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tonight now over 80 people reported dead in a terrorist attack, a terrorist coverage co with brian williams. lawrence, thank you. we do indeed continue and it's been brought to our attention that this may -- may end up being the largest loss of life, the largest ever attack by a single terrorist, that really is dependent about what we learned about this individual, his ties, or lack of them, and who influenced them. also, what we learn about what was in the back of that truck, weapons experts who know french laws and customs are saying that things like granades, long weapons, which are so difficult to get in french society, may indicate a connection to some
larger gang. without delay, as our death toll has hovered around 80 in the latter portions of this evening, let's go to janet shamly, and she was already on the ground not far from niece and made her way into the city limits. janet, what you can report? >> bryan, i'm on the prom naena angla anglais, what people would call the marquee hotel of this area, it's a place where -- meets up with the beach and where a lot of americans come, and this is really where the truck was stopped and the gunman was killed. and i will tell you that promenade anglais, which is also open, expect for events like the fireworks of last night, has now been blocked off for at least a mile. maybe even longer. with such a heavy police
presence. not even allowed to walk out there, take photos, be on the telephone. they're still processing the scene, but will beond tell beyo scene, there are police cars and ambulances, and helicopters, have landed on the promenade anglais. i see what looks like military boats about a half mile, a mile offshore in the waters here, and it's -- you know, very early in the morning right now, but there are still a heavy presence here. and out on the street, when i was out there, and could get a look, it was obvious that they had not yet processed it, meaning that people's luggage and purposes, and bicycles and things left right where they were at, others had noted -- and it would seem likely -- that this truck was trying to go further down into the -- what's
called the palace mecina, which i would say the central point in nice, gathering area, but at the nagresco, where the truck ended up, bryan, there are -- this is a hotel that caters to a lot of americans, and you know, any loss of life is awful, but i would think there is likely a good chance there will be americans among the casualties because of where this happened. >> there was an earlier report from the u.s. consulate, the u.s. embassy saying they knew of no americans sadly there's dig brchs between that and the kind of accounting that has to happen after a long night turns into mourning. i know americans have been urged to check in with people, to let loved ones know they're safe and they're okay after this. janet, the scene you describe of this total shut down, especially
if these reports are true, this truck went on for over a kilomet kilometer, you have an enormous crime scene, you have evidence, personal effects, the shells from the rounds police fired, even things like tire tracks, skid marks from the truck barriers where it may have crashed through, that's an awful lot, and some of that probably had better weight for the light of day? >> yes, there's long process ahead here, and bryan, i wanted to tell that you i've seen a video that we're currently obtaining of -- from a gentleman -- he shot it with his iphone. he's italian. he was here with some friends and he was in the path of the truck as it came barreling through. he turned on his phone, and he played the video for me and it -- it's heart stopping. you see the police -- you see the gunman slumped over in the truck that he was driving
eventually, but you see the gunfire and at the end of it, a man -- he was wearing -- the gunman was wearing a helmet, i could see that, inside the truck. what's been described as a heavily armored truck with bomb-making materials inside, but that shootout that played out in front of the hotel, was just beyond belief, and i'm -- i think we'll have shavidthat vid shortly, but to see it like that and people falling and the aftermath, as well, it was just soul crushing. >> and something tells me, janet, that hearing these little bits and pieces of clues like an armored cab and helmet on the driver, and what was on board the truck, something tells me as horrific as it is, it was intended to yield an even larger loss of life?
