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>> yes, we can. and we have to understand there's a human element here, this individual probably alienated to a certain degree, embraced undoubtedly some proba alienated to certain degree and embraced undoubtedly ideology, there is a community that's attached to these people. every terrorist has families whether it is biological or social network. there is a community out there that's pushing this agenda and this ideology and that's the only way we'll go towards these plots is to get in to that group and stop these things from happening and have people report. >> thank you very much for joining us for our coverage tonight and for being patience with us. i appreciate it. for those just joining us, it is
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midnight now in the east, 6:00 a.m. as mourn dawn on the city of nice, france, last night was the scene of fire works for their 14th of july, bastille day, a national holiday, it has ended of a death toll around 80 souls with about 50 more injured. a lot of the deads are members of families, they sadly include little children because that was the nature of the gathering, the nature of the crowd. here until our studio, we continue to watch along with us, what do you make of the last couple conversations we have had while you are a young man, you are a veteran of the conflicts of of what you witnessed in the middle ea
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middle east. the reality of regime continues to perpetuate in the middle east and why those two are connected. if you are look at our theme that we are hearing of all of our guests throughout the night including the last segment of the profiles of these attackiea, some are describing them as young and ill naalienated, all those are valid questions. at the end of the day, there is a reality and there is a death toll and a swamp of this ideology that exists. you look at the region where so much of this violence has taken
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place on a daily basis, the libya of the world and the iraqis of the world. this middle east is struggling just as much as anyone else or if not even more. if you just put in the last month between beangladesh and iraq and istanbul. all of them had been stricken by the attack. the governments of those parts of the world continue to struggle to push meaningful reform. you were talking of the former director of the cia who's talking about what it takes to defeat this ideology. there is a lot that comes up on the shoulders of what the u.s. can do in western allies in terms of military campaign and resources and security at home. i have not heard anybody this even talks about what needs to be done to push those societies to create more political
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plurality so that this ideology cannot continue to be the most dominant force coming out of that region back onto your society here in the west. >> we are at war. i don't know what else to call this and while it may not feature beach landings or air sti strikes that we are allowed to see and while it maybe under slow motion, i don't know what other name to call it. >> this is a war. the danger though is this is a war of civilization and this is something that isis wants. if you take the words of former speaker o f the house newt gingrich, this is a civilization war. that is narrative that isis wants and extremists of that part of the world wants. it allows them start saying to those individuals around the
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world that maybe feeling i alienated. this is where that fight is going to happen. forget the religious dimensions of the comments that were made of newt gingrich. from a practical point of view, i don't think gingrich is not an expert of this law. who are you going test and when you ask an individual, do you abide by the law? the person that's intent of harming you is going to answer truthfully, well, actually i do believe in the law and therefore i am going to be deported. the profiles of the type of attacks that we are seeing. there is a lot of questions that are being asked right now. this is a serious situation and that's frustrating on so many levels that we are seeing it over and over. as we are hearing from the cia director, you had in a situation like this where france constantly using the terminology
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of islamic terrorism. that did not prevent them from being attack. they are still in attack. you are asking me of the 15 years being a journalist covering the middle east, i see the same regime practicing the same tactics and adding more frustration to young people that is in some way retarding a religion and more so creating this drive for terrorist groups like isis and others to thrive and existing of ideology of more and more people. >> one young man's view of the state, he happens pto be a veteran o f the region. i mention shannon has made her way to nice france and started her foothills nine or ten miles
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outside of town. >> janet, this maybe the quietest morning along that promenade for a horrible reason. >> reporter: absolutely, brian. usually, it is 6:00 in the morning here. people are running and they're walking and it is never really silent here on this boulevard. people are definitely out at this point. i am going to turn it around to give you a better view and there it is, as you describe, it is just so glorious and this is about how it looks every morning in the summer. this tranquility shattered by what has happened year. i am at the negresco hotel and where you are looking at is 30 feet from the right of the frame where the truck was. it stopped in front of the
