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the democratic nominee is facing a major trust deficit. only 37 pktt of voters consider her trust worthy. on top of that, the country seems polarized. hillary clinton says america needs more love and kindness. whose suggestion will prevail this november? comedian bill maher is joining me, he is hosting four special episodes all live during the republican and democratic conventions that air wednesday and thursday nights. i like having you hear i can ask you the toughest questions. if you had to explain this to someone you know living overseas, what would you say is going on in this country for racial issues right now. >> it depends on the country from the person that i was talking to. some don't have a racial problem like we do. they don't have history of
slavery like we do. we never got race right in this country. it's the original sin, a fault line that we have tried to cover up. every time something racial happens they watch the documentary on oj simpson. every white person in america was like he is guilty, no jury can find him anything but guilty. and we were all surprised. but black folks, for one time a black guy beat the system after the system had beaten black folk sos many times. that's the beginning of it. when it comes to police, there is never any excuse for what happened. for shooting a policeman, we condemn that. no and, ifs, or buts. i don't condone it, but --
>> you understand that guy? >> yes, how many videos can you see, how many years can go by when this is going on and black people are brutally assaulted. the last one, the guy was on the ground, and i'm surprised somebody did not fire back sooner. >> what do you think of these motives -- i think the motive differs in every case, but what do you think causes all of this. i see a common nature. a white police officer kills a black person apparently without justification. >> i interviewed a policeman once, and he said when i worked in the black neighbor, i hated all black people, in the latino neighborhood, i hated all the latino. and in san bernardino, i hated all of the white people. you're a policeman, you deal
with criminals. there is some of that. there is also something very wrong with police culture. once again, we're not indicting all of the police. certainly without the police, this country would look like the movie "the purge." every night. >> one thing they caught us in the short training we had is when you go to approach a stopped car for a traffic violation, you never stand directly next to the driver's seat. you don't stand there at the window. you can get plugged in the symptomage. you go in side ways. police are worried if they stop anyone about who is in that car. >> but it is a dangerous job. there is statistics on this. i don't think it cracks the top ten for how many deaths. i think cab drivers are killed
more, electricians, fisherman. it is a dangerous job. you're not constricted into it. the answer for when you feel nervous about your life can't be right away to shoot. it seems like it happens too much. is it most cops, probably not, but it is way too many. it gets on film a lot. >> you see the guy running across the field, 100 yards away, that is not self defense, that's not nervousness, are we missing something in the tape? >> i don't think you're missing anything in that tape, or in the rodney king tape. no matter what he was doing, once you have him on the ground and you have six guys whaling on him with batons that cannot be justified. >> what about the choke hold guy? >> yeah, this is a job you volunteered for. it says protect and serve on the side of the car.
that is to protect and serve us, not you. we're not protecting you. you have to understand that yeah, there is an element of danger in this job, and you have to accept that if you want to do it. i think most policemen like their job. yes there is danger in it, and there is a lot of perks, you know? >> this weekend donald trump tweeted "look at what is happening to our country under the weak leadership of obama and people like crooked hillary. do you think the president at any given time has influence on the very immediate situations of black and white? do you think the present leadership does anything to forestall this kind of snth. >> i don't think he can forestall them but i think she good at talking about them and about racial issues. there are black folks on one side that say he doesn't do it enough. people like cornell west. and michael eric dyson. but of course, we know what the
right wing thinks, he is an illegitimate person because he is black. >> i think he is being seen as a overall leader and he doesn't want to be a sectarian. >> but as much as a president can calm the nation, he is calm. all of these people who think donald trump will be great for their pocketbook because he is rish, he will be horrible for their pocketbook. he is the opposite of calm. he is walking volatility. they pretend they don't like obama because she is a democrat and a socialist and all of that. he was great for the stock market because he is calm. >> live like a republican, built like a democrat. >> donald trump called himself
the law and order candidate this week, let's watch him. >> too many americans are trapped in fear, violence, and poverty. we must maintain law and order at the highest level or we will cease to have a country 100%. we will cease to have country. i am the law and order candidate. >> that's what nixon said in '68. >> do you think he is taking sides there? >> it is a fact free assessment this country, crime has been down the last 10 or 20 years. that's not what it looks like on the evening news, but when it leads, it leads. >> that crime is way down. >> of course, but that's not what the media likes, they like sensationalism. things are probably better, and they are shown to be better.
