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michelle asked for chocolate doughnuts and got ten boxes. >> what did you learn? >> i learned i'm going to eat this chocolate doughnut. >> i learned no matter your politics, history tonight as hillary clinton becomes the first woman to accept the nomination. >> and i learned that jose diaz velarde picks up the coverage right now. have a great day, everybody. and good thursday morning once again from independence mall. i'm jose diaz velarde. we have arrived at the grand finale of the democratic national convention. hillary clinton preparing for the biggest speech of her life. she'll accept the party's presidential nomination and lay out her vision for the future in just a couple hours. and this morning, the tort has officially been passed. barack obama, the nation's first black president, embracing his one-time rival, who could be the nation's first female president. the president trademarking clinton as his rightful
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political heir. but the president and vice president delivered a one-two punch to republican donald trump. >> the threats are too great. the times are too uncertain. to let donald trump as president of the united states. >> the donald is not really a plans guy. >> this guy doesn't have a clue about the middle class. >> he's not really a facts guy, either. >> only one person in this election who will help you. >> i ask you to do for hillary clinton what you did for me. >> she's always there! she's always been there! >> i ask you to carry her the same way you carried me. >> god willing, hillary clinton will write the next chapter. >> there has never been a man or a woman, not me, not bill, nobody, more qualified than
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hillary clinton to serve as president of the united states of america. the president and vice president overshadowing at times the newly minted vice presidential nominee. introducing himself to america, senator tim kaine offered an opening to republicans unhappy with their nominee. >> any party that would nominate donald trump for president has moved too far away from his party of lincoln! and i tell you, if any of you are looking for that party of lincoln, we've got a home for you right here in the democratic party! >> a lot to talk about this morning, including the big speech tonight from hillary clinton. with me here in philadelphia, chris jansing and steve kornacki, along with nbc senior political editor, mark murray. friends, thank you for being with me. steve, let me start with you. what struck out at you yesterday during this day of sometimes really emotional speeches?
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>> yeah. i thought actually joe biden's speech probably stood out the most to me. it was a -- an impassioned speech. i think by his standards, a little more concise than we're used to. but he really had a message he wanted to deliver about the middle class. a message aimed at working class voters. and i think that's something, as i was listening to the speech, it struck me, it was wednesday night, after 9:00. and it was the first time we had really seen a featured speech at this convention this week, going after those blue collar voters. and some of the polling out this week that shows donald trump polling, even with even slightly ahead of hillary clinton. what he's doing it with, blue collar, white voters. big numbers with him, bigger than we have seen from republicans. so there is a weak spot there for democrats and i think joe biden might have started to address that. >> do you think that it was, steve, unusual, that he was really the only one addressing that? >> yeah. i mean, i think it's -- this is the party. if you go way back, if you're going back a couple generations, fdr's party, the new deal party, this was all about economic populism, all about getting
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union voters, getting working class voters. i think the first two nights, there were a lot of messages about sort of social liberalism, social activism, a newer generation of democrats that are coming up. they're motivated, it seems, more by those issues. but you think of those older blue collar voters in a pennsylvania-ohio states, critical states where trump is running pretty well by now. joe biden speaking to them. >> and president obama was really in his element last night. he can deliver a speech like very few politicians can. he was really, i think, effective at talking about donald trump, someone who he says is not even really a republican. let's listen to some of this. >> does anyone really believe that a guy who spent his seven yea 720 years on this earth who showed no regard for working people is suddenly going to be your champion, your voice? if so, you should vote for him.
