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they have been moderate, pro free trade, they have been hawkish. this man has just taken over the republican party and said, the hell with the neocons. we're not a hawkish party. no more regime change. no more nation building. good-bye to all that which "w" basically created. good-bye to decree trade agreements, which george bush sr. basically began. good-bye to all that. it's an extraordinary transition in a party just in one year. it did have two things you may not like at all, one was anger, whether it was practiced or inability to deal with a tell prompter, i think it was the latter, the inability to act through with the prove cadence. compare that to ivanka, who owned that tell prompter. her elecution was speech school. perfect. every word was pronounced beautifully and exquisitely. she understood the flow of the word, the paragraphing and she worked it as a professional.
i again go back to jon voight's reading. they should use him in all their future commercials. his looping of those commercials was spectacular. it was confident. it was calm. it was credible. trump spoke with such anger, you have to wonder was it purposeful or was it something he was doing to try to avoid getting out of cadence. if anybody yells about hillary clinton's yelling again, they got to defend trump's yelling. because that was the speech of yelling. and it had no charm most of its way through. you can go after hillary for being charmless and yelling too much. always think if you're a republican or trump guy, you've got to defend trump. because he was yelling. the whole time. >> chris matthews in cleveland. steve schmidt here with us, just looking, monitoring, paying attention to some of the reaction tonight. one thing that's getting a lot of traction on social media is the response to donald trump's speech from david duke, the former klan leader who is thinking about
running for congress again or running for some elected office again. he says great trump speech. america first. stop wars. defeat the corrupt elites. protect our borders. fair trade. couldn't have said it better. meaning couldn't have said it better myself. a lot of people who are critical of donald trump generally look at praise like that from someone like donald duke and wonder if he is a gateway drug. if there is something beyond donald trump himself, that means a much greater transformation of the republican party into something that is going to be new to mainstream politics? >> david duke is a disgusting figure. he's a racist, a bigot, a cancer on the body politic, and he's expressing himself as he has a first amendment right to do, but i don't think that that has anything to do with donald trump. >> but there's a pattern of people on the really, really far right, the racist right saying that trump's giving the world more room for their views. >> i think donald trump would be
well served to repudiate all the racists and bigots on the periphery of this campaign. it something he should do soon and make it crystal clear. i think there's another threat in this speech. the rise of donald trump could only have occurred in this era where trust has completely collapsed in nearly every institution in the country, in the eyes of the american people. and one of the things we think about that collapse of trust is the belief by so many americans is that there's one set of rules for people at the top and there's a different set of rules for everybody else. and he spoke powerfully to that. i disagree with our colleague joy reid a little bit on something that she said. this wasn't a particularly ideological speech. it was much more aimed at that group of the population that thinks they're disenfranchised by virtue of there being a set of rules for the powerful, for the elite, the corporations.
it's remarkable when you hear the republican nominee attack directly big business in the speech. unprecedented for a republican speech. he's really upended the policy orthodoxies of the republican party over the last generation. i think you look at the mood of the country, you look at the number of americans who believe the country is on the right track, who have lost faith in institutions, this was a powerful speech to them. >> to me what was transgressive about the speech not necessarily in a good way, instead of offering policies with details, we know what he's against, but instead of telling us exactly what he's going to do, he offers himself. i am your voice. he offers himself as the personal solution. to this. and that, to me, is transgressive of the norms of american politics. you offer a party, you offer a program, you offer solutions. he offers himself. >> historian/author michael
beschloss is waiting to talk to us in washington. michael, we know what we just witnessed is history, but tell us how and in what ways. >> well, i think one thing, brian, is that we've been hearing for a few days that this speech was going to be modelled on richard nixon 1968, and there's been sort of a play book for both richard nixon and ronald reagan in 1980, which is you're running against a party that owns the white house and you do it by certainly indicting it, saying the country is not in great shape, but at the same time being somewhat more moderate and presidential and trying to get people to like you. donald trump threw that entirely out the window tonight. you know, what we saw instead was a red meat indictment almost from beginning to end where the core of it was to say you americans have all sorts of reasons to feel economically insecure, militarily insecure, insecure in the streets and in
