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politico republican reported republican political operatives who are skipping it. ril ritter told politico, i would rather attend the public hanging of a good friend. donald trump said romney's convention in 2012 was boring. he promised he'll have a show biz feel to it. maybe with star power, at this point we'll have to take his word for it. kicks off in six days. we have no idea what's going to happen. that does it for tonight, we'll see you again tomorrow. it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnel. >> rachel, speaking of speaking at conventions, elizabeth warren scheduled to speak monday night at the democratic convention, does that take her out of the race for vp. >> monday night is not vp night, traditionally speaking. >> so do we move our bets around here? >> yes. >> really? >> they didn't have to tell people in advance, it's not like
they released a whole list, they let that part leak. so maybe they're trying to lower expectations around warren, i don't know. >> i'm not moving my warren bet, because i bet early on warren and nothing is going to get me to change, stubbornness. >> pride going for the fall, my friend. >> thanks rachel. >> thanks lawrence. president obama is at his best as a public speaker when he's reaching beyond policy to say something bigger about american life. particularly, the pain of american life in the face of national tragedies, that's when you hear him blend speech with sermon. he was at his best today in dallas saying things that no president before him would have been able to say. >> the people of dallas, the people across the country are suffering. >> too often we judge other
groups by their worst examples, while judging ourselves by our best intentions. >> these five men gave their lives for all of us. >> when the bullets started flying, the men and women of the dallas police, they did not flinch and they did not react recklessly. >> i'm in awe of our dallas police officers. >> i'm here to insist that we are not as divided as we seem. even those who dislike the phrase, black lives matter, surely we should be able to hear the pain of all of sterlings' family. >> we do not want the unity of grief or fear. we want the unity of hope and high purpose. >> we can decide to come together and make our country reflect the good inside us. may god bless this country that we love. [ applause ] >> this is the last word on campaign 2016.
we have had exactly one president who could comment wisely from his own experience on what happened last week in baton rouge, minnesota, and dallas. and that president did that today at a memorial service in dallas for the five police officers who were murdered there on thursday night by a mentally disturbed army veteran who was seeking revenge for black people who have been killed by police. before president obama spoke today, we got a short glimpse of what previous presidents could offer in these situations from former president george w. bush. >> most of us imagine at the moment called for that we would risk our lives to protect a spouse, or a child. those who are in uniform assumed that risk for the safety of strangers. they and their families share the unspoken knowledge that each new day can bring new dangers.
>> president bush's seven minute speech was a good speech that said nothing that anyone could disagree with. it was filled with properly placed sympathy for the police officers and their families that contained multiple references to god, and he spoke directly and movingly to the wives and children of the five officers who were killed. >> your loved one kind with you, time with you was too short. they did not get a chance to properly say good-bye, but they went where duty called. they defended us, even to the end. they finished well. we will not forget what they did for us. >> president bush in these short time that he had to speak did not mention the reason those police officers were working that night. he did not mention the protesters who those police officers were protecting. he did not mention the killings by police of alton sterling in baton rouge and philando castile that inspired those protesters
to take to the streets that night. he didn't use the phrase black lives matter, it is possible if president bush were in office and had more time to speak today, that he would have mentioned some of those things, but it is also possible that he wouldn't have because prior to the obama presidency, all presidential speeches in moments of national mourning took no chances. no president ever wanted to raise the possibility of any kind of disagreement over anything he said at such an event. no president was willing to take that risk, and every previous president spoke from the perspective of a white man in america. most of those presidents were elected before women had the right to vote. it is hard to find speeches from those presidents that even hinted out of concern for the women in america, or black people.