>> and in the aftermath, this gentlemen's video, you saw just, you know, people scattered on the ground, and others going one by one, you know, just lifting their arm to see if maybe there was a chance that they were only injured. and it was just -- there were bodies everywhere. >> wow. families like those across america who went outside wherever they live to view the municipal fourth of july fireworks, this is no different, 14th of july, bastille day across france, a national holiday, we heard president hollande talk about its significance, talked about how restrictions on civil liberties, the kind of state of emergency that he was about to lift that he said in an interview today, he was about to lift, will now
be extended. janet shamly, who is starting her reporting was about to fly back from the states and has been rerouted, has made her way to the scene of the explosion. another witness is standing by to talk to us, terry clark, was sitting on the grass in the middle of the promenade. terry clark, i'm told, has lived in nice for 20 years. terry, take over the story with when you first knew something was wrong. >> i was sitting just outside the negresco in the middle of the promenade deanglais. there is a separation in the lanes. there was traffic today because it was a pedestrian zone and i was just sitting watching the firewor fireworks. the fireworks ended and lots of people were coming up from the beach, and just crossing the
promenade to get to their cars or to get home, and then just out of the blue, a big white truck just came speeding down and -- on the side i was sitting on, and went up on to the pavement and just kept zig-zagging down. i was just following with my eyes, the truck, and then when i looked back, i saw all of these bodies just on the ground just in front of me, and then everyone was screaming, and everyone was just, like, you know, get out of here because they were afraid there was bombs in the truck. so, we all just started to go to watch the center back from the promenade going to watch the train station in that area and it was just a sea of people, sea of people, and to just -- it was just me, him, and all the small
children screaming and terrified, and it was just -- it was unreal. i mean, i have never experienced anything like that. it was really, like, being in a war, it was horrible. absolutely horrible. >> terry, i said -- >> you're sitting there, having a nice time watching the -- the fireworks, and all of these little children, and families, and then this -- i mean, it's just -- it was just unbelievable. >> terri, i said explosion, and i meant the explosion of violence and i kept saying thank goodness there was nothing more than already happened there on that promenade, the terrific loss of life, the brave police action that it took once they realized this was no accident, to take the life of the
terrorist, the driver. and terri, to your last point, i often wo often wonder this, because we tell a lot of nice people like you who want to tell the story to us, do you think there's day of shock, maybe a half a day from now, you'll realize what it is you've been through when you see it on the front page of the newspaper? >> yeah, i think obviously. when i walked back across the road, it was like one or two meters from me, the bodies, you wanted to go to see if you could help, but at the same time, everyone shouting run, run, bombs, terrorists, and so i mean, you feel -- you don't know what you're doing. you don't know what you're doing. you just want to get away, but at the same time, you -- you wanted to go and help the people, but you were scared to cross the road and see if they needed help. but i mean, there were
absolutely no movement. they didn't look like real people. i mean t looked like dummies lying there. there was no movement. >> terri, i know you've lived in nice for 20 years but i'm going to say from your accent, you didn't start life there? >> no, scotland. >> okay. well, thank you, terri, cla cla very much for gathering yourself together, and the facts and your observations after a terrible, terrible night in nice and we're certainly happy you are okay, you and yours. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. and amon moydene is back with us in the studio, having just gotten off the phone, and listening to a heroing story of a witness that we are actually going to record on video for tomorrow morning's editions of the "today" show. repeat to us what he said.
>> a short while ago we managed to get ahold of someone who had some video content he filmed from where he was at the time of the incident and the account that he described for us was absolutely frightening. he picked up this incident at a point in which the white truck had already begun driving through the crowds, had already ploughed its way through the perimeter. at that point, he noticed the truck came to a stop. police surrounded the vehicle and he noticed that the driver inside the vehicle was attempting to use some kind of device, or trying to make a phone call what he described as a phone and that seemed was an intention to either detonate the vehicle, or some exclusive on him that. didn't work, according to this eyewitness, and at which point he began to shoot at the police and the police shot back at him. this was an account we were given by the driver inside who said, at one point, that time
the vehicle had already driven through this crowd, the initial plow-thre plo plow-through, if you will, he then, at one point, accelerated with the truck, a couple more meters, and continued that rampage and it was at that point, that police engaged in the shootout with him. he said that driver did shoot towards the police and the police shot back towards the front of the truck. that was an account given to us by a tourist, an individual we plan on interviewing and recording for our shows tomorrow morning. >> you've been around war zones and explosives and a lot of people are going to go to the thought, i can't believe nothing de detonated in the gunfire. >> the immediate thing that comes to mind is it was in the backs of the truck, and putting their aim towards the front
