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ethnicities and religions. it's between people who recognize the common humanity of all people and are willing to build institutions that promote that common humanity and those who do not. those who would suggest that somebody is less than them because of their tribe or ethnicity or their faith or their color. and those impulses exist in all our countries. and those impulses, when we do not speak out against them and build strong institutions to protect people from those impulses, they can take over. they can be unleashed. so that all of us have responsibilities. not just a few. i want to say as we are releaptless against terrorists,
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it's also worthy for us to recognize that our nations have worked together for security and peace and human dignity around the world. i want to thank so many of your countries for the partnership we have forged, the progress that we have achieved together over the past eight years. in rescuing the global economy and securing vulnerable nuclear materials, a comprehensive deal to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, halting the spread of ebola and saving countless lives. in paris the most ambitious to fight climate change. a new sustainable development set of goals to promote health and education and equality for all people including women. and through the efforts of many of you, we have continued to try to move beyond old conflicts
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supporting the transition to democracy in burma, forging a new partnership in vietnam, deepening our new chapter of engagement with the cuban people. hea helping to end conflict. that's the power of diplomacy. that's what's possible when our nations and our peoples work together in the spirit of mute yule interest and respect. what a contrast to the death that terrorists offer. what a powerful reminder of the hope that we can advance when, as nations and as peoples and as individuals, we refuse to be defined by our differences alone and we remember that we are all part of one human race. even on difficult days like this, that's what gives me hope and that's what should give us all hope. because on this planet of 7
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billion people, the hatred and the violence of a few ultimately is no match for the love and decency and hard work of people of good will and compassion as long as we stand up for those values and we answer those who would undermine those values. i'm very proud of the work that we have done over these last seven and a half years in partnership with your countries. so long as i have the privilege of being president of the united states, i will continue to stand alongside you to promote those values all across the world. thank you very much, everybody. [ applause ] >> while at any gathering of the diplomatic core a president would appear to thank various representatives of various nations for their help and cooperation over the past year,
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today took on a very different tone. a somber cast. the president very downcast. it reminds you of the corrosive effect of these repeated trag y tragedies and acts of terrorism, how many times during a two-term presidency this has been the topic. the president took a clansing blow at newt gingrich's remarks last night that there should be some sort of test applied to muslims in the united states to e see if they are adherence to sharia law. if not, they could stay, but if so, they would be september away. the president also talked about destroying isis. he talked about the culture of death that has brought us to where we are today. and said that really this is a battle for all humanity. we are joined here in the studio by shawn henry, former executive
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director of the fbi and someone we have, again, called upon way too much lately because there's been way too much of this. let's talk about claim of responsibility. computers are your expertise. have we had any yet? does it matter if it we get one? should this be lumped together with other attacks, in your mind? >> i think to the family members who are grieving this morning for the loss of their loved ones, it does not matter. but in terms of us trying to identify who may be responsible for this, are there efforts that law enforcement or intelligence community can take to mitigate another attack from a law enforcement perspective, it's important to understand why this happened. and looking forward, is there a way to prevent these attacks from occurring again. >> i heard it said if there were
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grenades, long guns, explosives in the back of the truck, that in france is such a tall order. so tough to get. and the french don't fool around on this front. that would indicate something helpful to law enforcement in that it would mean a tide like a smuggling ring. something like that. >> there's so many leads that law enforcement agencies are going to be pursuing. the fbi is going to be involved. we have u.s. citizens who have been killed. we would always cooperate with them. lots of avenues to pursue trying to find out how weapons were involved, where were they purchased, where was the ammunition obtained from. looking at media devices, this is such an important aspect of this investigation right now to really find out who this person was that drove this truck and murdered more than 80 people and
