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good morning and welcome to "am joy" coming to you live from independence hall in philadelphia on the eve of the democratic convention. hillary introduced her running mate on saturday. tim kaine put to rest the idea he is boring. he came and fired up the owd in a 40-minute speech talking passionately about where clinton should be president and telling his own life story and frequently switching from english to spanish. and trump weighed in on the pick on "meet the press" this morning. >> hundreds of thousands of dollars, the other thing about him, he's bought and owned by the banks. and the third thing, he's in favor of tpp and every other trade deal that he's ever looked at. >> msnbc kasie hunt joins me live from the convention site. what is the lay of the land this morning? >> reporter: good morning. the balloons are stored in the
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ceiling here at the wells fargo center in philadelphia as democrat are ready for this. but there are a couple of things showing a few shadows on what is going on. this dnc leak, all of these e-mails from the dnc, the party grappling with that right now, trying to figure out how to make sure they plaque ant sanders' supports who feel like this is further proof that the system is rigged against them. that is one challenge. and the question whether debbie wasserman schultz will have a role after the convention, and it is looking less likely that is the case. and bernie sanders supporters are saying they approve of media reports that say that she will have a diminished role. there is bernie sanders supporters coming out to criticize hillary clinton over her choice of tim kaine saying he is not progressive enough. but i have to tell you i was in the room last night -- yesterday, i should say, yesterday afternoon, when tim kaine was formally introduced
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and the clinton campaign could not feel better about how the roll-out of his vice presidential pick went. they feel like it was a very clear contrast with how donald trump selected mike pence and how that roll-out went. it was very buttoned down. they were eager to kind of explain us to the secretive details of how john pedesta and others snuck to rhode island and ferried him to florida before anybody found out before they wanted people to find out and kaine making a strong debut on stage in florida with clinton. the two of them seeming to have very good chemistry on stage. >> kasie hunt, we appreciate it. and our democratic strategist and white house aid keith boykin and howard fineman. and good morning, everybody, thank you for being here. and we have to talk about the
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dnc scandal first. we can't avoid it. chief, we know, according to the hill, that debbie wasserman schultz won't be speaking but chef a primary coming up in august and how damaging is the leak of the e-mails that shows that the dnc was talking shade -- or throwing shade at the sanders' campaign. >> i think it is an unforced error. i think it is unnecessary. i remember when i worked with mike dukakis, never write anything down on paper you don't want to see on the front of the new york times. i've been saying to the sanders team, this is not a rigged system and we have evidence that the system is rigged. that doesn't mean that sanders would have won either way. but just the idea this was a completely unnecessary thing for the democratic party to do. and to write it down in e-mail. >> and not only to write it down but to write down things that are offensive. one of the leaks was about an e-mail in which sanders is not
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mentioned by name but someone at the dnc said can we get someone to ask his belief. does he believe in god? my southern baptist peeps would draw a difference between the jew and and atheist. how is there not upset over that. >> i think people should have been time. and even debbie wasserman schultz on paper chair is over. i spoke with one of the leaders in the democrat national chair house and i said do you think debb debbie wasserman schultz will remain very long as the chair of the dnc and he said i don't like her chances. so whoever else is going to be fired, but wasserman schultz will be fired. it is rare that someone who is
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the chair continues on. that was never going to happen. but she has a chance of lasting until the end of the year and i think that is over. >> and it is difficult. and she has the re-elect coming up. and marshall said the comments do not reflect his comments. >> that is one of those apologies. >> that carries a lot of weight. >> you have to apologize. >> and i would be concerned that the bernie sanders campaign when he said she was on his target list, they start inundating her opposition with funding. i think this is now an opportunity for her, that her seat is going to be at stake because once again all bernie has to send a raise money for the other guy, and she's done. >> and we talked to our political director about these when they were bubbling up in the news and some of the e-mails were sent on the day that bernie sanders said that he wanted to support her primary opposition. let's play bernie sanders' reaction to the leaks from wikileaks. take a listen. >> this does not come as a shock
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to me or my supporters. there is no question but the dnc was on secretary clinton's side from day one and we all know that. and i think, as i've said a long time ago, that the time is now for debbie wasserman schultz to step aside, not only for these issues. >> and we should note that the clinton campaign did issue a statement. their reaction -- and they have said that sanders ran an extraordinary hard-fought campaign based on real vigorous and contested primary and as far as bernie, that is a question for debbie wasserman schultz and added this is further evidence that the russian government is trying to influence the election. that second part is interesting. i want to get to that. but no back up for debbie debbie wasserman at all. >> and the idea she was leaving is not a big surprise.
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but it is something that needs to happen for the party in order to have some sort of sense of unity to move forward at this convention. >> and to have a good start of the convention. >> and to demonstrate that the system is not rigged. and that is the biggest factor they have to confront. and nobody is going up to bats -- there is a long time fraction and this is something people are talking about. >> go ahead. >> deb debbie wasserman was trying to prove her werth to the clintons but they overdid it, as that e-mail shows. >> quickly i want to ask about the russian, because wikileaks, assange, there is a weikileaks and released personal information and not cool. but with you know that trump and putin are simpatico. that is worrisome.