but that's not how you win votes. trump can only win by scaring people. >> but if you kids in new york like i do. >> rudy rudy giuliani said blac parents should teach their kids to respect police. >> republicans wonder why they don't get the votes of minorities when they make comments like that. black lives matter is not inherently racist. black lives should matter and when they see them being gunned down in the street, when they're not deserving of that, is it not obvious that some movement had to ride up to protest against that? >> newt gingrich, who is on his
best behavior said it's more dan dangerous to be black in america, but also because of the police. >> he wants to be vice president, but i don't think that is going to happen. these republicans, like donald trump and many of them are appalled even though they're sort of getting behind him. they spent all of these decades pursuing a strategy of race baiting and antilecturism. we have people who have followed b bad strike that give before. it would just be government by snit. every day would be about tweeting and getting even with people who didn't do exactly what they wanted. >> do you think his call that
obama was somehow the product of a strange, personal conspiracy by his mother that he was a white american woman from kansas and he went over to kenya to have his baby and he married an african guy that would not be around there. and she got the papers that he was born in hawaii, and then gave him the name barack hussein obama. there could not be anybody that believes it. >> this is the issue that i was making fun of him about, it is why he sued me. >> it's incredible if you talk it through. >> i know they hate to hear this, the one thing they theet hear, and. >> fred: you're racist and you're looking for a political party, this is the obvious choice. >> but it is not just trump if you watch the republican debates, they all follow this
script of restore america. i want my country back. it is subtle, but it's not even that subtle. they talk about obama and his presidency as if it just never even existed. to me there is something racist there. like we have to put america back to work. yeah, we did that. that actually happened. we put america back to work. we didn't deplete the military. >> you know, my explanation for birtherism, he is playing to people that somehow believe you can put an asterisk next to president obama. you go through all of the pictures to john adams and all of the way through, they all look white, and then you get to this guy and they want to be able to say like -- >> they don't like the idea of a black family in the white house. they can do it any way they
want, but it did not go down well with them. and this is their answer to that. he really wasn't president, and of course they were hoping that he would be a terrible failure because then it would never happen again. bush, to his credit, today here in office and said we want you to succeed. that was not the attitude of most republicans and i'm sure they hated the fact that history will judge this presidency as having succeeded. >> i think he will be in the top couple tiers. >> i think so too. >> we'll have more with bill maher after this. who gets more hysterical than lady donald trump saying mexican rapist everywhere. we must build a giant wall.
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ready for hillary, to perfectly capulize how i feel about her. >> i spent my entire freshman year of high school stuffed in a locker. mirrors don't show my reflection. >> we're back with bill maher who has had a busy year. the race now comes down to a choice between donald trump and hillary clinton. 39% of the country says they're independent now. the highest percentage of people. >> that's a myth. there are no independents any more. they -- they're usually right-leaning independents. >> i think they have a side, they don't want to admit it.
bill o o reilly says she independei -- he always votes republican. >> the last time, wen da wilky, but a big crowd in the galleries he won it. >> you don't remember that. >> i've been told. >> i remember as a kid, 1968, in chicago. >> i wasn't there, but i never missed a minute of it. >> that kind of drama is the drama we're facing. >> my upgle walter said get some sleep, i'll be back in the morning. let's talk about trump. he has cleveland, monday through thursday, what is he going to do for excitement?
>> it is not his problem, it's the opposite. >> how does he make it a compelling bit of political filter. according to some people they're not happy with this nominee. they feel like she a zombie candidate. they don't want to ride him. i think the best thing the republicans can do it punt. the only way they will win in november is to lose. it's not the worst thing in the world to have hillary clinton for four years. they can kick. in defense, they have a great defense. they block legislation. they're obstructionists. let her have the ball. she is not that horrible to them when you think about it. she is not a far-left person. she is a centrist. >> do you worry she may be far right on some issues like war?