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hotel, i cannot give you that perspective. if you see that stoplight right there about 30 feet to the right of that. if you look out the into the water, you see the white -- it is hard the see from that point, i can see over turned bicycles and somebody's luggage and what you would describe as evidence here that they'll be processing. they will not let anybody out of the promenade. they are still processing the scene right here. they have shut down this down brian of a long stretch of this beautiful, bueautiful stretch o the mediterranean. >> janet, it is not going to be hard for you to see and encounter americans. i also imagine it is not going to be hard to find people who are in a state of suspended animation and walking shocked
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for what they have seen and been through and god forbid if they are looking for someone. >>. >> reporter: when i got here a couple hours ago, the negresco hotel lobby was full of people absolutely in shocked and the hotel brought down blankets and just sort of staring and they did not look injured or looking for anybody. they were just in shocked. i think that we'll start to see a lot more videos. i described one to you earlier about the truck taking gunfire from police. the gunman in the front wearing a helmet with his head, that helmet is looking slumped over the top of the dashboard and my guess is as people who flood the scene wake up this morning and realized all this has happened that we'll get a better idea of how it unfolded from all those
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videos that surely were taken. >> janet in front of her balcony, again, it is an incongruity, the words were speaking, don't match the pictures we are seeing. sun rise, that's the mediterranean, that's the french coastline, not far from the border of italy. some of the most beautiful coastlines on earth where the latest and awful terrorist incidents has happened over night. >> janet, thank you we know you have get to your reporting for tomorrow morning our time and the additions of the today's show and addition of msnbc over night. >> steve klcle clemons and now see him on our camera. steve, your thoughts of your last conversation educated by the things we have learned about this. >> well, brian, i think the
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things that go to everyone's mind, i was moved listening about what do you do and how do you begin dealing with the problem that you have in society and in a way that does not aggravate and make this worse. i think it is a very tough question if this turns out to be the kind of terror that we fear it maybe. i think that one of the things that we need to begin looking at is what is really a kind of global industrial level radicalization and ask ourselves how it is happening. i was looking at the numbers today of foreign fighters that have gone to fight with isis that have gone into syria and iraq, who are now many of whom have gone back to their countries and gone there. the scale is staggering. we talk about the numbers of people and they sound large, we have not looked at the fact that how has so many primary young
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men been alienated or hijacked by an ideology that they are willing to trigger into actions potentially of that's what it is of what we have seen tonight. no easy apps but we need to throw resources in a way that we never had before because it is global and as isis is rolled back, they have extensively, they are preparing to tell their people that they may actually lose grounds and mosul and territory and they're calling on their followers to take action all over the world and creating incidents of what we are seeing unfolding. we need to get our heads around in a way that our society has not done yet. >> when it is done for good, it is called a force multipler. in this case, it chills the blood. >> absolutely, i think you and i in the past have talked about this and we are going incident
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to incident. when i was in brussels moments after the bomb had gone off at the brussels airport and people are look at it and we have seen istanbul after that and we saw what unfolded in bangladesh and incidents of the united states in belgian and other places. when you begin to look it up, these are not silo events. we need to be looking at the situati equations of what this is happening. i agree with with amin while many are drawn in connected actions, that's absolutely not to way. there is a problem in my view of an alienated youth that's hijacked by a horrific code to go out and murder in a way that we have not seen in mod teern
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times. this is something that should not be happening in modern time ech that's what i am fearing are happening. nice is paradise for many, many people for this time of the year. we are seeing places of joy where families coming together and really be comfortable if what used to be a high trust world and a high trust world is being under minded by fears. we'll have a high fear world and that's a dark place to live. >> we don't want to relitigate the past nor can we change it. where are outline the theory where americans sponsored gulf and the tactics there in had been the biggest recruitment tool. >> i think many of my muslim friends and arab muslim friends
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belief the believe their lives are chief in the eyes of the west. that becomes a frame through which many either tried to agitate positively for a change or agitating negatively and violently for a change. in the middle of that, because in part of actions of others taken into the region is that you have dynamics many my view of the distrust and paranoia of many zunis for the rides, not of americans or europeans but iranians and shae in their minds of creating an attention of a conflict and a paranoia of each other, that'll drive forward. while we may see french people and other international dying in this particular case, in my view is incredible battle within the region that's animating this