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who else might have either been involved or supported his efforts. >> here in the u.s., when the military and police officers tell us all when you see something say something. a force multiplier, you're helping the home team. giving them extra sets of eyes and ears. when an organization like isis says in its online magazine go out and do what you can to werners, that's a force multiplier. how are e we going to get between good hearted people and a guy with a truck and the wrong motivation? >> there's so many ways you look to prevent or mitigate the risks of these attacks. there's the threat and there's the vulnerabilities. in terms of reducing the threat,
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there will be and needs to be some more offensive operations abroad. whether it's the communities reaching out or those who e see something and are able to alert authorities. can we get to people early on before they are susceptible and suspect and listening to these types of violent messages and take abcs upon them. >> the difference between someone who is merely angry or even radicalized driving in the lane of traffic here in times square and instead driving on to the sidewalk is that big. >> we talk about soft targets. people are vulnerable. we are in a world right now that has really seemed to have turned upside down. if you look at the last couple years, i think americans are going to be looking at what
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changes might have to be made. nobody wants to live in a police state. e we live in a free and open society, but the opportunity or the need to get in and intervene with those who look to harm, might require a review of policies and procedures. i don't want to live in that world, but we may be moving towards that. >> thank you as always. chris is an american living abroad for the last couple years as world news editor at "the daily beast". so here you are with fresh eyes overseas. what do you feel like telling your american friends about what you think folks are going to have to get used to here? >> well, as i listen to the president's remarks, i was struck once again by his faith in the power of reason. his desire to live in a reasonable world. and the world that i cover is not a reasonable world.
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it's a world in which symbols are hugely powerful and isis and the bad guys often seem to understand those symbols better than we do. . i think this is a real problem because you have to address the threat not just with military action and diplomacy, but with ideas and symbols and sometimes striking symbols that will discredit the organization. one of those is violence. one of those is warfare. i think we're going to see that stepped up by the united states and also by france and also by several other western countries, even though it won't have a direct impact on an incident like this. i think moving an aircraft carrier is not going to have an effect on a man like this man that drives through a crowd of people. it will humiliate and contain an organization the so-called
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islamic state that lives by endure and expand. it needs to be shown that they can't expand and endure. that's going to be a tough, brutal war. >> chris, thank you. our viewers can no doubt hear the various accents and languages of other spo correspondents and reporters because the news media have been kept by and you're all cheek by jowl there. you can hear your colleagues. bill neely is in nice, france. you haven't been on the ground that long, but a question to you. if the enemy comes at you driving a truck, an unmarked truck, how can that enemy ever be prevented?
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>> that's a great question. it's one that security services have been grappling with. they knew three things were going to happen this summer in this country, which they knew was under threat from not just isis, but al qaeda as well. the european soccer championships went off without a hitch. except for one attack with kitchen knives. they knew the tour de france, the cycling race was coming up and they knew about bastille day. so they were on high alert here yesterday. obviously, checking all the intelligence they had, all the cells listening to all the chatter. but from what we know so far, there was no chatter from this man. he simply hired a truck three days ago, got into it last night and drove along this road, along this street at 70 miles an hour. speeds up to 70 miles an hour hitting almost 300 people.
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so how do you combat something like that? how do you fight an ideology? how do you fight an idea that's racing like a virus through the internet. we can have a mill tar itaristi solution and we can have an intelligence solution and so we know who these people are. we can follow them and see a money trail or armaments trail. it's the idea that's spreading. we saw that on social media last night almost as soon as this attack was launched. so these are some of the kinds of problems that the french intelligence services have. and remember this man was known to police because he had been sentenced earlier this year to six months in jail for violence. but it was a suspended sentence. that's why he was on this street last night because he wasn't in jail. but more broadly than that, he wanted to kill as many people as possible and the intelligence services didn't know who he was.