>> he's too much of a hawk for my taste, absolutely. i don't blame her as much as other people do for the iraq vote. i think people forget that was a vote to give george bush a badge and a gun. it wasn't go ahead and go in there shooting and blazing. and also, you know, we had just been attacked and blah blah blah. wrong country, a little thing like, but she too hawkish. that was great to have bernie sanders in the race, you at least had a voice in the debate saying we should not be in all of these countries. the president talks about how, if you say the wrong words when you're referring to islamic terrorism, that's is what will stir up trouble. >> how do you explain what happened? >> it's probably droning, droning causing more of the hatred around the world. and i'll not even sure that
program is worth it. i don't know if that doesn't create more terrorists that we're wiping out. >> he prefers droning to battlefield war. >> of course. >> do you? >> i always thought we have to do something, we can't do nothing. troops on the ground fighting leek in iraq was extremely stupid. but i don't know any more. i read an article last week, we don't know how many people we're killing. and when ever there is a terrorist attack, what is the person saying? what did the guy in orlando say? what did the bombers in boston say? they all say get out of muslim lands. stop bombing muslim people. is it the language or the bombs dropping from the drones that are the problem. >> you wonder about all of these years since the first iraq war, we have been killing muslim
people on international terrorism. >> and we have been saving many, on behalf of them. >> that is the argument. >> yeah. but look, we would just probably be better off to fwhot so involved. the obama administration was no new wars. i wish we could have gotten out of the ones we were in faster and more completely, but he didn't ramp up, and they were trying to egg him on to go to syria. >> hillary wanted us to go to iraq, she didn't come back and say why did he use the authorization, i'm so sorry he did it. you can argue that after the fact. she also supported getting in along with the other two people for getting us into libya, and she seemed to want to take out assad. >> women have patterns in the modern era when they get to be
presidents of countries of being hawkish. they have to burnish their macho credentials. >> are you profiling here? >> i'm just observing. >> is it always true? >> may in britain -- >> we'll see, i don't know anything about her yet, but -- >> i'm thinking of the hawks. >> i'm just saying, women are looked at, there is a suspicion from the men, are you tough enough? what we really need is what women are, more cooperative, and i think she will be that, too. and more kindness and -- >> reagan showed toughness with the, what was it called, the air traffic controllers -- that was his way, it worked. i heard when i worked word got back to russia they were impressed. they liked that stuff. >> i'm sure, lots of people in this country were impressed.
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there is enormous frustration by the american people. people us us to talk about their lives and our issues, not spend our whole lives attacking our opponents. >> i'm back with bill maher. he interviewed senator sanders in may before the california primary. what do you make of senator sanders? he won't make the sweet deal -- >> i object that to that, that is ageism. i don't know why we assume that someone 78 is over the hill. there are places in the blue zones where people routinely live to be 100 and over. people now, we're both over 35, just on this issue -- you know who should be in the race?
jerry brown. >> he is great. >> exactly, but why doesn't he? ageism. people think -- >> he is term limited now. >> in national politics. he has done so much to turn around california. >> you're making a point, you won the argument. >> jerry brown -- >> we're all individuals. some people are very, very there and completely together at 80 and some people aren't. reagan was in office, and he wasn't. sorry, that is the truth. >> he is also taking criticism for his nickname for senator warn. >> hillary clinton has somebody, did you ever hear pocohontas elizabeth warren. she said because her cheekbones are high, she was indians. people like her, total failures. >> i'm just so fired of that voice. >> the first time i heard it it
was funny, and it lost a lot of value. >> we did a piece on our show, i'm so tired of the two standards in this election. that he can get away with all of this stuff and hillary clinton cannot. we showed tapes of other people did. trump, what he does, are you crazy? that stuff, that would knock anyone else out of the race. >> so you think it was nefarious. >> i'm just saying everybody before trump had to play by one set of rules and he is playing by a different set of rules. calling mccain not a war hero. the thing with the mexican judge, trump university. >> everybody thinks that is against him, it's a negative. >> what about exploiting the
veterans and not giving the money he promised for charity. if hillary clinton did that she would be out of the race tomorrow. there is a completely different set of standards for this man. i said a long time ago, i'm glad this election is going on for a long time. we have seen britain -- >> let's findout it is close. we have a poll that shows in a four-way race. gary johnson getting perhaps close to ten. hillary clinton and donald trump are even by 39. look at this, hillary clinton, the reason i think is this. she talked about her trust deaf swit voters. >> a lot of people tell pollsters they don't trust me. i don't like hearing that, and i thought a lot about what is behind it. maybe we can persuade people to change their minds by marshaling facts and making remarks to rebut negative attacks.