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>> that is separate from the content of the e-mails. >> sure. >> but yes, it is an interesting wrinkle and knowing some history as i do, it was always the republicans who were accusing the democrats of fealty to the old soviet union and now you have the democrats accusing trump of tieing to the russians and the fact is trump never got money from the new york banks and then he got money from the chinese and now getting money from other russian shady characters. >> we have to talk about that. but i want to talk about tim kaine. and i have to ask you this question. i want to play tim kaine going into spanish. i'm jealous his spanish is way better than mine. but let's listen to him do it in miami. [ speaking in a foreign language ]
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>> okay. i've been dying to ask you this question because every time i've heard tim kaine pitch over the last several months and it has included he could speak spanish. i'm tickled by it. is this something that delighted people more than having an actual latino person to put on the ticket. it is so delightful that he could flow into spanish. i don't think it is offensive at all. >> normally, yes. but after the republican stage last week, where latinos were basically being beaten up one after the other and the fact that this man recognized that we are american are refreshing and he says it in spanish is charming. but at the end of the day what he said underlined what the latino community believe is faith, family and hard work. he stressed it and emphasized it. and people get tired of touting out the three spanish words that you know but they have been so under attack, this is a refreshing point. >> and i talked to our key
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latino editors that said does he speak spanish. and the key rule for a politician is don't speak spanish unless you do it well. and he said he is impressively good in spanish. >> and for latino voices on your team and in columbia, we take great pride. >> okay. we'll be back later on in the show. but up next, and later on, we'll be joined by jeff weaver. he'll talk about this in person. he'll be hear to weigh in on the dnc week. but are we living in trump's world or is it the world versus donald trump? that is next as we continue our live coverage of the dnc from philadelphia. i love my shop,
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a part of it was, i'm comparing myself to hillary. and we know hillary. and we look at her record. her record has been a disaster. and i am running against hillary. it is not like i'm running against the rest of the world. i know people that are very capable and could do the job but never get elected. >> dond trump on "meet the press" pushed back against critics who say he delivered a grim portrayal of a troubling america and the gop nominee doubled down on his frustration with members of nato and that has trigger add larm balls in the white house and within the trump own party. >> we have countries that aren't paying. and this goes beyond nato because we take care of germany and south korea and saudi arabia and we lose on everything. all i'm saying is they have to pay. now a country getted invaded,
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they haven't paid. they have a treaty, they are supposed to be paying. we have countries within fat fa- within nato that will taking advantage of us. and i believe they will pay. and when they pay, i'm a big deliver. >> and joining us now is april ryan and malcolm nance and howard fineman and steve clemens. i'm going to steve. because you are at the disadvantage and not hanging out with us. >> soon i'll be there. >> we miss you. donald trump has put forth some ideas that have alarmed people, the idea of walking away from nato or the notion that the united states would not fully back nato. when you combine that with his real affinity it seems to be for putin and for russia, what do you make of all of that? >> well, it is sort of like hug
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your rivals and scare your friends. if donald trump were to win the presidency, he would have a international crisis of trust from our allies from day one. and they talk as if we are a hessians or mers onary force out for the big bidder. and for clarification. japan pays. many other neighbors are in mutual alliance but japan pays more host nation support for u.s. forces stationed in japan than any other -- and he seems to be devoid of understanding the national security reality out there. >> and he does seem to look at nato as a transaction. how much money are people putting in. they need to pay more. he looks at it as if it is a business and which is why the government is not run as a business. "the new york times" did an interview with donald trump and this is what he was asked.
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they asked him, the editorial board, could the members of nato including those new members in the baltics, count on the united states if they were attacked by russia. have they fulfilled their obligations to us? what does that mean. >> i don't know. because i've never heard a presidential candidate advocate extortion as a security policy. on the morning of 9/11 i was outside of the pentagon and i saw a airplane fly into a building and kill people. we were disheartened. next morning nato invoked article five against the defense of the united states and sent their troops to afghanistan for ten years where they lost their soldiers. debt paid. no one should be having this conversation about possibly scaring our allies into ponying up more money. it is disrespectful and shows he doesn't understand what a treaty
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is. >> and he has set up the democrats for, like perfect seamless response to. i want to play tim kaine talking about nato but in very personal terms. take a listen. >> in just a few days, he's deploying to europe to uphold america's commitment to our nato allies. nearly 2 million men and women put their lives on the line for this country. they deserve a commander-in-chief with the experience and the temperament to lead. what does donald trump say about these great americas, these 2 million. he repeatedly calls the american military, quote, a disaster. and just this week, donald trump said that as president, he would consider turn america back on our decades-old commitments to our allies. >> and he's talking about his
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son nat in the opening, going over to europe and deploying soon. could the democrats take advantage of this. >> the democrats could definitely take advantage of this in philadelphia and beyond. and we have to remember, this man, donald trump will be getting, if he hasn't already, he is starting to get intelligence information from those in this country who deal with intelligence -- >> he gets national security briefings. >> not one. but he continues, after he accepted that nomination. now here is the problem. he is looking at this as a business transaction, landlord and tenant. it is not that. this is decades old. and this is an alliance to protect many countries that russia wants to put their hands on that could cause more terrorism. donald trump's alliance could be a problem as it relates to his numbers when it comes to intelligence and the democrats have a chance to pounce on this and really show who is the novice, versus who has been here
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before. >> howard, have you ever seen anything like this? this combination of things, pro-russia and putin and treating it as a business transaction, is there a precedent for this? >> yes. in broad political terms there is. in the dynamics of politics you have to go back to 1964, which i did not personally cover. >> but you heard about. >> but that i read about. the democrats attacked barry goldwater, in a similar way outside of the box, frank speaking and republican candidate. instead, this guy is going to blow up the world and they did that famous daisy ad with the mushroom cloud and diplomatically this would be a mushroom crowd with a president who views nato as a new jersey protection scheme. you pay me the money and maybe we'll protect you. it doesn't work like that.
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and trump wants to say one outrageous thing after another. and he just wants to get clicks and eyeballs on twitter. stop it. you're the republican nominee. as april said, you are getting security briefings. in theory you could be president of the united states. stop trying to shock the world with outrageous statements. >> shock and awe. >> you have the nomination. calm the heck down. but you has no concept of what a treat kwi is. everything for donald trump is a real estate transaction where you threaten to walk away from the table every second. >> that is not how you conduct diplomacy or the world. >> and i'll give steve the last word because i'm sure people around the world are quite alarmed by what they are hearing from donald trump. >> i don't believe everything that tom cotton said, he said when deterrence is lost high school hard to rebuild that
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again. he is a huge support of nato and integrating with nato nations and said that is part and partial why america is such an important bulkhead of security in the world and why that alliance is so important. he supports donald trump. and what donald trump is doing is, by his words, by threatening the alliance and creating doubts in allies that will be with them in their time of need, donald trump is undermining deterrence on his own and i think it is something that the people out there that are weighing support of donald trump need to look at. because this is not just a treaty. it is a question of how these countries work together to stem real rivals and real challenges and donald trump is taking it apart day by day. >> yeah and probably the most alarming passage in what you just said, he's still supporting donald trump. because the people who know better and say i'm fine with him being president, it is confounding. howard fineman. malcolm nance and steve clemens.
