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i'm chris matthews. day two of the republican national convention in cleveland. this is a late night version of "hardball." the theme of the evening was make america work again. but the real focus was on hillary clinton. let's take a look at some of those attacks. >> hillary's cold, calculated lying continues. if we can't trust her to tell us the truth, how can we possibly trust her to lead america? >> this republican agenda can only be realized if we disrupt the status quo, and let's admit, hillary clinton is the definition of status quo.
>> look around the world at the violence and the danger today, in every region that has been infected by her flawed judgment. >> rather than being energy independent, our country will be forced to remain beholden to her buddies in the middle east. those are risks we can't afford to take. >> a hillary clinton supreme court means your right to own a firearm is gone. >> they are offering a third obama term brought to you by another clinton. [ crowd boos ] >> hillary clinton wants you to vote for her simply because she says that she will make history. well, mrs. clinton, we don't call that history. he call that hypocrisy. >> he lied about her e-mails. she lied about her server. she lied about benghazi. she even lied sniper fire.
she even lied about why her parents named her hillary. >> joining me right now is howard fineman of the huffington post. let me ask you, peter, because i have you in my cross hairs tonight. tonight, i really did fall for it. i thought it was going to be about building, the smell of construction. david garth said replace the smell of decay with the smell of construction in new york city. that will get you elected. why didn't they talk about that tonight instead of smashing hillary's face into this concrete wall every two seconds? >> chris, i was in the stands, too. the thing that i loved tonight -- >> where is the economics -- >> i loved what tiffany did and i loved what donald jr. did. the economics was straight in the middle of what donald trump,
jr. did. when he talked about how his father was taking him to the construction sites -- >> let's if to that. >> let's show that. >> this is donald, jr. on blue collar appeal. >> i was there with him by his side on jobsites, in conference rooms from the time i could walk. he didn't hide out behind some desk in an executive suite. he spent his career with regular americans. he listened to them and he valued their opinions, as much as often more than the guys from harvard and wharton, locked away in offices away from the real work. to this day, many of the top executives in our company are individuals that started out in blue collar positions. we didn't learn from mbas, but people who had a doctorate in common sense. [ applause ]
it's why we're the only children of billionaires, as comfortable in a caterpillar as we are in our own cars. >> that was beautiful, chris. and the reason why it was beautiful, he forever put to rest the idea that trump is a fake billionaire appealing to the working people. he's real, and his child, that night, tonight, basically told the american people why the working people of this country are in love with the guy. this is going to be about the economy. we're raching up to thursday when he's on that stage talking about bringing our jobs home, our manufacturing base home, making our economy grow twice as fast as it's been growing and needs to grow. he set the stage. and tiffany held her own, too. they were like book ends of this man who is bringing a revolution to the republican party. and what we learned from her,
you look at a man and you see his family. that tells you more than wordks tell. they really represented himself well. yeah, we had some hillary bashing, rightly so -- >> you think you got the headlines tonight? >> donald j. trump, jr. got the caterpillar headlines. >> do you think the story tonight -- i think you did a great job, peter, but unlike the colonel that -- the trump guy. but that's not what i heard all night. all i hear is the bluster -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> that's what i heard coming through. the rest of it was red meat for the people in this room. but when he started talking, he was talking to the american people. and i'll tell you what, chris, this election, at the end oh of the day, is going to come to who wins the swing states. and hillary's weakest where donald trump is strongest, and he's strongest because he appeals to the common working
men and women of this country. that guy sold the deal tonight. that was the art of the deal coming from the spawn. >> to answer your question, what everyone is going to remember tonight is chris christie standing up there saying, guilty or not guilty? and everyone yelling "lock her up" to the point where jeff flake, as you mentioned before, said are we talking about sending hillary clinton to jail? i will agree that don, jr. gave a pretty good speech. >> pretty good? come on. >> you talked for a while. let me finish up. the family, they're nice people, they clearly love their father. donald trump is somebody who always talks about people with ivy league degrees. >> nothing wrong with being proud of going to the ivy
league. my father was a professional musician, i was one of my first in the family to go to college. that's cool. but relating to the common man and woman in america at a time when we've gone 15 years now through bush and obama of zero income growth, chris, and we're growing at half the rate we did from the previous five decades. >> i've been waiting for this to break through, waiting to hear donald trump to talk positively in this campaign. again, he began by going after the president, saying he's behind the cop killings, something is wrong here. he can't get away from picking at that scab, that there's something wrong with his enemies, he doesn't get to the positive. you're better than he is, but i don't hear this from trump. howard, is he going to go positive thursday night? >> i feel like the umpire here. >> no, i'm the umpire. you're up. >> okay.