the best are first 43 presidents could do was empathize, empathize with black people. and most of them didn't bother to do that. when president obama leaves office, we will not see a presidential speech like we saw today for a very, very long time. it began with a spontaneous joke. president obama was introduced by dallas police chief david brown who quoted stevie wonder lyrics in his comments. >> chief brown i met michelle first because she loves stevie wonder. >> the president began by talking about each of the officers kill. michael smith, patrick, and brent thompson, he included
touching details about each one. and he did not shy away from the reason they were working thursday night. >> police officers across the country, these men and their families shared a commitment to something larger than themselves. they weren't looking for their names to be up in lights. they'll tell you the pay was decent, but wouldn't make you rich. they could have told you about the stress and long shifts, they probably agree with chief brown when he said the cops don't expect to hear the words, thank you, very often, especially from those who need them the most. the reward comes in knowing that our entire way of life in america depends on the rule of
law, that the maintenance of that law is a hard and daily labor, that in this country, we don't have soldiers in the streets or malicious setting the rules. instead, we have public servants, police officers, like the men who were taken away from us. that's what these five were doing last thursday. when they were assigned to protect and keep orderly a peaceful protest in response to the killing of alton sterling of baton rouge and philando castile in minnesota. they were upholding the constitutional rights of this country. >> the president offered
optimism, not from the presidential perspective of a white man who has never faced adversity, but from his own experience of progress in his own lifetime. >> i know that americans are struggling right now with what we've witnessed over the past week. first, the shootings in mn minnesota and baton rouge, the protests, then the targeting of police by the shooter here. an act not just of demented violence but racial hatred, all of it has left us wounded and angry and hurt. but, dallas i'm here to say, we must reject such despair. i'm here to insist that we are not as divided as we seem, and i
know that because i know america. i know how far we've come against impossible odds. i know we'll make it because of what i've experienced in my own life, what i've seen of this country and it's people, their goodness and decency as president of the united states. everyone was helping each other, one witness said. it wasn't about black or white. everyone was picking each other up and moving them away. see, that's the america i know. but police helped shitamia taylor as she was shot trying to shield her four sons. she said she wanted her sons to
join her to protest the incidence of black men being killed. she also said to the dallas pd, thank you for being heroes. and today her 12-year-old son wants to be a cop when he grows up, that's the america i know. >> joining us now, professor of law and history at harvard law school, also claxton, director of black law enforcement alliance and retired nypd detective. professor, the capacity that this president has to talk about these issues to weave them together, to not lose sight of why those officers were working that night. these are things we haven't seen in any kind of presidential speeches of this sort. >> well, as you said, he has a unique capacity to do it because of who he is, the first african-american president who has had, you know, a foot in the world of sterling and other --
the people who were shot as a black man and also a person who is the head of the country and has to speak to law enforcement and is a person who understands how important that is. he has to bridge that gap. he is perfectly suited to do that. his great rhetorical skills and his great sensitivity, what he's seen in his life has given him all the talent in his capacity to do this. >> he began with a personal comment about each one of the police officers who were shot. he never lost sight once the speech got underway of all of the various elements that were involved in this speech and the various audiences he was talking to. give us your reading on how well he did with the law enforcement audience that he was speaking to today. >> this was a brilliant presentation by the president. it was an honorable, decent, respectable memorial. he personalized each of the five victims.
those things resinate not only with the law enforcement community, but with the nation and to add on top of that, speech that is -- that was historic, yes, and necessary entirely that was wide ranging, that dealt with so many issues and make general appeal, not only to our humanity as human beings, not only to our humanity, but to our sensibilities, he spoke of things ha we all know, even if we don't -- if we don't admit them publicly, we all know these things. finally, it was a call to action. so it really was a very moving, touching and historic presentation by the president. >> let's listen to what the president said about "black lives matter". >> even those who dislike the phrase, black lives matter, surely we should be able to hear
the pain of alton sterling's family. [ applause ] whatever he cooked, he cooked enough for everybody, that should sound familiar to us, that maybe he wasn't so different than us so that we can, yes, insist that his life matters. just as we should hear, the students and coworkers describe their affection for philando castile, as a gentle soul, mr. rogers would deadlocks, they called him. and know that his life mattered to a whole lot of people to all races of all ages and that we had to do what we can without putting officers' lives at risk, but to do better than to prevent another life like his of being lost.
