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ships. >> the highest number of negatives in every category. so you can't say, the rising tide lifts all boats. >> a lot of people say he is saying that for white people. that he will champion them. thank you. a quick programming note before we go. tonight at midnight eastern, right here msnbc. see you again tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern for more special convention coverage. congratulations, dad. >> the party has spoken. united against hillary clinton. >> is she guilty or not guilty? >> tonight former rivals take stage and a running mate introduces himself to the country. it's day three of the republican
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national convention. >> republicans gathering at what is the halfway point for this convention in cleveland. the gop ticket again tonight as indiana governor mike pence prepares to accept his party's nomination for vice president, as donald trump arrives, new tensions in the streets of cleveland. there were clashes, arrests, a strong show of force by the local pd. we'll be keeping a close eye on that. also the tone of this convention thus far. what we've heard has been less about the nominee ask much more about his opponent, hillary clinton. he can expect that from the one time rival ted cruz who still has not endorsed donald trump. in fact, the candidate was booed
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during a ted cruz event today. and remarkably, what happened in cleveland monday night is still testing this campaign's ability to stay on and stay in control of their own message. this as another trump prepares to speak just hours from now from that podium. good evening to all. brian williams, with rachel maddow. this will be a more traditional night of convention. the new york times distilled it down to two questions. can pence impress the boss and will cruz play nice? >> yeah. the cruz question i think looms large. if only because there is actually some us is pence about it. we know that mike pence will have his big speech tom. he will accept the nomination. it will be his national rollout. we'll be watching to see how well he does. there is no wondering what that will be like. a qualitative assessment of what he does. ted cruz, there is a question mark. we really don't know.
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ted cruz was not just somebody who ran against donald trump. he is one of the last men standing. he took an unusually sharp tone about his personal problems with donald trump when he was on the campaign trail. when ted cruz gives his remarks today, everybody is thinking that he is looking ahead to his own next presidential run in 2020. we just don't know what that looks like. the cruz camp is not promising that this speech tonight is going to come with a donald trump endorsement. so i think we can expect that the one way you get to a donald trump convention speech on a big night is that you spend the whole time talking about hillary clinton. and clinton has been more the topic had thus far. i want to show you something we shot earlier. you may find this uncomfortable. you may not want to look at this stuff but these are some of the pins that are being sold at the
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venue. at the rnc venue in cleveland. and you know, you always, at conventions, you always get sharp edged stuff. the merchandisers tend to compete with each other. that will one up one another. from calling her, to the kfc special referring to her breasts and thighs and left wing and all of those other things. that's part of the merchandise of the rnc. we've seen merchandising signs calling for clinton going to prison. we've seen a chant throughout the proceedings thus far. we expect to see more of this tonight. here's a taste of what it has been like. that part of the convention the last couple days. >> they are offering a third obama term brought to you by another clinton. >> not since baghdad bob has
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there been a public figure with such a tortured relationship with the truthful. >> she would be the first president who couldn't pass a basic back ground check. a hillary clinton supreme court means your right to own a firearm is gone. >> she jeopardized our safety by deciding our laws don't apply to her. >> if did i what she did, i would be in jail. >> we all know she loves her pant suits. she deserves a bright orange jump suit. >> i blame hillary clinton personally for the death of my son. personally. >> the charge of putting herself ahead of america, guilty or not guilty. >> hillary clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason. >> as is their role model, somebody who acknowledges lucifer. >> she deserves to be in stripes.