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>> bill neely. to our viewers, our death toll stands at 84. 202 injured, 52 of them critically and a good number of them are in intensive care right now. this one of two major stories that americans are tuning in this afternoon to see. the other, of course, domestic politics and with us a as part of our team to cover that is kate snow, who is in cleveland at the site of the upcoming gop convention. >> yeah, you can probably see behind me it couldn't be more of a contrast. people are all smiles. it's a friday afternoon. they are getting ready for the convention. but i can tell you i just talked to the deputy chief of police here in cleveland. they are certainly well aware of the context of what happened in nice. they put in concrete barricades here overnight. we'll be talking about that
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people were running everywhere, screaming. no one understood what's going on until the gun shooting. that moment we understood that it's something serious. that's why i stepped away. but i was still filming. don't ask me how, but i was told. >> that man and everyone who has talked about the attack in nice,
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france, has a certain look of shock about them. but that man gave his account to us last night that the driver of the truck and when the truck came to a rest, people had reason to believe it was case of an accident or brakes failed. e he said the driver took out something like a phone, believed now to have been something to detonate. took out a weapon and started firing at police and that's when french police took him out. in the attack in the early morning hours of the two americans who had died, a father and son on vacation in france while in the last few hours we have also learned a 20-year-old student from uk berkeley is missing, we know more now about these two american fatalities.
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>> he and his son were both on vacation together in the south of france. they were walking along the promenade last night when the truck ran over them along that mi mile-long path of death along the seashore. family members issued a statement overnight. they said that we are heartbroken and shocked over the loss of brody copeland and sean copeland. both were avid baseball fans. sean was the coach of the little league team that brody played on. and today just moments ago at his elementary school in texas just outside austin, his teach er tauz about his life and times. >> i think his joy for making little mini movies and bring it
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to school and show me. i would tell him toif lock at it first and see if it was suitable for class. that was kind of one of my favorites. because he would have something to share with us. it was fun to watch. the kids enjoyed it too. >> their softball team wrote on the facebook page today that no one deserves this type of fate. you are in our hearts, in our prayers and in our thoughts. rest in peace, brody and sean. you will be remembered by many. >> charles hadlock. unbelievable how terrorism and fate combined. here one day and gone the next. this american father and son among the dead. and again, uk berkeley reporting a 20-year-old student, three injured, but one 20-year-old still missing. and another bak for us. when we come back, kate snow and
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we have some of the freshest juice in town. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink i'm kate snow live in cleveland, ohio. a very different mood here. this city preparing for tens of thousands of visitors coming in for the convention. donald trump officially announced his vice presidential pick this morning. the first time that's ever happened with a tweet. he wrote, i'm pleased to announce that i have chosen governor mike pence as my vice presidential running mate. news conference tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. pence spoke to reporters a short time ago in new york city. >> very excited and humble and grateful. >> what's your message to indiana now that you have withdrawn from the governors race? >> we love indiana. we love our country.
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my family and i couldn't be more honored to have the opportunity to run with and serve with the next president of the united states. >> we have all angles covered today. let's start with katy tur in front of trump tower in new york city. katy, this was really an interesting 12 hours. it seemed like it was on again, off again, yes, it's pence, no, it isn't. now what? >> reporter: donald trump wanted to add a little showbiz. he did leading up to the convention. if you consider the drama behind the scenes. the final moments like the final moments of an apprentice board room. who was he going to pick? it was going to gingrich, pence and chris christie. yesterday news started leaking that the choice was pence from reliable sources. some who said the decision had been made and all but finalized. pence even getting on a plane and coming to new jersey. staying overnight here in new york city. but as our own kelly o'donnell
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has been reporting, he didn't make his decision until midnight last night saying if he could change his mind. that shows you the degree of uncertainty around this pick. despite that, i talked to sources within the family and sources close to the candidate and sources in the campaign. they do all say they believe that governor pence was the right choice ultimately. he will be able to balance out the ticket. donald trump is unpredictable. he's a unique candidate. governor pence is very predictable. he stays on message. he's not going to make headlines the way newt gingrich or chris christie might. he might not be attack dogs, but do they need two bulldogs or somebody who is going to be able to balance trump out. that was the choice. he just arrived here at trump tower an hour ago and just left moments ago having the first one-on-one meeting with donald