if donald trump were only the person that don, jr. described, that would be great. and i know don, jr., and i think he's a great kid. i am old enough to say he's a kid. and i think he did a great job of describing the best aspect of donald trump's appeal to all of the american people, not just to blue collar workers. but the problem is, that's not all that there is of donald trump. donald trump is an accusatory guy who doesn't care about facts, who dismisses the political process as it exists. who basically performed a hostile takeover of what was the republican party. you have only bob dole, wonderful bob dole, appearing here in cleveland.
and donald trump doesn't care about this. he doesn't care about uniting the party. he doesn't care about the process of the republican party. he doesn't care about the media. he doesn't apparently care about whether he's telling the truth at any one moment or not. these are the problems that the american people are going to look at when they try to decide whether to give the nuclear codes and the presidency to him. [ overlapping speakers ] >> let me finish. i agree about the builder stuff, and i probably talked to more blue collar voters than you have, and they all adore donald trump for the reason you say, because he talks their language. he understands their resentments. he channels them emotionally. but that's only part of the sales job that donald trump has to make. he's got to condense the american people -- >> you're --
>> the republican party needs a broader base. he doesn't care about that. [ overlapping speakers ] >> because of all these shootings and crises, and every time he troyes to do the economy, the news cycle spins. >> how about his willingness to learn the details of policy in the presidency? >> you are underestimate thing man. this man is much smarter than you think he is. >> when he said the other day, he started talking about the constitution. one of the people asked him a very reasonable question, beth, do you believe enforcing article
i of the constitution. and instead of saying yeah, that's a good question, he said i'm going to support articles 1 through 12. his lack of interest in even reading the constitution, he didn't even know what article i was. >> isn't it safe to say the reason the economy didn't come up is donald trump disagrees with the republicans on trade, on taxes -- >> are you a free trader? >> of course. donald trump is a free trader. look, chapter and verse on this, chris. ronald reagan was a free trader. we went over this the last time i was on the show. ronald reagan came in, in the early '80s. japan basically free throw trade agreement and just broke every frigging rule in the book.
china has been pdoing sweat shops, pollution havens, currency manipulation. 15 years, we've seen 70,000 factories close. donald trump is not going to let these people cheat us. >> i agree that his sfans on a lot of the issues are not only very appealing but probably correct. and that's why -- >> and republicans -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> here's my question. here's what he has to begin to do. he's got to begin to explain to people and convince people that he has the focus and the understanding of the issues and the sense of reassurance and calm and focus to actually be president of the united states. >> we agree. and this is the -- >> wait -- [ overlapping speakers ]
>> there will be debates, at least one, there may be four. there will be a lot of speeches over the next four months. what portion of the presentation made by mr. trump will be about economics and building and what portion will be about ted cruz's father had something to do with killing jack kennedy? he's the one that distracts from his message. he says things that are factually and logically untrue, and he gets a lot of publicity out of it. he's not the only -- he's not innocent of distracting from the message. >> we had the trade speech in pittsburgh -- >> why don't you answer my question? >> i'm going to answer you this way. that trade speech was scheduled months ago but kept getting pushed off the pages by these shootings and events in syria, this, that, the other thing. and so you just go to that.