your homes, and i'm the only person who stands in a position to reverse that. it's something that we really haven't seen in modern times. >> something said during the speech tonight from bernie sanders, quote, i alone can fix this, referring to trump. senator sanders goes on to say is this guy running for president or dictator? it was an often retweeted sent imduring this speech. then, michael, is the sheer math of it. 28th person nominated for president by the republican party. >> right. >> 70-year-old nonpublic office holder. >> breaks one record after another. i think one of the other things that we're seeing tonight is that failure to pivot. you know, we've been hearing for months perhaps he will pivot on the night of his acceptance speech. i think the headline tonight is no pivot. >> michael, how does this educate and inform the way we
look at, the way we cover the democratic gathering now? >> well, i think one thing is to say is the way that donald trump handled this tonight, is this just him and the way he's approaching this presidential campaign or has politics changed so much in this year that the democratic presidential nominee, hillary clinton and whomever she chooses are going to have to take heed of that and give a much more combative speech in return than otherwise they might have in a previous time. >> michael, can i just ask you about the gender issue that chris matthews raised saying because donald trump's speech was more than an hour long, a lot of it was red-faced, it was angry, it was dark, it was about people -- immigrants being released into our streets, as if they're a foreign species, let alone a foreign people. because it had those tones and the verbal cadence where he
really delivered most of it and he yelled, that that means that people should stop complaining about hillary clinton yelling. is there any way to understand the different lanes that men and women are afforded in terms of showing emotion, showing anger, showing a range of emotion? >> i think we are seeing those rules be rewritten every hour. that's going to be one of the fascinating things the next three months to see how that affects it. >> one last question for you, michael. you said last night that when ted cruz came out and did not endorse donald trump, and then was booed off the stage, you said last night that you'd never seen anything quite like it. >> no. >> i wonder if over the last 24 hours anything has come to mind that was like that or if that really was unique? >> there's been a little bit of a wwe element to certain moments in this convention and that was true a little bit tonight in that donald trump basically did not say, you know, i'm going to show you a different side of me that's softer, perhaps a little bit more centrist, will remind
you more of earlier presidents. the appeal tonight was basically you may not like me but you need me. >> michael beschloss. nbc news presidential historian. michael, thank you very much. it's always great to see you. let's go back to kelly o'donnell on the floor of the convention. kelly, i believe, has reconnected with her earlier undecided delegate. kelly? >> rachel, we've got the before and now the after. we met amy newton earlier, she's a mother of four, a utah delegate and serves on the salt lake city council. we talked to you. you were hesitant, wanting to support the republican nominee, not entirely sure about donald trump. as we meet now the utah sign's been taken down, the balloons are everywhere. in that rather long speech did donald trump win you over? is >> i think it was interesting, as he was speaking i just had this realization that the reason so many of us didn't like him was because he was so open about some of the things, weaknesses,
some things he had done, you know, before, and kind of, he had this self-awareness about him that was really interesting. but i think that characteristic that we didn't like about him initially is what i also do like about him, which is that brutal honesty. tonight, i loved what he -- when he talked about -- joked about knowing what bankruptcy, how to get around that because he's done it. i loved that he was so brutally honest. i loved what he said about not really deserving the religious institutions -- >> that felt like an ad-lib and people responded. >> right. right. it felt so real. and he mentioned the lgbtq community. things that we don't normally hear at republican conventions -- >> did that touch you in a different way? >> it did. i actually got emotional when he was talking about that. it's the comment after about he loved how we responded to that. i think sometimes as republicans we get put in this corner, we don't care about poor people, and we don't care about the lgbtq community and we do.