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of control things are along the u.s.-mexico border and said we need to expand this fence between the u.s. and mexico and that is why we came here to san diego to see what things are really like on the ground. >> it is a double fence. >> so the primary fence main purpose is to stop the vehicle flow from entering into the united states. >> and so this is a secondary -- >> yes. the secondary fence is used to deter ill lil migrant -- illegal migrants into the united states. we have approximately 43 miles of the primary fence. we have stadium lighting across the border. we also have remote video surveillance cameras that monitor the borders 24/7 and record. we have approximately a 2400 border control agents in the san diego sector. >> just approximately. >> approximately. >> there are nine sectors of the border patrol along the border and each has its own distinct
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topography and challenges. of the 1989 borders phelpsing protects 702 miles and agents will tell you, where there is a border, wall or not, some people try to cross it. >> there are some people sticking their heads over right there. >> these are what we call the scouters. the smugglers. >> so you are sure those people are scouting out in order to do something illegal. >> more than likely, they are, yes. >> you see that every day? >> we see that every day. >> wow, look at this. whoa! look out here, here is your border fence and that is mexico and this is the united states. >> correct. >> one of the biggest threats for us as border patrol agents is that the community on the mexico side is to close to our fence. a lot of the assaults unfortunately for our border patrol agents occur in this area. >> wow! okay. so this point right here, is the
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end of the border fence. >> of the primary fence. so that is mexico on the other side. >> that is mexico. >> correct. >> u.s. and mexico? >> yes. >> and you tell me you can do what you do without need to extend the fence. >> correct. as you see on the mountain, we have two border patrol agents that patrol constantly day and night. >> so far today you didn't bring anybody in. >> yes, we have. >> you have? a bunch of people? >> between 15 and 20. >> between 15 and 20 today alone. >> yes, sir. >> that is by midday. in san diego you could quintuple that. and last year they caught 26,290 people trying to cross in the sector. it sounds high, but thanks to increased enforcement and fencing and more technology and man power, when you comret to the all-time high of almost 630,000 in 1986, apprehensions
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here and across the country are near all-time lows. in 1986 the border patrol caught over 1.6 million people. the most ever. last year that number was just over 330,000. by that measure, the border has never been more under control than it is today. so i could see people watching this at home and saying, jacob is standing where there is no border fence. that is why we need a -- a donald trump border wall that stretches across the country but what i hear you telling me is it is not necessary because of the rest way the border patrolman dates. >> what we have works for us. the information and tuthe techn and the man power works for us right now. >> and they are for you too? >> oh, that was beautiful. >> and jacob joins me now from new york. that is a great package.
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great job. >> thank you. >> it was really stark. two things were stark. one, the graphs showing just what a trickle of people we're talking about compared to the mid-1980s. did the people you talked to give you a sense why it is so very few in number. >> it is the combination of the structure which does include the offense. they don't call it a wall, they call it a fence. and the technology which includes cameras and sensors and all kinds of other things that we may or may not see and the man power and the amount of border patrol agents on the border has gone up very high. when you look back towards the all-time highs in the 1980s. and i'm not saying -- and the border patrol is not saying that the border is not in place in times isn't dangerous and at times a large rush of migrants like in the rio grande with the central american migrants but they are saying the solution, necessarily, is not only building a wall across this
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entire border with mexico. >> and what is -- the other thing that struck me is 700-odd miles of fencing for a border that is more than three times that size. it is sort of like building a fence in your backyard but only on one side. what the point of it. it seems so pointless and it seems so quiet and peaceful. >> in some places the terrain is the border fence or the border wall. so they don't feel like they need it the entire way. but it doesn't deter people from crossing in the san diego sector. when they built the primary and secondary fence numbers did go down and some of the immigration moves to other places in the fence but then they move the resource. if you look at the fiscal year '17 budget request from the border patrol, they are not asking to build a wall. they are asking for more technology and man power because at this time that is driving the
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numbers to near record lows. >> mass nating report. jacob soberoff. thank you. appreciate it. coming up, many heard bloom and doom from the donald trump rnc speech. how did trump think he came across. the answer might surprise you or not. stay tuned for live more dnc coverage live here in philadelphia. ...clear for take off. see ya! when you're living with diabetes. steady is exciting. oh this is living baby! only glucerna has carbsteady,
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optimistic. and your words. >> those were not the words to describe it. obviously, i've never heard a speech like that by a nominee talking about illegal migrants roaming free and stopping things coming to our shores. the language was very dark. and the broader point was about the united states and in both crisis and in decline. so i'm not sure where he gets the optimism from. >> it is called the midnight in america speech. how did he miss that. >> it is morning on pluto. >> leave the planet now. >> it was competently delivered, if loudly delivered. >> and slowly. >> and very slowly delivered. but you have to take at one performance piece, the speech and then thank you for giving me a convention press conference the next day. >> and by the way -- ted cruz -- >> he went into orbit. the press conference on monday was the speech he really wanted to give. >> that is what i've been
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saying. >> the night before. >> and that shows you that, keith, in less than 12-hour time span, you could tell he was sort of eating his vegetables, reading the speech that we now learn was written by jeff sessions speech writers so it had the edwardian cadence and southern cadence to it. and then he just broke out of the box the next day and said ted cruz's father is a murderer. >> the man is unstable and i think he is a threat to democracy. and i'm glad "the washington post" came out with a blistering editorial the next day. i have never seen a conventional speech like that in my life. it was dark and lacking in specifici specificity. and he promised a ton of things but don't say he will accomplish them. >> and the voters in favor of donald trump, it doesn't matter what he says. i rode the elevator with a lovely woman from north carolina
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and thought it was wonderful what and what -- and what the country needs to hear and is there a percentage of the country that does believe we are in the heart of darkness and only donald trump could save us. >> there is a section of the country from the media bubble for 35 years now and the primary architect of the bubble just lost his job, by the way. but you could hear the same nonsense and could hear the same nonsense before donald trump ever ran for president on your a.m. radio while you drive home from work on one particular television network and in the columns of your favorite newspapers and pages of your favorite magazines. donald trump is off the plum but not that far off the plum. >> but the question now is, and i do direct this to you because you work in the mainstream media as do i, there is a point at which it isn't funny and you have to ask people, if you truly
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believe that he's -- this person is fundamentally unfit to be president which some of his opponents say, marco rubio said it, saying he was unstable, but then why in the next breath they say i will support him because he is not hillary clinton. there is a point where the washington post editorial board and cruz are taking the position if you do believe that this person is dangerously unfit to be president? >> i think there is that idea. and i think one of the reasons people do say well i'll vote for him any way is symptomatic of what he represents which is this huge polarization. you could look at polling now and saying a large number of conservatives don't want to live near liberal people and people on both parties consider supporters or representatives of the only party to be a danger to the nation. in the midst of all that, people do tend to choose the red or the blue team and stick with it.