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if you want someone with a life-long track record of fighting for better wages and a bigger voice for workers and stronger regulations on wall street, then you should vote for hillary clinton. >> so you think it's going to be more effective to separate trump from the republican party, or make trump the republican party? >> well, you know, it's interesting. i think the point that a lot of democrats have been making, and we heard it from the president, as well, that this is not the republican party. you heard what tim kaine said. so far away from the party of lincoln. what they're saying is, we can be respectful of each other and disagree. this guy is just off the reservation. he's off of any reservation that politics knows. that's what they want to push. and they also want to push, and i think steve hit on a key point here. when you look at the states that are really going to be contested, like ohio, no republican is going to win the presidency without winning ohio, the trump organization sees an opening with those white working class voters, the traditional union voters, the families of
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those voters, who whether or not they're still in unions, still feel that draw, but also who have not felt the effects of this recovery. that's something that the clinton camp knows. they know they're going to have to fight back against that and that's a lot of what you heard last night. >> the president in the sound bite we heard there is talking, if you really believe he is of champion of the working people, you're wrong. interesting that they would have to -- the democrats, kind of point that out. >> absolutely. because that has been their core constituency for so many years, and as we have seen, sort of the decline of unions. we have seen the fight for working class. and i think one of the really interesting things here too is that it also speaks to some of the suspicion of hillary clinton. does she really mean it. so you had bernie sanders, who attracted a lot of people with his $15 minimum wage, and it took a big push and shove, almost, for hillary clinton to get on board for the platform committee to get on board with that. and so there are still those voters who they know that people like bernie sanders have talked
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about it aren't convinced that hillary clinton is going to do it. in spite of the fact that donald trump has been all over the place. now he's, what, for a $10 minimum wage? we're not sure. >> a couple different positions. >> and bring in the tpp issue, which, by the way, we saw a lot of signs up, no tpp yesterday. mark, looking at the contrast between last night and what we saw in cleveland last week, what do you think of the strategies here? >> yeah, jose. after trump concluded his remarks last night, it was very clear that republicans last week in cleveland made a fundamental mistake, really not channelling a nod at the hope and optimism, that you usually have, particularly for winning campaigns and candidacies. last night, many republican commentators and operativeses ended up saying it was obama who grabbed the mantle of ronald reagan and republicans did not. they abandoned that. that donald trump's remarks were not the hopeful, cheery, reagan
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optimism or even the george w. bush compass natt conservatism. and that gave barack obama to seize that and have a contrast with republicans. and it is typical, in my experience, covering american politics that usually the more cheerful, the party that is smiling, the candidate smiling, is one that typically wins. >> and interesting, mark. you know, i guess if you're tim kaine and you want to introduce yourself to the majority of the united states people, it's not good to be sandwiched between joe biden and barack obama. i mean, it's just like -- how do you get your message out there when you have, you know, pretty good speakers before and after you, but he did have some kind of memorable lines. and i want to go through some of them. let's listen to some. >> my son nat deployed with his marine battalion just two days ago.
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he deployed overseas to protect and defend the very nato allies that donald trump says he now wants to abandon. >> how effective do you think he was? >> jose, you're absolutely right that it's almost mission impossible to be sandwiched between vice president joe biden and president barack obama. and that was the whole convention organizer's plan. tim kaine was really never featured to dominate wednesday night. but where i do think he was able to be effective, at least on the tv screen, was just kind of your average joe, smiling guy. very different than joe biden. but really kind of tapping into that suburban dad ethos. so many people on twitter last night were saying, having this suburban dad meme for him. but essentially, tim kaine, when i've seen him since 2005, when he won the gubernatorial election in virginia and also when he won the senate race in 2012, is that tim kaine is someone who almost kind of kills you politically with kindness
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and tim kaine was really starting to draw himself as that smiling candidate, a little corny, maybe a little hokey, but somebody who can be able to get in a different type of attack on donald trump. >> and steve, i think that one of the things that clearly the clinton camp thinks he can be helpful with is the latino community. i mean, you know, right after the announcement where he spoke spanish, he gives that one interview with hillary clinton on "60 minutes" but then the next interview he gives is on spanish language tv and yesterday sprinkled in his speech was spanish and talking about what he learned in some of the lessons he learned. >> and in particular, keep in mind, last night we're in philadelphia. but when they announced tim kaine as the vp, where did they hold the rally? >> miami. >> when we look at the electoral college scenarios, we can talk about donald trump being very competitive in the rust belt, real shot in ohio, real shot in pennsylvania. even if donald trump has a lot of success in the rust belt, it is really hard to look at that map and see him getting to 270 if he can't get florida. and so i think that's part of
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the thinking for democrats here. to have tim kaine down there giving the kinds of interviews you're talking about throughout the fall, spanish language media in florida. >> so you think, chris jansing, we'll be hearing a lot more from tim kaine in he is upon o? >> i don't think there is any doubt about that. and, look, you cannot -- you cannot see a path for a republican without winning florida. and already, you have the obvious with donald trump. which is i'm going to build this great big beautiful wall, i'm going to deport 11 million people. we're going to keep muslims out of the country. i mean, all of those things, and yet i think there is still a way for tim kaine to be used in very particular ways, and i think the spanish language is going to be very strong for him. look, i've had hispanics say to me, including people who lead groups, i think it's disingenuous to think that just because somebody speaks spanish, we're going to support them. but there is that connection that he is able to make in certain parts of the country. >> chris jansing, steve kornacki and mark murray, thank you for
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being with me this morning. appreciate your time. and coming up, donald trump's campaign does damage control as a republican nominee tries to walk back his call on russian to find hillary clinton's e-mail. he asked russia to do that. but first, president obama takes on donald trump's convention declaration that he alone can fix the country's problems. >> we're not a fragile people. we're not a frightful people. our power doesn't come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. we don't look to be ruled. [ cheers and applause ] our power -- our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in philadelphia all those years ago. we hold these truths to be self-evident. that all men are created equal.