cabin and he was trying to detonate something in the attack, but if you're looking at the profile, of some of the things in paris and brussels and recently in istanbul, we know profiling involved two stages, one, they are either carrying the explosive device on them, or they have it in the back as we saw in brussels. they had in in their bags they wheeled in. if you look at what is emerging now, we have the french officials confirming there were explosives and guns in the vehicle. we have this account from this eyewitness who filmed what he described as an exchange of gunfire, as well as the driver attempting to do something in terms of what he described as a detonation, and you put those together and you can see that this could be consistent with the types of attacks that we've seen in the past. but you're absolutely right. it could have been a lot worse had this individual in fact managed to detonate what officials are saying were
explosives on that vehicle. >> and how about janet's couldn't from a witness that individual was wearing a helmet. >> and this individual knew he was going to come up against some resist skpeance and make se was prepared to get through whatever initial security perimeter that may have been put up on this road, and the helmet would suggest if he were going to get into a gun fight, he would have that one additional layto layer to protect him, to prolong this attack as long as he could. >> ayman the same security expert, said this was the largest loss of life from an individual terrorist ever, and it will be interesting to see if that bears out. also, called this truck an im o improvized weapon, and it sounds preverse, and too gragrandios, s
a 6,000 pound weapon of death and destruction. >> i spent sometime in iraq, and we have seen trucks of this magnitude, and cement trucks used to -- >> yeah. >> absolutely blow up hotels and buildings in baghdad. in war zones we have seen vehicle-borne improvized, vbid, v-borne improvized device. and we've seen the smaller use of vehicles as a weapon. it's not lost on us, the planes were high jacked and used as weapons. tactics have constantly been evolving and changing by terrorist groups. if you add the dynamic aspect of this particular attack, which is a vehicle with an a e-massailan
an attacker, this would have been something you can't even been to describe if an individual had been capable, de detonating an explosive device. it is something french officials warned about as recently as within the past 30 days, you had a french officials testifying in front of their french parliament, they participated militant groups would change their tactics and include vehicle-borne explosive devices. they were concerned about that very specific threat, bryan. >> and given experienced eyes, we played the video tonight on live television for jim cavenau, our expert from tobacco and firearms. and, jim, you took one look at the video and said the lights aren't on in the truck. >> well, yeah, he's trying to do what ayman said, he's using the truck as a weapon, and he may
have had some sort of bomb in the back. you know, your discussion there with ayman and the reporting just before, that he was going to -- was trying to dial a cell phone, trying to dial a cell phone could be -- it's very common in the middle east, and around the world for terrorists to use a cell phone as a trigger. so they plant a receiver, a cell phone inside the bomb, they rig it up to an electric detonator and when they dial the phone t detonates the device. it could be in the back of the truck as we're surmising, and that's a very good guess, we should be suspicious of that. the bomb squad has to take it out, but it also could be another location. also, he could be calling, you know, trying to call someone to claim credit, 911 if you will. we don't know the answer to those things. he had the lights out. he slowed down. the motorcycle cop was next to him. it's like a whale and there are
a couple dolphins. they're not stopping the whale. it's too big and it's going, and he had this open area to just wind through the pedestrians. the way to stop that truck is never let the truck get there in the first place. you have all the barricades in front of the government buildings a truck can't go through. there's steal, special ramps. the trucks can't get through. this event is temporary, but there's still ways and the french police and military know how to do it, we know how to do it, to make certain barricades and obstacles so you can't get through. it's too late once it's through. if it makes you a mile and a half to stop it, that's why you have so much carnage. you have to rethink these things when you having a giant national event, when you're in the middle of a war with a terrorist group, you're announcing your aircraft
carrier to go after them. there's a lot of reasons to secure this area against a vehicle this large. nobody should mess with the french military. they've been fighting wars for a couple thousand years and when they get into it deep, it's going to be a lot of military tactics and strategy going on, as well. and it looks like they're really going to get a little bit it a little bit deeper. >> jim cavanaugh, we also appreciate your advice and council. we're going to take a break. when we come back, we're going to check in with cal perry on what he is learning and seeing from social media, and former cia director jim woolsey has joined us in our new york studios, that and more when our live coverage continues. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle?