>> the presidency will be marked by events, as well as this campaign. >> this election will be decided on the economy, jobs, and trade. >> i hope so. >> and we will be talking about that repeatedly through november. >> last word? >> trump has to convince people that he's got the character and the focus to win. and not just accuse people of malfeasance. that's the key to it. if he can do it, he can win. >> i think the word clouds are more hillary than anything else. >> "lock her up," that's what came out of that for me. >> any way, thank you all. our live coverage continues right after this.
back to this late edition of "hardball." by the way, it's not that late on the west coast, but it is here on the east coast. tonight is a recovery night for the trump campaign with a strong showing for the trump children. but it was not without its moments. ben carson, former trump rival, was supposed to deliver prepared remarks, but he went off script a little. let's watch ben carson. >> are we willing to elect someone as president who has, as their role model, somebody who acknowledges lucifer? >> chris christie litigated a case against hillary clinton's character. the verdict was delivered with
chants of "lock her up." listen. >> lock her up! >> i'm joined by april and jonathan. first of all, an overall sort of historic assessment. when chris christie was up there with that very rough justice of hillary clinton, and he kept saying, in each case i'm going to ask you for your verdict, it reminded me of the old movies with the roman emperor going up or down. and if they had said, kill her now, it was almost -- and the audience, as requested responded always with the verdict of "guilty." and said it in a blood curdling
way. [ overlapping speakers ] >> here's the thing. that sort of thing plays well in the hall. but leading up to tonight, i got here -- >> who's watching who is not in the hall? >> that's a good point. they're the base of the party now. they're the people who really hate hillary clinton so much they want her in jail. they want to see her in chains. there are people -- they want her in chains. they're selling t-shirts that says hillary for prison. for hillary for prison-dent. >> i want to know, when did you start hating her? and it isn't e-mail. >> it goes way back. >> and what was vince foster and
white water and when you think about these intangibles, unless they believe she's a murderer. >> a lot of them do. it is blind hatred. >> is it because of her class, her position? >> her husband. >> what drives them to this hatred in >> the class part, leave that out, because she's only newly rich. clinton -- >> the $250,000 speeches, but that's recent history. >> this goes all the way back to her time as first lady of arkansas, when she wanted to use her own last name and that rubbed people the wrong way. she has been at the forefront of a lot of things. when the next encyclopedia of feminist history comes out, there needs to be a chapter on hillary clinton, because she's the first in a lot of things that made it possible for a lot
of women in politics. when bob dole ran for president in '96, what did elizabeth dole say she was going to do if he became president? she was still going to stay president of red cross. no way she would have been able to say that if hillary clinton had not forged the way. >> what is the hatred for her? >> it's gender related. she's a strong woman and a lot of people have some kind of fear of a strong woman. >> like you. >> thank you. >> you've felt this? i'm just kidding. it's late at night. i'm going to stop teasing you about this. here's something where an entire half of the country politically almost spent an evening in a prosecutorial glee to the point of almost orgiastic love of this. they loved hating her. >> it reminded me who do you want, jesus or barabas.
yeah, i guess trump is barabas and hillary -- well, i don't know. seriously, when we get to the situation with hillary clinton, she is a woman who has some baggage. she had white water, she had vince foster. she was also married to one of the most successful, even with his flaws, one of the most successful presidents of our time. then on top of that, with all their personal issues for her to stay, there's some people who still fault her for staying. if she would have left -- >> let's go to some of this nasty stuff that you were covering today. this is a united states republican congressman from iowa. let's hear what he had to say. >> i asked you to go back through history and figure out why are these contributions made by these other categories of
people that you're talking about. where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization? >> than white people? >> than western civilization itself that's rooted in western europe, eastern europe, and the united states of america, and every place where a foot print of christianity. >> what did you make of that? first of all, it is the most racial -- or tribalistic statement we've heard in politics in a while. >> as a journalist in 2016, it was -- it stood out as a journalist. and in 2016, when you have a black president and to hear someone say that white people basically were the ones who have given western society, have done more for western civilization than any other group, that was very interesting, particularly when history shows that
african-americans helped create the wealth for many white people in this country, free labor. >> 250 years of free labor. that's a hell of a country. >> let's talk about the entrepreneurship of african-americans, the entrepreneurship of asians and other countries because of survival. let's talk about innovation. let's talk about ingenuity. let's talk about people like garrett morgan and charles drew. let's talk about the people who did things in this country to change medicine, to change how we -- >> how about beethoven. >> he was music. >> i thought he was black. >> are we surprised that congressman king said this? >> in my face, i'm sitting there, for him to feel the boldness to say that was wrong. he should not -- >> why do you think he said it? >> he wanted attention, he wanted to be relevant at this
convention when donald trump talks about anything he wants to talk about. >> but he believes this stuff. he's saying things he believes. >> small minds produce small comments. >> this is a weird thing about cantaloupes on the right. this -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> any way, april ryan, thank you by the way. >> you're welcome. >> what about zimbabwe, huh? >> what about it? >> the ruins are amazing. coming up, it angels w's wa late.