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>> that channel, lock her up, lock her up has become a hallmark at this convention. i should mention the radio clip is part of the montage where you heard somebody say hillary should be put on the firing line and shot for treason. that is the state veterans chairman from new hampshire of the donald trump campaign. a state representative from new hampshire and he is a delegate to this convention. so he was somebody speaking in his capacity as a delegate and a donald trump campaign member and donald trump supporter on talk radio. because of his ties to the trump campaign, because he has not repudiated the remarks since he said them, because the secret service has taken a little interest in him since he said that hillary clinton should be shot. that has loomed large today. again, he is one of the more than 2,000 delegates on the floor today at the republican evacuation. kelly o'donnell has been with the delegates on the floor. what is the mood like tonight? what have you been able to find
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out in. >> it is interesting that you should bring him up. i have not been able to locate him tonight in the new hampshire delegation. he may be coming a bit later. i talked to those who are a part of the delegation and they described to me a sense that he was particularly animated in the radio clip as you referred to it and they understood the secret service would take interest because of the extension of talking about this to the point of a firing line. it was described to me that he is a military man and was thinking in terms of a comparison to if a person in the armed services was convicted of treason, that would be the extension. and that others described it as some of the passions that are so infused, perhaps getting the better of him. so colleagues, friends, associates, we're trying cast it in that way. and certainly, we have seen how much anger there is toward hillary clinton. and i'm so often told by delegates and those who are here
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that they feel that she was somehow treated differently than other yits respect to how the fbi investigation went with the e-mails. but his comment was more related to benghazi, an enduring area of criticism, despite all her testimony on capitol hill. others who say she did not bear any direct responsibility. that remains a very open sore raw nerve for many republican delegates who believe she has not been fully held accountable. and that has really animated a lot of the anger toward hillary clinton here i also spoke with mitch mcconnell here. the senate majority leader and i asked about the lock her up chants. and he said politics is tough. he expects when the democrats convene in philadelphia, there will be a lot of things said about trump that might make people uncomfortable as well. >> kelly o'donnell on the floor at the convention tonight. thank you. things are getting started for the evening session. we expect 8:00 speakers. but in the lead up to that from
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7:00 to 8:00, it is interesting. interesting to consider whether or not the tone toward hillary clinton will be brought back a little bit, whether it is people uncomfortable or whether we expect the gas pedal to be even further. >> 13 anti-hillary speeches in the judgment of our political unit. six pro donald trump speeches. katy tur is in the new york delegation with more. >> i'm here with peter king. been in congress for decades. donald trump has been a lightning rod for this entire election. but for this party specifically. yesterday, the majority of the speeches were anti-hillary clinton speeches. they were not pro trump speeches. is this party more comfortable attacking its rival, rather than and tolling the virtues of its nominee? >> i think it is the first two
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days of the convention. i can't begin to imagine what the democrats will say about donald trump next week at their convention. i think the strategy was to go after hillary clinton the first two days. to show why she is not qualified to be president. then today and tomorrow, show why trump should be. i think it is part of the strategy, to go after hillary. >> has the rhetoric gone too far when it comes to hillary clinton? you walk around and see hillary clinton for prison. you see sexual innuendos, hillary something something but not like monica. people are wearing these at the gop convention. do you sanction that? do you condone that? >> no, but i i know what democrats said about george bush. it is part of politics today. >> is it part of politics to talk about her in a sexual way? >> i'm not saying it is right. i'm saying that has become a reality. i think governor christie's
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speech was on target. but i've seen on it both sides. democrats accusing george bush on the iraq war, war crimes. >> but if you think the republican shs dial it back, do you think democrats should dial it back? >> i'm saying it is the reality. i hope it is positive tonight and tomorrow. >> you talked about donald trump's vets coach. he said hillary clinton should go in front of a firing squad because of the e-mail scandal. does that seem like a bridge too far? >> i wouldn't say. i don't think you'll find donald trump saying that. >> should he kick him out of the campaign? >> i wouldn't say it. i know hillary clinton. i actually get along with her. i disagree with her on almost all policies but i think we have enough solid information to go on, to rely on that. and then also donald trump on the agenda. politics is getting rougher. it is the world we live in. that's not my world. nibble tough politics. there are things you can say without getting personal.