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violent and all these other places. until that driver -- in the 1950s, if you are a student of foreign policy, you can imagine great leaders coming together, you know, the first place to start is to get the shoutties near the iranians and what are they animating against each other. at some level, that's what is driving young men are doing at the airport and bombing and killing. it is connected at a level to the paranoia of these two sides of islam. >> i want to bring in emmit with us. the first contact was one of our guests saying this was such a cheap delivery system of an attack that taken so many lives. the name of islamic terrorism, second steve's point, the view
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by the young people in the region that their lives are considered cheap by the united states and western power. >> you only have to look at recent evidenents to see the community, it is something that manifests itself in many different ways. >> you have the terrorists attack killing in baghdad and the attack in bangladesh and the worn wor western world. >> they rul chiming on different responses. >> now, all of that reenforces a point that steve made which i totally agree with having spent so much time in the region of the middle east, the perception of what is taking place in the middle east is both a cheapness of the loss of lives there but also a double standards and an issue of values. we talk about values that
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matters to the western world. the lack of those value fls ts middle east and what we are doing to suppress those values. not to harp on this point that white house brought by newt gingri gingrich. you look at countries like saudi arabia which is critical. saudi arabia has been involved in a war in yemen against uranium proxies. it is not given driven out of values that we support the saudi arabia government. the perception among the young men who are involved in these ideology. open society are not necessarily practiced in any part of the middle east. people look at that and they say
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this is something driven out of pure interest and not by value. the ideology becomes easier to recruit and easier to get extremist buying into this narrative of what's taking place in the middle east of many of these regimes and governments, it is based on their interests and their interests don't lie on these regimes. and exploit them with the ideology that your life does matter. it may not matter in our country but it does matter. if you become apart of our ideology, go out and latch out against the countries that are supporting these regimes, back off >> mr. clemons, last word on the topic. i think we got think these through. as we learn more of this particular incident, as we prepare for the next incident
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where no doubt will happen, we need to begin to connect the dots here saying what is going on and inside the region of such radical violent behaviors is something that we need to throw resources and attention at and it is not one that you can kill your way through. it is a different piece that we really need to get our head around it. it reaches a levels of terror in our society, look at what happens in baghdad and what aimen just said, we need to basically detoxify this. it is going to be a story that we are at late night, many, many days ahead. >> yeah, that i fear a lot as we grieve for the victims in this, yet another act of terrorism. thanks very much for being ashe patience with us.
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we are back and we are going to show you a clip that needs a little set up and explaining. this aired on french media. this is a witness who you will hear describing and we have edited for content just because some of the initial details were entirely too gruesome and you can imagine the rest. you will hear him describe what he witnessed in english, you
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will hear a lot of french being spoken, his words are being translated back into french and original french television audience. >> with that said, here is one witnesses' account from tonight. >> he was moving and fighting like this. >> i saw him like holding something like a cell phone. [ inaudible ] >> yes, of what we heard. >> in one second, i saw him taking out his gun. no -- no, a gun. >> and then even though i was too naive to think that someone is protecting him from the other side. defending him on the other side. >> exactly. >> until i saw the police --
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[ inaudible ] >> we were in the middle of the gunshot. a lot is going on there, this is what we are finding. depending on where in the crowd d where along the deadly journey of that truck. people encountered the scene. part of the story there is he thought it was a phone to call an ambulance that it had been a freak and terrible incident. he figured other things were going on. though people's minds are rushing to interpret, what it is thafr just witnessed and the gun, we new year's eve and our expert have theorize of a phone
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could have been a way of detonating it. the driver was quickly dispatched by french security personnel and i am quite sure when the story is told there will be great tails of heroism by french police chasing these people down. unable to stop it. they kind of trace it to the end of this. one kilometers plus journey, we'll get more on that distance in just a moment from an american friend of ours. who was a witness from his apartment in nice to the after math. >> but, imagine all the human tails along the way and some of them are of course, sended with lost of life. approximately 80 souls is the death toll we are going with tonight. bob frank kin is our journalist