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>> and it doesn't matter who the nominee is. and this is another clip from "meet the press" and this is the other aspect of donald trump that has become normal for him which is the grudge, the constant nursing of personal grudges. this is him talking about whether he would put money into an anti-ted cruz super-pac. >> what is on m mind is beating hillary clinton and winning for the republican party. with that being said, yeah, i'll probably do a super-pac when they run against kasich, for $10 million to $20 million, against ted cruz, and maybe one other person. >> who is that. >> i won't tell you that. he's actually such a small person, i hate to give him the publicity. >> a thought? >> first of all, if he promises money, hold on to your wallet. i don't think this will happen. >> i never delivered on his monetary problems. and secondly, he has to run and
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win in ohio. no republican candidate for a president has ever won election without winning ohio. and here he is threatening the governor of ohio, a republican governor of ohio after the election. this is another reflection of his instability and i don't think that this person can be trusted to be president of the united states. >> and not only that, but this tendency, which is putin-esque, of going after his political enemies for retribution justice just for not being with him. that is a feature, not a big. >> it is an inherent part of his personality and that is his approach that he has translated it to politics. but to pick up on what keith said, disunity is a bad thing if you are in the business of winning elections. majority of voters don't care whether ted cruz or donald trump like each other. they look at a party that is feuding with itself and think why should i vote for that.
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>> but what do you think? >> the other thing is, i think for donald trump every day is festivus. the air of the grievances never stops. for most of us, every day we would like it to be christmas. >> we have to cut it. >> but the connection with putin is scary. that is legit and that is something that needs to be closely looked at. >> and people on the right have pointed that out, too. and it is festivus at our house. and thank you. and coming up, presidential spouses on parade. we'll talk bill clinton and melanie trump. stay witus. ♪ ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive.
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i'm honored to serve at first lady. i will use that wonderful privilege to try to help people in our country who need it the most. >> as the citizens of this great nation, it is kindness and love and compassion for each other that will bring us together and keep us together. >> these are the values donald and i will bring to the white house. >> melania trump's first political address earned rave reviews until it was revealed that part were plagiarized from michelle obama. and mrs. trump may be a november is -- the novice, that is not the case for bill clinton. he will give his eighth convention address since the first and not very well received appearance in 1988.
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but it was the 1992 dnc speech that kicked off his eight years in the white house when he accepted the democratic nomination for president. >> that the world needs a strong america, but we have learned that strength begins at home. look beyondhe stereotypes that blind us. we need each other. this is america. there is no them. there is only us. >> joining me april ryan and jamil smith. thanks for being here. and the two speeches. we know melania trump had a little trouble. >> a little. >> or she just appreciated michelle obama. >> they are secretly loving her. but purposely, they are like,
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that is our speech, but they stole it. >> but if she tries to do the late, late show like the guy gets in the car and try to get your freak on, we'll know she is -- what do you expect to hear from bill clinton. >> i think he needs to talk about his wife. make this not about him but about her. it is tempting to harken back to the successes of the '90s and talk about the prosperity under his leadership. but frankly, i think he needs to outline who she is at a person. i think it is the task that melania trump had and it was impossible for her. >> she doesn't have any personal anecdotes. i think a lot of us should have figured out there was something weird when he word the phrase your word is your bond which is a very american phrase that i don't think they say in slovenia. but i feel badly for melania trump. she is now the subject of a gallop poll. >> she'll be okay. >> like asaang, he has a worst favorable ratings for any
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prospective first lady since 1992. i don't think it matters that much. >> it does matter. it mattered so much, you remember the night that donald trump came to the convention and sat in the box without her. >> yes. >> so speech-gate did matter. she looks very nice. but it matters a great deal for donald trump and his numbers. >> it was very interesting. and we're comparing spouses. one of the reasons to do it is part of the narrative of the republican party is the country is in shambles and the current management of the country under barack obama is amess but look at the approval rating. people like michelle obama. she is 53% approvalable and 25% and hillary clinton at 55 to 26 when she was first lady back in 1992 and laura bush only at 34 and melania trump is not doing so well. how did michelle obama become
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this incredibly celebrated first lady given the way she was treating in the 2008 -- >> remember the newspaper cover -- the magazine cover -- >> the new yorker. >> where she had the afro. that is not who she is. they were trying to say she is not a militant person. she is a real person. she walks in the truth of who she is. a black woman in america. and our situation is different from many others. and not only that, she's done a universal approach. she has championed issues for the military, talked about big -- being for the mothers who have a husband overseas and they are home raising the kids, she's tried to champion them in their cause, saying, look, we need you come in. i was a single mother while my husband was working away or in washington. not only that, she is trying to help us live our best lives and be healthy. and get the great gams that she has. >> and she's fun. >> she is fun. >> and how does bill clinton become a first spouse.
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we've never had a monan do it. it is impossible to imagine how he would fill in the role. he is vilified by the left and the right and not as popular as he used to be, and how do you project your role here at the convention. >> hopefully he will embrace some of the roles that a first lady will embrace. >> you mean with the parties -- >> the china part. >> i think that he -- he should. there shouldn't be anything gendered about throwing a party or the china. he should embrace the role to show she belongs in my role too. >> and april ryan, who has covered many things in the white house and this president and what do you project bill clinton as first man. >> it going to be very different for him. president clinton, when he was president, he was someone who really liked to entertain. he was late all of the time.
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but i could see entertaining, but i do believe that hillary clinton will have a large hand in that. but i believe that they're going to work on his strengths. i believe he will do things -- she talks about having a conversation on race. i would not be surprised if he would lead the conversation. he did a good job. it was derailed because of some issues. >> that we related to him. >> that is a whole other story. >> we'll be back later in the hour. and it was car pool karaoke. i couldn't remember the name of it. don't go away. after the break, i talk to reverend al sharpton about his expectations for the democratic national convention and joined by bernie sanders 2016 campaign manager jeff beaver on the bernie factor and the dnc leaks. don't miss it. more live "am joy" from philadelphia when we come back. t all the way to jordan and chelsea's wedding. rumble! road trip. there she is. uh oh, oh, oh, oh, what?