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we are back. very difficult to use exact numbers as they're still in the hours after this attack. they're awaiting the first light of day. many of the bodies have been covered with simple white blankets, but because it is a crime scene, they're waiting for some specialists to arrive, an absolute horror of a scene. along the promenade, along the mediterranean seashore in nice, where the death toll is hovering around the number 80. our journalist from france, covers the white house, as a member of french media, has been
so helpful to us, sadly because of terrorists attacks in france, and laura, knowing i have former cia director woolsey out here to talk after you, any security issues you raise, perhaps we can toss to him. >> yes, absolutely. the problem for the french people now is the following one, what's going to happen next. in the past two years, you had multiple attacks, and there's theory among the intelligence people, that are now saying the french democracy is like a bull, an animal, and that isil is trying to do multiple wounds to this animal to make it bleeding until the animals dying. so, there were, again, multiple attacks in the past year, people
are extremelyresilient, but this attack is extremely violent, and extremely shocking. it was a nice of celebration, with families coming to watch the fireworks. people had the sense of, okay, it's the beginning. summer, it was a very difficult year, and now we're going to enjoy the beginning of the summer, because as you know, in france, summer is so important. and it was this attack, the 47 press is n french press is saying it was the massacre, probably the toll is going to be extremely high, people are confirming that you might have between 90 and 100 dead, and also, a lot of kids have been injured, and i spoke with some people earlier in the evening and they described how they were hiding when the truck
arrived. they went to the water with their kids to protect their kids. some of them went to the beach where they saw mattresses and they went under the mattresses, or they went to the restaurant. there was a massive panic movement. so, it was absolutely traumatic for the people of nice. nice is under siege and people are going to wake up, they're going to see the french president coming, but they're also going to want some explanations and what's happening next in this country, in the fight against terrorism, and with the threat with this terrorists threat, which is now constant. >> and laura, you've spent enough years in this country to answer this question. it is while the historical underpinnings vary greatly, the bastille day in france, is so much in the way families celebrate it, is so much like our fourth of july.
in fact, i was reminded tonight, at least 30 american cities have their own bastille day celebrations because of french roots and population and simply tradition. >> it was very well planned and it's something that in my opinion, we should emphasize about the choice of the dead. it was, again, something extremely well organized. a truck, which arrived, to inflict casualties, and the death was extremely important because the 14th of july in france is the symbol of the celebration of democracy, liberty, fraternity, a very important democratic values. so, the dead was not chosen because we're going to do that today, it was chosen because was it the symbol of some democratic values, important to the french society, and it was also chosen
to inflict mass casualties because almost all the city of nice was there watching the fireworks, and, again, it was like, as you pointed out, by people in america, watching the fireworks on july forth. >> laura haim, thank you. as always, all of this brings us to ambassador jim woolsey, former cia director under president bill clint on. ambassad ambassador, where to begin? laura compare today to multiple wounds against the french democra democracy, as if it was a bull, an animal. another friend of mine texted me tonight, any chance we can crank the manhattan project back up again. people are angry, and they're raw, and wounded, and i want to hear you out on what we're facing. >> and i think they're scared, and it's -- there's disjunction between the threat we face, and
our response. they are at war with us. isis is a theaccuratataric, and to be a bigger caliphate, in areas such as the places it used to completely control, such as spain, and part of france. and it is just totally in favor of destroying us in every way that it can. and it -- one thing that happens with these terrorist attacks is it increases their recruiting because as bin laden once said, people see a strong horse and weak horse, they like the strong horse better. if 80 people get killed, it increases the forces for isis. and we on the other hand are treating it sometimes like a crime with all the procedural rights and so forth, that accused criminals had, and
sometimes we regard it as more serious than that. but the president won't call it a war. he won't say it's muslim terrorists. he -- there is just a disjunction between the seriousness and our response. i thought 9/11 would end up being the pearl harbor of this more or less fourth world war. it hasn't really turned out much that way, and we have a lot of things that we should do, if we admit that we're at war, and we can win it, but we can't win it by fiddling around. >> we've already spent a lot of blood and treasure in pursuit offen of ancilary aspects overseas.
god forbid a thousand times what do you do with a young man with a bad idea driving through times square tonight who wants all the glory and honor conferred on this guy and wants to measure up? >> we're going to have to stay alert to those sorts of possibilities. they exist across the board. i don't like the phrase lone wolf. i think a number of these people are motivated in part by relatives, by friends, by social media, all sorts of things, but they're not usually acting alone. and we are in the situation where we're going to have to protect ourselves here, and we're going to have to take some very tough steps if we want to make sure we destroy isis, and we -- we have to do that. there's not a halfway house. >> when people ask you why france, what's your answer?
