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the highlight to tonight's activity was melania trump's speech. it turns the night into a catastrophe. this is a plagiarized speech game, set, match on that. what an outrageous disservice to melania trump on that, on the campaign. nicolle wallace talked about the fact that the trump campaign such as it is is not configured like a normal political campaign. maybe you don't need to be configured like a normal political campaign. we know the incongruity between
the theme, the day starting off with the targeting and attacking, ohio governor through the program. "hamilton" on broadway is a great show, great production. no one leaves it early. tonight in the middle of the show -- and be clear, this is a show -- a lot of people left early. this is not a good first night. now you have brought scandal to the prospective first lady. it's a scandal and disservice to her and the campaign. >> good morning. tuesday july 19th. live from cleveland the site of the republican national convention along with joe, me, willie, we have managing editors of bloomberg politics and co-host of with all due respect, mark halperin. ben ginsburg. good day to have ben on. that was confusing late yesterday.
wow, eggs steve schmi-- i guess schmidt didn't mince words last night. what a catastrophe. >> steve is one of the guys early on that said trump had what it took to win the republican nomination and maybe even beyond that. that is unfortunate and we're going to talk about the whole day. >> lay it out. >> obviously melania's speech at the end was what everybody was talking about. when the speech was over, i could tell she had actually struck a chord, because i started getting texts and e-mails. >> really. >> before the internet took up to say, wow, she outperformed. wow, what a great speech she gave. i would say more than usual from friends. even from people who don't like trump. so melania actually outperformed. then, of course, the questions
about the speech, which, i'm sorry, if anybody believes she's like bartelby the scrivener and in the back writing this down her self. this is an example of a campaign not built out. the start of daft controversy a few weeks ago. they needed somebody to review everything they put out. it's the same thing with the speech. they had somebody working that said they should fire somebody but there's nobody to fire. >> let me lay it out. donald trump took the stage first night of the party in cleveland addressing the convention with his live speech with a dazzling entry to queen's "we are the champions." just like this breathe. let this breathe. look at this. he knows how to put on a show. he spoke for a few minutes
before putting his wife on the stage where she talked about her journey to america and her husband. >> i traveled the world while working hard in the incredible arena of fashion. after leaving and working in milan and paris, i arrived in new york city 20 years ago, and i saw both the joys and hardships of daily life. on july 28th, 2006, i was very proud to become citizen of the united states. the greatest on planet earth. >> and that is what is tragic about this story. the plagiarism turn, because her story is great. her story is different. it got a great applause. within two hours her star turn at the convention the speech she delivered was called into question over two passages that
had word for word similarities with the speech of another aspiring first lady, michelle obama, at the 2008 democratic convention. so here are the sections of those two speeches side by side. >> from my young age my parents impressed on me. >> barack and i were raised with the same values. >> values. >> for what you want in life. >> your word is your bond. >> your word is your bond. >> you do what you say and you keep your promise. >> you do what you say you're going to do. >> you treat people with respect. >> that you treat people with dignity and respect. barack and i set out to build lives guided by these values and to pass them onto the next generation. >> we need to pass those lessons onto the many generations to
follow. >> because we want our children. >> because we want our children. >> and all children in this nation. >> in this nation to know. >> that the only limit to the height of your achievements. >> to know that the only limit to your achievements. >> is the reach of your dreams. >> is the strength of your dreams. >> and your willingness to work hard for them. >> and your willingness to work for them. >> so the trump put out a statement after the similarities put out on twitter. quote, in writing her beautiful speech melania's team of writers took notes on her life's inspirations and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own accounting. melania's immigrant experience and love for america shaone through in her speech, which made it such a success. for the first speech of her
life, she nailed it. you wake up to this, how did this happen. it's a huge rip-off. >> she worked so hard on her presentation. it's a campaign so skeletal. they are lucky stuff doesn't happen like this more often given how few work there. no campaign with full apparatus could actually let it happen. >> it's unfortunate for her because if it hadn't happen the story would be what an incredible job she did. by the end of the day, probably sooner, someone in the campaign will take responsibility for this and have to leave. >> do you think they will fire somebody? >> they have to. not only for accountability, they have to take the onus off her. >> she said she wrote part of the speech her self. >> one part ends tonight, the other part begins. your wife is going to get to speak to the delegates about
you. >> right. >> has she gone over the speech with you? did you practice it on the plane. >> i went over it once. i wrote it with as little help as possible. >> so it's worth remembering in 2008 hillary clinton's campaign accused barack obama of plagiarizing then massachusetts governor duval patrick in milwaukee. obama said should have credited it to him. in 1987, remember this, senator joe biden plagiarized a speech by british labor party writer -- >> but it was a good speech. seriously, if i were going to plagiarize a speech it would have been that. >> what frustrates me melania's story and words is effective. she speaks multiple languages. she could have done so much with it and some jerk put in a speech from michelle obama's 2008.
how does that happen? >> reasons people to be fired, too stupid to be employed. for joe biden to plagiarize is wrong. but joe bide is a democrat, he's a labor party politician. somebody got it in their mind when they were under pressure, stressed out, trying to get this speech together for her to cut and paste michelle obama's speech at the trump campaign. it's one thing to be a plagiarize, it's another thing to be a moronic plagiarist. this is stupid. instead of -- >> maybe a coincidence. >> actually ben againstberg i've heard great writers who have won pulitzer prizes before talk about how mistakes happen. you jot down notes from this speech and that speech. then when everybody is in a rush, you cram it together.
somebody else picks it up and says this is a good line, that's a good line. oh, that's a good line. then they put it together. i'm not making it -- hold on. i'm not making an excuse for the campaign but i guarantee nobody is saying i'll cut and paste. what i'm saying, it was a sloppy process. they didn't have enough people. this is why you need a campaign staff, so there's somebody there that said, you know what, this is a great line. unfortunately michelle obama did it eight years ago and that would happen in a normal campaign. >> there are programs you turn it through. you have your own people look at the speech to make sure nothing like this happens. this is somebody who changed a couple of words in it and thought changing a couple of words made it okay. what you can't estimate is what a sucker punch it is, a punch to the solar plexus.
>> this is bad. >> this is bad. trying to build momentum is difficult with something like this being talked about. >> they had no other news they talked about. some decent speeches, nothing anything like the magnitude of the quality of the rest of her speech. as i said, if it weren't for the plagiarism, i think the story of today would have been triumphant first night where she spoke quite movingly about her husband. >> and could have put to risk a day that began in that seat where paul manafort took on governor kasich saying he's embarrassing the state, a floor fight over the rules and washed away by melania's speech. >> instead you have a day that began with john kasich being attacked. >> in his own state. >> in his own state. booed -- the person attacking john kasich booed by this crowd. that doesn't happen on "morning joe." that's a record. then later in the day the chaos on the house floor, then this.
>> we still have to get to that. >> a totally forgettable, in some ways kind of ugly, not well done two hours before her they needed melania's speech to go well so the rest -- >> balanced out. >> they were there until this got discovered. just to go back, to be serious about this, i understand how mistakes can be made and i understand how people under pressure do dumb things. but even under your explanation, what are you doing -- elizabeth's dole's 1996 speech or nancy reagan speech, study old republican speeches makes a lot of sense to me, why you would have looked to inspiration for past republican first ladies. i don't know why you're looking at michelle obama's speech if you work for donald trump when your nominee criticizes him every day. >> the moronic party of it, her story trumps some of the problems the campaign with the whole issue of immigration, being globally connected. she could really have had a speech that said who she was,
what her talents are, which are many, and how committed she is to them. that would have been amazing and multi-lingual. >> here is the danger. tonight is in some ways the weakest night of speakers. again, the way these are scored, a good knit or bad night. that's the way it works. tonight they have to find a way with this speaker lineup. >> what goes on tonight? >> don jr. on tonight after that a drop-off in terms of names. >> the panel, paul ryan. >> good luck. >> neither one of those guys. >> they can be have -- >> could be interesting. >> they cannot have another bad night. >> let's talk about mitigating this damage really quickly. if you're in regular campaign, somebody is fired by 9:00. >> i would say by now. >> trump comes out with combination of humor and regret. >> says sorry. >> he's not going to say he regrets it.
>> i regret so-and-so's action. >> she did a good job, we should have been better and some sort of joke. that's a normal campaign. >> who gets fired. >> they have to find out who they did it or who they are going to say did it. >> the chief of speech writing? >> there is not a chief of speech writing. it's spread out. >> they have hired a few people who help out with different parts of the convention, and there are some old time convention folks who were helping to draft the speeches. >> let me make a prediction for you. he will not apologize. he will not fire anyone. he'll say the media is obsessing over a couple of lines in a speech, the world is spinning out of control and i'm the man to fix it. look at media talking about minutiae. i'm just saying i'll bet a plate he doesn't fire anyone.