you can't just talk someone into trusting you, you have to earn it. so yes, i could say that the reason i sometimes sound careful with my words is not that i'm hiding something, it's just that i'm careful with my words. >> what do you think? >> it's a hard thing, for her, to explain why you're not credible to people. when you're running for president. >> but it is also true she has been demonized more than anyone else from the entire quarter century. for the e-mails, i think mostly what that is is an elderly person, and again, we're not bashing the elderly here. >> running for reelection. >> but as far as technology goes, they're not great at it, i'm not great at it. i think she didn't understand that much. >> you really think that is the reason? >> i think the important thing is what was the intent with the
e-mail? was it something nefarious? of course it wasn't. most of the people in the state president used a private server because the government server was not efficient. she needed a private server to get their work done. they don't hate the government, they want to get it done. she needed something that worked. >> that is pretty good. i don't believe it, but -- >> you don't believe it? you think something nebraska fa -- nefarious was going on? >> she had just run for president. she had personal contacts with tens of thousands of people in the country. she wanted to keep the army together, keep it in contact, help people it get their kids in scoops, stay on touch on holidays. she had to maintain a political network that was nationwide. she want today keep it all separate. but the law is the law, and i'm just laurening it.
and why is everyone in hollywood so unnuanced. every time we get a hollywood person on, they're very liberal and occasionally conservative. >> you're not talking about me? >> i'm just raising the question -- >> if anyone is telling liberals they have spinach at their teeth, so don't throw that at me. >> can i say one more thing about this? if you look at all of the issues -- >> and you always took this position with the e-mails and you never thought there was a problem? >> i think there is a little more of a problem than i thought to begin with, but i still don't think it is a giant issue. if you look at all of the issues that animate the right wing, voter fraud, planned parenthood, building a wall, what do they value in common? they're imaginary. they're not real. they don't affect anyone's rights, they're not actual
issues. >> this is where db i don't want to say both sides are guilty, it sounds too easy. somewhere in all of the benghazi stuff, hillary clinton is very smart, very good on the law. if she said let me explain what i did the minute i heard chris stevens, my friend, was in trouble. i went to the army, the cia, all of the forces we had available to us, and i followed it hour by hour until we heard he was definitely gone, he was killed. i made a point of do everything i could. when you watch the hearings, they never said what did you do at this minute? they never asked her the questions to get that kind of narrative. all they wanted to hear is that she did her best. and the republicans never gave her a chance to show she did her best. it wasn't very helpful, the whole thing. >> no one got to say that chris
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suggesting that the dnc favored hillary clinton over bernie sanders in the primary. the president is coming to the last sixth months in office. now as president, that means doing some things just for fun now that it's the end like, i don't know, legalize pot. but beyonce on the nickel. invite rupul to take a transgender leap in the rose garden. dimension legalize pot. >>. >> that is yours, you own that? >> yes, people tried to rip it off, but they can't. >> welcome back to "hardball ". more than 320,000 people signed a petition for president obama
to appear on "realtime." he says many of es prushl him spreading the science on climate change and try burst the bubble. >> let me ask, i'm pretty much pr pro-obama, what would you like for him to get done. >> legalizing pot would be great. >> nationwide? >> he can't do it single handedly, but he could come out strongly for it, and he should. he was a pot head himself. >> he used? >> he was a pot head, he will tell you that? he will tell you. >> the chume gang. >> so it didn't kill his ambition. >> if he had been convicted when
he was young, he would not be president. if you convicted of just smoking pot, you can find yourself not able to get into a college, not get housing. lots of stuff, problems with your kids. that would be a great last thing for him to do. i'm sure as he goes down that list of stupid things in america, let's open up cuba, let's have a climate deal, let's get a nuclear deal with iran -- these are the kind of things that he just seems to be checking off. that one is a no brainer. but he has an attorney general who is very very very much against legalizing pot which is a shame. >> what would you like to do, for his legacy. the danger of his very sting
like a butterfly, sting like a bee, he has been very good at that. he knows how to sting the guy and then pull back. does he risk getting pulled into the mud by trump? >> no, she too smart for that, nobody gets down on trump's level. he fights in a completely unique way. he never lost his inner believe from childhood. >> lying ted, crooked hillary, branding people. >> low energy. just saying things that makes people nervous about themselves. when he talked about kasich eating. or talking about menstrual cycles, all of this kind of stuff -- this is the high school bully. he never lost that. and it is very effective. >> let's talk about something we