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>> katy tur on the convention floor. having covered donald trump for the past year. let's talk to this panel we have about this question and bring in one other member of our family for tonight. steve schmidt, first of all, a gop regular gone way back. veteran of the bush and mccain efforts. eugene robinson, who for the next few minutes, at least, is not going to be the only pulitzer prize winning journalist. because we're also welcoming in david from the "washington post." proud detroiter. biographer of bill clinton, biographer of president obama, and he'll be joining in our conversation. steve, first to you. is it over the top? last night you called the chant "lock her up" the stuff of a banana republic. >> it is indeed. the late great senator from new york, daniel patrick moynihan
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talked about the it. we've seen rhetorically, somebody throws ten card, the jack is coming pretty soon. so we go yesterday from lock her up to today, she should be in front of a firing squad. look, in the united states, politics is a tough business. there's never in the history of the country been a genteel period of politics. in america, we don't lock up our political opponents. there are many, many ways to criticize hillary clinton and she deserves that criticism. she's been serially dishonest with regard to her representations about these e-mails. in fact the fbi director, the rule of law, we say, if republicans, matters deeply to us. there was no finding of grounds to prosecute her. so the chants filling in the living rooms all over the country of lock her up, lock her
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up, at the expense of a hopeful message. a vision where republicans want to ahead to country i don't think it does great service for republicans in november. >> the other thing i think does a disservice to republicans, is the attacks of a sexist nature. that's something we should not do in american politics. it is the first time we've had a major party candidate who is a woman. i cannot imagine that that will do anything but alienate the women voters, that the republican party desperately needs. it simply cannot win the presidency without. and you know, this is just nasty, awful stuff. and i realize that the first two nights of any convention are to fire up the troops and also realize this convention hall. i think they went way too far.
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>> the thematic stuff about her, that high of is a bitch, don't vote for one. the stuff about her body and her sex life and all this stuff. it is really foreground. you always get some stuff over the line. but there is way more of that than i expected to see at something like a national convention. >> and good to see you, second, let's do some forensics. you could argue that could you draw a bright line between hatred of the clintons as a thing, as a duo, to begin with, through the creation of entire news networks. it goes way back. >> it goes back 25 years. a quarter of a century. the longest spans, first to be in national politics for that long. so i think that you're all right. it is factual to say this is normal blood sport. it went beyond that.
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the roots of it go back to 1991 and 1992. to the white water affair which is sort of the same length of time, investigating it as benghazi, the same nebulous results, to mrs. clinton saying that you buy one, you get one free when you elect her husband as president. from all of that to her feminist roots and saying that she was not just going to stay home and bake cookies. the hostility has been there from 25 years. >> i'm struck by the chicken and egg problem. when you talk about white water. you prays as an analogy to benghazi. we think back, we were talking about the law firm and the land deals and all the stuff that was investigated through clinton years. and part of it feels like that
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was the cause of a lot of the 25 years later antipathy and vitriol toward her husband. part of it feels like that was already a symptom. they wouldn't have been doing that if the hatred was not there even before then. >> you know, actually on, a state scale, the hatred goes back to 1974. when bill clinton first ran for congress in fateville. it goes all the way back to that point. so you're right. the so i think over the course of these years, they've just become easier and easier targets for the hostility of republicans. part of their own doing, much of it not. so it is just, it is unavoidable now. but hillary plays into it that
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she has a certain defensiveness over the decades. that puts her in contrast to donald trump who will say anything. >> and we're reminded there really never was a clean genteel period in american politics. yes, there was a button that said my bike likes ike. but underneath that, there was always skull dugory. and they've said so much about the lincoln era and the political attacks in the 1860s. >> go back to hamilton and jefferson and john adams. the rhetoric was actually uglier then. tls it is such a dangerous period in our political history. >> david maraniss, "washington post" and biographer of bill clinton among others.
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thank you, david. thanks for your contributions. our first break and on the other side, virtually every network is going to run kind of a greatest hits collection of what ted cruz said about trump. we will not be alone in doing so. also, prognosticating what he might say to this convention tonight.