and i think we saw that here tonight and it was really refreshing. >> can he represent you going forward? >> i think so. i definitely don't like the alternative of hillary clinton. like i said the presidency is more than just the one person. it's the supreme court justices are huge. and i like the brutal honesty. i think the american people are tired of sound bites and slick politicians, and they want something different. and i can see that now. >> thank you for sharing your thoughts and your sort of mental journey on this as well. as a delegate from utah and someone who feels differently about donald trump after his four-day convention has wrapped up. back to you rachel, brian. >> well done, kelly. >> hearing from her in the first place was fascinating. hearing from her at the end of the night, that was reality political television of the best kind. >> fascinating to hear from folks. mike murphy is outside having witnessed this. we covered your journey this season, as well. you cast your lot deeply with jeb bush. so did a lot of other people. that was where the smart money
was a while back. what did you make of tonight? >> well, it wasn't my brand of republican. it was a very authentic speech. it was very trumpian. if you liked trump before you're going to like him more now. if you didn't like him before, i think you may not like him even more now. it was a very, very dark speech. darkest i can remember. it was a brutal speech. i mean i had no idea we live in gotham city, marauding gangs everywhere, we need a caped billionaire vigilante to straighten things out the tough way. i agree it's the change election but you can have an optimistic inclusive change. this was same old trump resentment and a fair share of demagogic material. i'm not sure he moved the ball forward beyond whatever appeal his resentment style has. we will see. the democrats will have their chance. then that first debate. i don't think it was a big number mover. he doubled down on what he's been doing. great in the primary. we'll see in the general
election. >> let me ask you, given that perspective, and i'm definitely going to steel your gotham city line, i want to warn you in advance. >> that was good. i felt like there was two moments of levining from trump today, one we just heard from that utah delegate who was persuaded by him and that was the ad-lib after the part about orlando, the lgbt community being targeted when he appeared to be an ad-lib as a republican, can't tell you how happy i am to hear you cheering me say that, thank you. and there was when the crowd started chanting lock her up, lock her up. and he calmly and levelly said let's defeat her in november. those felt like mature, responsible, notes of leavening in an otherwise dark speech. >> i agree with that. one problem with trump is and the reason some conservatives don't trust him is he has a history of republicans would say
squishy moderate positions but his tone is the opposite of moderate so they're in conflict. but when he sounded more like his daughter, that was a more welcoming trump that would be a path to a more compelling change campaign than the, i got a list of foreigners and troublemakers and when i'm not building a wall, i'm going to have a roundup. i think that locks him in a box. but he committed to that message in this speech. it felt like the primary was still going on. >> not to push too hard on the gay issue, as i'm one to do, but it seems to me like it is carrying a lot of weight. a lot of people are putting a lot of importance on this issue with this idea that trump might be a more broadly appealing kind of candidate for the republicans. is that undercut at all by put be such a hard-liner on that issue, mike pence, on the ticket with him? i think mike pence is more identified than any other statewide elected official in the country, with hard-line anti-gay politics, and a hard-line anti-gay history.
is that going to be at all complicated for him if he tries to tread that path? >> i think trump's on the right track there. i thought for a long time the party has to modernize its position. pence is a strong social conservative, but he's the side kick. it's more his problem to get where trump is than trump's problem that he picked somebody like that. because it's very clear. there's only one superstar in the trump orbit. only one sun in that galaxy to pence's opinions i don't think are that important to trump. whether or not the democrats can make a wedge out of that or not to scare some voters, we will see. but trump is not opening the door to the usual attacks on intolerance on gay issues and that's something about trump i applaud. the problem is he's busy being intolerant on other things, particularly muslims and latinos. >> mike murphy, your material is going to get borrowed a lot. i think you're going to hear gotham city -- >> public dough main. >> you're going to hear billionaire vigilante, maybe even next week in philadelphia. a break for us.
when we come back, lawrence o'donnell has his nightly look at all things under review. heavy on rhetoric tonight, yes, but there were facts in that speech. we'll hold them up to a bright light when we continue. >> important night. yes. >> friends, delegates, and fellow americans, i humbly and gratefully accept your nomination for the presidency of the united states. keup remover take it all off? every kiss-proof, cry-proof, stay-proof look? neutrogena® makeup remover does. it erases 99% of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. need any more proof than that? neutrogena.