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trump since this decision was finalized. we do expect to see the them the first time together in the official trump/pence ticket tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. >> he's known as a social conservative. he's a very religious man. not always policy wise on the same page as donald trump. >> no, absolutely not. they differ on trade and they differ most notably on the muslim ban. governor pence calling it unconstitutional. he said he's had differences with a number of colleagues in the past. he doesn't expect that to be an issue. i asked donald trump jr. about that yesterday in an interview. he says that they are going to be able to move past that. ultimately, this is donald trump's platform. any potential pick, which is now mike pence will be fully aware of that. mike pence is angel call and face faced controversy in his own home state of indiana. he signed the religious
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restoration act, which some say is to diskrcriminate based on sexual orientation. he got a lot of blowback from liberal groups from that. he backed away from it a bit and then got blowback from the right for turncoating. so he was facing a tough reelection bat until indiana. that could be part of the reason he decided to join this ticket going to the national stage instead of having to battle it out in indiana. while the campaign feels they are not necessarily going to have problems with that controversy, we're already e seeing hillary clinton affiliated groups and supporters coming out and attacking pence for his religious conservatism. what donald trump needs right now is to find a way to win over independent and moderate voters. it's unclear that governor pence will be able to deliver him that. but what he will do is help him solidify the base in swing states in these states that
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adjoin indiana. ohio, michigan, help in places like pennsylvania and wisconsin. that is what they are hoping. but in terms of getting more moderate voters, they are still relying on donald trump himself to find a way to reach those voters and speak to them directly. right now all focus seems to be on the idea of job creation. >> all right, katy tur in new york, thanks so much. katy mentioned kelly o'donnell's reporting. let's get to kelly o'donnell. she's been working the phone some more. you have some interesting nuggets about how this all went down. >> i have been talking to sou e sources and this is what has unfolded. we saw the public side of donald trump last night after he was calling in to fox news, talking about his three remaining picks, describing them all as fantastic and saying he had not made a, quote, final decision. at the same time, because of the events in france, the event to
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announce a running mate was delayed. sources are saying while trump was in california, which is where he was when he made those calls, separated from family, separated from the campaign, out there to do some fundraising, that he was calling people who he considers to be in his circle, people whose influence and respect e he admires to see is there any way out of this. this because donald trump was frustrated and irritated, i'm told, that there had been leaks. the story about mike pence being the pick had gotten out of his control. that events began rolling beyond what e he could do. by making those calls to see if there's any other option, he wanted to just run the traps and see if he could make a change. now that's so kpcomplicated because i'm also told that donald trump likes and respects mike pence. understood that his family top
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campaign officials believe pence was the best choice for a number of reasons we have been talking about. . good experience, conservative record, great message discipline, many things are an asset. so what is unclear is did donald trump decide, change his mind, get nervous? did he feel pushed by those close to him? i can tell you that top officials from the trump campaign are telling me this did not happen. it's not true. yet i have people saying they received calls from donald trump raising these issues. so it is another wrinkle in what has been a wild ride over the last couple days. this is such an unusual roll out of a running mate. of course, there was high exposure and high risk for pence pence who agreed to submit to be vetted and forego his own reelection campaign to join trump on the ticket. any reporting could be seen as somewhat undercutting him. campaign officials suggest that these sources are trying to do
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that. they tell me there was, quote, no waivering and that it is not true. so we are following this up. what we do know is that trump had an opportunity publicly to say that, yes, mike pence was the choice after he had been publicly identified and he held back a little bit. the campaign does acknowledge there was discussions about moving the event, which was only about the events in nice, the tragedy in nice. so i can also tell you there's always intrigue. there's always finger pointing. there's always some tension in campaig campaigns. these are high drama events where people have different views, different agendas and sometimes sources will run up against each other in real conflict. but this is the picture we're getting today. that trump, who is going forward with pence. that is locked in now. but there was some degree of waivering and some degree of questioning in part spark ed by
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leaks that trump, according to source, say he had not authorized and was not happy to s see. >> kelly o'donnell, kplept reporting, appreciate all that. you and i both wept through sarah palin and that was an interesting one too. there's always intrigue. happy to be in your town. thanks for having us in cleveland. the democratic national convention is less than two weeks away. today we're getting our first fushl look at some of the speakers there. big names include michelle obama, senator bernie sanders, president bill clinton, president obama, vice president biden and chelsea clinton. up next, more on last night's terror attack in nice and the latest on the efforts to ensure safety here in cleveland. in light of that with the republican national convention a a few days away. ♪ ♪
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as we continue our coverage into the terrorist attack in nice, france, on bastille day.