>> there's several reasons. one is france has a special negative place in a way in the hearts of the extreme radical muslims, because in the century, it was a part up to that level, of geography, it was a part of the muslim empire, and from their point of view, all of spain spain, part of france, any part that was once part of the caliphate, is still part of the caliphate, they just need to implement it. there's that, there's the fact france is a major spokesman for democracy in the world and rights of individuals and that runs a vile of isis' thinking. france is a secular country, so it does things like not let muslim women wear veils and that producin produces tension. but generally, the thing about
fran france, is they're being punished for being real backers of democracy in the real of law, and isis seeing that as what they health anything more than anything else, democracy and the rule of law. >> do you think the next generation will have it worse than all of us? does it make it more challenging? >> we have to win in syria and iraq. we can't just do a little bit of bombing here and there. when we in the clinton administration went after melocovich because of trying to wipe out the kosovars, we flew hundreds for months and months, and there's bill clinton avenue, in prestina. we did it right. we can't fiddle around the way sometimes we have. we've gotten a bit more
effective. we haven't really taken the gloves off, and we have to win there, and we have to win at home, and they're related to one another, at least philosophically. >> where do you stand on what's been called the single-bullet theory, that absent if we could get as-aad out of the picture? being of the lives and deconstruction as much as we're not supposed to discuss such things? >> he'd be very high on my list of people if i were advising the president about the drone strikes but i don't think that is close to being an overall solution. we -- it's -- these structures are not so high arc cal, if you get one guy at the top, you've one. they just aren't like that. they are idealogical. they are theo-ocracies, and the
believe ala wants them to do this. >> and a final question because the hour is late, you've been kind to come in. the good people watching at home tonight who are horrified by these pictures who can't help but think about these families, compare it to the lake front in chicago, the east river in new york, los angeles, on fourth of july, what can they do? what can a person in this country do? how can they change their thinking or their actions? >> i think if they know any muslims in their community, this will be one emossed very heavily by what happens to the real musli muslims, people not involved in politi politics, involved in their religion, and appalled by the violence, there really has to be a consolidation, and set of purposes for them to stand up for democracy and the rule of
law, and there are places where that occurs, but we need them, and we need them to -- to take more of a lead than they have so far. >> are you happy you're not running the cia these days? >> it wouldn't -- it would be fascinating these days, but it would certainly be an awful responsibility. i take my hat off to those who have taken over. >> ambassador jim woolsey, thank you for offering your thoughts. quick break, we'll be back with some other correspondents and contributors.
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scene where at least 80 souls lost their lives to a single, as far as we know -- a single terrorist at the wheel of a large white lorry, a kind of -- smaller than what the 18 wheelers we are used to seeing on the interstate, but a large wheel-based truck, containerized, and yet to be found out exactly how armored that cab was. cal perry is in the newsroom, just behind us here in new york, and sweeping various social media and the news wires for anything new. cal? >> you haven't seen the video is so horrific in this case, the way that people were killed is so horrible that the video that we're showing our viewers now is about the extent that we can, at this moment, until we get new video. i can tell you that ambulance
drivers as they arrived at the scene, the beach had been declared a mass casualty you zone, were getting very upset because there were not many wounded. there are 18 people in critical condition. the health minister is at the hospital now, but it gives you an idea how brutal this attack was. i want to mention last month -- and we've talked a lot about the people of france becoming a little bit more at ease, the security officials have not been at ease. there was a police officer be headed in france. the bastille days in the french embassy were called off today due to some security threat. so this is clearly something that french authorities maybe were not anticipating but were certainly on the lookout for. social media has snapped into gear as you would imagine. there's an s.o.s. page that has been put out, reaching out to people who may be looking for loved ones who are missing, and the s.o.s. page is constantly
updating when someone is found. and i'll leave you this brian, this is grand central station lit up in the colors of the french flag. >> look at that, down park avenue n fro avenue, in front of the met life building. and cal, one of the subpoints of what you just said, social media can be used for such good, and it's -- it's heart-stopping to look at the page of the missing. very gratifying when they are marked found, alive and well. the other thing is, we try to exercise great discretion when choosing the video we put on the air. obviously people know that it's a -- it's a wide-open marketplace on social media if you must see what's on there, there are gruesome scenes tonight that simply aren't fit for a family audience. >> tonight was especially -- and still especially difficult on
two the fronts, one the images. a lot of children out with families. a lot of empty push chairs in the street. the other thing that happened tonight was bad information. there was a lot of bad information flowing around, a hostage situation in nice. there was no hostage situation. a fire at the eiffel tower. there was no fire at the eiffel tower tower. it show says you a country on edge and highlights the good and bad of social media that people can run with these rumors and sometimes panic is one of the worst things that can happen. but, to your point, the images tonight have just been very, very difficult and at times uncensured. certainly if you want to go look, you can find them, but we're not going to engage in showing the brutal way that these people died tonight. >> people who have been with our coverage for hours have seen a rep tissu tissue of some video.
