some town hall meetings you see a lot of the community they come back and say they don't really trust the state and local law enforcement, which should not be the case. but if you could bring the federal entity involved and get them involved, you can probably bridge that gap and have everyone get along and have that
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communication that is desperately needed right now. >> well, we've heard the president, we know about his task force especially when it comes to policing and getting in communities and even touted the dallas police department in doing so. and say they were kind of the model department. and yet we saw this happen. how is it that down the road where you are in miami, and other law enforcement agencies around there can say, yes, we're doing all those things right. but yet that divide still exists. >> yeah. you know, that division is there. and some people call it, you know, the thin blue line. we don't need, you know, that type of terminology. we have to be a community working together. you know, we're united states citizens in this united states. this country was founded on a platform where we have to tolerate each other and understand and get that dialogue back together. oechb the federal government when you talk about the hider program, that is that type of unity that you can have with the
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state and locals and go out as a federal agent and work with the state and local and have that community work together with a lot of communication done on law enforcement-related issues. >> all right, randal hill, former deputy sheriff and former federal agent, thank you so much for being with me. >> thank you for having me. up next, rhetoric in the dallas shootings and protests across the country, a member of the obama cabinet taking aim at former new york city mayor rudy giuliani who said this about the black lives matter movement. >> i think the reason that there's a target on police officers' backs is because of groups like black lives matter that make it seem like all police are against blacks. they're not. they're the ones saving black lives. black lives matter is not saving any black lives. it's the police officers who are doing it. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes,
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i think it's time that we dial back the overheated rhetoric and we come together, which is why commissioner bratton and i are here this morning. we come together to mourn the loss of these police officers in dallas, these brave heroes to heal, to build bridges. and let's all dial back the overheated political rhetoric. >> homeland security secretary jeh johnson urging politicians and others to scale back political rhetoric after this week's tragic events. after a night of violent clashes between police and protesters in st. paul, minnesota, president obama sent a message to members of the black lives matter movement. >> whenever those of us who are concerned about fairness in the criminal justice system attack police officers, you are doing a disservice to the cause.
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>> well, this week as members return to congress and the presidential candidates return to the campaign trail, what solutions will be offered to try and heal a divided nation? joining me to talk about it is democratic strategist tara dell and republican strategist bill o'riley, and also rebecca, national political editor and managing editor of the fix. and, rebecca, i want to start from you. we heard from jeh johnson in "meet the press" this morning saying first of all bring it back in when it comes to the political rhetoric. at this point is that what's needed? >> certainly that's what you're seeing a bit of right now. it was interesting to see on friday we saw almost an abrupt change of tone from donald trump. in past tragedies we've seen for instance after orlando kind of come out and make a political point after the tragedy. we saw him dial it back a bit, at least at first. toward the end of the day he eased into attacks on hillary clinton and the democrats. but really focusing on mentioning the victims, which is
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something that he had not done in past events, by name of the police shootings. and so that's something that was very interesting to hear. hillary clinton of course also giving comments and mentioning specific policy solutions, which is something we have not yet necessarily heard from donald trump. >> we were just talking about that, bill, especially when you have donald trump in his office with the very scripted obviously message that he gave. and then today saying pretty much, and i'm paraphrasing here, kind of look where our country is today thanks to obama and crooked hillary and all of that. so was that -- should he have just left it with that post? >> yeah, he should have just left it. and i think what we're seeing is a pattern that plays out over and over again with donald trump is what likely happened after dallas where some of his aides sat on him physically or maybe put duct tape over his mouth and sent out nice remarks at first. but donald trump seems to always come through in time. and he'll do that increasingly on twitter when he gets a chance to speak his mind, he tends to