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a death toll of 84, toll of the wounded at 202, 52 of those critical. we're joined by two men we often turn to when the subject turns to terrorism. a senior research fellow at the international center for study of radicalization and plolitica violence at kings college in the uk. with us as you can see from our london bureau, lathe curry is with us as well. he's an msnbc terrorism analyst. . welcome to you both. i want to begin with both of you on the same basic question. this notion of the moment of radicalization, how are we ever going to defend civilized societies against a person armed
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with the most improvised weapon of all behind had the wheel of a truck. >> i think it's as you say. this notion of the moment of radicalization or the point of radicalization is really about individuals engaging with, buying into and adopting a particularly extreme set of ideas and taking those on as their own. and the long-term and most effective way of challenging that will be to e defeat that ideology. will be to create koupt narratives and to discredit the idea. just in the same way that lots of ideas circulate in our pl political life, but if people adopt them, they tend to be ridiculed and seen as people who are adopting esoteric ideas about politics, about life and society and that kind of thing. that isn't happening yet in quite the same way with some of these radical islamist ideas.
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there needs to be greater pushback from governments and civil society that discredits the notion of that. >> the president this afternoon said, echin effect, we're up against individuals that are anti-humanity. he talked about from all available evidence he's right. that's a a formidable thing. it's fashionable to say you can't airstrike an idea out of existence, but people are so depressed today. this is the battle of the rest of our lives, i guess. >> this is certainly a generational conflict that we're going to be seeing particularly as a result of events in syria and iraq. i think it's quite important to pick up on the point that you can't bomb or drone an idea out of existence. that's absolutely correct. but the military component is still incredibly component.
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if you look at the rise of a group like isis and others who have been taking a lot of ground, who seem to have momentum on their side, who seem to be successful in those countries, they were able to attract a lot of people when they were largely running around up opposed. now the airstrikes in some of the pressure that a group like isis felt on its caliphate in syria in iraq has led to some of the shine and gloss coming off its message and the presentation of what it's attempting to project itself as being. so the component is important in te terms of disheartening people at a purely political level and in te terms of an emotional level. because people want to be associated with success and what they see as the winning team. much more importantly and behind that as a long-term issue is this body of ideas to disengage from their home societies and connect with something that's
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transcending culture and geography. we need to be challenging that as well. the two need to happen simultaneously. >> and lathe, we're looking at live pictures. couldn't be sadder of this second night now in nice. this memorial, some people are just transfixed. they are still in shock. they haven't slept. other people are leaving flowers and candles. and yet this is kind of what has become, and i mean no disrespect, our codified behavior after one of these. as a reporter put it at the white house, these are happening every seven to ten days. if you agree with the predicate just laid down that this is the battle of a generation or two, lathe, how does this end? >> there's no doubt what sha razz said is pretty much accurate. to defeat an ideology, you can't
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really just employ aircraft and troops on the ground. that might fuel the ideology and spread it even further. furthermore, when you spread an ideology, back in the day you needed some person to tell another person and tell another person and so on. but with the technology and the new age, the ideas spread in matter of minutes. and they ensure that this idea never disappears from the internet so it can reach any of those individuals in the west and ultimately get them o to act upon this whether based on a lutny of political grievances or mixture of twisted ideology and so on. the bottom line is that this is going to take generations to subdue in general. and a counternarrative in place is necessary. but the counternarrative that we're talking about cannot be employed or run or directed by
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governments or the state department. this has to be pretty much grass roots campaigns that spark out of the areas that are most affected by terrorism and these areas are middle east and north africa and asia and not here in the west. while we are seeing these att k attacks unfold in the past year and a half, these have become common place in areas overseas that we're detached from that reali reality. >> so lathe, what can the west do? >> it can ab slosolutely assist grass roots campaigns or empower the voices of marginalized society. they are supporting the unification of iraqis regardless of sectarian tensions as well as trying to come up with some of a resolution for syria, which we intended on doing early on in the begin ining of the war. but of course, our hesitation might have actually fuelled it further to get to this point.