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he asked the russians to interfere in american politics. it is inconceivable to me that any presidential candidate would be that irresponsible. >> donald trump calls himself the law and order candidate. that's not law and order. that's criminal intent. >> donald trump's extraordinary call on russia to find hillary clinton's deleted e-mails drew a is series of blistering attacks on the floor of the democratic convention.
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but this morning, he's walking that back. >> when i'm being sarcastic -- >> you're being sarcastic? >> of course i'm being sarcastic. but you have 33,000 e-mails deleted and the real problem is what was said on those e-mails. you take a look at what was said on these e-mails, it's disgraceful. >> yesterday when our katy tur asked trump to reconsider what he was saying, here's what he told her. >> reporter: do you have any qualms about asking a foreign government, russia, china, anybody, to interfere, to hack into a system of anybody in this country? >> it's up to the president. let the president talk to them. >> does not that give you pause? >> no, it gives me no pause. >> let me bring in congressman adam schiff, ranking member of the house intelligence committee. great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> what's your reaction to all of this? >> i think it's just astounding that you have a major presidential candidate, one of the nominees of the parties,
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calling on a foreign power to hack into his opponent's campaign. i don't believe for a minute that he said that in jest or sarcastically. he fully meant it. then doubled down on it and now is trying to back off on it. the reality is, you never know where the guy stands. and i think this is the problem when you nominate a reality tv performer to be president. >> now what he is calling for is for the russians to find something that was already deleted, and that i guess the fbi wasn't able to pick up, right? >> yes. and the way the federal system works, you're allowed as a federal employee to remove your own personal e-mails. every federal ploe, not just the secretary of state, every employee has the ability and responsibility of separating their work and nonwork e-mails. >> what is personal e-mail and what isn't, though. >> the federal employee themselves is entrusted with that responsibility. >> do you think the russians did this? >> well, i can't speak to any of the classified briefings we've had. but the russians certainly have
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the means. they're one of the most capable cyber actors in the world. they are a history, particularly their adversaries, and here they have such a clear motivation. here in trump, they have a candidate who belittles nato, says he made an honor the security to the baltics. says he may support a repeal of the sanction on russia. >> who has expressed admiration for russia in the past. >> absolutely he has. and it's astounding. >> aren't the russians the same people that kind of went into the state department, went into even some of the lesser, you know, high classifications at the white house some time ago? >> i think all i'm permitted to say at this point is what the director of national intelligence said, there is a history of russia hacking both to our official agencies, as well as -- >> i'm wondering, congressman, is there a possibility of the famous reset button with russia?