>> his wife. it behooves him to be a little upset. i think that wouldn't hurt. >> listen, they fired the guy he was closest to personally, corey lewandowski because the kids pushed him to fire corey lewandowski. if he was going to get rid of the guy who he was closest to personally -- >> i think they may fire somebody to protect his wife. >> you can't let something this sloppy affect his wife stand. >> you read what you just saw, she claims she wrote the speech. >> she said most of it. >> i'm saying, they have to clean it up. >> the statement they put out in the middle of the night said the speechwriters wrote it. they are taking that back. >> the convention kicked off under the theme of make america safe again with speakers painting a dark picture about the state of this country and threats from around the world. the event put heavy focus on threats from overseas and former
navy s.e.a.l. marcus luttrell who survived a battle in taliban spoke an inspirational tone. >> the world outside our borders is a scary place. america is the light and her people are the goodness that grows from that. she'll always be worth fighting for and it was my greatest honor to fight for her every day of my adult life. >> and one of the most memorable moments of the night came from patricia smith, the mother of a state department staffer slain in the 2012 benghazi attack. >> i blame hillary clinton personal personally for the death of my son. that's personally. in an e-mail to her daughter shortly after the attack, hillary clinton blamed it on terrorism. but when i saw hillary clinton -- she sure is. she sure is. she lied to me and then called me a liar.
when i saw hillary clinton at shawn's coffin ceremony days later, she looked me squarely in the eye and told me a video was responsible. since then, i have repeatedly asked hillary clinton to explain to me the real reason why my son is dead. i'm still waiting. >> there was a lot of commentary last night about how republicans were using trotting out parents whose children had been victimized, had been killed, acting as if this were the first time that ever happened. it's worth noting this is not the first time this has ever
happened. certainly not limited to the republican party. in 2004 democratic campaign of john kerry featured gold star mothers of soldiers killed in the iraq war. last night, though, was -- it was tough to look at. it was tough to look at these parents. it was tough to listen to some of these people. >> extreme grief. >> they were in extreme grief. i was just sitting there wondering how that worked. i know it was very strong inside the hall but was that too tough for people at home to watch patricia smith struggle through that or was it gripping? >> i watched in the hall. it was gripping in the hall. people thought it was emotional and moving. on tv i don't know. this is a very emotional issue for a lot of people in the country and she symbolized that. i do think it is taking a personal thing and making it political. some people will find that over
the line. >> what do you think, ben? >> it's an indication of what we're going to be seeing for the rest of the campaign, both that appeal to emotion on these hot button issues combined with what melania's speech is supposed to be. it's that yin and yang. >> mothers whose children killed by guns in a political contest. >> you're going to have several high profile -- >> it was raw. while the moment was gripping and disturbing, also you couldn't stopwatch it. you wanted to hear what she had to say. you were with her. while this woman was speaking on stage -- >> wait a second. i know what you're about to say. remember, we all went to see "hamilton," a lot of times when
the aaron burr character was singing, the lead actor actually went outside -- >> smoked a cigarette. >> smoked a cigarette and was performing in the street. wait, why are you undercutting what's going on on the stage. this happens. >> i didn't know what you were getting at, joe. that was a long-winded way -- while this woman was speaking at the podium last night about the death of her son, donald trump was on the phone with fox news discussing recent attacks with police and, in fact, taking away attention from his own convention. >> certainly in some instances they are. certainly they have ignited people and you see that. you see that all over. it's a very, very serious situation. we just can't let it happen. now, everybody is free to say what you wan to say up to a
point. but when you're calling death to police, kill the police essentially, which is what they said, that's a real problem, bill. that's a real big problem. >> somebody tweeted later on that he was on the golf channel later in the day. i doubt that's the case. how bizarre is that? >> your own show. >> pretty bizarre. >> mark halperin. >> counter-programming. >> what's also interesting, patricia smith representing benghazi, a big theme in conservative circles. in this campaign you would think that would be broadcast on fox. >> it just shows how overwhelming plagiarism thing is going to be. there were a lot of snafus, the rest by the delegates, attack on john kasich, none of that would be getting much attention today. instead melania plagiarism turns the whole day into a negative. this is the end of a string of
failures as opposed to her speech -- >> they need to clean it up fast. they need to clean it up this morning to protect her. >> yes. still ahead on "morning joe," two top senators on the push to unite gop. republicans tom cotton and john barrasso are here on set plus former attorney again ken cuccinelli whose threw cre tensions on the floor after failing to shab up the convention floor. tomorrow, governor chris christie. you're watching "morning joe." right back live. my cousin's wedding is coming soon. ♪ i like the bride more than the groom. ♪ turquoise dresses... so excited.
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this is a very simple, standard garden variety procedural mechanism we were employing to ask for a roll call vote. we don't regard that as unusual. >> wow? >> a long way from utah. >> what happened? >> he was very good yesterday on the floor. >> he was very good. he didn't become enraged even though he could have. he was like, what the heck, this is just wrong on so many levels and i'm waiting to see how they fix it. the unity was not present yesterday on the convention floor yesterday afternoon as supporter sought roll call on convention rules. it was a vote they were bound to lose. give them an opportunity to register their dissatisfaction. they were joined by conservative delegate led by former attorney general ken cuccinelli and senator mike lee whose changes to rules were blocked last week. party leadership was able to halt the roll call vote which led to a shouting match in front of all the tv cameras with
resting delegates screaming shame while other chanted trump. some delegate registered disappointment while another delegate claimed to have been threatened. >> this is really appalling. this is the party of law and order? i was an attorney general. that matters to me. if you won't obey your own rules, there's no reason to think you'll obey any others. here we've got rnc trampling their own grassroots delegates. >> when i opened the bat room there, there were two women there. they told me i was really stupid. i kind of blew it off. they said, no, we're serious, you should die. it was surprising they really tried to threaten and put us down, maybe in hope to get rid of us. >> that's horrible. >> was yesterday much ado about nothing or is that doing to have impact? >> it's symbolic. we had our own eruption in 2012.
it brought up something constantly a dampener on grassroots enthusiasm during the course in the fall. this was a little more dramatic. the fact they were able to gather sufficient petitions to be able to demand a roll call forced this sort of tension that came about. the whips needed to pull people off the floor and get them to change their votes. i would be shocked if people weren't brought back to paul manafort for the final sell. all in all, probably not what trying to do. there may be an app for plagiarism but there's not for that. >> this is the sort of thing is it better to go ahead and run over them in front of everybody or actually have the vote of people voting against trump over three hours. >> it came to the conclusion it was the lesser of two evils to do the steamroll. >> do you agree with that? >> it probably shouldn't have gotten to that stage.
if they had gone through with the vote, there were 3 or 400 delegates pledged to donald trump, not necessarily trump supporters. so the number the roll call would have gotten, even though it would have lost would have been an embarrassment. better to steamroll and not throw off the convention. >> what would that look like, people actively voicing displeasure with donald trump? >> because the final number -- the final number would have been bad. it would have thrown off the program by a couple hours. melania trump might not have been in prime time if they had gone through the roll call. you start thinking about convention management, time management. >> mark halperin, you had steam rolling and everything else. it made it look like the convention started out split. you've got paul ryan with comments yesterday you showed me, pretty remarkable what paul ryan said yesterday and suggests this party still is in need of
coming together. >> i think it's important, put the band back together, people he's worked with, given divisions in the delegations they have done a pretty good job keeping this from spiraling out of control. there's no doubt there are people here not enthusiastic. one of the most striking thing about the convention is the number of people we all run into here who have been on conventions that say, you're on board now. not really. >> talk about the ryan comments. >> according to ap he spoke to wisconsin delegation, never mentioned donald trump, the party's nominee. later asked about it said he's not my kind of conservative. this is a divided party. yesterday paul manafort spoke at a breakfast across the street, what about the bushes not being here. well, it would be great to be here, but if we're going to have an enemy, the bushes are fine because they represent the establishment. >> wow. >> i think it's 100% true it's
obvious, spent time on the floor asking, are you enthused? is your delegation enthused? half said we're excited, half said we're not excited but we're here for unity. we have to stop hillary clinton. it's not unusual to find people like that at past conventions. it was a bigger proportionate past conventions, not excited about trump. i think the floor stuff i think totally doesn't matter. in the afternoon, no one paying attention. a big night in prime time. you do well between 10:00 and 11:00, all this party attention, who got steam rolled, 3:00 in the afternoon. >> we're part of that coming on. we'll see if they feel the same way you do. coming up the feud between donald trump and ohio governor john kasich keeps on going. we're going to play out for you what they both said about each other yesterday. plus the mayor of this great city of cleveland frank jackson. she spent summer binge-watching.