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say things that are hurtful. and that's going to probably increase going into the convention. i think he did -- or his campaign, i should say, handled the shooting well initially. but we'll see how long he can stay with that. >> terry, what we've heard everything was very measured. we saw the campaign events being pulled back in light of this week and what happened. but there's also going to be that shift in tone when they get back on the campaign trail. and especially the democrats and hillary clinton we're going to see her coming, what is it you think she will be saying, how she will handle this given that donald trump is kind of laid it out in that sense. >> well, with respect to donald trump though, i think that, you know, he may have been measured initially, but he's not measured anymore. and some of his aides have not been measured. if you go on twitter they're saying some hateful things right now. but i will say this with respect to hillary clinton, certainly this is a challenging issue for her and for the democratic party. i think one thing that doesn't get talked about enough within democratic party politics is our diversity of the party is our
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strength. but the diversity is also something that can create challenges because some of the interests are competing within the party. so i do think this is a very difficult thing for her to navigate. but i will say this,ic if she focuses on policy solutions, she focuses on real reform, that's a good thing. and i think also speaking to the fact it should not be controversial for african-americans to expect to be -- to receive equal treatment under the law, under the constitution. this should not be controversial. black lives matter asking the unarmed black men and black women not be shot by police, 12-year-olds like tamir rice, philando castile, these things should not be happening. and us demanding that it not happen should not be controversial. and the fact that it is says it all. >> well, i'll say the president when he came out in poland saying we're not as divided as some suggest. and donald trump saying
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referring to the president saying he must live in the land of make believe if he thinks we're not divided. >> i think people need to understand black lives matter is not some traditional civil rights movement -- >> you're shaking your head. >> no. look at the website's crazy demands they put out there. they've belittled the tactics of the martin luther king civil rights activists. they're a group that likes to shutdown and shoutdown, they're a very aggressive group. >> they're emphasizing their constitutional rights to protest in the united states of america. >> however that's supposed to shut down infrastructure and shout down people they shouldn't do. it's a first amendment right they have. >> say both members of black lives matter say today that their movement, that their mission and that their message is that for peaceful reform. and you have the president -- >> it's not though. it's a leftist group. if you go onto their site, it's a leftist group. >> if i can say the president's words this morning he said, he did, he praised them and said when it comes to these protests,
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there are things -- and i'm paraphrasing, some things are said harsh, things that are over generalized and you can basically not make this generalization -- >> the black lives matter tactics have always been confrontation. they've always pushed for confrontation. >> tara. >> it's pressure politics. because in this country -- i worked in government. the squeaky wheel gets the oil in government. anyone who tells you otherwise they should not be quiet, they should not sit back. a 12-year-old was shot in cleveland for playing with a toy gun. they should do whatever -- you're more upset about them shutting down bridges. you should be upset about the 12-year-old who got shot playing with a toy gun. should be upset about an unarmed black man who respectfully told the police officer that he had a conceal carry permit and that police officer shot him in front of his son and daughter. >> i'm going to break in and give rebecca the last word. i wish we had more time.