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with an arpt in nice, you missed the initial lost of lives. the initial action as -- a moment laltter, you looked out from your balcony, how long of a distance would you say this truck is traveling in an area without people. >> as you said, it was probably more than a kilkilometer. >> there were people entire everywhere and there is salespeople there filled with pedestrians, who are watching the the fire works display and they were walking when all of this occurred. when the truck made its deadly run, along the entirety of the walks, starting at a famous hotel down the street, negresco
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hotel and going way up along this walk way. this is part of the promenade, which is the road ways that goes along the med trpedestrian. there is the pedestrian area, that's where he drove and did terrible things he did >> this could have been worst which is kind of hard to fathom. >> how gruesome it is whenou see literally bodies on the sidewalks. >> bob, we watched you for years. you are familiar with rock creek parkway and new york and lake shore in chicago and for americans drying to envision this. envision those affairs busy during day but shut down on not
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to my knowledge in th-- shuttinn for 4th of july. bob, it was obvious for quite a distance that this was a temporary pedestrian mall tonight, right? >> oh sure. >> i mean this is a heavily traveled road ways. so they want to have what amounts to a very, very long crime scene, and they want to have all the latitude that they can possibly muster to try and continue their investigation, which of course is going to take quite a while. but you likened it to the east river. you likened it to lake shore drive in chicago, and that is a really good description. normally what you have here are
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runners, and bicyclists and people celebrating the mediterranean. but it was shut down this evening, as it frequently is, because it was a special event. this was bastille day. it is the most important patriotic holiday in france, and they had a fireworks display. and for hours preceding, they had heavily patrolled it. we're all used to that, seeing heavily armed police at just about any public event. and then the fireworks display went off. and just as it was finishing, this gruesome event occurred. >> bob, how long have you had an apartment over there, and as part of the answer, in that time, how have you seen security, at least the public display of security change? >> well, you -- this is a temporary rental. this is not my apartment. but in the time that we have been coming here, which is a long time, we've seen the world change. it was much more los angelack d.
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now when you go into france or great britain, you see heavily armed police with machine guns in effect protecting, and this is what's happened here. >> bob franken, as we learned tonight a rental resident of nice, but an american over there to give us an american perspective of what he saw from his rental apartment tonight just right below him on the promenade on the mediterranean. back to cal perry in our newsroom with more. cal? >> i'm just going to hop on the back of what ayman was talking about and jump in before malcolm nance. i've done some digging here. this is from "inspire" magazine. this is from an issue in 2010, and they talk about the inability to get your hands on certain weapons, and they write, quote, you can still carry out attacks by burning down forests and buildings or by running over
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them with your cars and trucks. it continues. if you can kill a disbelieving american or european, especially the spiteful and filthy french or an sprawlian or a canadian or any other disbelievers from the disbelievers waging war. what i would submit is most of the middle east is watching horrendous images come in from syria, from libya. barrel bombings every day. and this is a broader war on peaceful nations. this is a war against nations that are not in this state of constant war. i spend the majority of my day looking through isis propaganda videos, looking through horrible images of bombings in syria, in libya. and if you live in the middle east and you turn on al jazeera as your main news source, that is what you're getting day in and day out. and this kind of propaganda, the isis propaganda coupled with the kinds of things we're hearing in the u.s. election cycle leads to a variety of difficult conversations, important conversations that need to be had.
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i will tell you that sharia is now trending on the east coast of the united states on twitter. >> and to quote newt gingrich tonight, anybody who goes on a website favoring isis or al qaeda or any terrorist groups, that should be a felony, and they should go to jail. our next guest, malcolm nance, was with us earlier tonight from philadelphia. and miracle of the age of rail transportation, has made his way to new york. i'm going to read malcolm nance's full bio because it's important. 30-year veteran of counterterrorism and intelligence officer for the u.s. governments special operations, homeland security and intelligence agencies. two decades on clandestine anti-terrorism, counterterrorism intelligence operations. veteran of the u.s. navy, arabic speaking intelligence collections operator and field interrogator. author of the book "defeating isis" executive director of the
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terror asymmetrics project. i also happen to know your french is better than mine. i'm going to hand you this sheaf of morning papers. read out the headlines for us. >> we have carnage in nice. and you have, the new horror. la provence says the attack in nice, france has been stuck again. 14 july, death in nice. and once again, the horror from sud-ouesh magazine. >> having read that -- and superbly done -- what do we do about it? >> i think the word needs to step back a little bit because every time we have an attack that occurs in the west, it's sort of taken out of context with, like how cal perry was saying a moment ago, from all of