grew up with, sexual orientation. i was watching a movie the other night, they could still tell jokes about people being gay. that is gone. there is no joke there any more. the set up doesn't work. people don't have that hostility or discomfort. what do you think about the pope saying that the catholic church owes an apology to gay people? >> on catholic doctrine, he is right down the line, but at least he makes this much of an effort. i will always love that he lectured the republicans on climate change. he is the pope, he doesn't have to address this issue, but he took it upon himself because he is smart, and he saidly put it
on my agenda. >> it's sort of pro life when you think about it. is saves the live of our species and every other being on the planet. >> but for the pope, the grant master flash of ancient fai fairytales? >> what does that mean? >> it's an insult to religion, i don't want to -- >> that's your beat. >> but to lecture republicans on what is getting real. it doesn't work. >> why is climate, you know, in real terms, it's not just the mountain, that's yam beach is like five feet above sea level now. it's going to be venice. islands are disappearing. it's not a theory any more. >> and how about the fact that
the pentagon has been on this page for the better part of a decade. they have been saying this is a national security issue. the republicans in congress told them don't tell us that. >> why are they afraid of science? >> i think the main reason is they get contributions from people like the koch brothers. they don't want to believe it because they only have $ 80 billion, what if they don't make more money. >> i don't understand rich people and climate. you can't have private air. you just can't. and you can't escape all of this toxicity in the water and food supply. it will get you all. don't they connect the dots between the toxicity prevading the atmosphere, and the sickness they must see around them, in themselves, their family, the rates of cancer? in america in general, we cause
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all right. and we better get smart and tough. >> the muslims are the ones that have to report them. if they don't report them, there has to be con consequences to them. >> hillary clinton's reaction to terror was called weak. and he criticized democrats and others for not using the term "radical islamic terrorism." they think they have obama on the hook there. >> here is the thing. i think the question we have to ask is can you defeat radical islamic terrorism. without reforming the religion itself. that is a question i think americans need to ask themselves.
i would say no, you have to reform religion itself before you get to the war on terror. you can't reform the religion if you can't talk about it, be honest about it, every time someone says islamphobia, they give coverage for those that want to live in the 21st century as opposed to those that want to live in the 7th century. we have to come down with the people who want our values. he is a fascist. the answer is not to ban all muslims, like when they elected a muslim mayor of london. when muslims are in places like that, they have to speak out plainly and come out plainly for the values that we all share. separation of church and state, equality for women, freedom of
speech. these are not always right in the muslim world. >> what about the argument about the language. radical islamic terrorism. democrats don't want to use the phrase, trump say it's is for a murky reason. >> i have been saying this for a long time, if there is an attack in the month before the election, i think it will probably help donald trump. we saw that -- >> what do you think the odds are -- >> i don't to scare people, out of ten? >> people say this to me all of the time, can he win? yes. i want people to be very scared until november 8th. don't get complacent. anything can happen in this
country. people have dumb ideas about what makes -- as long as they believe that anything is possible. a terrorist attack could help them, and they don't like hillary either, so it is always possible. the zombies are in the mall, go out and vote. it's not in the bag, it's not 2 out of ten, say 5 out of ten. >> 50/50. >> i don't believe it, but i want to tell people that so they are scared, chris. >> what do you really think? >> one in ten? >> i think it is higher than that, it is tough because of the demographics, and the more people see him, the more they hate him. for obvious reasons, he is ahornet. >> but he is out, and hillary is in. >> and he is an insane racism in orange great paint. and the more people see it, we're not a country that is
we can challenge this man and hopefully. i don't want him to get hurt, but i would like to see some fisticuffs on the floor. shut me up now. >> bill maher, thank you so much. >> a pleasure. election year 2016, a political year without precedent. a class of political titans. >> i call her crooked hillary. >> donald trump is tempermentally unfit to be president. a campaign fuelled by anger. >> they're saying what happened to my america? she is the ultimate politician. >> he used the art of the deal to build his work empire. >> i look at