these are people who work hard but no longer have a voice. i am your voice. >> that is the hoped for enduring quote from tonight. tomorrow morning's "new york post" front page, "i am your voice." for context, by the way, we looked up a year ago, don voyage. they thought he was out of the race after what he said about senator mccain. >> trump is toast after insult. mccain not a war hero. right, that was a year ago this week was the mccain insult. and this is the same paper. pretty remarkable. can i note for a second, "the new york post," owned by rupert murdoch, part of the conservative media empire in this country, rupert murdoch, as of tonight, is the acting ceo of fox news, with the founding ceo of fox news, roger ailes, moved out of that company, resigned
from that company, on the day that donald trump accepts the presidential nomination of the republican party. these -- those two events, i know we talked about this earlier, but it's hard to know, depending on whether or not trump wins, it's hard to know what this day will be looked at more for, ailes leaving or trump ascending. >> we've got some things under review, as we say at this hour. >> under review. >> by the way, rupert murdoch one year ago was tweeting that donald trump should get out of the race, and stop embarrassing himself and his family. >> how did that work out? >> based on the john mccain comments. >> yeah. >> it's, you know, the, the, the, the conservative media and the conference movement have become two different playing chips on the same monopoly board at this point and i have no idea how that's going to go through the election. lawrence you have been looking at factual assertions. >> we just heard kelly o'donnell talk to the utah delegate say
what she liked about it tonight. the trump speech. what she liked about it is it wasn't the stuff of normal politicians. she said quote she's tired of sound bites and lick politicians. well there were a lot of sound bites and some very slick m maneuvering in this speech. let's listen first to what donald trump said about violent crime in this country. it's where the speech began. >> i have a message for all of you that crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon, and i mean very soon, come to an end. >> how slick is that? that is the first politician in history to claim that crime will end. end, no more crime, it will end. >> what he means, we're going to have to assume is decline. it will be reduced. of course it has already been reduced dramatically. while our population has increased almost 100 million people since the reagan era, the crime rate under president obama is lower than under any previous
president going back through republican presidents, including ronald reagan. dramatically lower. he very specifically mentioned police officers killed in the line of duty, on everyone's mind this summer, as it should be. and what he doesn't seem to know is that police officers killed in the line of duty on average in a year, during the obama presidency, is a much lower number than any previous presidency. this, by the way, though was the very first presidential nominating speech to talk about that issue, to even talk about people killed by police or police killed in the line of duty. there's a really big, big glaring omission in this speech. let's listen to donald trump talk about the border wall with mexico. >> we are going to build a great border wall to stop illegal
immigration, to stop the gangs and the violence and to stop the drugs from pouring into our communities! >> we are going to build it sounds to me like the public works committee of the house and the senate because he never said mexico is going to pay for it. and that crowd possibly instructed never started to chant, mexico is going to pay for it. as they always do at trump rallies. this is a major pivot on one particular policy, anyway. absolutely no claim, no suggestion, no hint, that mexico will pay for it. i don't know if we're going to hear him mention the idea of mexico paying for it again. of course that was never going to happen. now donald trump seems to know. another very, very big item here that he talked about, immigration, and an omission here, or a change. let's listen to what he said.
>> we must immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism until such time as proven vetting mechanisms have been put in place. we don't want them in our country! >> you did not hear the word muslim in there. if that was the statement he made instead of the statement he made the night months ago when he walked out and announced he was going to ban the entry of muslims, it would have been greeted very differently because this particular phrasing of it fits within constitutional limits as we understand it. there are things you can do to restrict immigration from geographical areas. you cannot make -- you cannot possibly limit it on the basis of religion, which he did do. we would need a very long time to go through all of the economic stuff here. the shorthand version of it is, the speech was basically, i'm going to do the biggest tax cut in history.