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the attacks that are happening in the orient, in the middle east, sub saharan africa. we have do understand that isis and al qaeda views this mortal combat that they're having as a clash of civilizations. and every time we do a bombing campaign, they view their attacks as their version of a bombing campaign. so we're actually like two boxers who are exchanging blows whereas we in the west, we can get off about 1,500 blows a month in terms of air strikes, the capacity to grade their combat fighting ability in libya, syria, iraq. but for them, if they can get off one hit, one hit and it makes the headlines that we have today, where literally 3 billion people will know about that attack in less than 10 or 15 minutes, th then they have grea capacity to claim victory. as long as we're exchanging these punches, you have to
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understand this isn't going to stop anytime noosoon. it's now in the twitter age and facebook age, it's just faster and you see more of that information. so as these attacks keep coming, it just appears as if there's a higher intensity and a greater crescendo. but in fact we've had attacks -- i mean the 2004 attack on the train stations in madrid, spain, killed 200 people in just one morning, in one series of attacks. right now france in the last nine months has lost about that many people. but they're not going to stop anytime soon, and the attacks that we suffered in the united states, that's the future as isis gets degraded. they're going to transform into what we call a ghost caliphate where everything becomes virtual. everything becomes self-inspired, and they will carry out these attacks with whatever weapon systems they have at hand because the ideology makes them believe that they are self-inspired soldiers
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of god acting on god's behalf. >> that must, what you've just described, confound the commanders of our military industrial complex because the blows we land couldn't be more spectacular in their way or high-tech. what is it? knellis air force base out in nevada? we've got these incredibly trained, incredibly skilled people with a joystick and a trigger, and they fire off these attacks, and they dispatch very rapidly these al qaeda leaders and lieutenants. and it works when it works with incredible precision. the parallel, the absolute corollary in terms of low-tech is a 6,000-pound white container truck plowing through a crowd of families tonight in france. >> sure. you know, we actually teach this in our counterterrorism intelligence courses. a car is considered a 2,000-pound weapon system.
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tonight they've just used the of thousand-pound, you know, 3 1/2-ton lorry as their weapon system. it's as low-tech as possible, as asymmetric as possible. remember, this is a form of judo. so if they can't get through the security barriers, if they can't build tatp plastic explosives, if they can't acquire very large quantities of weapons, then you don't take a ten-man team. you don't take a four-man team. you take a one-man team, and you steal a truck, and you turn the truck into a weapon system. now, israel is getting hit by these attacks. they've had 48 of these vehicle as suicide weapon attacks. but they've killed individuals in the ones. just one palestinian takes his car, drives into a bus stop full of israeli soldiers, kills one. this case, this was clearly designed to be as spectacular as possible, to go down the esplanade, along the promenade
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days aes anglais in nice and to as many human beings as possible, almost like the computer game where you drive around los angeles and you strike pedestrians. this is in the mind of the terrorist, and the mind of any one individual could come up with plans just as devious and just as horrible. >> one more question, then we have to get into break. are we just lucky every day here? >> sure, we're lucky every day. but we also have a law enforcement apparatus that is much bigger than europe. i mean we have 1.5 million policemen in the united states. set aside everything that's happened over the last few weeks with regards to race relations in the united states. every person in this country knows when we are hit, we rally around our law enforcement, and we rally around our first responders because we know they're always there to protect us. i'm always shocked when i come back to the united states and i see police cars everywhere, you know? when you go to europe, i have to actually look for them. and, you know, only when they
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have heightened security where they have squads of four soldiers going out at a time. but that doesn't guarantee you're not going to get hit either. france is the size of two states, new york state and pennsylvania for the most part. you know, most of europe is the size of the northeast united states. i literally drove through four countries two weeks ago in less than two hours. so that gives you an idea of the enormous promle that they have. we in the united states, our society also is one of our greatest shields. but then again, we're coming to the point now where we're going to start having issues with free speech actually inciting the terrorists, which is the greatest weapon that they have, which is the degradation of our own laws and our own values in order to enhance them and make them appear, you know, 20 times larger than they really are. >> i say this with affection. i've always said malcolm nance is the scariest guy i know based only on what he knows. please don't move. stay there.