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>> two of the gentlemen we turn to when the subject turns to terrorism, as it has all too often lately, thank you very much. a quick break for us. when we come back, our friend and colleague chris jansing has made her way to nice, france. we'll check in with her as we look at live pictures of this memorial. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo we'll come to the zoo! only safelite can fix your windshield anywhere in the us. with our exclusive mobileglassshops. and our one of a kind trueseal technology, for a reliable bond. service that fits your schedule. that's another safelite advantage. ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ now that i work there, i value dothe food even more.
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we are back. brian williams here with you in new york. we want to go back to nice, france, with apologies for an unusually long satellite delay in talking to our correspondents because of burdens on satellite communications from there right now. chris jansing has made her way there and chris, you have made entirely too many journeys of your own to cover the aftermath of terrorist attacks around the world.
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this has taken place, though, in really one of the holiday vacation capitals of all of europe where moneyed families from this country, from all over the world go to enjoy these beautiful surroundings. is there anything different about this? about this place, about this attack in nice? >> reporter: there is, i think, brian. i'm comparing it to what i saw in paris and brust ls and even dallas and orlando such a short time ago. as i made my way here walking through the pedestrian area, i have been here before. i know what it feels like. you wouldn't know that it was anything but a typical friday night. the cafes were open. people were sitting outdoors. it's a beautiful night. they were eating, drinking. it wasn't until you got right to the barricades here that you felt something had happened. so if you didn't know in the
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pedestrian area, and i'm told it's the same in old nice, that has a large pedestrian area. i did talk to a few people for some being out tonight is an act of act of defiance. you also get a sense there's an acceptance. this is what our lives are like now, and we can choose either to stay in or go out. the weather was different in november. for example, in paris. but people just were not going out. and there was a real tension everywhere you went. i was talking to chris dickey whom you spoke with earlier, and we agreed the feeling here is very different. i can also say that some of what we witnessed last night, some of the stories we heard, you're still hearing now. a woman from pennsylvania just watching the scene behind me. she was about three blocks from where that truck driver was killed. she had no idea what happened and she ran down the street because people were screaming run, run, run, and she said she
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ran not knowing why she was running. n eventually people were opening their doors. she went into the house of a perfect stranger taking refuge to find out exactly what had happened. and she actually was asking me what i knew about some of the americans, as you've been reporting. there was a father and son from outside of austin, texas, who were killed. there was also a uc berkeley student, according to media. a spokesman there who is still missing. three others who are injured. one final note, this was such a scene of horror here, brian. that interpol has sent in an identification team, because of the bodies are so disfigured. they know they'll need highly specialized help to identify those who are still listed as missing. >> absolute nightmare in a beautiful place where night fall, the second night, has arrived. chris jansing has arrived as well as part of our team covering this story, chris. thanks. another break for us.
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and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®. we need to rededicate ourselves to the defeat of terrorist organizations around the world. we face the prospect of terrorist-directed attacks, terrorist-inspired attacks, and we need to rededicate ourselves to combating the terrorist threat to all of our countries. and that's something i just expressed to the french ambassador to the united states. now i'm off to cleveland to inspect the security at the republican national convention. >> that was homeland security secretary jeh johnson responding to last night's attack in france. even before the events in nice, he had said he was concerned about the possibility of violence here in cleveland. he just toured security operations here ahead of the convention.