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can donald trump win in ohio? >> i think it's real hard if you don't have a unifying message. i won the first time on the basis of really bad economics here. the second time i won one of the largest victories but pulled everybody together because ohio, you know, it's really -- really it's a snapshot of america. if you go too hard one way or too hard the other, it's very difficult to win. if you're not a unifier, it's a real challenge. i have to also tell you, frankly, i've been a little surprised at the intensity of the opposition to hillary. ohio is still up for grabs but that person who can give some
hope and unity and a vision i think is the one that will win the state of ohio. it's a very tough state to win. >> look, i beat him very badly. i won 38 states, i won the highest number of votes in the history of the republican party. if i were him and got beaten that badly, i wouldn't show up either. he has a problem, though, he signed a pledge. from a standpoint of honor, i think he should show up. if this were for the democrats he should least show up and say, hello, how are you doing. he got beaten very badly. he should have left many weeks earlier than he did. >> do you think he's being a sore loser. >> i don't want to say that. you know what, it was a very contentious primary. he lost very, very badly. maybe if i were in his position, i wouldn't show up either. >> oh, my goodness.
>> obvious ly a back and forth with paul manafort saying john kasich was embarrassing himself and the people of ohio. that fight tumbled into the evening on o'reilly. >> during the convention. >> but let's keep the story moving that started late last night with melania trump's speech and plagiarism. we suggested they get it behind them very quickly so they can move on tonight. it does not appear they are not following our sage advice. >> are you kidding me? >> former colleague, cnn reporting just now. just talked to paul manafort. he said there was no plagiarism. the lines from melania trump's speech were not lifted. he was asked, was it plagiarized? quote, of course not. >> do you hear our crowd. >> these are common words. >> america, did the line seem
lifted? >> it's always a good idea to keep the story going. >> this is the sale man that came on the show and called john kassig an embarrassment. why do we think paul manafort ought to look for another job. i'm serious. that guy is so negative. that guy is so divisive. what does he do besides create trouble. >> forget that for a second. that's your view. >> are you discounting what i'm saying? >> i'm saying you have your pibb. >> that is my opinion. >> that's why i said i'm sure you have your opinion. >> do you guys agree? [ applause ] >> but be that as it may, and that's mika's opinion, guys, we've got a crisis management issue here, leadership. >> the crisis manager is a little -- >> when you make a mistake and it's clear you make a mistake, you get it behind you as quickly as possible. there have been problems before in the past with this campaign where they let things just bleed
and bleed and bleed. in this case, don't they have to finish it quickly? >> get some other news out there to try to overwhelm it, which i don't know they have to do. this will be the story of the day until they do something to change the story of the day. >> maybe they don't understand, john, and there's no reason why they should because this is the first time they have been in this business but every day is a win or a loss, a win or a loss. you know what, by the fourth day, i was saying on the air mitt romney blew it at his convention, it was a disastrous convention and it was going to cost him in the fall. you don't realize how tight of a timeframe you have here. you can't lose a day and three days from now and say, you know what, the pressure is too big, we're going to have to fire somebody. they need to do it now. >> as you pointed out paul manafort has done it before. he's got a lot of experience and a lot of experienced deputies. they can't claim they have never done a convention before.
i do think when people make it over and over it's cliche, convention and speeches are the last things they have control over that are big opportunities to reach millions of voters. the debates are not in their control. the fall is crazy. this is the moment they have under their complete control. so what are you going to do today? are you going to let this be a two-day story or just take the hit and move along. >> there's three options. she did it her self, which would be unfortunate. someone did it who can't be fired on the campaign. someone did it who can be fired on the campaign. until we know the facts of who did it, it's hard to know. >> this is the candidate's wife. >> this is about you've got to protect the candidate's wife. >> i think the candidate probably ultimately has to do that, but something has to happen. >> no one is going to accept
paul manafort's position. >> nobody. >> why does paul manafort think he can say things like that and run over people. >> the facts are such that they have no other choice. >> the facts are so bad. somebody they can't fire? >> my questions. that is not going to be something that can be suspended. >> saying this is not plagiarism. why wouldn't they fire someone. if they fired someone, what would be the point. >> the big question paul manafort, let's get paul manafort's statement up and we'll roll it again and we'll let america decide. again, paul manafort can just say, listen, we'll talk about it later. but to say it's that position. while we're queueing this up, if their official position is it's not plagiarism, we're going to run it again. not because we want to but because their campaign is
doubling down and so we'll let americans decide. >> let's do it after the break. i don't think we have time. >> do we have time, dan? no more time. >> "washington post" robert costa is joining us. >> robert costa, i really like what he's doing with his hair. it's a total mess. it's like bed head. >> we're not talking about the mayor frank jackson who has fantastic hair. >> fantastic hair. >> he joins us next. we'll talk about the security challenges surrounding the convention and ongoing struggles with community policing across the nation. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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it's just about 50 past the hour. joining us mayor frank jackson, mayor of cleveland. how are you? welcome to the show? >> thank you. welcome to cleveland. >> we're glad to be back. >> absolutely. >> have you enjoyed your self? >> absolutely. we have a week ahead that's going to be fascinating. don't you think? >> i hope so. >> let's rephrase that.
we're trying to avoid anything too fascinating. tell us how you're handling security here. it feels like the city is locked down and safe. >> that's what our goal is to have a successful convention for the party so they can do what they need to do but to also have a safe and secure convention in terms of visitors, delegates, police, protesters. >> i noticed make of the protesters weren't where they were supposed to be. do you have a lot of problems with that? >> that's what protesters do. if you give them a clear script to do something, they will do whatever you told them not to do is what they do. but we've had experience with demonstrations and protests before. so we take an engagement approach, community policing and engagement approach. if need be, we'll do whatever we need. >> mr. mayor, i happened to encounter your police chief, chief williams yesterday. very impressive.
very low key in the way he's handling all the demonstrators. but there seems to be some concern among a few of the police i was speaking to yesterday about the boundaries of the open carry law. are you at all concerned about it and would you like to have had the ability to prevent the open carry law from being employed here at least during -- >> if you're asking my preference, i would prefer we not have open carry, but it is the law of the land. since it is the law, we enforce the law. not only do we enforce it to allow the open carry but we enforce it in terms of letting those who do that understand what their parameters are. so his job and the police job is to enforce the law and not allow people either way to go beyond their boundaries. >> you've seen a lot of this, mr. mayor and the country has seen a lot of it, tension in
police, dallas, baton rouge and cleveland, certainly had its own taste with shooting death of tamir rice. how are you changing that dynamic in cleveland? what are you doing to work to make that relationship better between police and the communities they police? >> it's an ongoing effort. there's no one thing. anybody tells you i do this and we're going to be okay, panaceas don't work. it has to be an every day ongoing situation where you engage people. it's pretty hard to do harm to somebody you actually like. so we have a police policy of engagement, community policing, interacting with people. the one thing that we are focused on is a lot of training. a lot of good training. also we're encouraging police officers who have urban experiences because of urban conversation and urban behaviors
distinctly different than other behavior. very aggressive. because it's aggressive does not mean it's going to do anything or go any further than that. but those police officers who don't understand that conversation or that behavior may take it as a threat. so we want police officers to be engaging but also to understand who are you policing and being part of it. >> go ahead, mike. >> do you have a sense of how many members of the cleveland police department police officers live in the city? >> we once had a law that required all to live here, all employees of the city of cleveland. the state passed a law saying you could not enforce that. so i don't know what that percentage is now. but it's higher than what people anticipated it would be once the state law passed. >> thanks so much for having us here in cleveland.
we really appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. up next, the very latest on the controversy swirling around melania trump's keynote address at the convention. what the campaign just said in response to charges of plagiarism. chuck todd and robert costa join us with their latest reporting. "morning joe" is back in a moment live from the convention.
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all the way to november. there will be good times and hard times and unexpected turns. it would not be a trump contest without excitement and drama. >> welcome back to "morning joe." >> so this is, mika, pretty remarkable. the world we live in. we saw this early on "morning joe" when willie, you and i started the show, would go on at 6:00. at 6:01 we would get an e-mail from david axelrod saying that's not right. the clintons would say it's not right. we would read a statement at 6:03. we would then get a statement from hillary clinton camp and howard would go, that's not right. so it was in realtime. what we had last night were a lot of people falling asleep saying, wow, melania trump
outperformed expectations. she really put a great checkmark on day one. then we wake up this morning and ka-boom. >> as valerie jarrett said the morning we were talking about stan mcchrystal and said he's going to be fired, he's going to be fired. she told "politico" the next day and said i saw a cloud rising over "morning joe" and i knew we were in for a turn. that's what happened. we went to bed last night thinking, wow, she did a great job. we wake up this morning and suddenly the world we live in, everybody was working through the night and we find out that there's this plagiarism. >> last thing i saw as i went to bed last night was chuck todd on nbc -- sorry about that, you put me to sleep. we were talking about the speech. we said, wow, for someone who stepped on a stage for the first major speech of her life really, she did a great job.
then you wake up at 5:00 or 4:00 in the morning to this story about plagiarism. >> or 5:59. >> the thing we talked about this morning, boy, did they botch the order of that last night. can you imagine? why didn't they end with melania. by the way, the delegates thought the night was over. they all left and johnny ernst, a nice moment that should have been at 10:30. >> i don't think convention order is the problem. >> no. the problem this morning is melania's speech. donald trump took to the stage on the first night of the party's gathering in cleveland, as you saw there, addressing the convention before his wife's speech with a dazzling entry. >> i could watch this over and over. >> over and over again. look at that. >> let it stretch out.