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i've seen first-hand how the system is rigged against our citizens just like it wanst ber. he never had a chance. never had a chance. but his supporters will join our movement because we will fix his biggest single issue, trade deals that strip our country of its jobs as strip us of our wealth as a country. >> despite donald trump's attempt to wu his supporters, bernie sanders was not impressed. the veteran senator fired off during the speech posing the question, quote, is this guy running for president or dictator? it is the single most re-tweet of the night. the democratic national committee is under new scrutiny after wikileaks suggest dnc
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officials derided the sanders campaign and publicly insisting that they were neutral. and joining me now jeff weaver, the campaign manager for the bernie sanders campaign. great to see you in philadelphia. let's talk about that. the leaks from the dnc, presentee damning stuff. you have been charging all along that the democratic national committee was on the side of hillary clinton. and now you see that officials that -- top officials. >> it was always the case. and we were clear that was debbie wasserman schultz and her top people who were clearly trying to put this on the scale. and this just bears that out. they are required by the dnc charter to be neutral. they were clearly not neutral. and trying to plant negative stories about sanders and attack him on his religion. not something going on in the democratic party. >> and the person who did send that e-mail apologized but it is
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unprecedented, we haven't heard anything like that before in a democratic campaign. what do you want to see happen now. the person who did the e-mail about sanders' religion has apologiz apologized, what do you want to see happen or bernie sanders want to see happen? >> he's appeared in the news and we're trying to elect hillary clinton and defeat donald trump and you are a thorn in there, debbie wasserman and i think it is time she leave her position and we put somebody in there who could bring unity to party and the working class and the younger people we need to bring out in the fall. >> she is not speaking at the convention. you think she should step down. >> she should absolutely step down. this isn't the full extent of the e-mails. there are going to be more e-mails. and it will get worse and worse. and as you know there were heated times during the campaign, there will be more and
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it will get worse and worse and. and time to get rid of the problem and move on. and build this unity. we need to defe-- defeat trump. >> and senator did speak with chuck todd on "meet the press" this morning and let me play what he said. >> this does not come as a shock to me or my supporters. there is no question but the dnc was on secretary clinton's side from day one. we all know that. and i think, as i've said a long time ago, the time is now nor debbie wasserman schultz to step aside, not only for these issues. >> so very clear that debbie wasserman schultz and in the campaign view should step aside. what if she doesn't. >> the problem is we're trying to bring the party together and when she steps out on the stage to gavel in the convention, there are thousands of people who will boo her. is that how we want to start.
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and they've spent days of lifting of the michelle obama speech by mrs. trump and that is what we want to talk about the e-mails and how debbie wasserman schultz tried to skew the election in favor of the secretary. i don't think that is what we want to talk about. >> and trs the second version of the donald trump and so the first one redid it and fixed the spelling. it looks like bernie people will fight. if not, their blood, sweat and tears was a total waste of time. kaine stands for opposite. and this is a poll in june of who sanders supporters will vote for. 55% hillary clinton and 22% donald trump. and donald trump and gary johnson 18%. do you think there is a real chance that donald trump could pick up support from your voters? >> i sure hope not. because donald trump stands for everything that bernie sanders does not stand for. they are polar opposites. but the concern is will the sanders supporters support third party candidates or just sit
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home. we need everybody to come out and be unified and we need to take the fight to donald trump in the fall and this is a distraction and the whole e-mail thing is a distraction and we need to get by it and a slow drip, drip of nobody wanting to pull the band aid off is wrong. the good of the party and for the good of the secretary's campaign and unifying the party, we have to pull off the band aid and move on. >> and it is interesting. no direct support or back-up from the hillary clinton campaign from debbie wasserman shult who was a big supporter in 2008 and a big supporter of her now and what do you make of the fact that the campaign has said ask debbie wasserman schultz about her issues, we don't want to back her up. >> i can't speak for them. but i can't believe anybody would condone the type of behavior and discussions going on in e-mail. >> what will we hear from bernie sanders. >> we'll hear how we need to elect hillary clinton in the
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fall and continue the political revolution and fight for the progressive agenda he laid out during the campaign and that is in the democratic party platform. >> and you fought hard on that platform. and on the rules. lay out for the folks who haven't been following it, what you feel that the sanders campaign won at the platform and the rules committee yesterday. >> there was tense negotiations and there were those people not in the know of how long it took for him to endorse the secretary. it didn't come from the clinton campaign because they knew we were in negotiaytion them. >> and it is an example of what i call gracious and magnanimous leadership because they have an interest in bringing the parry together as well. >> and in the rules committee, you have a commission that will look at the rules in the campaign including
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super-delegates. >> we want to make sure they control the process and when enacted it will make two-thirds of current super-delegates pledge delegates and we'll have made a major reform. >> and the black caucus is concerned if you got rid of super-delegate it would reduce the influence of african-americans in the process. >> but so everybody who is now a super-delegate will still come to the convention and still have a vote. the members of congress and the governors and the president will have -- will be unpledged just as they are now. the other people who super-delegates will be a special status of delegate but have to vote in proportion to states they represent. >> and quickly, thoughts on tim kaine as the vice presidential nominee, a lot of supporters were unhappy. >> and people want to -- a avertly progressive candidate. i appreciate that. i live in virginia and i voted for tim kaine in the past and he is my senator. and his politics are animated by his catholic faith and i
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appreciate that and hopefully as he finds his way as the vice president, he will be more animated in that experience. >> based on my unscientific twitter poll it started off on tim kaine after his speech people felt better about him and his bio was progressive. thank you for being here. great to see you. coming up, the reverend al sharpton weighs in. don't go anywhere. ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash. ♪ youthat's why you drink ensure. sidelined. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals.
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our right to vote wasn't gained because of our age, our vote was soaked in the blood of martyrs, soaked in the blood of good men and soaked in the blood of those at birmingham. this vote is sacred to us.