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can you reset relations with a government that is hellbent on doing things like what possibly they did? >> no. i don't think you can. you certainly can't while putin is in power. that's just not his nature. and i think bush made the mistake of thinking he could look into putin's eyes and see his soul. >> was it a mistake for hillary clinton to press that reset button on russia? >> it wasn't a mistake to try and i think she recognized very early on, he wasn't interested in resetting the relations and it's even more apparent now. i think the only thing you can do with russia is demonstrate strength. push back hard, let putin know there will be a cost for his foreign aggression. and this is exactly the opposite of what trump is doing. what he is doing is encouraging this kind of -- >> what kind of cost should there be for -- you know, invading parts of ukraine for trying to destable countries, for supporting the dictatorship in syria and so many other things. >> well, in ukraine, i think we have had a more forceful response. i think we should have been
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providing defensive weapons to ukraine. we made a commitment to ukraine, as did russia, that if they disarmed, they got rid of their nuclear weapons when the soviet union broke part, we would defend their territorial integrity, ensure it. so i would like to see more robust economic support. i would like to see stronger economic sanctions against russia. i would like to see defensive weapons for ukraine. >> promise europeans won't go for that. >> it's hard, although secretary clinton has a history of being able to build strong international coalitions. >> what a pleasure to see you. thank you for your time. >> great to see you. coming up, dejavu all over again. chelsea clinton, a former first daughter we all watched come of age in the white house, returns to the stage tonight. chelsea in an exclusive interview about tonight's speech, and more. >> there is so much discussion about what your dad would be called if your mom becomes the
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looking at my mom, i think it's going to be overwhelming. >> you're going to set the table in a way for the most important speech of her life. what do you want to say about her? that people don't know chelsea, because your mom, your dad, your family, they have been in the public eye for decades. what don't we know? >> well, i hope to convey even just a small sense of why i am so proud and grateful to be her daughter. why i am grateful for the example she set for me as a mom. you know, i hope that people will just get a sense of why i'm so proud to be standing -- >> so it's going to be a deeply personal speech. this is not going to be a speech that's going to try to separate her from donald trump? >> no, i mean, i'm going to talk as her daughter. i'm an only child, so it's a unique position that i have. and i just hope that people understand even a little more when i'm done than when i started about why i love her so much and admire her so much. >> you know your mom as well as anyone. and yet you hear the things that are said about her all of the
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time. lack of trust. people have very negative comments. her negative ratings are high. there has to be a disconnect in your mind between the person you know. how do you explain the disconnect? >> well, it is such a disconnect, because, you know, what you were just saying kind of what we heard last week in cleveland, that's not the person that i know. that's not the person that i grew up with, that i'm so proud to stand beside and to introduce here in philadelphia. >> meanwhile, president obama draws a stark contrast between convention. he lays out his most forceful argument yet that donald trump's portrayal of the nation is unprecedented in its pessimism. >> we democrats have always had plenty of differences with the republican party. and there's nothing wrong with that. but what we heard in cleveland last week wasn't particularly republican. and it sure wasn't conservative. what we heard was a deeply
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surrogates like barack obama? >> absolutely. the president, one, for him i think there are two motivating factors. one, to help a fellow democrat get elected. actually, three, get a fellow democrat get elected. get this particular democrat elected, hillary clinton, a former rival he has come to admire and respect, having appointed her secretary of state. and then the third motivation is protecting his legacy, meaning protecting all of the gains that he has made in the eight years of the presidency. because his role in the campaign is to remind the base and independent voters that everything that they liked about his presidency, everything that he's been able to accomplish, could be basically overturned on january 20th, 2017. >> interesting, jonathan, someone with that kind of charisma, with that kind of power, to move people, president obama. how do you transfer that into hillary clinton? >> well, i mean, you try -- you
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send him into those places where the affection for him and admiration for him is high. so we're talking -- communities of color. you send him into big cities, you send him into the southern states, where the african-american vote is huge, and the only way that hillary clinton is going to win is if there are -- if the african-american and latino vote are huge. if they come out in big, big numbers. that's how she is going to win. that's where he will be of huge benefit. both he and the first lady -- and let's not forget vice president biden and senator kaine, dr. joe biden. she has a lot of people who can go into lots of different communities to make up the coalition that's going to push her into the white house. she hopes. >> but, you know, i would argue, jose, it's also a problem for her in that she cannot appear to be running for president obama's third term. >> why not? >> because over the course of history, two it terms of the president is typically seen as
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enough. it's very rare that a president -- >> this president has 50-plus. >> that's true. and everything that jonathan said is true. that he can target those constituencies that are still very receptive to him. but this is still a changed election for a lot of people. people looking for something else. that's why we saw the potency of the bernie sanders voters out there. we still do in that hall. yesterday they were still out there, they were yelling "no more war" at leon panetta. they are not done with this argument. there are people out there, even in the democratic party, who are not 100% behind hillary clinton. so she needs to make a case that yes, she's going to continue the best parts of the obama legacy, but she is her own candidate, she is her own woman and she's going to get out there and make the party better. make the country better. president obama said that in his address last night, said there are still things to be done here. we're not done, i didn't finish it. >> we're looking as we're speaking here, there's a walk-through of senators. >> elizabeth warren. >> tammy baldwin. these are the women democratic
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senators. barbara mikulski. cool. >> let me ask you a little bit -- beth, i guess i want your thoughts on this. our own joe -- on "morning joe," the "washington post" op-ed by joe scarborough, on a day when the national committee scheduled a long list of all-star speakers, six of the headlines were on the bizarre invitation to break into hillary clinton's e-mail accounts. i'm just wondering, is any publicity good publicity? >> that's always been trump's gamble. he did that so deliberately, ro rose. everybody's eyes have been out of philadelphia. so he jumped in. bam, had to grab the attention and sure did it with that suggestion that russia get involved and go after hillary clinton's e-mails. he did that so deliberately, knows how to play the media better than any candidate has.