>> impressive looking. >> thank you, everybody. thank you. thank you very much. we're going to win so big. >> there is a word for this in greek theater. >> epic. >> huge. >> what do you think freddie mercury thinks of this? looking down. >> he spoke for only a few moments before welcoming his wife on the stage where she talked about her journey to america and her husband. >> i can tell you with certainty that my husband has been concerned about our country for as long as i have known him. with all of my heart, i know that he will make a great and
lasting difference. donald has a great and deep and unbound determination and a never give up attitude. i have seen for years to get the project done or even started, and he does not give up. if you want someone to fight for you and your country, i can assure you he's the guy. >> wow. so within just hours, two hours of her star turn before the convention, the speech she delivered was called into question over two passages in the speech that had word for word similarities with the speech of another aspiring first lady, michelle obama at the 2008 democratic convention. here are the two sections side by side. >> from a young age, my parents impressed on me --
>> barack and i were raised with so many -- >> values. >> same values. >> that you worked hard for what you want in life. >> you work hard for what you want in life. >> that your work is your bond. >> that your word is your bond. >> you do what you say and keep your promise. >> that you do what you say you're going to do. >> you treat people with respect. >> that you treat people with dignity and respect. barack and i set out to build lives guided by these values and to pass them onto the next generation. >> we need to pass those lessons onto the many generations to follow. >> because we want our children -- >> because we want our children -- >> and all children in this nation. >> in this nation to know -- >> that the only limit to the height of your achievement. >> to know that the only limit to your achievements. >> is the reach of your dreams.
>> is the strength of your dreams. >> and your willingness to work hard for them. >> and your willingness to work for them. >> i've got to say -- that james comey talking about hillary clinton and clips between what hillary clinton said at the u.n. press conference and what james comey said nine months later proving that what she said was just not true, that was a devastating clip that our crack staff put together early on. chuck todd, in its own way, this is extraordinarily devastating, too. we just wonder what they are going to do to get behind it because right now paul manafort is doubling down. let's read the statement -- >> moments ago trump campaign chairman paul manafort responded, quote, there is no
cribbing of michelle obama's speech. these were common words and values, and she cares about her family. things like that. she was speaking in front of 35 million people last night. she knew that. to think that she would be cribbing michelle obama's words is crazy. this is once again an example of when a woman threatens hillary clinton how she seeks out to did he mean her and take her down. it's not going to work. went on to say, what she did was use words that are common words. to expect she would do something like that knowing how scrutinized her speech would be last night is really absurd. >> so chuck, this is what we would call taking a bad situation and making it worse. >> seriously -- >> there are other ways, other ways to explain -- as mark
halperin said last hour, if they don't fire somebody there's a reason, because the person responsible cannot be fired. >> that's the only explanation. >> that's it. >> that statement is even worse this morning because of the statement they put out four hours ago. >> which i didn't understand that statement, which to me was their version of saying, we don't know yet. >> we have it. go ahead. the trump campaign issued a statement after brought out on twitter. her beautiful speech, melania's team of writers took notes on her life inspirations and in some instances used fragments of her thinking. melania's experience and love for america shone through. >> some instances. this is their way of admitting they messed up.
what manafort did this morning has now made that statement seem false. >> manafort. >> obviously a great story of what occurred overnight, which we'll all eventually figure out. this is a test for them. if they can't put this out by prime time tonight they are in danger of having half the convention being dominate bid this. you can't waste half the convention. >> by the way, if they don't think robert costa that something like this doesn't stop the campaign dead in their tracks, i suggest they go back to the fall and winter of 1987 and see how joe biden's entire campaign was stopped dead in its tracks over plagiarism charges. >> the statement last night and paul manafort this morning, it's really not that surprising to see because there is a culture of defiance within the trump
campaign. there's a sense. >> and trump. >> enabled by trump, driven by trump, shaped by the candidate. it comes from the candidate down. based on my reporting last night, jason miller, the communications adviser, paul manafort, they took about an hour or so to come up with this statement huddling together, and there was a sense within the trump campaign a few blocks away as they were thinking this through that the press is the problem here, the press is stepping overboard. that's the way they think about it. >> i don't think they are thinking that this morning. >> they just can't. look at the tape. this is not us. >> they can't be thinking that this morning. from some conversations i've had this morning, they are not thinking that this morning, that this is the press. this is an internal problem they have got to fix. i've got to say, paul manafort is not helping things at all by coming up with statements last night that didn't make sense and
making them operative this morning four hours later. >> i don't know how a corner painted by the statement manafort put out, in no uncertain terms, this is not plagiarism, without them going back -- >> manafort has just put a target on his back. now the way you fix it is by firing paul manafort. >> two days in a row, you could argue that manafort himself, a manafort statement has caused a bad half of a news cycle. >> manafort statement, chuck todd, made i believe before 7:00 a.m. drove news all day. >> the governor of this state, who is pretty popular, right? saying he's embarrassing himself and -- >> the irony if manafort had simply said, we respect the
governor. we know he's popular here. we're looking forward to him coming on the campaign at some point. by the way, nobody is talking about john kasich. nobody is talking about him on the first day of the convention, unless manafort. the one thing manafort was hired to do initially was what, make sure the convention didn't overthrow the results of the primary. half a day to make sure that point is right. that half went well. >> there's a looming question here, you look at the initial statement, they have this phrase, a team of writers. >> a team of writers. >> a team of writers. still not clear trying to figure out, who is part of that team of writers. steven miller main campaign speechwriter. based on what i heard he did not participate in melania trump's speech. >> this had to be up here. >> three speeches that matter in the convention, just three.
the nominee, the vp nominee -- >> the wife. >> the first lady. >> and ivanka. >> now ivanka's is even more important. but that speech, that speech. >> you know they didn't do it on purpose. let's stipulate that. this is not something planted on purpose. someone made a mistake. many people make a mistake. this the kind of thing you need suspenders to catch it. videotape doesn't lie. someone made a mistake. that person has to be identified or they have to make a scapegoat. >> what does it say about the campaign did they make it through the belt and suspenders. if you're going to write first lady you go back and review speeches, haven't done this before. somebody obviously read michelle obama's speech. >> well received. >> to cut and paste that speech and drop it into a speech that
made it into the teleprompter is something else. >> they cut an pasted and changed like one word here and there. >> that's the worst part of it. it's almost -- if it were totally word for word, you could say cut and paste. >> they tried to hoodwink google. >> very strong, just swapping. >> let's step back a bit and look what happened over the past 12 hours. the speech is made. it got past the vetters. there are no vetters, a couple of cats walking around, wires hanging from above. that's mistake number one. it made it past the vetters. mistake number two, still in this 12-hour time period -- not even 12 hours, i think it's seven hours. second mistake they make, they put out a statement talking about a team of writers. the third mistake they make, they make three or four hours
later where they say, manafort says, no problem here. there is no vetting, making the statement they put out four hours earlier inoperative. this is exactly what the republican establishment has feared for the past several months that donald trump would not have a team he could put together to run an effective general election. >> i would dial back and say the mistake started when they put together the speech, whoever it was, and not looking at melania trump and her value. this is a multi-lingual woman with international experience. she could have spoken in several languages. she could have talked about how she came here the right way. it's definitely part of their message. she could have been incredible. i thought her speech, except for the plagiarism, was lovely. but it could have been incredible. she could have been unbelievable articulate. she's a very bright woman. she just missed their nose in front of their face.
>> it's not that problem. the problem is bob costa, reported on the trump campaign all along, they are stretched so thin. it's not like they even have one person say, okay, you're going to take care of the melania speech. work on it for the next month. that does not exist in the trump campaign. >> it could have been done in a day. >> the thing about the trump campaign is the trump campaign is donald trump. what i heard is he flew back to new york last night. he's in new york, his campaign is here in cleveland. he's moderating the news. everyone is waiting to see what mr. trump does. that's kind of the way people talk about trump within his inner circle. he's driving the decision. >> i have to say, funny you say this, as we've been talking here, you can picture jason and paul manafort coming up with that statement at 4:00 in the morning, trump seeing it and then manafort. >> manafort basically parroting
trump this morning. >> wouldn't be surprised if trump tells manafort that statement isn't going to work. >> you say, you know what, i'm not doing it. it's going to mess things up even more. since i already messed things up yesterday, maybe perhaps i'm not -- >> playing to form, though, donald trump doubles down. he did it on mccain. he did it on megyn kelly. >> they are doing her a disservice. she did a lovely job. they wrote a good speech for her. she obviously practiced a lot. >> beautiful. >> it would have been the triumphant story of the night. instead they are letting her be out there. i think he will try to create a distraction where they fire somebody. they have to do one or the other. what manafort has done now is ask everybody to play over and over today to judge for themselves whether there's plagiarism now. >> they have brought more attention to it by denying it. >> they are denying it, play the clip again.