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this vote can't be bargained away. this vote can't be given away. >> that was a great speech. reverend al sharpton electrified the convention in 2004 when he ran for president and voting rights and economic inequality are still front and center in the 2016 campaign. my colleague and friend reverend al sharpton joins me from atlanta. if it is sunday, i have to have the rev. so thank you for being with us. and you've done this before. given a great convention speech. what themes do you want to hear on this stage in philadelphia this year? >> well, i want to hear the protecting the voting rights. i think the one issue that i've not heard amplified enough is this is the first year in 17 states, joy, they have different voting regulations than they've had in the past.
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they can impede this proportionately of african-american and other vote voters, seniors and other young voters. i want to hear about the criminal reform bill before the senate and the house. and in that is, of course, policing. and i want to hear about income inequality. and i think that we've got to give a vision to the country, the democrats have to give a more positive vision. but it has to be vision in those areas. i'm glad the mothers of the movement, three of them whose cases that we have to bring national attention to, trayvon martin's mother, eric garner's mother and michael brown's mother are going to be speaking. but at -- again, the issues they represent, i want to see that amplified and become a priority. not just cameo appearances from some of the victims. >> and you know, to that very
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point, rev, our new nbc and wall street poll has hillary clinton at 8% and donald trump at 7% and in a sense does the overwhelming support that african-americans have for the democratic party enable the party to just take african-americans for granted and not feel they need to highlight those issues? >> if you look at it on the surface, that could be a position they take. but the problem that they have is that you've got to turn people out. and in order to turn them out, you've got to turn them on. so there is a huge difference to use trump's expression, in a poster calling me and in me getting up and going out and voting and standing in line if there is a long line. so what they have to do is make that 84% come out to vote. and if you are not addressing the issues that i'm talking about and many others are raising, you will is a poll who
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will not, in effect, go to the polls. >> absolutely. and one of the things that we've noticed and that has become a feature unfortunately of the present news cycle is the discussion of how bad people believe race relations are. the polling on it is pretty dismal. the nbc poll said relations in the united states good or bad and 74% said bad and only 24% said good. who do you make of that? >> well i think that we sometimes raise the wrong question. the question is not racial relations or race relations sh -- the question is racial justice. and the relations are reacting to those of us who have protested the unjustice. so the real inferences made from these kind of discussions are that if we would just shut up and suffer in silence, not talk about garner or alton sterling,
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then our relations would be better. no, they wouldn't. you would just be more comfortable with bad and unfair and unequal setups and rather than blame those of us in civil rights or black lives matter or whatever form of protest we use for the relations, let's blame the inequity in the criminal justice and economic system and voting system for our need to protest. there has been far too much debate on the methods of protest than what we are protesting about. >> and rev, to that point, when you ask are race relations good or bad, for white americans they will say bad because there is more discussion about race and in some people's mind it makes racial relations worse to your point. but for african-americans, one of the reasons that black folk feel the relations are bad because you are seeing the surge in public of outing themself of
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white nationalism. and there is an energized white supremacists and the day after his acceptance speech this is what kkk grand wizard david duke had to say. take a listen. >> david duke announced his senate candidacy, claiming your agenda for his own, or essentially saying glad that you spoke out. >> before you ask the question. >> newt gingrich said every republican should re paidy ate. >> and i do. >> would you support a democrat over david duke to defeat him. >> i guessing who the democrat is, because the answer would be yes. the answer is, as quick as you could say it, i want to answer you before you -- >> i get it. >> because last time, with another person in your position, i did it very quickly and they said he didn't do it fast enough. rebuked. is that okay. rebuked. >> rebuked. >> done.
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>> and reverend, and just my mistake, that was chuck todd talking to donald trump about david duke announcing the day after donald trump spoke that he was running for senate and endorsed what donald trump was saying that and when white supremacists say that, they don't believe him. he thinks they are with him, no matter what he says. what do you make of that. >> at the end of the day, you deal with where the goal and the end result is. the end result of his policies which clearly have been xenophobic and racially polarizing, whether it be mexicans, whether it be muslim or african-americans, it is where they want to end up. they can argume they can argue about the language, whether it is too rash or not, but that is where they want to end up. you have to ask yourself, you have covered all of the last several years, joy. you've had extremists in the
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black community, they get angry at me speaking at -- during the eulogy of michael brown or alton sterling and denouncing violence and they say that. while extremists on the other side are comfortable with trump? because they understand what he is not saying. so if you have lines of demarkation in the progressive side, then you don't see the same on the other side, it might be because there is a lot more dog whistling going on than there is clear speaking. >> and with the dog whistling that you're hearing on the donald trump campaign, does it trouble you that he still has -- despite the things that he said and paul ryan the speaker of the house saying his comments about the judge was outright racist and the party is unwilling to walk away with him and the republicans are okay with donald trump being president despite their own discomfort with that dog whistling.
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>> absolutely. it is outrageous for you to say, yes, what he said is racist, but i'm still going to support him. can you imagine on the other side, the democratic party had one of their candidates, and let alone the nominee, say something that the chair party said was racist and they are still standing them, what the reaction would be. we have lowered the bar so. no wonder people say it is, quote, race relations are bad. the adjustments being made on the one side and the lack of understanding of protests and redress on the other side has become almost unbelievable. we are actually dealing with people saying, yes, what he said is racist, but i'm still going to support him to be the next president of the united states. >> yeah. and lastly, rev, hillary clinton is going to call out black lives matter and speak directly to them at the democratic
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convention. what would you hope that she would say? >> i would hope that she says, first of all, all of us that have embraced the slogan and worked in different ways, i hope she will say specifically how she's going to deal with policing. as president obama had with his commission and many of us were involved. and deal with step by step -- i don't think that just saying words and identifying with pain and not telling us how you are going to ease the pain and then change what leads to the pain will be enough. i think that she should say, yes, i understand it, yes i had the mother's campaign for me, this is what i'm going to do to make sure that eric gardner and a michael brown gets justice in the future and this is the kind of attorney general i'll have and the justice department i will have. we need to get specific. we must have our passions drive
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our policies, not just expose and give a passionate plea without a policy follow-up. >> thank you so much, reverend al sharpton in atlanta. >> i'm on my way. >> see you soon. coming up next, steve king talks racial sub groups and trump talks scary migrants and the democrats say migrants are not so scary after all. more "am joy" next. (vo) maybe it was here, when you hit 300,000 miles. or here, when you walked away without a scratch. maybe it was the day your baby came home. or maybe the day you realized your baby was not a baby anymore. every subaru is built to earn your trust. because we know what you're trusting us with.