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welcome back. as our coverage continues, two guests with us to talk to in this segment, starting with one eyewitness, robert jones of the uk, in nice on vacation. robert, thank you for being patient with you. and start with the moment you knew there was something wrong and this was not, for example, a case of failed brakes on a large
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truck. >> sure. thank you for having me. i was having some drinks with some friends on t balcony, minding our own business. and what happened was is that after the fireworks display, there was a few occasional odd fireworks made by individuals on the beach. so obviously we stood up to have a little look. and there were people getting rather excited on the beach. but then we noticed the truck traveling at 60 miles per hour, 70 miles per hour. obviously he took a very obvious -- he veered onto the main strip of the promenade des anglais where the pedestrians are walking. and it was cleared after about ten seconds of him driving that, it wasn't -- it didn't look like an accident. it was more kind of aimed at pedestrians. that's when we just followed
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truck, and in the space of about ten seconds, and obviously my eyes were fixed on the 20 people that had just been mowed down by a truck. that's essentially when we knew -- we thought something was off. >> when we first heard reports of this tonight, we were praying that this was a case of failed brakes or a transmission locked up in gear. did that -- did that occur to you? was it just so obvious by the physical motion of the truck, perhaps the trajectory back and forth -- >> sure. >> -- that it was intentional? >> i mean, i think with most things you always hope that's the case. i think -- i've obviously never seen anything like this. initially you do -- you do think, you know, maybe it is an accident, a stroke or a heart attack. but it was quite obvious about -- because the promenade des anglais goes around a slight
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angle. and to see the truck follow the angle the whole way around, obviously now looking at the aftermath, it was clearly obvious after about a good 10, 20 seconds, that it was no accident. but like you said, you always do hope that it is. but sadly, that's not the case. >> robert jones, thank you very much for being patient with us and offering your perspective of the horror you took in tonight in nice in france. and as we look at this video again, one of our experts earlier tonight took one glance at it and said the lights are off on the truck, and that's the first indication it just looks so menacing. that's all the video we ever want to see because at the other end, those are the scenes people keep talking about tonight. dana kennedy is here with us, not quite an american in paris, but american journalist in france for the past decade. reporter for "the daily beast," formerly with abc news, fox news. and we're proud to say msnbc. dana, it's good to see you.
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terrible circumstances. what are your thoughts about what is now home for you? >> i spoke to as many friends as i could tonight, including terry clark who you had on later. it was so shocking to hear these people i normally sit in a cafe with. >> in this context. >> yes, and who i have seen the fireworks at this same location with. there was such a disconnect in their voices when terry was telling me she was sitting on a green patch, and she saw this big van, a bloody bus she called it. she thought it was part of the show for a second. then she saw it run over people right in front of her eyes. my friend, a former irish priest said he was walking his dog just as the fireworks ended. he saw a crowd rushing to him, and he saw ducking and diving. he saw a man with his legs blown off -- not blown off but cut off. and a child squashed. he said. he said he went numb. he's a priest and he wanted to help. he couldn't. he said there was no way to help these people. there were dying bodies everywhere. you see the blue chairs on the promenade days ang lay. it's the bay of angels.
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such a poetic, such a mythic place, and it looks like a movie to me. i really don't believe it happened, though i know it did. >> it really -- nice, as an american, kind of consuming what we get in culture, had a gangland reputation. it was -- and that made it convenient for books and movies. but really this view of nice is the start of the gold coast up near the italian border. and then you go down to places like the hotel du cap, not from there, maybe you can spend the mole for a hotel anywhere on earth. >> most beautiful hotel on earth. monaco is right up the coast. that's what's so frightening about seeing it. at the same time what makes me very sad when i see this and when i hear all this intellectual discussion which is fair and very, very bright people. but i think of my friends and i call them of north african descent. there's muslims. their religion is not about running people down with a bus.