>> it's like -- >> to protect her they need -- this is 6:00. to protect melania, who has to be protected. >> absolutely. >> as possible first lady. >> this should be the most important thing they are -- >> very quickly this morning. however they do it, if they -- it's politics, i'm sorry. if there's a scapegoat, they have to get this behind them. paul manafort's approach, donald trump's approach in the past won't work. >> on what grounds do you fire somebody this morning. you just said plagiarism. what are they fired for? >> for not organizing the campaign in such a way that would have been caught this. >> who do you fire. >> whoever -- >> the guy that's made news for the past two days. i'm not saying paul manafort should be fired. >> don't you think -- >> i am. >> mika is.
i'm just saying if there's nobody to fire on lower levels, then you're going to have to go there. >> this is not just a metaphor for something, this is an active problem. basic things, as you said before, republicans are concerned about, they can't always do the basic things. trump himself papers over a lot of the weaknesses but this is a problem that embarrassed someone central to the campaign. >> by the way, let's not forget there are a bunch of angry delegates from yesterday afternoon's session. this is no way to make delegates feel better about the campaign. >> no. >> i'm not saying anything is going to happen. nothing is going to happen. but they are a pretty angry bunch. you have some delegates i talked to yesterday evening that thought never trump votes were poorly treated by campaign and rnc and the way that rent down. so they are not building new love with their delegate. >> that would be an
understatement. chuck todd and robert costa, thank you both. look for you throughout the day. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> what happened to there's no black america, there's no white america, there is just america. what happened to it. where did it go? how has it flown away. >> rudy giuliani electrofied the audience last night. >> i'm scared. >> kind of like the howard dean thing. if you were in the hall at the time it sounded far different than it sounded -- >> definitely. >> because inside the hall, he he electrofied the crowd. >> we're sorry about that. >> it actually changed coverage of the prime time. everybody turned around, what was that? >> the crowd went crazy. >> hear from some of the less conventional speakers as well.
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is donald trump a messiah? no. he's just a man. a man who wants to give back to his country, america. the country that has given him everything. a country that has also given us so much. now it's time to give back to her. we have a choice in november. hillary clinton wants to be president for hillary clinton. donald trump wants to be president for all of us. let's make america great again,
but let's make america america again. >> mika, willie. >> joanie loves -- >> where are we? >> not a messiah. >> not a messiah. >> just a man with beautiful diagonal ties. >> i did not know where you were going. >> editor of "the fix," khris cillizza, also nicolle wallace, and also "new york times" -- you can clap for her if you want to. "new york times" super columnist and superman frank, good to see you here. george w. bush.
>> you wrote sarah palin. >> an original work. >> how does monaco like this happen? could this have ever happened under any campaign you ever worked for, whether bush or mccain? >> no. >> why not? >> because what you never do is subject a family member to this. >> there are things. >> the wife. >> the wife or husband. that is actually, you've said this before, that's when you were the most fearful. that's when you would spin out the most. >> you know why? that's when the politician himself or her self is the most anxious. i'm sure donald trump was more stressed about his wife's speech than his own. >> george w. bush far more stressed when laura spoke. >> the year she spoke at the white house correspondent's dinner was the most stressful in the eight years. so to subject a spouse to what is now going to be a day long controversy is really almost a
pr crime. >> chris cillizza, how does that happen? >> well, it shouldn't. it's malpractice, but it's not unique in this campaign. look, in college, the college professors have software, probably high school, that allows you to find common phrases. >> do they really? you're freaking me out? >> how else would they kw it's plagiarized. the point is, this is not a high bar checking. this is not 1980 when there was no internet, you couldn't check. also, if you're going to plagiarize a speech -- >> plagiarize a republican. >> democratic nominee's wife. >> mamie eisenhower. >> so frank, making matters worse, it seems to me the first rule of crisis management is mitigate damages as quickly as
possible. manafort doubling down saying no plagiarism here when clearly there's plagiarism. >> not just saying no plagiarism here but i think he put out a statement saying hillary clinton is threatened by other women. i don't know what hillary clinton had to do with this. this was noticed by many people, not the hillary clinton campaign. it's astonishing, we keep being told by donald trump how amazingly he's going to run the country but he doesn't seem to be able to run a coherent campaign or put on a convention without controversy. >> i love the line, somebody on twitter said to me today, everyone knows that famous slovenian phrase, my word is my bond. >> there's no wiggle room here. we've played the tape twice, side by side. they are direct phrases michelle obama spoke eight years ago that melania repeated last night. to come out and say it's not plagiarism, american people aren't dumb. they know their own eyes.
>> it's such a soft area. people want to forgive a spouse. so easy to say a mistake was made and we are sorry but we're really proud of melania. she didn't do it. fire her speechwriter. >> what's worse, i think people are tougher on women. they are in a terrible position. >> that's to nicole's point, this is the worse possible position to put someone in. the only thing i can think of the speechwriter not named and fired is if the speechwriter is a member of donald trump's circle that can't be named and fired. otherwise, this is the sort of thing you would see someone be gone for. to nicole's point, look, it was a mistake. she didn't know about it. to her point, an honest error. this person has been removed. so this person not removed, you have to ask your self, who was the person writing the speech. >> there's no way anybody would be foolish enough, frank, to lift michelle obama's words and
put them in the speech. we talked about pulitzer prize winners in the past who have been charged with plagiarism, talk about this is what happens. we all know because we all write. you write a lot of things. you get a note from here, you get a note from there. you go somewhere else, you come back, there's a note. again, this one instance, this pulitzer prize winner said, there are some notes here, it happened a while back. i was pulling everything together very quickly and i didn't have the notations there. people would accept that. instead they are just saying this isn't plagiarism. >> which makes it worse. >> it can happen, you're reading a bunch of stuff and writing your own thing, you always worry you'll unintentionally have a phrase that came from elsewhere. if they said that, that's human, still sloppy that the campaign didn't catch it. >> the biggest crime there would be putting in words that are kind of pleasantries, which is
focusing on her story, which is useful. >> how does she move forward from this? she has not been someone taken to campaigning easily. she obviously doesn't want to play a huge role. you need your spouse in a campaign like this to play some kind of role in the coming months. what does she feel like today and how does she move forward with any poise. >> credibility has been -- >> if i were here, nicole, the thing that would upset me the most, when everybody went to bed last night, they were praising her. praising her grace under fire, her ability to step up on a stage that nobody can even begin to imagine how big that stage is, and she did. >> that's right. >> i'm just judging this from e-mails and text. >> it was good. the speech was well delivered. >> i was in the hall. it was a high mark by a mile. she was elegant, articulate, funny. she delivered the grace note to bob dole. it fell to her to be the person.