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where did any other sub-group of people contribute more to civilization. >> than white people? >> than western civilization that is in western europe and the united states of america and every police where christianity -- that is all of western civilization -- >> okay. so that with the sub-groups was day one of the republican national convention last week. trump surrogate steve king of iowa telling chris hayes and you which groups contribute what to america. and fast forward to thursday when donald trump gave his acceptance speech and we got this dark vision of what or who americans should be afraid of. >> nearly 180,000 illegal migrants are criminal records ordered deported from our country are tonight roaming free to threaten peaceful citizens. they are being released by the
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tens of thousands into our communities with no regard for the impact on public safety or resources. we must immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism until such time as proven vetting mechanisms have been put in place. we don't want them in our country. >> frightened yet? let's fast forward to the debut of tim kaine who also talked about migrants. >> raise your hand if you have been a naturalized citizen? yeah. well, thanks for choosing us. and when you go to one of these nationalization services and you see the people's desire to join this great country, you will basically have this pretty amazing thought.
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quite a contrast. joining me now april ryan and maria teresa and jonathan capehart. thank you for coming back. i have to start with you. so many feelings. because the interview where you were with chris hayes and steve king of iowa said that sub-groups have not contributed to america the way that i guess that the roots that the sub-groups emerged from in his mind. i don't even know. but then you caught up with steve king. and for those of you who haven't seen it, you find it online and he said only europeans and white people have contributed to the world and the rest are sub-groups and you catch up with him and interview him in cleveland about it and we'll play a clip of it. >> i said western civilization itself that goes back to motions and it goes from greek and it goes from roam -- >> and what about african or
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asia as well. >> i didn't say that all contributions to civilization have come from western civilization. >> do you consider your statements racist and many people are saying that you are racist. >> i will never defend against those allegations because it is such a cheap word and it is meanless today and gets hurled out there without thinking. >> racism is a meanless word. and you said heee lab or ated when you tried --ee lab or ated more and what did he say. >> i talked about carver and garrett morgan and he came back and said something to the effect they probably were taken -- revamped from western civilization. >> there you go. thoughts? >> i have none. >> your witness, jonathan capehart. >> i know. look, it is reprehensible that there is someone in the united states congress who thinks and believe that's
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way. but he is in the house. his district likes him. and they keep sending him back. but i think that i take heart in the fact that his comments of being heard and reacted to with condemnation, that this country realizes that what he is saying and what he has said and what he will continue to say is something that is behind the times, racist, ignorant, and is not truly reflective of what this country is all about. >> and it is a deep understanding, he doesn't understand the idea where the western civilization came from and he doesn't know his own history which was a concept created around world war i because we had to engage with europe because most didn't want to fight the civil war across the atlantic. and it is recognizing that us up for election in his fourth district and recognizing that iowa is changing, increasingly latino and asia and the question
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mark is why hasn't he run at large. for a long time he was touting this idea that he would run for senate. and he decided not to. because of the demographics there. >> two things. when i aired the audio on thursday, not long after we left the rock and roll hall of fame, that will always be in my memory now, burned there. but the issue is once we ran it, i had a lot of iowans tweet me and apologize and i said do you not understand that the wealth was created off the backs of my ancestors when we were brought over here for labor, free labor and forced labor and we created the wealth and he said my family were abolitionists and nobody thanks me. >> oh, that is great. it is text book white supremacy. and because what he is doing is the definition of what white
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supremacy, whether it is the greeks or the romans, are superior to those on the earth, including the majority of people who exist, which is asian people and including everyone else but donald trump has attracted not just the steve king but the people of overt white national groups. i don't know if i would support a democratic against him but i'm not for david duke. have you seen any evidence in your evidence that the trump campaign is trying to push away the steve kings and the white nationalists and trying to push them away. >> not that i've seen or not that i've heard. the idea that david duke feels comfortable enough to come from out of the shadows, from under his rock to run for senate again tells you that he feels that the nominee of the republican party has made it possible for him and his ideas to go -- to flourish. >> and every single speech kicked off from monday all the
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way through, every single one, i have never seen a republican party speech that talked about race so much. everything alluded to race, whether you are muslim or african-american, it was all about race and that is stirring a pot we are not ready for. >> we are the party that topped slavery, we wanted to stop slavery and we were founded because we are the party of lincoln. if you have to talk about it so much, it is show tlg is a problem and -- showing there is a problem and you want to put it out. >> in the intervening 200 years. >> but in the ted cruz speech, that litany of freedom stopped at 1964, at the voting civil rights act. >> and you have mihillary. >> and that is a critical time in our history. >> and hillary clinton sent out a speech saying i'm with you. and because that is his big speech and he is pointing to who the you. not included in the you, women, african-american, lgbt people,
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muslim and latinos and he did make a play for the lgbt-q and he didn't know what the q-was, because he was adding awkwardly the q. what was that about? >> when he said it, i sent out a tweet saying i think this is the first time in history that a republican presidential nominee uttered the words lgbt-q and the q is for questinoning, in it cae you didn't know. and then when the crowd applauded and he ad-libbed, as a republican i want to thank you for applauding that. it was a rare moment of humanity on his part. but the problem for him is that republican party platform is completely counter to what rfr sentiment that he is -- to whatever sentiment -- >> and for the candidate. >> he is not exactly lgbt-q pre friendly. >> and this party needs to find itself. and the rnc are trying to reach their people and they had an
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event at a church at the rnc. and they are trying desperately. but when you have people like steve king and others, it is really really regard. >> and i want to take a look at a poll real quick and i'll come back to you. and cnn did a poll and they just said white and non-white but hillary clinton is underperforming with white americans, 39% to 49% and more than barack obama and he got 35% -- or what he got. that is what he got. and then with non-white voters, hillary clinton 67% and donald trump 20%. it is difficult for him to win that way. i want to make that point. >> and the massive demographic shifts that our country is experiencing right now, for trump to win, he has to get 40% of the latino vote. and that won't happen. >> and you described this as a pete wilson moment. if you could reiterate that. because this is something we've seen before in our politics. >> pete wilson was from