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wondering what are you doing here? i am not a politician. i am a fight promoter. >> good evening. many of you know me from one of your favorite soap operas, "the young and restless" and many other television shows and films. >> welcome back to this special late night edition of "hardball." that was a couple of the unconventional figures here at the republican national convention. so what do younger republicans think of the party? joining me is alex smith, national chair of the college republican national committee. are you guys in competition or what? is it like the old boxing thing with four or five different titles? >> no. >> alex, what appeals in the
republican party platform or candidate now to somebody say a first voter, 18? >> i think what could be appealing to young people about donald trump is authenticity. it's one of the most important traits for millennials today and something they find lacking in hillary clinton. that's why they liked bernie sanders so much. >> he is what he said he was, a socialist. that's who he is. >> absolutely. for young voters, they see donald trump as being someone not constrained by special interests. >> if you had to give him an ideology, and hillary is a moderate democrat, i suppose. but what is the ideology -- or what philosophy, what is donald trump's philosophy? >> from what i'm hearing from voters, it's common sense. >> common sense philosophy, okay. i thought that was true of george w. bush, by the way. boy, was i wrong. go ahead. >> common sense and toughness.
i'm from illinois. so being chicago tough is what -- i'm hearing that from the ground. they like how he's unique and standing up for something. >> what do you think about the credibility he and hillary clinton? hillary is a tad worse in some poles. but trump benefits from he says what he thinks. what he thinks may be zany, but he does say what he's thinking, where hillary seems more calculated. >> very scripted. you can see in the styles -- >> hillary says she's more deliberate. >> you can look at how they respond to things. what is interesting about donald trump, he talks like a millennial in some ways. he gets on twitter. it takes hillary clinton 20 people to get one press release. >> how do you know that? >> because it's so robotic.
it doesn't feel authentic. there isn't a feel to it that makes it feel like it's the person behind it that is tweeting it. >> go ahead, dennis, tell me about young republicans on the issues of -- just to bring up bernie sanders. if you go to a person who is 23, 24, they're probably carrying student loan debt. >> i am. >> maybe $50,000, maybe more, maybe $100,000, right? and you're paying a decent interest. >> 7, 8%. >> and you have to keep working and paying that off. your first responsibility is before you pay rent, you pay the debt. how does that affect your vote? >> for me, i want to go with the party that is going to create more good paying jobs when i finish up my education or somebody who has already finished their education, i want to make sure i have a job
commensurate with that education. i think what republicans need to do better is communicating on this issue to current borrowers. it's a place where there are free market alternatives our party never discusses. >> your argument is, if you have big student debt, we'll get you a job $50,000, $100,000 to start paying it off. >> absolutely. you can look at the plan to pay student loans out of pretaxed income. so there are free market alternatives. we have governors that are doing wonderful things on education. >> so you don't get taxed for what you spend on student loans. >> that's part of it. but from our organization, those who come out of college and come out of graduate school, they're
seeing what's happening with their paychecks, how much they're paying in taxes. they might have been on the other side of the aisle saying, look, i'm starting to realize what i'm paying in taxes. >> yeah. it's called payroll tax. a lot of people i talk to, when they get that first check, what's this? i've been working since i was 14. i know all about these taxes. they're pretty amazing. when bernie sanders says we're not taxed enough, i think you don't know what you're talking about. thank you both. interesting perspective. our live coverage of the republican national convention continues from cleveland right after this. >> a little of one year ago i announced my candidacy for president. and with your vote today, this stage of the presidential process has come to a close.