what it speaks to, the question i keep asking, why isn't he getting better and why isn't this campaign getting better? she's the first victim of this sort of campaign mired in mayhem. >> make no mistake, somebody sitting at home and doesn't know politic, this is not about melania trump. >> no. >> this is about a campaign that is dysfunctional. >> careless. >> that's careless and, again, doesn't have the institutional controls in place that can win general elections. >> you can't let this happen. it's such an avoidable error. >> vice presidential role. >> nothing is happening with any discipline, nothing happening with any thoroughness. you're asking people to let me run the country and this the stuff that keeps happening, how do you give voters confidence in your management. >> i always said you want to win a republican primary, i can
teach you how to do it in five minutes. i'm serious. i can teach you how to do it in five minutes. when i ran at 29, i knew how to win a republican primary. for a little congressional race i didn't pay anybody a dime. i got to the general lec, things started getting more complicated. i said i need help with this. >> right. >> for donald trump to think he can win a republican primary and move onto a general election and not do the sort of things we started saying two months ago he needed to do is insanity and that's why we have vice presidential rollout the way it was, as sloppy as it was, and now this. >> if you go back to last week where he was so publicly ringing his hands about the process. you string through the "60 minutes" interview and last night, this is a campaign that is literally screwing the wings on at 30,000 photo and thinks going to get away. >> don't insult the governor of a state that no republican won
the presidency. a nice guy, too, people like. >> day one unity, day two, plagiarism. >> stay with us, chris cillizza coming back later in the show. >> that's big. >> i feel good. the unrest that took over the floor over the adoption of the rules. we'll bring in colorado delegate. >> you love her. >> she's on my tv show, where is my blackberry. anyhow -- donald trump : i love the old days; you know what they used to do with guys like that when they were in a place like this? they'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. and you can tell them to go f--- themselves! i
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sometimes you're better off if you're in a position of strength allowing people to vent and using that as an opportunity to bring the party together. reince priebus is a good chairman and he's decided to plow through. my guess is this is not going to be seen as the right move to maximize. we haven't seen this over a candidate for a long, long time. it's not, in my judgment, good. >> that was former congressman vin weber reacting to the chaos on the convention floor yesterday. joining us now convention
delegate from colorado and anti-tru anti-trump, good to have you on board. >> we saw you live on tv. they were trying to ask questions, you were like, i've got to find my phone. >> when you're in the midst of that and the distraction is all around and you're trying to do a job. this is the key moment. this is what you've been working for? >> this is why she's so good, joe. she's a teacher for high school juniors. so if she can handle them, she can handle a bunch of us. kendal unruh. >> what happened? >> notice the fact i'm in my funeral attire. >> you watched the conservative voice in the party yesterday and you had a candidate like donald trump who already had his foot on the oxygen hose. yesterday it was just the strangulation of the voice of
conservatives. actually what happened yesterday, the whole world got to see and that was the shutdown of a procedural move where we were just trying to have our votes counted. and it's very -- the idea of having a vote and a vote heard and counted is something that's systemic to the core of america. >> do you expect to get a vote? >> well, i just wish we would have had a vote. >> were you surprised watching it they didn't get a vote. >> actually what we had, we had the coalition we came in with, unbound and free the delegates. we came in with 1100 votes. we had interesting coalition wasn't just about the clause and unbinding, what you saw on the floor, it was actually people truly upset that all the power is in the hands of the rnc. and that is truly what you're seeing the backlash against was just this overwhelming power grab with rnc joined at the hip
now with trump and making sure that the brass roots know they have been disenfranchised. trump has said himself he doesn't need conservatives to within and i guess he means it. >> there was a walk out by someone yesterday about this. do you have an expectation people will walk out during his speech? >> here is the deal, it's now organic. they are upset. they want their voices heard and they certainly want to have their votes counted. can you see when it's been railroaded, you can see when it's not a fair process. from day one we said even with unbinding movement, just allow people to vote their conscious. >> let me bring you back to my specific question. do you plan -- >> i know others are planning to walk out. >> do you plan to walk out during his speech? >> we are going to do a little more dramatic -- we're not going to walk out because i don't want our seats filled, i want to make the statement we're displeased so we're going to be reading the rise and fall of the roman
empire. >> getting ready for the school year. >> you never know, he may borrow some passages from that. so there's a question of strategy. let me ask you, what are the pros, what are the cons of letting the vote go forward and sort of letting everybody abstain versus not letting the vote go forward and rolling over everybody so you don't have to hear how many people are against donald trump. if there was a vote the programming would have gotten thrown off. finding out how many votes there would have been against donald trump. the other interesting part of it is, this is a lot of rnc internal politics combined with donald trump. it was clear to me donald trump
isn't being injured in this process by the fact a lot of this fight was over actually rnc internal rules and control and the chairman. >> already, kendal unruh, thank you so much. you don't teach a summer school class. >> it's going to be interesting what i did over my summer vacation. >> yes, it is. bring the kids in. thanks for being on. still ahead, the man who had the pleasure of addressing the convention stage while all this unrest was taking place on the convention floor. it was awkward but he got through it, senator john barrasso along with senator tom cotton who spoke last night. "morning joe" from cleveland is back in a moment.
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senator tom cotton from arkansas spoke last night at the convention. his lovely wife here as well. also with us chair of gop platform committee john barrasso, he's already complaining. >> why? he's always complaining. >> last time i got a t-shirt. >> i've got some fabulous cups for you. >> wow, look at that. that's a cup. >> tom. >> they told me all access pass. >> great pens, too. >> don't say i didn't give you anything. >> come on now. we need to save some of those. >> for all of our guests, departing, rice a roni, the san francisco treat. >> awkward. >> drove through it. >> presenting the platform adopted overwhelmingly at times. it was an interesting time we got out there. the crowd came together.
i think they liked the message, which is a conservative message of getting people back to work again. jobs, the economy, national security. >> out there yelling saying conservatives got crushed. it was the end of conservatism. >> it's interesting. today "the new york times" calls republican platform an extreme platform because it's so conservative. so it is a solid conservative republican platform. >> is the candidate conservative. >> he's embraced the platform and it's a conservative platform. >> that's a careful answer. >> tom cotton, what was it like last night getting up on the big stage. >> it was a lot of fun. i had a great time getting out. they asked me to prepare about my service and veterans. my dad served in vietnam, my granddad. >> moving speech, moving story. i wonder, was it hard for you to decide to come and speak for a guy who has been a democrat -- >> stop. >> no, i'm serious. this is a question people have to ask.
he's been a democrat 67 of his 68 years. he's taken positions in arkansas, even though i know he's popular there. any problems for you making the decision? >> for a man who has been a democrat all their life, my father, too, a lot of arkansasans. this is the first time it's been the majority party at a convention. an exciting time for us. it's an example of how to grow our party. we have a conservative platform but conservatives aren't majority in our country. we have to have more than just conservatives to win as republicans. >> donald trump. >> i support donald trump. i support the trump/pence ticket and i want to make sure republicans win the presidency and congress and on down the ballot. that's one reason i'm here this week. >> senator, i'm a republican. one of my concerns, as republican, is that there are going to be a lot of people that are going to get wiped out in the fall and we may lose the senate. whether you're talking about kelly, whether you're talking
about what's happening in wisconsin with ron, pennsylvania, there are a lot of other states. i'm worried about ohio right now. is that a fair concern? >> we want to hold the senate. i believe we are going to hold the senate. this is an election about change versus more of the same. donald trump represents change. hillary is another four years after eight years of barack obama. the country can't stand that. two-thirds of americans think the country is heading in the wrong direction. >> barack obama has high approval ratings right now. >> his personal approval ratings may be high. but in terms of the direction of the country, people want fundamental change. they want a successful future with a strong and safe america and donald trump is ready to deliver that. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> on track to win now. going to be changes. if they do, what changes? >> this is a solid campaign focused on the things that unite americans. jobs, the economy, national
security. the platform is an optimistic appealing platform for people from all -- >> on track to win just as they are? >> i believe absolutely. you take a look at some of these polls in battleground states, whether florida, ohio, pennsylvania, within the margin of error. these are states that don't always go republican. these are states we can win. we have senate candidates very strong candidates on the ballots in each of those states, so i think we are on track to win. >> we as a party are losing women by 23 points at the top of our ticket. do you even want to win with white men? i'm embarrassed. 40% of hispanic vote. narrowed gender gap. are you proud our path to victory is to turn out more white guys?
>> bring in others. >> donald trump can't appeal to women. >> change, more of the same. >> the platform the most conservative ever. do you think women are attracted to the platform. >> it's a platform focused on jobs. women are concerned about economy. >> senator tom a republican. >> i'm worried. >> thank you for coming on the show. we appreciate it. still ahead, andrea mitchell sits down with the only former nominee. his last name is not romney, mccain or bush. you're watching "morning joe."
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plagiarism? >> not when 80% is completely different than michelle obama's speech. >> almost word for word. >> at the first day is the worst day because everybody is building up to it. everybody gets about something to cover and controversy to talk about. i think after tonight we'll move onto whatever comes up tonight. >> no. no. no. we'll be talking about this because it's getting crazy. it's getting absolutely crazy. good morning. we are live again from cleveland at the site of the republican national convention. we have bloomberg politics mark halprin, nicole wallace and chris and political reporter robert costa. joe, you have -- >> so let's do a little background before we set the scene.
>> okay. >> we have obviously shown clips of melania trump's speech. lines lifted from my shoichelle obama's speech in 2008. mark has been reporting on this. we all have. i have been making calls. katy tur also making calls also obviously. this is what we know right now from what katy tur is reporting and what mark and i have started to dissect and that is that each family member according to katy tur was given a family member they were responsible for. >> a staffer. >> a staffer. >> donald trump made it very clear that the most important family member was melania trump. paul manafort and somebody connected to manafort, he put
one of his most trusted deputies reportedly on melarnia trump. >> it came under his per view. he was supposed to sign off on it. he did in fact sign off on it. >> and a speech she did not really want to do. >> right. a speech she did not want to do. donald trump pushed her into doing this speech, saying it was very important to do. katy tur reporting this morning that melania trump has become disillusioned with the campaign and did not show up with a mike pence selection because she felt like the children had put too much pressure on her husband to select a vice presidential candidate that he was not comfortable with. donald trump also said a source said to katy tur this is now a
save my marriage situation and heads are probably going to roll in the campaign but he is going to fix this. i will tell you, people associated with paul manafort's camp, and we have all heard it this morning, have actually thrown melania trump under the bus and say we have three different reports -- >> that's a no. >> we have three different reporters that have come back saying that manafort are claiming or those close to manafort are claiming that melania trump is the one that added michelle obama's words to the speech. you don't have to have a masters degree in political science to know that that stuff is not going to fly. donald trump reportedly 45 minutes ago still asleep because he got back very late.
he flew back to new york. >> the guy works 24 hours a day. >> but he got back very late last night. a lot of this unfolded while he is trying to recover with a four or five-hour nap. i suspect it will not fly well with donald trump. if we are hearing allies are trying to throw his wife under the bus we'll see shake-up sooner rather than later. >> we are told saturday -- it is clearly the first time the wife did not come to the have thevice presidential announcement. a lot of people wondered what was going on. even if she inserted the words herself -- >> no body believes that. >> but even if she did a staffer is in charge of her saying where did all of these words come
from? right now there is a lot of tension within the campaign because people are worried there will be a show down today about whether a manafort or trump is the driver of how to solve this. >> manafort has been putting the blame squarely on melania trump. >> he really set the convention on a bad course by picking a fight with john kasich. this morning he is throwing melania under the bus. we would say he is not having ra good weechlkt anyone thk. the fastest way to get yourself in trouble is to do a bad job serving the spouse. the spouse doesn't pick this path. it has to be pure upside for the
campaign and pure upside -- michelle obama had this much good will but melania trump had 100% good will. everyone was roogt far very polarizing political figure. she had an opportunity to soften his very rough edges. this morning all we are talking about is how the plagiarism tack place. i have never seen this before with another family member. >> it is definitely unprecedented. it was a first day in cleveland. it looked like it would be capped off by donald trump's thr theatrical entrance.