i'm going to increase spending like no president prior to me in recent times, therefore, dramatically increase the national debt beyond any calculation at this point. he has -- he says he's going to build roads, he's going to rebuild the military, he's going to fix the tsa. you fix the tsa by hiring people, that's spending money. and as i say he's talking about the biggest tax cut, massive tax cut for the rich. and so no ability to finance the things he's talking about out of government revenues. massive, massive deficit spending was proposed in this speech tonight. >> all right, so donald, with all the items under review. and as you point out, we could -- >> i could do another hour. i might do another hour tomorrow night at say 10:00 on my show on this very subject. >> lawrence, spectacularly well done. steve schmidt i want to get at one other thing before we take another break here, which is something that you've talked about, and that is -- and
actually we all talk about when it comes to presidential nominees but it's very hard to get at. it's very hard to be anything but subjective about it. but it's hugely important and that is the issue of whether or not we are supposed to like these guys, whether or not the presidential candidate seems likable. whether that is in fact as important as we all apparently think it is and whether or not trump proved himself to be likable at this convention. >> i don't think donald trump comes across as particularly likable. i think you are -- i think he's an outlier on this. i do think that in a presidential election it does matter with what candidate is perceived as more likable. this race is unusual in its construct. we have the number one and number two most unpopular candidates in the history of american polling running for president against each other. and with trump, you see his delivery tonight. it is traditionally not an effective way to communicate. but, depending on how acute your sense of anxiety is, how acute your sense of danger in the
country is, the fact is, crime is at low levels historically. but crime isn't an issue that people vote on based on the numbers. it's an issue they vote on based on how they feel. >> it's what was in this week's news. that's always important. >> so i think that depending on how acute your sense of the crisis is is how you're able to look past some of the issues that trump has and default to the strong leader side of it. >> liking them will have nothing to do with who wins this. people who like hillary clinton are already with her. people who like donald trump are already with him. the undecideds will be doing this on the lesser of two evils. they will not be embracing the person they ultimately decide to throw the vote to. >> don't you think inevitably the democrats next week will invest in trying to make hillary clinton more likable? >> and you always should. but it isn't going to convert the final voters who -- those 2%, 3% who decide this in the end do not go in there saying
oh, i like this person. they go, oh, okay, here we go, i'll do this. >> let's remember to ask the question about the democratic nominee a week from tonight. >> right. exactly. because in part that's the work of the convention. >> egads. a break in our coverage, we'll be right back. can you love wearing powerful sunscreen? yes! neutrogena® ultra sheer. unbeatable protection helps prevent early skin aging and skin cancer with a clean feel. the best for your skin. ultra sheer®. neutrogena®.
and we're going to stop it. as your president, i will do everything in my power to protect our lgbtq citizens from the violence and oppression of the hateful, foreign ideology. believe me. i have to say, as a republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what i just said. thank you. >> that was so interesting. >> donald trump from tonight, part of the much talked about speech. he also to be fair talked for a long time. >> he did talk for a long time. putting those three clips together was really good. when he first came out and he started talking about -- it sounded like it was translated from morse code so i was a little worried. and then he said the second thing that he said and mentioned it again and talked about protecting the lbgtq community from foreign dangers, which is fine but there are domestic dangers as well and his running
mate is, a lot of people believe, one of them. but then the third point, that we just showed there, that ad-lib, that he thanks the audience for cheering for that part of his speech. that felt -- we know it was an ad-lib, at least based on his prepared remarks, and it resonated, and i think that will actually be seen as a warm-hearted moment by a lot of people who are otherwise scared about what he has proposed for a lot of minority groups. to chris matthews in the arena. >> we've got my regular chair. i think we ought to just do a little quick roundtable here. my take was quick. it was a rousing ending, an angry speech, a bit of a harangue for most of it but it hit all the erogenous zones all of his supporters. they all wanted to hear it. it's why he's here. he danced with the one that brung him. >> populist, national list, a little edgy, but when he went