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donald trump's candidacy is a cancer on conservatism. it must be excised and discarded. >> this man is a pathological liar. >> do you know what? he has no business being president of the united states. >> i will never stop until we keep a conman from taking over the party of reagan and the conservative movement. >> the man is utterly amoral. morality does not exist for him. >> for a lot of us, it is like watching a car accident instead
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of watching the direction we should be headed. >> as he conman. >> a narcissist at a level we have not seen. >> there you have, all these people have one thing in common by the end of the convention. they will have spoken to this convention. chief among them tonight, ted cruz. truth be told, if this were an open convention, would have a whole lot of support on that floor. hallie jackson is with us from, judging by the hats, the texas delegation. >> reporter: hi there. celebrating here. you can see everybody dancing and hanging out before the main event begins tonight. there is a sense, a lot of these folks did vote for cruz. many said, listen, trump is our nominee now and i'm going to support him. one of these delegates. this is butch davis. you and i talked in mid-march.
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we did an interview for the "today" show. at the time there was the real possibility of a contested convention and you were really looking forward to that. you voted for ted cruz in the primary, right? >> yes, did i. >> tell me who you support at this moment. >> i'm supporting donald trump for the presidency. he is our nominee. >> why is that? do you want to see ted cruz endorse trump? >> i would like to see it from the top to the bottom. we need to be united. one of two people will be president of the united states. donald trump or hillary clinton. and it has to be donald trump. >> what made you decide to support donald trump? you were a cruz guy. you live in texas. that's cruz' home turf and there are a lot of folks who wanted to fight for cruz. >> i love ted cruz. he is the top of the line for me. but donald trump is our nominee. he is much, much more conservative than hillary clinton. he has great ideas for this country. he is going to help take fight
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to isis. he will make our economy work. i think it is really going to work. >> last quick question for you. are you upset this isn't a contested convention? are you a little upset about it? >> truth be told, i was looking forward to a contested convention. it didn't happen. we're united. let's win in november. >> thanks. >> on that first night of the convention, it looked contested for a little while. and one man who was last seen on national television taking off his credentials and throwing them down. the form he attorney general of the commonwealth of virginia, ken cuccinelli. >> reporter: yes, i am standing with ken. last time you saw him he was throwing his credentials to the ground. you are wearing them now. >> yeah. we got a little bonus. might as well have fun with. this monday was pretty rough. especially for an idealist.
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>> reporter: have you second it is all over? >> on the rules, it is. now we're to the scripted part where we're driving messages each day. hook forward to hearing senator cruz and soon to be vice president pence. >> reporter: do you want senator cruz to come out here and basically filibuster this convention? this. >> you won't hear any dr. seuss tonight, no. >> reporter: when you're watching him, what is it that you want him to say to this convention crowd? >> i would like to hear him make the case for a better vision for america going forward as he has for a year and a half now. and he is not going to be the nominee, obviously. that doesn't mean the dreams we've got, go away with that campaign. >> reporter: i hope you have a great evening tonight. i hope ted cruz delivers the way you would like him to. >> the party is just getting started in cleveland. >> the last time a party nominee
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became the nominee with this low a percentage of the delegates, it was actually a contested convention in 1976. some people looking back to 1976 wondering if ted cruz will have a reaganesque moment that sets him up to run later. chuck? >> reporter: you're absolutely right. i was writing down. ted kennedy, 1980. ronald reagan, 1976. both of those gave incredibly well remembered speeches that, at conventions where the eventual nominee ended up losing and they want to live on. haley barbour is here. ted cruz is probably thinking about that reagan '76 speech and what it is like. should he be?
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>> you know, having run the white house for ronald reagan. thinking about any speech ronald reagan made is a smart idea. >> let me ask you. >> tonight will be interesting here in this respect. this convention hall is not filled with die hard trumpians. it is filled with a lot of republicans. this could be the biggest reception. is that a problem for mike pence? >> i think it is highly unlikely, he will be well received. look, chris christie was well received. rudolph giuliani was well received. i expect him to be well received. i think most of it ought to be -- >> i have to say, it is
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striking. we are night three of the convention. the man who is a runner up to the nominee and we don't know if he will endorse the nominee tonight. and he speaks in about two and a half hours. >> i guess that's good drama. >> maybe he'll have a bigger audience. >> obviously you want to see cruz endorse. >> i mean, i have no information. the. >> we'll be watching. do you feel like this convention, he's getting it right? it seems like it was a very hot convention monday and tuesday. it hasn't tried to broaden. when is it going to do that? >> i think what you saw monday night was about policy about, national security, about terrorism. it couldn't help but be hot. >> i think you will see by the
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chose of the convention, a lot of people say i've learned a lot about wyoming. >> haley barbour. he thinks this will turn into a more pro trump convention before we leave. >> that's why we're watching. to be watching all the way. >> the happiness in the hall seems to suggest a happy night. this is a lot of good dancers. >> well, beatles make everyone happy. that's another constant in politics. we'll take a break as the dancing continues in cleveland.