>> professor, you can imagine with any other white house, the notion of mentioning black lives matter in this speech memorial for police officers, everybody in the speech writing room would have been voting against it. he definitely -- he has help, people do drafts. >> it's clearly very personal to him. he understands this is an on-going problem, i mean, the murder of the police officers, the horrific thing, you can't lose sight of the problem that exists that brought them altogether, as you said, this is a matter of black citizenship. it's a matter of the constitution and something that's not just if the city of dallas, it's all over the country. it's a state versus citizen question and it's something that the president of the united states, executive, has to deal with. he can't shake that. you're right, he's in a position, he's probably in a better position more inclined than president's in the past. but it's something that he realizes that he just has to do. we can't like this horrific event take our eye off the ball
and understand that this is a huge problem. >> let's listen to what could be on the horizon for these kind of events in the future. the republican presidential nominee on to riley show talking about this tonight. >> it's a very very sad situation. and hopefully it could be healed. we have a divider as a president, he's the great divider. i've said it for a long time, it's probably not been much worse at any time. >> mark claxton, there you have an older white man, grew up rich in new york city of inherited wealth who says, it has not been worse in america than it is now. there are a few things he apparently doesn't remember. >> there's a lot that he doesn't remember, and there are many things he never learned. but it's quite clear that even in what mr. trump said there, there's a voice -- he's
uncomfortable with talking about the issue. what is the "it." what is the "it" that referred to? what made president obama's presentation today whether or not you agreed with any position, whether or not you agreed that he should mention philando castile and anton sterling and black lives matter, whether or not you agreed with it, you expect the commitment by forcing us to listen and to face some harsh realities that we often deny. >> mark claxton, thank you both for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, lauren. coming up, why philando castile pulled over. first police say a broken taillight. now police tapes tell a different story, we'll play that audio for you. bernie sanders joins forces with hillary clinton. he gives her the big endorsement today and donald trump had a lot to say about that, well, he had a lot to tweet about that. ♪ ♪
>> if you believe like i do that the president si -- presidency is sacred ground. i don't believe either one of the candidates fulfills that primary kind of objective, then i can't vote for either one of them. i can't vote for hillary clinton and i can't vote for donald trump and it breaks my heart. >> avid msnbc watcher donald trump reacted to that tonight. >> well, i watched and i actually felt badly for him. he's talking about upholding the constitution, but he doesn't uphold his pledge. he signed an irrevocable pledge.
if you read that pledge, it's a strong statement that he'll support the candidate, the nominee. and he has violated that, which means that he has signed something and he's totally violated. i don't need his support. i'm fine without his support, obviously. if i would have lost, i will tell you, i would have honored that pledge. >> up next, the bernie, hillary hug. not so much a hug. it was like an arm around each other, sort of thing, for a bit. finally, less than two weeks to go for the democratic convention and bernie sanders join these forces with hillary clinton, that's next. your car got rear-ended and you needed a tow. did your 22-page insurance policy say, "great news. you're covered?" no. it said, "blah blah blah blah..."
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congratulate her for that. she will be the democratic nominee for president and i intend to do everything i can to make certain she will be the next president of the united states. >> and so today senator bernie sanders gave up the secret service protection according to major presidential candidate. the scene of bernie sanders big win over hillary clinton, they did what runner's up for the nomination always do in these nominations, emphasize the policies he and the nominee agree on and remind his voters of the only alternative left to hillary clinton.