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>> it's such a stark contrast than what we're seeing here. but what resonates with people in the long-term? >> i think what will resonate with people in the long-term is once we're into the general election, it's going to come down to do they like the person who has a lot of political baggage, but who is stable, who is sure and clear and is about moving forward, even inincremently or are they going to go with the person who seems erratic, irrational or some people might question whether he's crazy, loosely speaking. given a lot of the things that we have seen in this week. i mean, i thought -- i was doing a panel at ndi, lots of ambassadors to the united states who live in washington. and when we came off, someone said, did you hear the news, donald trump said russia should hack the state department so that they could get the rest of clinton's e-mails. i thought, wait. this isn't the onion? -- >> right. >> i think it's a cumulative
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effect of the sort of crazy headlines. >> yeah. on the other hand, some -- you know, there are some that say crazy is the establishment, right? so they'll always point that out. >> i would argue that was what may mayor bloomberg said last night, to go with the not crazy. >> thank you for being with us. great seeing you. after three days of milestone speeches from the country's reigning top democrats, hillary clinton takes the stage tonight to accept her historic nomination. so what does she need to say and how does she need to say it, carrying the torch forward? we're talking about that next, right here on msnbc. ♪ and these are the lungs. (boy) sorry. (dad) don't worry about it. (vo) at our house, we need things that are built to last.
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will reveal all the answers. >> we are the united states of america! our best days are ahead of us! >> trump he wants to run the nation like he's running his business? god help us. >> what's the difference between what i told you and what they said? how do you square it? is you can't. one is real, the other is made up. >> he's trying to tell us he cares about the middle class. give me a break! that's a bunch of malarkey! >> there has never been a man or a woman, not me, not bill, nobody, more qualified than hillary clinton to serve as president of the united states of america! >> that was a sampling of some of the more memorable speeches this week, all leading up to hillary clinton tonight. here with me is the deputy communications director for the
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clinton campaign. >> great to be here. >> thanks for being with me. talk about tonight. president obama's speech last night -- >> yes, was incredible. >> he was moved. >> it was such a powerful speech. >> how do you top something like that? >> you know, all week we've heard people talk about the hillary clinton they know. we've had people like president obama gave such a powerful speech last night about why hillary is his choice to be president of the united states. it was so powerful, because these are two people who began at rivals and then became allies and friends. he stood up and talked to her last night, and why she is the right choice for america at this moment. but tonight what we're going to hear is hillary tell her story in her own words. she's going to talk about her values. she's going to talk about the fights of her life. and, you know, she's going to harken back to the book she wrote as first lady. "it takes a village." and really lay out for americans her vision of this country. that we've got to reject fear. we've got to reject scynicism. we've got to stand together. >> and that's the theme of tonight, right? >> yes, yes. >> but i'm wondering, for someone -- and president obama, you know, referenced it.