off script he showed some mod rat impulses. >> joy? >> i thought it was dark. i thought there was no hope in it. you know, even -- >> what did you think of mike murphy saying it was gotham city. >> it was gothic. it was a cross between penny dreadful and the purge. i half expected to open the windows and see this landscape of crime and people running through the streets -- brown people and black people particularly, just marauding. and the thing that's so interesting about that is that the very people this was directed at. this was not directed at the whole country. when donald trump says i will be your voice, he meant a very particular kind of person who is angry, who sees the country as dystopian, sees it as destroyed -- >> what's dystopian mean? >> meaning that it's the opposite of a utopia. meaning it's a sort of a hell scape. and the irony is the people who have this paranoia that people who don't look like them are literally running wild with crime and illegal immigrants are marauding through the streets live in the parts of the country with the fewest brown and black people -- >> i agree with you on that --
>> they're angry -- >> they're say they're mad about being afraid. they're just mad about people being here. >> and the speech was directed at them. >> i have obviously a slightly different view of it. >> much bigger take. >> yeah, look, the speech read to me darker than it was delivered. i thought there was -- in the section i was sitting in, there were a lot of people who weren't necessarily supportive of trump or really questioning him. every time i watched them stand up to applaud something he said, i went that's another tick in his direction. and i just figured that out across the country. i hear what you're saying, joy, but that speech reflected so much of what america feels right now. and you know, a lot of people may not agree with that. you may not agree with that. i may not agree with that. but there is this section, and it is a larger section than i think a lot of us would like to admit, and it is brown people,
too, who feel that way. it's not just white folks who feel that way. and donald trump in a way is trying to reach them and say look, i get this. i get it. this sort of cultural p.c. environment that you find yourself in, you don't like it. and i have, i think, a solution for that. we'll see how that plays out. i agree with you, for me it read dark. when i read it it was like, okay, here we go. but then when he delivered it and i watched people respond to it -- >> >> because they already felt that way. these are people in the room that were his base. >> not everyone in the room was his audience, joy -- >> it's conservatives, and conservatives generally feel the country has sort of been destroyed by barack obama. but i will say, listen, not everybody in the country, don't say america feels this darkness. because not everybody does. there's a part of the country that feels this darkness, but if the country feels so completely distraught and pes miss mystic, why does obama have -- >> every four years as a measure
or a meter of which way the election is going to go. this is dramatically negative. >> it was dramatically negative in 2012. it was in 2012, too. >> what do you make of it? >> i think what you're seeing is a combination of things. i think on the left, among democrats, there isn't the sense that the country just is an awful place. which is what i heard tonight. was the country is just completely horrible place and only i can fix it. that's the message i heard. >> the thing is hillary clinton -- >> hold on, i think there are people -- >> that was part of bernie sanders' message as well. the country is in an awful place because rich white people have taken over and your wages haven't gone up. you don't have a good job. et cetera. et cetera. that is dystopian to what he said -- >> also have a driving dream. there's a lift to it. i think that one of the things that was missing here. there was nothing that lifted the country. >> i will agree with that. i will agree -- >> whether it was kennedy, barack obama, you lift the country, there was no lift here. >> anyway, criticizing hillary clinton over her e-mails, trump said that he alone can take on
the powerful in washington. let's watch. >> when a secretary of state illegally stores her e-mails on a private server, deletes 33,000 of them so the country can't see her crime, puts our country at risk, lows about it in every different form and faces no consequence, i know corruption has reached a level like never, ever before in our country. i have joined the political arena so that the powerful can no longer beat up on people who cannot defend themselves. nobody knows the system better than me.
which is why i alone can fix it. >> well, that was an odd moment. kevin spacey said you know me, i know how to play this game -- >> it was one of those weird, between the look, the pause, and -- >> the mugging. >> when you say the pausing, just as a writer can i just pause in because you're a fellow writer. the speech was clearly not written in donald trump's voice, which is weird. he was reading a speech that was written by -- >> had he read it before? >> it didn't seem that he read through it. so he was reading it really slowly trying not to make a mistake. >> i have a speech coach for him. ivanka. >> ivanka -- >> i'm not in the cult of
ivanka. maybe i'm alone. i'm not in the cult. >> you are alone. let me tell you, everything was beautifully almost poetically pronounced, her elocution was excellent, almost like out of a speech program at a great university. everything was -- she understood the rhythm of it. she knew when to stop, the paragraphing. everything. whereas he, as you were putting out, he was out of sync with the cadence of the words. >> the audience didn't know how to react to it. >> his applause lines weren't in the right places. >> the creation of the speech, it was written mostly by steven miller, a former aide to senator sessions of alabama. and it's written in the cadence of jeff sessions. it's hard-line, populist, an outsider in congress. trump has embraced that wing of the party. he's not unnatural in that wing of the party and what you saw tonight was a billionaire, a brash new yorker, who's modern on social issues but knowing in this crowd he's not a fully