>> while hillary clinton supports making our tax code fairer and more progressive, donald trump wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the very wealthiest people in this country. >> senator sanders and i will spare no effort to make sure the people of america know that once again trump and his cronys are trying to pull the wool over our eyes and come back with the same failed policies that hurt us before. we're not going to let them get away with it, again. >> donald trump's first reaction was, as always, on twitter, he tweeted bernie sanders endorsing crooked hillary clinton by endorsing prowar protpp prowall street crooked hillary clinton. to all the bernie voters who want to stop bad trade deals and global special interests, we welcome you with open arms,
people first. joining us now two hillary clinton supporters former chairman democratic party and msnbc political analysts. senator davis, it was a long time coming, but it -- was there anything you were hoping for from bernie sanders today that you didn't hear? >> not at all, lawrence. i thought he did a remarkable job of pointing out the reasons why unifying behind hillary clinton is so important and i think he did it in a very robust way and made it clear to his supporters and to everyone in this country that he's going to throw his full weight and force behind hillary clinton and do everything that he can to bring his supporters along with him. >> howard dean, a personal moment here about your friend bernie sanders and fellow vermonter and something you've been through. today it was the -- it's
happened before today. it was coming to today, the plane came in for a landing. but, really, his life and life of presidential candidate is like being run by jet engines for months and months and months and sometimes longer than that. suddenly, very very suddenly, it stops. everything stops today for bernie sanders. he gives up the secret service protection. there's nothing left to the kand si of bernie sanders -- candidacy, how does he feel tonight. how does he go through the next couple of weeks. what is the emotional space he's in now? >> well, my guess is he goes back to vermont for a few weeks and takes it easy and do what i did, which is clean out my garage and all of the kind of stuff that i hadn't done. this is not the end of the campaign trail for bernie sanders, nor was it for me in 2004. i went out and campaigned like crazy. he got a lot out of this. he got a lot in that platform
that he wanted. i think he's done the country a great service and i think he's done the democratic party a great service. >> listen to what donald trump had to say tonight, especially to bernie sanders' supporters. >> today i see bernie sanders gave her sort of strange endorsement. i want to tell you a lot of bernie sanders people are so upset about it, they're going to be voting for trump. i really believe that. >> 85% of sanders' supporters will vote for secretary clinton, 9% say they will support trump, that's better than at this point in 2008 where 69% of clinton supporters said they would support president obama and 16% said they would vote for john mccain and then in the end, 16% really did for john mccain. the exit polls show that 16% of
hillary clinton primary supporters voted for john mccain. wendy davis, right now donald trump shows 9% of sanders' supporters, he's under performing john mccain on attracting democratic voters. >> no question about it. i think he's only going to go down from here, lawrence. i think what happened today with bernie sanders and hillary clinton was really symbolic of where we find ourselves as a country. a group of people who are coming together and understanding the importance of unity and facing someone who is very very devisive at a time we clearly need healing. i think we'll see a greater force of democrats and independence and hopefully moderate republicans coming together around the idea that we need to be a country that is
unified and in support of each other and we'll pull further away from those numbers you see saying they'll support donald trump right now. >> listen to something bernie sanders said on the stage which you don't usually hear. he was talking about how well he did and what he did in the delegate count, let's listen to this. >> our campaign won the primaries and caucuses in 22 states and when the role call at the the democratic convention is announced, it will show that we won almost 1,900 delegates, far more than almost anyone thought we could win. >> that's the one thing that people tend to leave out when they're doing this endorsement
of the nominee. >> i do think that normally you'll do what hillary did, is let it go and let it be unanimous and so forth. i've been to conventions where they've gone all the way to the delegate count and had to vote, and then some usually moves to make it unanimous. bernie's people are deeply committed. my attitude is, look, if this is what it takes to make them feel like they've done their best for the country, then they should do it. i don't -- i don't have a problem with that. all of this stuff has been negotiated out with bernie and hillary. i guarantee that was enthusiastic endorsement. i'm not at all worried about what's going to go on inside the convention hall. >> i took that, actually, to be a message of respect from the candidate to his supporters to show this is what you achieved.
he also made promises about going all the way to the convention. he had to, i think, today keep some of the air of that alive and credit his supporters with what they did. but we're out of the time for this segment, thank you both for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next in the war room, reading the clues, is elizabeth warren off the clinton vp list and who is donald trump going to team up. >> bill: 0 -- bill o'reilly, as usual, thinks he knows.