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little shades of neil diamond tonight. they've been dancing tonight in cleveland. day three of the convention. but where news media coverage is concerned, so much of the oxygen and pended today was about a day one story. and a lot of campaign veterans believe this has just been campaign malpractice. it goes back to mrs. trump's speech to the convention, how
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portions of that were proven to have originated with michelle obama. the story continued today after denials and obfuscations. >> a lot of anger responses from the trump campaign. that went into a third day this morning. the first thing that happened is that donald trump tweet this morning, i think we have the tweet here. good news is melania's speech got more republican than any in the history of politics, especially if you believe all press is good press. that went out this morning. that was followed by a statement released on the letter head of the trump campaign from a person named meredith mciver. she describes herself as an in-house writer at the trump organization. she said in working with melania trump and her first lady speech, we discussed many people who inspired her and messages she want to share with the american people. a person she has always liked is
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michelle obama. over the phone she read me some passages from mrs. obama's speech as examples. meredith goes on to explain, it was her fault. i wrote them down and used them in the draft that became the final speech. i did not check mrs. obama's speeches. that was my mistake. i feel terrible for the chaos i have caused. she went on to say she offered her resignation to the trump campaign over this and her resignation was rejected. this story has dragged into day three of the four-day convention. and that was before donald trump tonight on abc news gave significant comments on the subl in an interview with george stephanopoulos. >> she's been with me a long time. she is a very good person. she came to see me because she hated to see the conflict, and she made a mistake. and people make mistakes. you've made mistakes.
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we all make mistakes. and i guess maybe if she were not with me a long time physici, if i didn't know how good she was. she is a good person. i thought it was terrific that she came forward. she said, look, it was a mistake that i made and she thought it was very unfair to melania. although interestingly, the press treated melania very well because they didn't think it was her. >> day three of the convention and there is still a lot to this story even though there now has been this apology. i said earlier that the statement was released by the trump campaign. wasn't. it was released by the trump organization. maybe that adds something to the texture of how this is being handled. i have to turn to you and ask, how you feel like they're dealing with. this not how bad was the initial mistake. we've talked about that. but how have they dealt with the fallout? >> really hard to find examples
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from a communication perspective of a more incompetent else anywhere at any time any place. that being said, donald trump there looked like a stand-up guy. he looked pretty good. he didn't take her resignation. hey, we all make mistakes including himself. it my be the first acknowledgement over the course of the campaign that he is fallible by his own admission. and that i think people watching that saw the compassionate side of donald trump that isn't always necessarily easy to finds or revealed. that his children are talking about in some of their speeches. >> we are still stuck with the problem, if this is a guy who says he will fix the veterans administration, because he is going to redirect the veterans helpline so that it goes into the white house. and whenever there is a particularly difficult problem for an individual vet, he will want that vet's calls to be directed to him in the oval office so he can personally sort out that vet's problems.
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when he talks about that will be his management, seeing this mistake and the wait went on. it is jarring. >> that would be a president who had no time to do anything else. right? just answer the phone. i think this does raise a lot of questions. not for the first time, frankly about, you look at the campaign organization. where does the trump organization fit into the campaign? there wasn't a campaign. now there is a campaign that has to merge with the rnc, or at least work with the rnc. and in the last couple days, you had, you know, the republican national committee spokesman and paul manafort saying stuff that was not true. just blatant not true and trying to pretend that these identical sentences were not identical. >> that there was not any plagiarism. >> because no one had given him anything else to say.