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this is on both sides reflective of the argument of our community and our country and the passions that are running. rebecca, to you very quickly, last word here, is this reflective of not only our country and the divide here, but also the politics that we're seeing? >> well, there's two separate conversations. you heard of course as the conversation over black lives matter specifically the movement, and that's something where you don't necessarily have a lot of common ground at the moment. and there is the conversation that you referenced of course about the violence itself, the violence between police officers and the way they're interacting with some in the community. and that's a conversation where you're hearing voices make a point and find a lot of common ground. you're hearing newt gingrich saying somewhat americans don't understand the plight of african-americans. so we're starting to see an evolution in the conversation and more common ground than i think people expect. >> all right. all of you, i wish we had more time. unfortunately, we don't so we'll leave at this. thank you all three. tara, bill, rebecca, always spirited, we'll just call it
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the death of young black men killed by police. and at the end of this very bloody week in which white police officers have killed black men, and here in dallas a black man killed five white police officers, there is great grief. behind me there are people gathering around a memorial set up around two squad cars with notes saying we stand behind you and flowers and candles. but there is nuance to this. in the historic black community on the south side of dallas there is a wrestling of sorts. on one hand many fully support the idea of stopping state sanctioned violence against african-american men, especially. but there's also universal grief around five innocent police officers being gunned down by someone that police say was delusional. but, again, in that wrestling of this community, trying to figure out what the next move is and find answers to find out what makes sense, they're coming here together in the sense of community. and we spoke with -- >> trymaine, i apologize for interrupting but i want to take
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our viewers to baton rouge, louisiana, where governor is speaking. let's listen in. >> -- our citizens here in louisiana to a very large degree have decided to protest in a constructive and peaceful manner. yesterday alone more than 500 citizens peacefully marched in downtown baton rouge. clearly those are the demonstrations, those are the voices that are having the biggest impact and have the potential to move us forward. and throughout the last several days with the hundreds of folks who have protested and marched at various locations day and night, very, very few have engaged in anything that was unlawful. those that did it was relatively minor misdemeanor offenses such as obstructing a roadway. the police tactics in response have been very moderate. i'm very proud of that as well. and in fact as i stand before
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you there's been one injury to a police officer throughout all of this time period. and while one is too many, we can be thankful that it hasn't been more. so i want to thank the law enforcement officials from across louisiana. and i do mean from across louisiana. while we're hear in baton rouge, and primarily we have the baton rouge police department and the baton rouge sheriff's office who are responding, and providing for law and order here in baton rouge, the fact of the matter is we have state troopers involved, we have folks from different sheriffs offices around the state of louisiana. so i want to thank them all for doing their part to keep the demonstrations peaceful, and to put themselves at risk to keep the demonstrators themselves safe. as i've said from the start, the best way to honor the memory of alton sterling, the dallas law enforcement officers and philando castile is for peaceful demonstrations here in
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louisiana. now, the sad fact is there are folks coming from outside of louisiana into our state and into baton rouge. and clearly they're welcome here so long as they're going to participate in a peaceful, lawful manner. however, they're not going to be allowed to come here, and nor will our own citizens be allowed to incite hate and violence, to engage in unlawful activities. and i want to be very clear, that will not be tolerated. we don't operate like that in louisiana. i'm certainly proud of the people of this community and the fact for the most part the vast majority of them have rejected the folks who are trying to incite them to violence or to do things that are unlawful. the baton rouge community, people across the state can rest assured that the demonstrations are for the most part taking place in a proper way that
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protects an individual's constitutional right to assemble and to have their voices heard. and law enforcement is doing everything within their power to keep everyone, the protesters and the community at large, safe. last night more than 100 individuals were arrested for various reasons. to anyone who wants to peacefully protest the community here in baton rouge or anywhere else in louisiana, it's critically important that you follow the direction of the law enforcement who were in that area. you have a right to be here. you have a right to demonstrate. and clearly you have an obligation to protect both yourself and the surrounding community. if orders are made not to obstruct a roadway and you step out into the road, that is cause for arrest. period. that is just as much for the safety of yourself as it is for the motorists and the law enforcement officers, as well as other protesters in the area.