formed republican and he's going to go with that hard right that jeff sessions wing in voice, and in policy, and that's going to be his sale to the country. >> it's interesting you say that. jeff sessions has this southern aristocratic delivery. and the speech was very formal. >> it was. >> i thought it was this edwardian language and he is a queens guy who even though he has money doesn't come across as old money. he comes across as sort of a -- so he's reading this edwardian -- >> it read -- >> let's find one thing we agree on. why did he use the phrase -- rachel pointed this out earlier. why did he use the phrase with all its implications and attitude, law and order. he didn't say let's enforce the law. he did that once. most of it was the phrase law and order that was so nixonian, >> i think it was an purpose. >> i think that carries a racial tone to it. >> it carries a racial tone -- >> and by the way, safe schools. the reason we're going to have vouchers and charter schools is not for better education, but to get the kids away from the bad
neighborhoods. >> the johnson amendment. a lot of these were signals that people in the audience on the right would understand. i'm going to let the churches get directly involved in elections. the johnson amendment was about some of the white churches in the south against the civil rights act. >> christian academies were created so they wouldn't have to go to public school. >> so they wouldn't have to go to public schools. no wonder -- >> -- appreciate that. >> what about that moment when there was a protester up in the audience and trump takes a few seconds to think through what he's going to say. usually when you see trump at a rally and there's a protester he goes right at the protester. he paused and what did he come back to? the police. >> we'll be back at 1:00. let's go back to brian and rachel. >> chris matthews and panel, thanks. we're going to take a break. when we come back our tired, our huddled masses, our road warriors on the floor of the convention. >> they're yearning to be free but oh, no. oh, no. not yet. >> the bus leaves for philadelphia overnight.
child who dreams for their future, i say these words to you tonight. i am with you, i will fight for you and i will win for you. to all americans tonight in all of our cities and in all of our towns i make this promise. we will make america strong again. we will make america proud again. we will make america safe again. and we will make america great again. god bless you and good night. i love you. >> the final wind-up in the closing minute of tonight's gop convention in cleveland. let's go to cleveland where
chris matthews is standing by with the campaign chairman and the speech writer. chris? >> of course you mention paul manafort, the campaign manager. steve miller, he usually does the introductions of the candidate out on the road, right? >> i have a diverse role. >> give it a grade. >> i think it was an "a." >> an "a"? >> what would you give ivanka? >> an "a" plus. >> and what about jon voight for his narration of that film? >> "a." >> three as. let me ask you about the anger in the candidate's voice. you have to invoke something if that you're not used to reciting. i've seen trump mix it up really well on the road, humor, ad libs, funny comments, nicknames. tonight it was almost humorless in its anger and power. why was it relentlessly the same
tone and anger? for the whole pour plus? did you write an angry speech or did he just deliver it angrily. >> if you listened to the audience it was a speech punctuated by endless applause and cheers throughout the entire speech. >> but no humor. no fun. >> i think there was a lot of humorous moments that he had with the audience. and a lot of very sincere and touching moments. when he talked about the pledge to protect the safety of lgbtq citizens. there was a lot of very human disarms moments in the speech that were really quite remarkable. >> it is remarkable because in 2004 in this state of ohio you had don king in your party and karl rove dealing with the african-american ministers in this county revving up the anti-gay marriage vote. that was used to basically destroy john kerry in this state very effectivively. >> i'm just asking why the
change? why pro-guy rights? >> you say the term gay rights as if there's a group in america that don't believe there should be equal rights for everyone. everyone believes in equal rights. there are disagreements about what is a right and what is not a right. and you know that. >> so the sentiment hasn't changed? >> what he's talking about is having a country where everybody feels safe, protected and respected. >> the sentiment's obviously changed. paul manafort the sentiment in this audience was not anti-gay at all. it was pro-gay. at least -- >> -- response. because of the individual rights, and issues like that. this is a party that contrary to the way it's presented is a pretty diverse party. some of the criticism against mr. trump during the primaries was that he wasn't -- he was not conservative enough. but he's always said that he had certain positions that were related on the issues, not on being set into a peg. tonight's goal in the speech was to present his vision for america. in the speech he said i'm not