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there's a lot of people in france who are muslims, who are not the people that donald trump is referencing. and even this discussion of isis, you know, i hang out with young muslims who are fundamentalist muslims. they're not terrorists. they're against isis. they actually work against it, but you'd never know it. and they will tell me, they noo know who they recruit. they don't go to the mosques. they go to the drug dealers and delinquents. some friends of mine texted me who he was, and they said he wasn't on the s files, which is a list in france that the cops have on their radar. but he did have some apparently petty crimes. that's really what isis is in my opinion. you know, punks and thugs and mercenaries, not real religious scholars. the guys in the mosques will tell you. they won't come to us because we know the real islam. it's difficult for me -- not to
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excuse anything, but my muslim friends there get tarred with this brush and you feel like you can't defend them anymore, no one will understand. >> if your muslim friends from there were here with us around this round table and i asked them what we've been asking people all night, what do you do? what do you do about a guy with a truck and a bad idea and perhaps troubles in thehead? what's the solution? >> you know, they don't really have one, and it's frustrating to me. i'm very close to the rector of a mosque in cannes and a mosque in marseille. what they do is actually a lot of them give courses around europe. you don't read about this. it's not a very sexy story. but they actually give courses training young muslims to fight what they call daesh or isis. but you don't really hear about it that much. you know, this one thug, one guy, one 31-year-old has all the power in this one night to do what he did, and it really just -- as i said, it tars everyone with the same brush.
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>> that's the concern. this thug and those who see what this one thug can pull off, the amount of attention we're giving this thug and those, again, god for bid driving around the streets of new york or l.a. tonight who aspire to what this thug did. >> i don't think really -- it's all well and good to say france can do this and france can do that. you know, france is incredibly tough. they will survive this. this is not going to continue. even if it continues for another decade or two. but, you know, they can't -- they can't solve this. as my terry clark said, she doesn't understand where the bloody bus came from. i don't either because the area we're talking about, brian -- i live about five minutes from it -- is very closed off. i can't imagine -- and i would like someone to look into how that van made its way onto a place that's roped off and barricad barricaded. why didn't someone see it making its way down there? >> i've been wondering, maybe people thought it was the truck bringing barricades down there. >> yep.
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>> maybe people thought -- but it doesn't look to have had working taillights, say nothing of running lights or headlights. >> and it's a massive truck. this is france. everything is small. that looks like it came out of the san diego freeway. >> that's big for a lorry in europe, you're right, because the confines are different. >> it's huge. >> the gauge of the roads is different. i'm told kevin barren of defense one wants to get in on this conversation. kevin? >> thanks, brian. i was just listening to dana and her comment about how this is one individual who wants to make such a big splash. it goes right into what policymakers have been saying here. just today -- or yesterday by now, the white house counterterrorism czar nick rasmussen was in the house homeland security committee, and in his testimony said that this is the new worry. it's not just terrorism-inspired individuals. it's terrorism-inspired and disturbed. it's that combination of two things. so you get the one guy who gets
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the gumption and copycat attacks. they specifically said they're worried about copycat attacks just like orlando where an individual can cause as much harm as they can. that's their new concern. and in that same testimony, he also said that there are now more threats coming from more countries than ever before in the last 15 years. so it just gives you an idea, you know, even at the white house level, they know what the threat is. they know the difficulty, and it's exactly what we're describing. it's not all of islam. it's not all of the terrorism networks. it's a com bition of that with just that one disturbed individual taking the gumption with the attack and giving it that the attention that we have to give. it's our job. >> dana, when do you go back? and a second question, when do you want to go back? are you pining to go back because of the harm that's been brought to what's been your home of ten years, or does it now
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pain you to think about it? >> it pains me to think about it, but as i said to you before, you know, the germans during world war ii blew up a beautiful thing in the beautiful promenade des anglais. i'm going back to paris for a month. i'll be reporting from there. >> thank you for being patient with us all evening long. we've had guest after guest kind enough to come on and explain and give us their perspective and their expertise. but it's good to see you. >> good to see you too. >> on american soil. thank you for coming back. we are going to take a break at the top of this hour. when we come back from that, our friend and colleague ayman mohyeldin is going to take the next anchor leg of our coverage as we continue to cover this breaking story as day has broken along the mediterranean coast in nice, in france, after the saddest night there in the
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modern era. a death toll we are estimating at 80. 18 critical. up to 50 others wounded. a terrible night.
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good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt with msnbc's continuing coverage of the apparent terrorist attack, this in the french riviera city of nice. a large truck plowed into a crowd celebrating bastille day, killing at least 84 people, many of them children. over a dozen people right now are critically wounded in hospitals. french president francois hollande spoke to his country last night, calling for vigilance. >> translator: after paris in january 2015 and then again in november of last

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