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from a young age -- >> barack and i were raised -- >> my parents impressed on me -- >> with so many -- >> the values of -- >> of the same values. >> that you can work hard for what you want in life. >> you work hard for what you want in life. >> that your word is your bond. >> that your word is your bond. >> and you do what you say and keep your promise. >> that you do what you say you're going to do. >> wow! we're going to get to that in just a moment. somebody just sent me something. does beethoven's music reveal his african roots? i think it's a fascinating discussion that somehow got in my head and remains there. last night, of course, and most of today, the republican national convention here in cleveland was rocked by questions of plagiarism in
melania trump's speech last night. there clearly was plagiarism there, as you just saw, they were the same as michelle obama's words. here's shawn spicer talking. i wouldn't say defending, just talking. >> melania trump said you work hard for what you want in line, acon -- >> hold on. >> melania trump said the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them. twilight sparkle said, this is your dream -- >> you guys aren't take thing serious. >> a simple google search from three phrases comes up with all this -- >> any way, the trump campaign has tried to move on and get away from this. but the damage is there. let's bring in the round table now.
it just seems to me one of those things that since all of us in different ways make a living writing words down and putting them in print and having to defend them as our own, this is going to be a hard thing for the press, especially the print media, to deal with, because it's a value. honesty. ben? >> i don't know how we say it's nothing. none of us believe that plagiarism is nothing. your thoughts? >> donald trump's character has been such a central issue, and it doesn't speak to an operation that has its act together, as we learn more about how this came about. we find out there had been
professional speechwriters brought in to handle this, people that had written speeches for george w. bush. melania took it to someone else to help her rewrite it, and the internal checks that any other presidential campaign would have, this campaign did not. >> why could somebody take something from michelle obama and in the exact same situation, and plant it, play it into a speech to be used by melania trump? why would someone take that step unless it was almost negative, it was something to hurt her? >> it was a very good speech that michelle obama gave. and you wouldn't necessarily be found out and -- >> thought she could get away with it. >> possibly. >> the gettysburg address was a very good speech.
>> i think that often times, and we're all covering the same event or same series of events, you get into this problem that we're trying not to same the exact same things -- >> that's not the same thing. this is cribbing. >> you have to be careful about not reading someone else's words and then going back and writing in your own story and not writing something that's too similar to that. >> you think this was a line that was crossed or there was actual deliberate cribbing? i think it was deliberate. your thoughts? >> i can't say whether it was deliberate, but i am saying that i think it's possible, they looked at the speech, they thought it was good. >> but who put it in there? who put it -- okay. who put michelle's words into melania's mouth? >> we don't know yet. and one of the reasons we don't know is no one has been fired.