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senior trump sources told nbc news today that donald trump plans to roll out his vice presidential selection on friday at joint campaign appearance, according to interview with the "new york times," donald trump now says his short list of vp choices is "five candidates plus two, two that are unknown to anybody" okay donald, that's called a long list. short lists are shorter than that, like, two, three. tonight donald trump was joined at campaign rally by one of the candidates on his list, indiana governor mike pence. >> donald trump knows that the foundless potential of the american people awaits and we can make america great again. we must select this strong leader for one more reason, because hillary clinton must
never become president of the united states of america. to paraphrase the director of the fbi, i think it would be extremely careless to elect hillary clinton as the next president of the united states. >> in an interview with bill o'reilly, tonight, donald trump did not argue when bill o'reilly said that he bill o'reilly could tell that donald trump had already decided on either mike pence or newt gingrich. >> are people going to be surprised or is it one of the people that have been bantered around and predicted? >> well, bill, i'm not doing this for surprises or doing this for games -- >> okay. it's either pence -- >> help me get elected -- but also -- >> well 118 days left for the campaign war room, joining us tonight, steve mcman, veteran of governor howard dean, steve, first of the republican vp
choice, what do you see there? >> well, i mean, it does seem to be narrowing to a group that includes mike pence, who you saw just now, if that's the best material he has, i like elizabeth warren's chances. and chris christie who would be sort of doubling down on bravado, if you will. and, you know, and. >> newt gingrich. >> how could i forget newt gingrich. that's the code word that people are talking about right now. time magazine broke something that said those are the three that are sort of remaining. they seem to be the three most likely and plausible. i think chris christie, probably, he brings a lot in terms of like, you know, his campaign skills and his willingness to say anything and to kind of act like trump, but trump has said himself that he's interested in somebody with
washington experience and somebody who could help him navigate the government if god forbid he becomes president. i think that will give mike pence or newt gingrich a reallege. >> i don't think he has a chance. bridge gate is not over, he'll have to testify in two trials, a lot of pun dents seem to think it's over, it's not. chris christie knew all about bridge gait beforehand and christie has been lying about it. i've got to bet on pence as of tonight with the combination of washington experience that trump has mentioned and conservative background and a more conservative behaviorally conservative personal history, shall we say. >> let me just say about chris christie, since grij gate and since donald trump said that, he's gotten good at holding donald trump's coat and calling him mr. trump. those might argue for him inside donald trump's mind.
i do agree with you about mike pence, he's somebody who was in washington, head of republican policy group. he's thought by conservatives to be thoughtful, principle and conservative. he's not very popular in indiana, it will be a lot of republicans there that would be happy to see him sort of release his place on the ticket to mitch daniels who i guess would like to run for that job, again, so. there are some good arguments for mike pence. it does seem, though, that donald trump has a pretty close connection, newt gingrich is a thoughtful guy, i don't agree with him on much, he's a pretty good debater. he's quick with the one liner. mike pence to me, if you think about vice president as somebody who wants to be out there, making a case, making it persuasively, mike pence just, you know, watching that video tonight didn't seem to me to kind of convey that. but maybe he's got -- maybe he's got it in him, i didn't see him. >> what signal do we take about
elizabeth warren being listed as a scheduled convention speaker monday night. >> well, i think it could be head fake. i mean, remember in 1992, bill clinton decided, you know, he was a young relatively inexperienced governor from arkansas, and who would then double down on youth and experience by selecting someone like al gore, which is what bill clinton did, it worked brilliantly for him. i'm sort of with you, lawrence, i think elizabeth brings an awful lot to this ticket if she were selected. the fact that she's been announced as a speaker on monday night, i think could be a head fake of its own. she's very good. she gets donald trump's -- gets under his skin. and she would be a fabulous campaigner. i hope hillary clinton does it. >> it could be as simple as hillary clinton has not yet decided, so in the meantime, elizabeth warren is scheduled for monday night. steve mcman, thank you very much
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>> we are stronger together. >> and we vote for her. >> i'm going to wait until after the convention to make that decision? >> while donald trump is busy insulting mexicans and muslims. >> who is going to pay for the wall? mexico. >> walls don't have bathrooms and bathrooms are always tough. >> we have crooked hillary clinton as crooked as you get. >> stumping with trump in indiana in the final schedule running mate try out. >> we're ready for donald trump to be our next president. >> trump continues to stir up speculation about his pick. >> no decision as of yet has been officially made. >> how will you deal with disagreements you might have with donald trump? >> i haven't agreed with every one of my republican colleagues, i believe he represents the kind of strong leadership at home and abroad that will to borrow a
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stop cleaning. start swiffer ing has obtained police audio recordings that indicate why police pulled over philando castile. last week police indicated he had been pulled over because of a broken taillight. these police radio calls, not independently awe then kated by msnbc news. nbc news blake mccoy has the latest. >> oh my god, please don't tell me he's dead. >> in this video streamed live to facebook after philando castile was killed by police his girlfriend said they were pulled over for a broken taillight. >> you shot four bullets into him, sir. >> in new audio obtained by our affiliate but not authenticated, officers suggested a different reason. >> i'm going to check i.d. i have reason, they just look like
people that were involved in a robbery. the driver looks more like one of our suspects just cause of wide set nose. >> it is not just this family's loss. >> the castile family attorney is tv judge glendale judge. >> it tells me i'll see him in court. you pull over some i have a wide set nose. i mean, come on. and how does it change from a busted taillight to wide set nose. >> these pictures from a convenient store robbery two miles away show the suspect's police were looking for. this is castile. the attorney represent ago officer yanez confirmed details in the audio recording said he shot him because he had a gun, not because of his race. castile's girlfriend said they informed the officer of the gun and a licensed to carry, when the officer opened fire, her four-year-old was in the backseat. >> it's okay.