>> he was a super hero. >> he was 100% professional. >> it because fog machine. >> he is addressing far few moments. he is sort of arnold schwarzenegger versus i don't know what here. melania talked about her husband's ability to lead. >> my husband has been concerned about her country for as long as i have known him. with all of my heart i know that he will make a great and lasting difference. donald has a great and deep and unbonding determination and never give up attitude. he does not give up.
if you want someone to fight for you and your country i can assure you, he is the guy. >> it bears repeating this morning when we all went to sleep, we all had concluded and certainly the people we texting me concluded this was a hit, she not only performed but she had exceeded expectations and wowed the crowd and a lot of people across america. >> i do a winners and losers column. she was number one on in the winners. it wasn't the most amazing speech but you knew she was reluctant to give it. >> she executed beautifully. >> she is likable, warm. it was hard for me to believe you would be thinking worse of donald trump. >> there are is many things that
are frightening about her voice and physicality -- >> and yet i had to move her this morning i get all of these e-mails. we can't leave her in winners. now the whole story is not this was a well-delivered speech. >> yeah, but really i think making it all the more impressive is she was reluctant to give the speech. >> she is always behind the scenes. >> yet she did it for her husband, for her marriage. that's what makes this morning, i'm sure, all the more galling, that she was let down by a staff member. >> i was there last night when paul and jason miller, others were leaving, they were being congratulated because of melania
trump's turn. within that time period from midnight to 2:00 a.m. this thing picked up. it became a national story quick. trump is on his way back to new york. it was chaos inside of the trump campaign. the statement took a while to come out. that's where we are right now. >> and the statement is -- you cannot -- reasonable people cannot look at those things side by side and say well, this is not -- maybe it was just -- in chris christie's explanation, look, 96% is still plaplagiaris. >> they had the statement they put out last night and then manafort undercut it. >> they were all clustered around her phone, what is going on? i haven't heard from her in a
week. >> the speech had word for word similarities with another aspiring first lady. >> this is more strange at the 2008 democratic convention. here are the sections of the two speeches side by side. >> from a young age my parents impressed on me -- >> we were. >> the values. >> the same values. >> that you work hard for what you want in life. >> you work hard for what you want in life. >> that your word is your bond. >> that your word is your bond. >> and that you do what you do. >> that you treat people with respect. >> that you treat people with dignity and respect. we set out to build lives and pass them onto the next
generation. >> we need to pass those lessons onto the many generations to follow. >> because we want our children -- >> because we want our children -- >> and all children in this nation. >> in this nation. >> to know that the only limit to the height of the achievement. >> that the only limit to your achievements -- >> and is strength of your dreams. >> and your willingness to work hard for them. >> and your willingness to work for them. >> i would ask you if that would have ever happened in the campaign you were involved in. >> it would have never happened. about a month ago we had a conversation on the set when you said the most nervous you ever were during all of your years with george w. bush and john mccain is when you had to write
something for laura. >> because it is the thing that makes the candidate in the roller derby rink, as vulnerable as a child. a spouse is so vulnerable when they are exposing their spouse to a public life they did not choose. i think he wanted everyone focused. he would rather more attention and care be paid to melarnia's speech than his own. this is stunning what we just aired. the fact that they were careless with the speech and they are treating her from a surrogate from a state -- >> they embarrassed her last night and this morning based on reporting from several sources they are throwing her under the bus. >> so i still think this all comes back to paul manafort for
some reason. there is something wrong there. mark my words, he is going to have to go. paul manafort is defending the speech in interviews. this is like saying everybody who is listening to me right now, you have stupid. he says to think that she would be cribbing michelle obama's words is crazy. this is an example of when a woman threatens hillary clinton and how she seeks out to demean her and take her down. i don't even know what that means. >> there are a couple of phrases in a -- >> it is basically three places in the speech. it is fragments of words. she knew what she was doing. she never cribbed from another speech without acknowledging that she was quoting somebody else. >> see, those are friends of mine. they are not stupid.
what is he saying? >> he said 58 words appeared to be lifted and he responded, probably 30 words. about six hours ago the trump campaign issued this statement. in light of writing a beautiful speech they took note on her life's inspirations and in some instances included fragments that included her own thinking. bizarre considering that melania wrote a lot of her speech herself. >> speaking with matt earlier in the day melania said she wrote most of the speech herself. >> one part ends and another part begins. your wife is going to get to speak to the delegates about you. did you practice it on the plane? >> i read once over it and that's all.
i wrote it with a little help as possible. >> and again, the statement made last night from the team that they scrambled to put together was contradicted when they talked about -- >> a team of writers. >> a team of writers wrote this speech and then this morning und undercut that. >> i think we are learning a lot about the trump campaign. you have paul manafort doing the cues. you have a candidate that is in a sense isolated. this is a campaign that's grappling with this crisis with only a handful of people. that's what the trump campaign is. >> just a duck tail of what you said, this is the hardest, most important thing you can do. it's not a hard speech to write. >> correct. >> and you don't want to overmanage it. >> her story --
>> is beautiful. >> and it was well delivered. >> the delivery was perfect. >> it was not an hour-long speech tlch speech. there has been a carelessness that in some way he embrace. he embraces that. >> no body likes that right now. >> combine that with a small staff. he has compared to most that his staff -- >> and so the vetting process, this would never happen -- forget democrat and republican. george w. bush, al gore, it is very unlikely this would happen especially to the pospouse. i would think it would be more likely the nominee. the nominee probably cares more about the spouse. >> let's go ahead and take manafort's allies that it was
melania's -- >> i'm not even going to do it. >> let me finish my statement. >> okay. >> even if it were her fault that's why you have a staff to say, you know what? we ran it through google and i'm afraid you lifted some notes you must have made. so there is no defense for this staff. there is no way to blame melania for this. >> if you taught this in campaign management school you would find out who is responsible, whether they are the ones that lifted it or not and the persons or people responsible have to quit. it is too big a deal. they can try to blame the press. it is not about the press. the video tape speaks for itself. >> and again, people are going to see this. it is going to become viral if this clip hasn't already become viral this morning.
they have a choice to make. do they want melania to be the target or want the staff member -- >> who let her down. >> who is the one that should be responsible. >> and the trump campaign doubles down but it is always trump's skin in the game. now it is his lovely wife in the game. i'm really curious to see if he doubles down with her image and her integrity based on the mistake of a staffer. someone said in 2004 we scoured the words of every convention speaker. we vetted every word. not being normal is how he won but not being normal, he will pay a price for it at this point. >> this is true. all right. still ahead on "morning joe." >> this is the party of law and order. i was an attorney general.