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california and he created proposition 187 saying that if you look latino you may not qualify for any sort of aassistance, including going into the emergency room and that galvanized latinos in california to register to participate. before that it was a purple state. it was now completely blue. and that is why today you have two democrats at the top of the ticket running against each other for senate. and -- >> and one thing to keep in mind in the stats you are just talking about. hillary clinton getting 39% of the white vote, key thing to keep in mind, no democrat has won the majority of the white vote since 1964 and according to steve phillips book brown is the new white, the average white vote that a democrat gets when the person wins the white house, 39%. >> and let me say this. and really fast. donald trump is galvanizing that group that has been in the shadows. and he really could. >> potentially. and i want to ask you this
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question, april, because i did speak with a number of black republicans at the rnc who are fully behind the candidate. >> yes. >> and i found one of the consistent features of their support was a shared donald trump's views on immigration. what do you make of that. >> they share his view on immigration and saying it is about terrorism and keeping it safe. >> for job competition, i heard. >> and then keeping the boarders safe. it is about economics too. a large starts out with economics but they are supporting the sub-platforms and their overwhelming platform is the economic peace because many are business leaders. and then you come with the terrorism and then with the borders which donald trump has melded them altogether and they are saying they are okay with the fact that you could ban the borders to muslims coming into the country until we fix the problem and that is -- >> and if you listen to the way donald trump speaks to the
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african-american community, he talks about the economy and jobs. and then literally, he ends the statement with undocumented -- >> and we're pitting black against -- >> this is what republicans have been trying to do for decades. drive a wedge between blacks and latinos and donald trump -- and i haven't had a chance to even write this piece, but we keep talking about this, but the way that donald trump talks about the issues, he is -- and judging by the conversations in cleveland, he is succeeding in driving the wedge between blacks and latinos. all he needs a little bit of votes from african-americans and a little bit of extra support from latinos. >> but i'm not going to give him credit for african-american unemployment because he talked about the teen unemployment rate instead of the over all black unemployment rate. >> and they are sticking around with me and much more live from the dnc preview live after the break. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain...
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she has done a good job of letting the water go off her back on this. that's not the way i feel. when i see this crooked hillary or the "lock her up" it's just ridiculous. it is ridiculous. it is beneath the character of the kind of dialogue we should have, because we have real serious problems to solve. and most of us stopped the name calling thing about fifth grade. >> not a political marriage until you do a "60 minutes" interview. then it's official. what will be the big headline coming up? >> faith. a lot of people need to have
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faith not oennly in the candida they've chosen but the platform she's going to put forth and the steps she's going to take to achieve it. >> do you think she will be able to increase the faith in her, meaning poll numbers will show -- people feel more confident in her, trust her more? >> yes, yes. inevitably, this is going to be a positive convention geared toward increasing those numbers. >> hillary clinton really energized the democratic party and can she get people to take a fresh look at her? this is a woman who has been around for a quarter century. what can she do to make herself new? >> to that point, monday night will be bernie sanders' night at the convention. it's going to be the chance for the hillary and bernie camps to come together. you have congressman keith allison, senator jeff merkley. sanders is also going to be speaking. bringing that party together. with these e-mail leaks, do you think that will be a challenge? >> it is.
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making it much more tricky than it otherwise was. >> huge concessions on things that the sanders' campaign wants. all right. my friend, donald capeheart? >> i can't bring the funny. >> don't even try. >> monday night will be a rough night for the convention. by the time we get to thursday night, friday morning leaving philadelphia, i think the clinton campaign is going to rocket out of here. in contrast to the sort of goth fest that we just came out of cleveland, philadelphia is going to be very positive. i agree, it's going to be a big, positive, good convention, providing the momentum for clint clinton/kaine to make the case not just the democrats but to the other voters to beat donald trump. c c contrary to donald trump, people say he can't possibly be serious
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but clinton/kaine definitely taking trump/pence seriously. out of this convention they'll make the case to the american people that they have to take trump/pence seriously. >> i think you'll see donald trump live tweeting the democratic convention, which is not probably going to be good for him because he's going to come across as increasingly erratic. i'll give you the headline out of next week. it's going to be citizen kaine. i think tim kaine, based on his launch yesterday and skeptics, including me -- who was a very big skeptic. you know, we've had these discussions that hillary clinton need mord sizzle on the ticket, younger white women who have been reluctant to support her, elizabeth warren type of play, something that would excite the base more. coming out of this convention, the big headline is going to be that tim kaine is going to win over a lot of skeptics.
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we heard jeff weaver, the ultimate bernie guy, sitting here in the very seat, that he voted for tim kaine. if he's progressive enough for jeff weaver to vote for him, he's probably pretty progressive. he is going to be hillary clinton's joe biden. validator and come out of here with a lot of credibility. what do you guys think? >> i agree 100%. >> i don't like -- >> for all the reasons you talked about. yesterday during that rally, he sort of validated the confidence -- why they picked him and the confidence i had in him. more than meets the eye. people that thought he was boring and uncharismatic. >> he might be boring but in a good way. >> by the time we leave philadelphia, people will have a better impression. >> what do you think the fallout
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will be to the wikileaks? russian incursion into an american election, which is scary. wikileaks is not exactly waving the flag in terms of the things that they do. at the same time they have the potential to make the opening of the convention divisive. >> i think that's it, opening up wounds that were just being bound together between the progressive wing and the more centrist clinton wing. it's also a problem for debbie. >> debbie wasserman-shulchultz,n she survive this? >> i don't think so. this has to be the last straw. the obvious bias that was there. maybe not manifested in e-mails but -- >> problem with removing debbie wasserman-schultz, you're in the middle of a presidential election psycycle. if you're going to remove the chairperson of the national
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party, you have to replace her with someone who instills instant confidence that the wheels aren't going to fly off the bus because the leader is gone. >> and so much confidence it's worth the uproar that will be caused. >> they could give it to bernie sanders. >> governor rendell, governor howard dean, where are you? >> by the way, let's make a note that the great marcia fudge, congresswoman from the former warrentown heights, ohio, mayor is going to gavel in the convention, one of the duties that has been taken away from debbie wasserman-schultz. she will be gaveling in the convention. that is sort of a healing move. now, it might help them if they went to somebody who didn't endorse anyone, hillary clinton or bernie sanders. though that might be hard to find. jonathan capehart, and my panel, thank you for being here. i will be back. more, more, more television with
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