i'm right here with you. >> castile's mother, valerie, now plans to file a civil lawsuit. >> my son, abided by the law, he was killed by the law. >> today president obama called to offer his condolences. >> nbc blake mccoy. thanks. still ahead, ruth baiter criticizes donald trump and she gets criticized for being too political, too political? tell that to the supreme court justices who actually ran for president while still serving on the supreme court. ♪ ♪
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supreme court justice is being criticized for criticizing donald trump in monday's new york time. she said i can imagine with the country will be with donald trump as our president. today she told cnn he's a faker, he said whatever comes into his head at the moment. he has an ego. here is some of the criticism she faced today. >> it seems to me that it's totally inappropriate for a member of the supreme court to be weighing in on an american election. it raises the level of skepticism that the american people have from time to time
about jus how objective the supreme court is. >> it will be difficult for the american people to believe justice can be impartial, a verbal attack on donald trump only contributes to the public's feeling that the justice system may be rigged. >> justice did not cross a line in commenting on politics because there is no line. there is nothing that prevents a supreme court justice from commenting on politics or politicians. there's nothing that prevents ruth for running for president herself while still a supreme court justice. in 1866 he ran and lost. in 1868 and 1872 chief justice chase ran for the democratic nomination and lost both times in 1880 and '84 justin steven field ran for democratic nomination and lost both times. joining us now, paul butler, law
professor at georgetown university and former federal prosecutor. professor, mitch mcconnell saying it's totally inappropriate for the supreme court to be weighing in on american election, he seems to forget the reason john jay, our first chief justice left. while chief justice, john jay ran for governor of new york and lost and he ran for governor of new york again and won and that's why he left being our first chief justice, a lot seems to have been forgotten today. >> yeah, it sounds like the senator could use a history lesson. look, no one expects that supreme court justices should weigh in on every election all the time and, in fact, lower court, lower federal court judges do that. they get in trouble that's a violation, but that explicitly does not apply to supreme court justices. there's a reason they're called the supremes. in fact they express political points of view all the time.
justice lea went duck hunting and had a matter before the court during the state of union, justice olito could not disguise his disdain for president obama, shaking his head at him at some point. the issue isn't whether justices have point of views including about political candidates it's whether instead they can be fair, whether they can put those points of view inside and consider a case fairly and there's no reason to think that the notorious justice couldn't do that. >> and what is true, that in the modern custom that we've been seeing during our lifetimes, it is unusual for justices to make these kind of comments, but it is just a tradition, there's nothing written down that prevents them from doing it. i want to raise something to jeffrey, too, who does know a lot about the modern court and its traditions, what he said today that historically this isn't done, he means, of course, in modern history.
then he said if something like bush gore were to end up in front of the supreme court as a result of this presidential election, jeffrey said, i don't see how she can't rekuz herself. he would think she would have to recuse herself. >> that's not how it usually works. if one of the justices have a real conflict of interest, for example, she owns stock in a company that has a matter before the court, that's when they recusse themselves, she actually worked on the affirmative action case when she was at the justice department, that's a good reason to recuse yourself. there are no formal rules, i don't see why she'll have to
what a day. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. we are covering a big day in politics across the country. what a day it has been. president obama joined vice president joe biden and former president george w. bush at the memorial service for the five dallas police officers killed by an assassin last thursday night. i would say in all seriousness it was president obama's finest hour. let's watch a bit. >> i understand how americans are feeling. but dallas, i'm here to say we must reject such despair. i'm here to insist that we are