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it's basically three places in the speech. it is fragments of words. she knew what she was doing. she never would have cribbed from another speech without acknowledging that she was quoting somebody else. >> i think that is kind of the end right there. she knew what she was doing. >> hillary clinton, i know you were going to work this week, don't bother. let's just let this cluster, just play right out. >> absolutely remarkable that paul manafort said on national
television that we basically have been saying here. people around him and close to him were saying this is basically melania's fault. he just said quote she knew what she was doing. >> and according to people i was talking to this morning donald trump has been up for several hours. he clearly is quite angry about this mess and no matter what you think of his campaign you have got to feel terribly bad for his wife. that's the focus now of this story. i understand it was the candidate's spouse. >> and melania not only did well, she exceeded expectations. he gave them something to go
home with, happy. then this morning donald trump wakes up to this nightmare. >> she stole the show in a sense. it was a very dark evening. >> yes. >> your heart goes out to a couple of speakers that spoke, the brothers that lost sons in war. she ended the evening on a very high note on national tv. it ended with her. >> prime time. >> and it gave everybody there a reason to go home optimistic. >> she certainly did. we are not talking about that speech this morning. we are talking about a -- >> a campaign, a crisis. >> it really is. all right. joining us now north dakota gop candidate. a role call vote was not allowed on the convention floor.
it would have let delegates vote their conscious. >> stirring up trouble. >> always. >> jacob was on the floor yesterday reporting in the midst of it. it was hard to follow what was going on. you did a good job figuring it out. >> i was in north dakota and then yesterday, this is my first. i have a question for you guys, mr. barnicle this isn't all -- >> no. it's not always like this. you can go back to reagan and ford in '76 and jimmy carter and ted kennedy, there was chaos there. 1972 -- >> '68. >> and the craziest was 1968. >> what was different here was that gary had petitions and
signatures given to the rnc which is supposed to trigger certain things. >> what happened is we knew we had to have seven states. we knew they were hiding the secretary from us. we had three sets of signatures. we had got 11 states. what they ended up doing was peeling back and stalling the process. all we wanted was a role call vote. it was going to be no debate. it is unfortunate. you kind of see what happened. manafort doesn't surprise me. the rules committee said we crushed them. is that how you get unity? we crushed them? >> and two of the guys signing the petitions were iowa and colorado, two swing states. it just seems strange to me the campaign wants to pressure those states to have such negativity
in a situation like this. >> and tell us about the woman you spoke with. >> and he joined these guys earlier today. >> she is amazing. she is a history teacher. her husband is a chiropractor. my back feels great after that. it is crazy to think this woman is the one to take on donald trump. during the pence announcement speech he made it very trumpy to say we took care of the stop trump campaign but it didn't look like that yesterday. zb wh >> so what does this mean for actually the speech? is there going to be a walkout? >> there were multiple factions that were part of bringing that forward. so that was really, we just want an up or down vote. for them to come out and take two hours and then call people
with delegates who got phone calls and asking them to take their name off of all kinds of pressure those are wrong tactics. i said he should resign over things like this. this is not america. this is not what we as citizens -- >> she in a bad position. >> and trump campaigns suffered from the internal national committee battles over who will be the nominee after donald trump. so the trump campaign by uniting has actually taken on water not because of issues -- >> don't forget -- sorry. don't forget. >> don't forget this is not just a stop trump campaign but between the ted cruiz folks. we probably wouldn't have seen this hot mess. >> they would probably be looking far larger story to overtake this kind of story. >> oh, my god.
>> and we heard time and again that trump and the rnc don't have the money they have had in the past. you resigned. how bad is the money situation right now for the trump campaign? >> i was in the meeting in manhattan when the finance committee came together. the reality is donald trump does not have the funding like normal presidential campaigns would have like romney in 2012. they need the rnc. they need the field teams, all of that done. trump said he is not happy when the checks are written for a half million dollars. i don't know the numbers for sure but when that occurred most of it goes to republican national committee. i don't know how ryan scott on the backside of this, and i think trump said i don't think this is quite fair. it's not anybody's fault but his
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melania trump herself. you have been on the phone with somebody that has confirmed what we talked about today and that is that she stayed away from the pence speech because she was not pleased with the process. >> just a couple of days she committed news by her absence, by not coming to the announcement of pence. the rest of the family was there. she was in new jersey, not very far away. >> but now they are saying no big deal. >> they acknowledging she did stay away for a reason. trump has to deal with something that implicates the man running the campaign. he has been differential about what would happen here in cleveland and now there's a problem to be dealt with. >> and as we said, manafort -- supporters of manafort were blaming melania trump for the
plagiarism and manafort went on tv not so long ago and said quote she knew exactly what she was doing. >> you know, joining us now in cleveland and host andrea mitchell. you have been talking to party officials. >> and they are trying to just push it off onto manafort, the campaign, anybody but themselves, anybody disavowing anything with this. we heard manafort say these are common words. when you look at the tape -- >> no. >> we are all writers. we all know what -- >> we all know what plagiarism looks like. >> the other piece is there is a lot of party distress over what happened on this program yesterday when manafort trashed kasich. >> he is a train wreck. >> this is a great governor. she a great friend, the party
chair. could ohio be anymore important -- >> as you know -- >> we love cleveland. >> as you know, andrea, no republican has ever made it to the white house without winning ohio. >> and he gave the middle finger to ohio. seriously, on live television. >> and after here did it several other full-timtimes. it even goes back to -- i don't know what the premises. instead of smoothing things over. as you know, i sat down with bob dole yesterday. he was the only former nominee who was actually here in the hall with a place of honor with the family. talking about if we could show some of that -- >> we have that actually. let's take a look at andrea
mitchell talking to bob dole. >> why did you decide to come? >> i am a republican. i have been one all my life. i have been going to conventions in 1964, haven't missed one since, and i wasn't going to miss this one. i didn't have the same feeling that my friends, george and george bush had. >> what is your message to jeb and the former president bush and other former president bush for not showing up? >> the former president bush has many health issues, so i can understand. but i wish his son, george would have come and jeb signed the pledge to support the nominee and the nominee is donald trump. now, the pledge didn't say they would attend the convention, but
it's implied in my view. >> so you think he should be coming? >> yeah, look what the party has done for all of us who have aspired to be president or govern governor, but they decided not to come, so that's their choice. but i bet they watch it on tv. >> bob dole still has a punch or two in him. >> yeah, he does. he will be 93 years old on friday. i covered him in the senate and covered him in the campaigns. he was reminiscing about the lack of name calling. he said he didn't support him. six months ago he said he thought trump should cool the rhetoric. he was a supporter of jeb. he talked to him twice, once of trump criticized martinez. he is not happy about that but
he thinks trump is moving in the right direction and is better than hillary. he thinks that hillary clinton is dishonest, the e-mail thing and he think it is system is rigged and clinton should have been punished for what she did with the e-mails. >> i was just thinking watching it, the first convention i covered was as inintern in '96. there aren't guys like that left in politics anymore. we should treasure bob dole for being there this week. >> and melania -- >> it because lovely moment. >> undermined by the headlines this morning. >> and the headlines keep moving. and again, we keyed in on manafort pointing the finger at melania not only off stage but
now onset i think with cbs this morning when he told charlie rose she knew exactly what she was doing. >> it has been mocked and ridiculed. we are a sort of lot of whiney hand wringers. when you have a campaign, when the stakes are this high, when your wife who is an accomplished businesswoman is humiliated at the hands of your chairman you're paying the price for the pirate ship with your marriage. his marriage is on the line until this is resolved. >> and the most important member of the family to get it right. >> well, first of all there are two competing things, the most important member of the family to get it right.
donald says it to them but number two, not the hardest speech to write. she has a great story. there are great things she could have put out there. she is multilingual. this could have been written in two hours. i could have written this speech and it could have been better. i'm just telling you, she is an amazing woman. she is a bright woman, a beautiful woman. how could you mess up this speech? why would you need to plagiarzem plagiarize? >> and from a democratic speech. >> this work she is doing -- >> you could see a laura bush speech! andrea mitchell, stay with us. we'll be right back with much more from cleveland. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close.
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ever run for the united states? >> i believe that. >> she is working too hard. she is working too hard right now. take a break. she can save it for next week, right? >> that was hillary clinton who campaigned with brown in cincinnati, one of many names said to be under consideration as a possible running mate. andrea, what do you think? >> i don't think it is brown. i think she is focused on not picking a senator who would be relaced by republican governor state. very concerned about that balance of power. i think it could be tim cain. she fluent in spanish. fluent in spanish says a lot. she will be rolling this out in florida. >> and he has been a senator. >> two-term governor. >> battleground state. >> yeah.
>> what's that? >> one-term governor because it is virginia. >> and against mike pence. i think there were concerned her pick could be overshadowed -- >> but she needs somebody safer. i think it will be a hard-fought campaign. you know, mark has been saying this. look, you need a solid partner. she saw the joe biden relationship. she has seen the relationship before it went off the tracks for other reasons. she wants compatibility. >> yeah. >> and you have said before trump -- trump looses by being disqualified by hillary and a h solid pick -- >> shores it up. >> right. >> and picking someone so solid
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"morning joe." what did you learn today? >> i think hillary should relax and take a break. i know she was going to work all week but that's great show happening. >> what did you learn? >> trump has held up for three hours. we'll see how much longer it continues. we'll see. >> bill, what did you learn? >> you got to learn the plagiarism program before -- >> there is an app or something. >> what did you learn? >> that willie is right for now. >> what did you learn? >> melania trump paid the price for trump's sloppiness. >> and that we can never overestimate trump's wife being humiliated on this campaign. >> i think we learned she rose to the occasion. she gave people that went to the convention a reason to leave
with a spring in their step and the campaign staff let them down. paul manafort has no problem throwing melania trump under the bus going on tv saying quote she knew exactly what she was doing and saying that at the same time many of his supporters were throwing melania under the bus. >> my gut is that's a no no. stephanie picks up our coverage right now. good morning. i'm stephanie live from cleveland, ohio. it has been a wild and controversial time following the first night of the republican convention, donald trump's rock star entrance overshadowed by melania's