this is all we have agreed to air just because the alternative is unacceptable. one note from this evening, newt gingrich, who in the political world, came down to the final three, in the donald trump vice presidential selection process said this tonight, we should frankly test every person here who is of a muslim background and if they believe in sheria, is incompatible with modern muslims who have given up sheria. perfectly happy to have them next door, but we need to be fairly relentless finding out who our eny iemies are. anybody who favors isis, that should be a felony and they should go to jail. any organization which hosts such a web site should be engaged in a felony. it should be closed down immediately. kevin baron is with us,
executive editor, defense one, and an msnbc national security and military analyst. kevin, how does that strike you to hear a statement like that? >> i saw when it came out a little while ago on the tweets. it is quite striking from someone especially of newt gingrich's stature. it's basically a call for thought police in this country, where you're allowed supposedly to have any idea you want, that's -- that's really out there, and with the news of the day, and jeux deposed to -- i don't know, it's quite striking. >> especially since in the course of our work, you and i go on web sites that he described all the time. it's not to express support of a terrorist organization, but it's sometimes the only way you can learn anything about specificity, and anything about the on sophistication of their
media operation. >> yeah, and it's -- you know t seems like a pretty fearful policy recommendation, i guess if you want to call it that, to try to sift out every muslim you can. i don't know how that could be done if you want to get real about it as a government program to try to sort through one by one, some sort of, you know, loyalty test, which is what it sounds like. it's quite interesting. i will just say, i think compare that to some of the statements of this country doing enough and what needs to be done, and even what director woolsey said earlier, your viewers and the public should realize and remember just how much the u.s. has changed and has done since 9/11, and even since the last two years. there have been over 10,000 air strikes against isis. there have been massive recruitments and expansions of law enforcement of homeland security, intelligence officials, and there's calls for more of that now. there is an enormous war effort going on from the homeland to
the middle east and around the world. that's -- all that said is not going to stop an individual raised in france, born in france, perhaps to take a truck and drive through their independence day celebration and kill as many as they can. that is a behavioral, cultural, global problem, but that's -- it's just so far removed from the dialogue that we're having in the united states about sealing off borders, and loyalty tests, and a lot of other ideas. really seem to be grasping at straws, and with perhaps leaders like our own who are so frustrated in wanting the attacks and killings to stop. >> and kevin, the other god for bid a thousand times question is how do you stop that individual with a truck and bad idea, in boston, washington, new york, los angeles, kansas city, and so
on? >> l that's rig >> well, that's right. we said there's range of ways, and there are a range of points of attack, or if you want to call it that law enforcement officials ranging from intelligence of, you know, where they look at line, and who their associates are, all the way too prote to protecting a venue, and like the promenade in nice. this is not the gathering place, the national mall for the fireworks show. this was one city's local area. so, short of having every city around the world have massive barrier walled off, metal detector, required entry points, for every type of largelarge-sc event, it's going to be the citizens who decide for themselves, do you want to put yourself in possible danger, that's easy to think of, should i go to times square on new year's eve, versus am i okay to
watch down to the beach on july 14th when i'm in nice? >> we also have not celebrated enough the slow-motion victories that have happened in our country, number one, we have a lot of former dismounted infantry, who have cycled back into the society, man y of them are in jobs they keep the domestic public safe. number two, our taxpayer money has brought a lot of technology, not all of this great or implied but some of it good at keeping people safe, and number three, the most basic interface with potential terrorism. police officer on the beat in every major city knows you see a truck or a van parked, seems to be riding low on its suspension, that's kind of calling card number one. seeing some, say something, we're a whole lot better at that now at so many different levels. >> oh, absolutely. we are a culture changed