going to lie to you. unlike what happens traditionally in political speeches where people will, you know, pretend that things are better than they are. he said i'm going to tell you the truth. the fact you consider that somber, that's the reality of what's going on in america today. because people are not feeling good about their country. >> can i tell you about an e-mail i received? >> somebody said it's not a sunny speech because it's not a sunny country. >> right. i got an e-mail after the speech from one of the moms he mentioned. she said, thank you so much for mentioning what happened to our families. i am crying through my eyes, barely can see the keyboard as i type now. doesn't that mother deserve to have one night in america where her needs come first? there was something profound and beautiful. the mom he mentioned who lost her child to an illegal immigrant. when he talked about it, there were no demonstrators on behalf of these victims. there's no special interests on behalf of these victims. i thought that was so touching and poignant. and i've seen behind stage the
time he spent hugging and embracing these people. that comes from a very sincere place in his heart. >> why did -- somebody pointed out -- >> i want to point out something. this speech was a positive speech, too. in the beginning he set the tone of what's going on in america. at the end of the speech, he was talking about his vision for america and how he was going to stand up for all americans and he laid out issue by issue the difference between hillary clinton and himself and what he was going to do to make a difference. so he wasn't just offering a bleak perspective on the country. people already know that. what he was saying is yes, it's bleak, yes, this is true, but here's what i'm going to do. >> this part i liked. can i read you the part i liked? we must abandon the failed policy of nation building and regime change that hillary clinton pushed in iraq, libya, egypt and syria. will donald trump position himself from here to november as a candidate against those policies of regime change? >> absolutely. he has from the beginning. >> the assumption here is hillary will defend them.
>> so again, there's so much rich texture going on here. that's a great point. donald trump positioned himself as a candidate who on the issue of trade and foreign policy sides with the great, broad heart and soul of working people in this country in both parties. >> trade, illegal immigration, bad trade deals and stupid wars? >> right. if you think about how historic that is, you had a republican nominee who said i'm going to protect your jobs on trade and i'm going to stop reckless nation building and focus instead on policies that keep america -- >> if you think about it, chris, this is going back to the reagan foreign policy of the 1980s, before bill clinton became president, before obama became president, since the 1990s, we moved away from a policy that put america first, to a policy that became more nation building. >> but that bushy crowd is still floating around. >> they were in between. >> the bush crowd believes in trade. bush senior, h.w., he came out
for nafta, that was his creation and clinton got it through. they got a war apiece. one the gulf war and one the iraq war at least. they've got the afghanistan war. that's three among them. they were definitely for nation building and regime change. that's been their salt. how do you move a party so dramatically from what it was to see recently? >> first of all, we're running against hillary clinton. hillary clinton was an architect of the nation building programs that were mentioned in the speech in syria, egypt and libya and in the obama/clinton administration, you know, had a very different approach than what donald trump is saying. and that's our campaign. and where he's going to move the country, he's already been talking about. this is not new tonight. he's been talking about this since he put -- >> i'm so glad you brought it up. i hope it's one of the most discussed things in the coming days in the convention speech -- that we laid -- >> i think you and i agree on some things. this is frightening. is hillary a hawk? >> absolutely. but not --
>> but i want to qualify that -- >> are you going to call her a hawk? >> i think she's somebody who is out of touch with what the american people want. >> i want to be clear -- >> is she more hawkish than most people are? >> she believes the united states should take a more aggressive role in determining people's fates outside of this country. >> she's a hawk when it comes to intervention but she's not a hawk when it comes to building up our military, our missile defense or going in targeted strikes against isis. but when it comes to nation building, that's her game. >> i think you're luring me into a trap here. congratulations on a big speech. one of the big speeches of your career i'm sure. i thought it was a little haranguing at times and then i thought it didn't have a cadence, then i thought it had a rousing ending. steve miller, the great paul manafort. thank you, brian and rachel. >> speaking of rousing endings, thank you for the rousing ending for this hour, chris. the guests don't get any fresher than the chairman and the speech writer. hours of coverage yet to go. >> absolutely. >> and then we've got
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