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for more on security, i want to bring in vicki anderson, a special agent for the cleveland division of the fbi. nice to see you. thanks for being here. we saw concreed barricades going up overnight. i talked to the deputy chief of police in cleveland. he said that was planned. that's not because of nice. but other things have changed because of what happened last night. can you give us a guide? what are you doing now to ensure the safety of all the folks coming for the convention. >> we've been planning since day one, since cleveland was determined to be the host for this convention. unfortunately, the way our world is now, we have to plan for these kinds of scenarios. and so this planning has been in place for well over a year. i think that what has happened recently has really heightened our senses. but all of those things are in place. >> there are organized protests as soon as tomorrow, the first protest is organized here. what is the fbi doing to get a
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sense for who is coming? what groups you have to look out for? i'm sure you know some of these folks. they're local people. >> a lot of people have been outspoken in their views. that's something we've had the public for assistance in. if they see something or know of some behavior that's going to be criminal in matsch, to reach out to us. call our 1-800-call-fbi number. we're very well aware of it. we want people to come and express their first amendment right, the freedom of speech in a peaceful manner. we're all about supporting that. we just need it to be peaceful and not bring the violence. >> how do you distinguish between protesters and the possibility for actual terror, violence? how do you figure out who is a peaceful protest are and who might pose a threat? >> it's very difficult. we'll just really have to rely on one another. law enforcement working together. we've been collaborating, planning these things. we're relying on the public to give us tips. we're just going to have to do what we've been practice, what
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we know to do. and rely on the public to help us. >> this is an open carry state. so that, i imagine, makes things trickier for law enforcement. people can actually walk around with weapons if they have a license. >> outside of the secure zone. once you get into the hardened zone -- >> that's right around the q. >> absolutely. they will not be allowed to do that. in the other areas they are. cleveland police department is well aware. they have a lot of support from area police departments and outside the state that are coming in. so they have a lot of enhancements. in addition to their federal partners. we're all working together. and we really, really are planning for a safe and secure first amendment rnc. >> that's what everybody wants. all of us want that. but i have to ask. are you confident sitting here today that you're going to get through this without a scratch? >> we do have concerns. we can say at this point we do not have any direct threat that
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we're aware of to the rnc. are we well aware of the concerns, the rhetoric out there, the people saying they're going to bring violence to the city? absolutely. we're very well aware of that. and we're just going to have to plan, see what happens and deal with it. n we just hope for the best. >> we don't see a whole lot of security, but i have to believe there's got to be a lot of folks, especially fbi working under cover right now that we're not necessarily going to see their presence. >> i think as mr. johnson has already said, there's well over 3,000 law enforcement that are going to be in this area. we can't go into specifics of everything we're going to be doing, but again, that's not enough. that's why we need to ask the public. if they see something. so many of these horrific events, after the fact, people say i saw something. >> people saw that truck. >> and they thought something was up but they didn't report it. we're really encouraging the public. if you see something, even if you think it's a little bit and it doesn't mean anything, you don't know, call us.
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>> vicki anderson, cleveland fbi, thanks for your perspective. that's going to do it from me this hour from cheefleveland. i'm kate snow. steve kornacki picks things up now. >> good afternoon. i'm steve kornacki live here in new york. france still reeling at this hour. less than 24 hours since that deadly terror attack that killed scores of people. >> doesn't seem safe anymore in france. nice is not a big city and it does not attract that much attention. so if this can be target, anywhere can be a target. >> we're learning a lot more today. nbc's lester holt is on the ground in nice, france. he's going to join us with the latest in a second. also, president obama just wrapping up remarks on what happened in france, sending a message of solidarity. >> today our hearts

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