already. and what we are concerned with here in the united states, is much different than what europe is concerned with. the difference being we have the ocean still, and it is very hard for someone who wants to harm the united states still to get into the borders from abroad and has been more difficult over the last ten, 15 years. in europe, it's a little bit easier because of the land mass and the refugee crisis. the similarity, homegrown terrorism, and inspired terrorism, and whether it's the form of an individual shooter who may or may not be a terrori terrorist, or hate crime perpetrator, with the gun and gun violence, or someone like this evening, using a truck as the means, it gets down to the behavior of the individual, the culture around those individuals, to identify them, to stop them, to prevent them from either wanting to be terrorists in the first place, that's really where domestic homeland security, counter terrorism officials have started
to shift with their thinking. they're really much more interesting, not just to seeing some, say something, but preventing it to begin with. >> i guess i'm casting about for blessings on an awful dark night, and the old expression, rather be lucky than good, i think we've been a mixture of both and we certainly hold that holds here and around the world. kevin, thank you for sticking around. another break, we'll be right back. it'sand your doctor at yoto maintain your health.a because in 5 days, 10 hours and 2 minutes you are going to be 67.
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we are back. these pictures are being taken live for us by correspondent janet shamlian of first light in nice, france, and when we talk about the stark beauty of that mediterranean coastline, and contrast to the violence at the end of the fireworks shore, that's what we're talking about. it's going to be a -- a beautiful day in nice, france, and it's going to be part of the darkest time in the modern era of that city. and patient waiting to us former fbi special agent, former head of homeland security out in the state of california, terrorism expert, and director of the homegrown violent extremism studies program at u.s.c. you've been listening to our coverage tonight, first of all,
what from your professional life, is it that you want to say to folks who are sad, worried, concerned, and just flat-out tired of stories like this, and events like the one we're covering tonight? >> thank you, brian. first of all we have an ad aptive adversary, and soft targe targets, and what you're seeing is another opportunistic chance, using a weapon, having a firearm and using explosives and driving it into innocent people, probably a person that's going to be homegrown. france has the same problem that we have with regards to the attacks last january at charlie hebdo, the attacks in brussels, and in the united states were all homegrown individuals.
within our cases, no foreign fighter experience or direction, and it's very tragic that, as we keep throwing out counter measures, they keep adapting and trying to prove they can be effective. >> and errol, we're always going to have trucks and soft targets, ie, people. there are crowds of them on a warm summer night walking on the sidewalks outside this building, rockefeller plaza in new york. so, what do we do about the combination of those two when you add the explosive of a single driver with a bad motivation and a bad idea? >> well, the only thing we can do is reduce the risk of that happening with hard barriers, and controls in the way of cascading sertentine barriers there and just be watchful. i'll be in israel where these
attacks are common. it happened 38 times, 36 last year alone, and people understand they have to be watchful, they have to be vigilant and they really have to become the fabric of the security that we're asking for. there's no longer a notion of a first responder. we're all first responders and once we understand the concept, we'll be able to look out for each other. as you ask the question, a person on a mission in a crowd is nearly impossible to stop. >> yeah, you take the people walking on melrose tonight in los angeles, the people walking on fifth avenue. it was fashion abable about 15 years ago to say we're going to become israel and in many ways we have borrowed a lot from them, a lot from the use of imagery, electronics, smart cameras, in urban areas. n.y.pd. has permanently signed members in israel.
we can't put jersey barriers up along all of our thoroughfares. we can get smarter and use smarter technology, i guess. >> yes, we can and we have to understand there's human elemen. this individual probably alienated to a certain degree, embraced undoubtedly some ideology. but there's an enabling community attached to these people. every terrorist has a family, whether it's biological or a social network. we'll find out more about him, whether or not this had a command and control element to it. but there is a community out there that's pushing this agenda and this ideology and that's the only way we're going to thwart these plots is to get into that group and stop these things from happening and have people report to thwart more plots. >> thank you very much, sir, for joining us for our coverage tonight and for being patient with us. i appreciate it. harold suters with us from