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it is just unimaginable. what did they call it? the mod fight hangout. that's how it was taken. >> one of the things you never want to do is communicate to voters that you think they're stupid. so when the trump official campaign spokespeople say no, this was not plagiarism and it clearly waffle unmistakably so. and they're telling you, that the sun rises in the west and sets in the even, that bothers people. people don't like to be treated like they're fools. another implication for the campaign. donald trump is not raising money at the pace that he needs. the major donors look at the campaign after an episode like that and say this is not a wise investment of my money. they don't have it together. and thirdly, donald trump said
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our leaders if washington are corrupt and incompetent. i'm going to bring the best people in to government. the approximaty is a campaign. if you can't pull off a four-day convention with thousands, how are you going to help the thousands who are the best. i think the patience of a lot of republicans in the donor class is now exhausted with the operational tempo and incompetence of the campaign. >> when we come back from a break this night three of the gop convention, the fracas of the campaign.
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we are back on this night three of the gop convention. and about the gop nominee, donald trump talks all the time about his book, "the art of the deal." what it meant to him. how many companies it sold and its popularity, especially among business themed books. look down at the lower right hand corner and you will see the name tony schwartz. long time journalist was the ghost writer for art of the deal. and in an explosive story in the new yorker magazine, as told to jane mayer, the art of deal. you see donald trump's ghost writer tells all. in effect, it is said, quote, i believe in trump wins and gets nuclear codes, there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.
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mr. schwartz says the book could today be titled, the sociopath. the author is with us. i know there is no shortage of questions from this panel. from rachel, from your old friend eugene. i'll start off. what made you talk about this at long last after so many years existing as the ghost writer? >> i wished that i can't have to do it. i wanted to let this fade away into the wood work i didn't think about donald trump much for 27 years. when he decided to run for president, given what i knew about him, and given how rarely there is someone who knows him well speak out about what they know, i simply felt an obligation to do it. >> some of what you describe is the kinds of things that we've heard in terms of personality analysis from other people. but some of the stuff that you describe, i have not heard other people say. and it is attention grabbing.
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and i use the word attention on purpose. one thing you say is he has no attention span. it is impossible to keep him focused on any topic other than his own self-agrandizement for more than 30 minutes. you say to jane mayer, if towed be briefed on a crisis in the situation room, it is impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time. didn't you have to get him to pay attention to you for a long period of time in order to co-write this book with him? >> i almost gave up on the book halfway through. it was so impossible to interview him. and i actually called my agent and said from my room, over a weekend, i give up. i'm quitting. i went and got back on the plane heading home. and i had this inspiration which was to ask him to let me sit in and listen on his phone calls so i could try to piece tet making from other people. and that was the way i got the book done. >> i know that my colleague gene
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robinson. i have to ask you one other thing before you go. that's about today. i understand in response to this interview you've done with the new yorker, you have now received a cease and desist letter from the trump organization's chief legal officer demanding among other things that you return all the royalty payments that you received from the book retroactively going back to when you wrote it many years ago. is that true? and are you worried? >> it is true. i think jane mayer is maybe just putting up a story about that on the new yorker website. but yes, it is true. i got almost immediately that cease and desist lerp delivered to me by fedex. it is nuts. completely indicative of who he is. there is no base i in anything legal. i suspect that donald trump called up his chief legal person and. go after that guy and do whatever you have to do. so this head of legal affairs
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for the trump organization had to concoct stuff about, most which of is untrue. so for example, this notion that i didn't write the book is so preposterous. i am not, i am not certain that donald trump read every word but i'm sure certain that i wrote every word. and he made a few red marks on the manuscript and sent it back to me and the rest was history. the idea that he would dispute that is part of why i felt i had to come forward. the notion that if he could bligh that, co-bligh anything. and if you look at the evidence of this campaign, time after time after time. that is what has happened. as i listened earlier to ted cruz and all those comments he made, it really sent a chill up my spine. his analysis of trump's character is remarkably accurate. and fiercely negative. and yet he will stand up there tonight and he will pull his punches. i felt somebody, somebody who