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now, today is sunday. typically a day of rest and certainly a day of prayer. not much rest going on here although things have been relatively quiet. but i can assure you that as i always do, i am praying for the people of louisiana and for our country. and i would invite like-minded people to join their prayers to mine that we can all make sure that we move forward in a way that is nonviolent, that is peaceful and that we can make progress on so many fronts that are sorely needed. as i've said time and again, we're going to come out of this tragedy stronger and more united than ever. we have to if we're going to make a difference going forward. with that, i'm going to stop here and take a few questions, if you have them. yes, sir? >> governor, i wanted to find
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out whether or not in your briefings you've been told or has there been any sort of intelligence that suggests that there's some sort of coordination nationally among some groups of protesters through various cities, whether or not you have seen that and whether or not you fear there may be a gradual or at least an attempt to gradually escalate the level of confrontation between the police officers and the protesters? >> well, first of all, i'm not going to get too deep into the information we discuss in the briefing. there is so much information available out there that i can't tell you i haven't heard it because all you got to do is go online and you will see some of this for yourself. we have very little in terms of credible sources of information that would suggest that's likely to happen. but we are mindful that it is possible. we are also mindful that there are people who will -- from outside of louisiana who will seek to use this as a way to elevate themselves and their organizations, whether it's for recruiting purposes or whatever
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serves their particular purposes at the time. but at this point in time we're not especially concerned that there's an awful lot of coordination going on from outside the state. we are paying attention to that, however. >> governor? >> yes, sir. >> question, looking at the tactics used by the baton rouge police department last night and the amount of force and the way they were dressed and mistrust within the community, do you think that there's a better way that the tensions could be deescalated? and is it perhaps time for the louisiana state patrol to come in and maybe take over to create a calmer environment? >> well, first of all, you know, we continually re-evaluate what we're doing in light of the experiences we've had to see if there's a better way going forward. but the fact of the matter is i'm very proud of the law enforcement, the way that they have responded, the fact that we've had so few arrests that such minimal violence since the shooting incident.
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and you talk about the force last night. i'm not sure what you're referring to in terms of force from the police officers because everything that i can gather, and what i've seen myself is is their response has been moderate. and certainly it's in line with the situation. i don't believe that they are being overly aggressive. and in fact that's not bourn out in just looking at the statistics. either the number of arrests that are being made or the number of injuries to either protesters or to the law enforcement officers. and so while we always seek to do better, and we're not perfect, and we will do better, the fact of the matter is i'm very proud of the response that we've had so far. yes, ma'am? >> governor, and maybe some of the law enforcement leaders can field this question as well. given that this is going on for days now, what is the toll or
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impact on the various police departments, state police, baton rouge police department, and do you think you have the resources to go days more? >> well, first of all, i want to assure you and the other people in louisiana that we will do whatever is required, however long this may last, to make sure that we keep law and order, that people are going to be safe whether they're the general public or whether they're protesters or whether they are law enforcement officers. i will tell you that at some point obviously it becomes very taxing for law enforcement agencies -- >> breaking away from the briefing of louisiana governor john bell edwards, in praising also the peaceful protests that have been taking place in baton rouge, and also the actions of the police officers there in light of the protests that we've been seeing. and also say that violence will not be tolerated. i want to bring in now trisha rose, director at the center for study of race and ethnicity in america at brown university.
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as you were listening in to this conversation, you heard the governor here and echoed across violence will not be tolerated, we see the tensions and the divide and protests all across the country. when people say the rhetoric needs to change, dialogue needs to start to happen, initially, is that enough for it to change? >> well, it's not enough by itself. but it's very important what story we tell, what language we use to talk about inequality helps us move towards certain solutions. so the first thing we need to do with this conversation is to start acknowledging that there is serious structural forms of racism across society at large. we can all work together cross racially to solve them, but we can't if our story about the truth of that reality isn't told first. >> well, how can that happen? some people have that mentality we're seeing appear again, us versus them, cops are bad. >> yeah. >> how has that changed very quickly? >> i mean, very quickly you change that by police departments admitting that there is some real problems that need to be fixed. all cops are not bad, but if you
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stand behind the bad apples, if you stand behind a system that allows the mistreatment of an entire community, then you become indicted by your own silence. >> that's certainly a place where we can see, number one, the dialogue, the rhetoric change and even action as a result. thank you so much, trisha, i appreciate your time. apologize for cutting it short. thank you. and that does it for me this hour. i'm frances rivera here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. our continuing coverage of the tragedy in dallas continues next with my colleague ari melber.
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thank you for joining us as we continue to follow the latest developments out of dallas. i am ari melber and here at msnbc world headquarters in new york city. at this hour new information about the man who opened fire murdering five dallas officers in cold blood. investigators revealing what he left behind at the scene and his potentially deadly plans for further

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