the campaign has not taken any action. they're trying to sideswipe it away. it looks like clear cut plagiarism. these were verbatim passages. so i think it is a problem for the campaign in that people are talking about it. i doubt on a political level this matters much. >> let me ask you about melania as a force. last night before we left, when she was finishing her remarks, everyone said that's a plus. that's going to help. how does she carry on as a candidate, a person who is playing a role in this, if every time she gets in front of a group in chicago and los angeles, a person introduces her or a person writes about the fact that will mention this? >> they have to deal with it. the role she plays is as a character witness for her husband. donald trump is not a very popular man. there are people who have
extensive and deep doubts about his trustworthiness, about his honesty. and she has an intimate ability to speak with that. we saw that with two of his children, tiffany and don, jr. today. spoke to him as a father and the kind of person that he is. so that's the role melania is going to play. but they have to find a better way to deal with it. >> what do they do with this person, ben? if the person doesn't want to come forward or fall on the sword, then they sort of have to decide whether to fire the person or expose them. somebody has to take the initiative to end this. >> i think the way they handle this is going to say a lot about who is in charge of this campaign, the extent of the influence of manafort and the adult children. in the past when there have been big mistakes, the campaign has blamed it on a young intern, not named anybody, there's been no accountability. i don't think this narrative is going to go away, unless they come forward with someone, and
we'll find out by the end of this week. >> i think this is going to be a problem long-term for her. she would have been a very good person to speak for her husband, but it does raise these questions of honesty and trustworthiness. i think that's going to be a problem moving forward. [ overlapping speakers ] >> part of the question is whether the person who did this can be fired from the campaign. maybe it's someone who is a principal on the campaign, we don't know. >> i think logically that it was done by accident or someone putting together research material didn't realize they had take an direct statement. >> that's why -- >> or someone doesn't know there's something wrong with lifting. >> whether it was maliciously
intentional or not it still was lifting. >> the reason it's not going away is because we've seem mistake after mistake with this campaign that you shouldn't see at this high of a level and it speaks to that. >> and also i think he's going to blow up if anybody brings it up. we'll be right back with more from the republican national convention live from cleveland. >> so much that you and i care about, so many things that we stand for in the balance in this coming election. whatever we lacked going into this campaign, we should not lack for motivation. in the plainest terms i know, it is all on the line.
welcome back to this special late night edition of "hardball." i'm back with my round table. i want to start with francesca. this news story almost got buried today. donald trump just won the republican nomination for president. he's the nominee, after all this circus behavior and mistakes. >> and it's possible that we'll be sitting in a similar situation on election day, saying no, it couldn't have happened. there was this plagiarism and all these different things, and
we could be sitting having this same confidence. >> your point? we're stupid. >> anything is possible. >> bhe was fantastic at manipulating television. more free time than anyone has ever gotten, and he used it to tap into this american nationalism, this thing that he was able to hear the audience react, play it back to them. you hear about lost manufacturing jobs, some things he began to drop like the birtherism, that wasn't working. he knew how to listen. he listened with his tongue and worked on it and every week he got better. that's the way i saw him. hitting at that nervous sense that we're losing a step as a world power. we're losing it because we have given it away. >> that's right. he feels those anxieties. you can watch him in his rallies. he knows what gets feedback.
he comes back to it and he knows when he's losing a crowd and he goes back to the three points that he likes to close with about the wall, and how we're going to be so sick of winning. and he is a man certainly with a gift for connecting with an audience. >> he listens with his tongue. it's an old phrase, because he says something and he hears the reaction. he's like jimmy two times from "the good fellas." he often says phrases three times in a row after he says them. >> it goes back to aristotle. that's what aristotle recommended. whether he knows it or not, he's doing it by the book. >> and the really startling thing is that this was the day that the nationalist native wing of the party took control from the limited government wing. this is that day in history. and this was a long time coming. >> like brexit. >> if a way. in a way, certainly. i agree with you, chris, his
ability to use the media was a big part of it, but idealology was part of it, too. donald trump proved there was a gap between the gop elites -- opposition to free trade, opposition to immigration. >> he also did a very good job excoriating the other 16 people running. the thing he did was picking a name for someone, like lying ted, and it would stick. >> why did it stick? i don't think of him as a liar, but lying ted seemed to -- >> marco rubio said it once in a debate and donald trump said it after that. >> little marco, why did that stick?
he's not that little. >> he's been calling her crooked hillary. we heard that again tonight. so that's definitely something that the clinton campaign is going to have to take notice of moving forward. already she has a problem with honesty and trustworthiness and not getting stuck with that crooked hillary line. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i felt tonight like i was at a coliseum circus. it was pretty raw here tonight. thank you for being here. and that does it for us on day two, it's getting into day three of the republican national convention here in cleveland. see you back here tomorrow. our coverage continues after this.
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