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had a clear exposure to trump had to stand up. unfortunately, that had to be me. >> first, i guess, i might have to volunteer to be a witness for you. you, because, in fact, i have had both you and donald trump in our one telephone conversation describe that same process of writing the book, that you would make him focus, that you would interview him and make him focus and that's the only way you could get the book done. >> i learned journalism at the university of michigan. >> hold it, i'm not that old. >> but you were the boss. >> well, that's true. but what about your personal feelings toward donald trump? i frankly never heard you express a personal animus toward him. >> i don't have a personal animus toward him. actually, even now. he's tough to have a personal animus toward because there's no
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there there. there's no heart. there's no soul. there's just a man trying to transactionally do what he thinks will agrandize him. he doesn't have a particular kind of personality that's -- that i found during the period that i worked with him that was difficult to get along with. i really -- my big quarrel with him is about his character, and i couldn't care less about his character, if he wasn't running for president. let him do what he wants to do, as far as i'm concerned. unfortunately, in business, as we know, there are a lot of people who got hurt by what he did. by my experience with him was indifferent personally. >> your assessment of his character, you describe him as completely compulsive. quote, if the only thing left was -- quote. the only thing left was running for president.
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if he could run for emperor of the world, he would. i'm assuming you're speaking hyperbolically there, but a lot of people are trying to figure out why he ran for president, gave up the life he had in order to run as a politician. you felt like this was predictable based on his prior life? >> i don't know that it was predictable. but i've always seen him as a black hole, someone who cannot fill himself with a sense of value from anything that comes internally. so he constantly, way before i met him and long since, has tried to fill up that hole inside him by getting more and more money, more and more praise, more and more attention. and as he said today, all publicity is good publicity. that is crazy. that is simply crazy. what kind of human being says all publicity is good publicity.
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if it's horrific comments about a person and your character, that's not good publicity. that's a bad character assessment. the most meaningful thing to me about donald trump, is his supporters, the rabid ones, the ones who have written vitriolic, hate-filled letters in the last several days, don't understand that he does not care about them. he has no interest in them, except so far as they vote for him. he will no more take care of him than he will the people who went through trump university. those are many of them, people in the same kind of circumstances in life. they don't have any advantage. and they're looking for somebody to come along and be their saviour. donald trump has no intention of being anyone's saviour but his own. full stop. >> tony schwartz, ghost writer
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of the art of the deal, thank you very much, tony. >> the point that tony just mentioned about getting this cease and desist letter from the trump organization, i think we're breaking that news here. i'm not sure that's been reported. they're about to fully report that at "the new yorker," but we are breaking that news, including tony schwartz give back his advance payment and all his royalties from writing the book years ago. >> we'll take a quick break and then take a look at night three of the gop convention when we come back.
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>> the first headline speaker of the night has just started, two-term florida governor rick scott. former health care ceo. let's listen in. >> -- orlando a month ago, we have received outpourings of love and support from americans everywhere. american people sure stick up for each other. so on behalf of all the citizens of our great state, thank you, thank you, thank you. [ applause ] i'm old enough to remember when terrorism was something that happened in foreign countries. not today. how many more times does the evil of radical islamic
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terrorism have to occur before the president of the united states will muster the courage to face the truth? how many more orlandos? san bernardinos? or ft. hoods will happen before president obama decides to be honest? i cried with the grieving moms and dads and brothers and sisters of the 49 people slaughtered by the isis-inspired terrorist. this war is real. it is here in america. and the next president must destroy this evil. [ cheers and applause [ cheers and applause ] donald trump is the man for that
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job. i met donald trump about 20 years ago, before either of us decided to run for office. let me tell you why this is the time for donald to be president. a a lot of politicians like to give speeches and say, we are at a cross roads. that's not where we are today. today america is terrible world record high debt. our economy is not growing. our jobs are going overseas. we've allowed our military to decay. and we project weakness on the international stage. washington grows while the rest of america struggles. the democrats have not led us to a cross roads, they have led us

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