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for someone who has been in public service and in the public eye, for 40 years, right? how do you try and reintroduce someone who has been introduced and reintroduced for 40 years! >> you know, we're not -- >> that's more than a generation. >> you know, we're not trying to reintroduce her. what we're trying to do is give people an insight into really what she has been fighting for for all of those 40 years. >> what haven't we been exposed to? >> you know, jose, it's interesting. i travel with hillary a lot. and i talk to a lot of people on the road about her. and you know, people know the big jobs that she's held representing this country. they know she served as secretary of state, she was first lady. but a lot of people, especially young americans, don't know about her life before that. they don't know that show started out her career in public service as a children's advocate. and the fights that she's taken on her entire life for american families. so we have spent this week having people who know her, who respect her, who have seen her work up close and personal, out there talking about the real
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difference she's made for them. >> i remember eight years ago, speaking with her on telemundo, in spanish. she doesn't speak spanish, but i asked her in spanish. and bringing up fact that 30 years ago, she was working with the latino community to register people. >> she was. >> but you know what, cristina, the people -- and you know the hispanic community is the fastest-growing community in the united states, youngest in the united states. what happened 30 years ago, not necessarily affects or impacts their lives. >> absolutely. so tonight you're going to hear her talk about the work she has done before, just so people know what she has always cared about. the fights she has taken on. she's going to be talking tonight about what's at stake in this election. and what she would do as president to make a real difference in people's lives. you know, latinos have so much at stake in this election. from immigration to health care to education. and she's going to be talking about what she really would do as president. >> so important you mentioned that latinos don't just care about one issue. >> yes. >> but that issue is of
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importance, and deep importance for them. and eight years ago, president obama promised immigration reform. here we are 2016, nothing like it. and as a matter of fact, the other side is talking about building a wall. so my question is, how do you get people to get behind a candidate who they think is part of the establishment that maybe has said they were going to do things and they just don't get it done? >> you know, i think it was really important, what president clinton said about her on tuesday night when he gave that really moving speech about who she is, and hillary known for all of these years. this is a person who is a change-maker. she takes on tough fights. she doesn't back away when you can't make exactly the progress you want. she has said it is her goal to get comprehensive immigration reform within the first 100 days she is president of the united states. this is someone who doesn't give up. she keeps fighting, keeps fighting. >> thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. >> good to see you. >> thank you. >> appreciate your time. final preps under way at the
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♪ some of the most powerful people in the country have taken their turn, pitching to the american people. hillary clinton should be the next president. tonight she gets her chance.
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congresswoman, great to see you. >> great to be here with you, jose. >> you have known her for a long, long time. tell me what you expect from her speech tonight. >> you know, i think it's really important tonight. i think blik started to try to do it the other night. i've known hillary since late '80s when we were both working political spouses. when we both made decisions to work, it was not the norm. so it was -- we both really cared about children. so we worked on policy issues in our respective states. she's also a very caring person. and whenever i've had a challenge or john has had a challenge, has been there. and i think people don't see that personal side of her. she's got to let people -- she's got to take the -- she's defensive sometimes. which she -- i can understand. it's rough living in the public eye. you but i think it's important people see that side of her. and bill clinton said, a side
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people will see never quit. >> how do you open up when 40 years you've had access to people and people have known you and seen what you do. >> you know, it's been interesting this week, because there is story after story of people who have stories like i do. i could give 25 of them when john was in intensive care and people thought he was going to die two years ago, she was the first person in intensive care, are you okay, do you need anything. i think she is becoming more comfortable. in the role of who she is and understands the importance of it. and it's up to people like me to help tell the story of the woman huh that i've known for three decades. >> one of the most passionate speeches came from vice president joe biden. here's part of what he said. let's listen. well, we don't have the sound. but among the things that he said is everybody knows she is smart. everybody knows she's tough.
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but i know she's passionate. how do you convince people that someone as passionate when they don't maybe sense that. >> well, i think you're going to see the passionate side of hillary clinton during this campaign. i mean, when she talks about children's issues, i remember she and john worked very closely on health care. and when it didn't work, neither of them gave up. she was as tenacious as any person. and that's why we have children's health insurance in this country. that was her tenacity. she's got to talk about it more, and trade. now she has personally promised me, she will be in michigan often. telling the story of how she will fight for -- against tpp, and for the american worker. and you know, i want to say this. it's going to be an issue in michigan. she is competitive. but i think that when the union worker hears her and they will believe her, and then they learn that donald trump opposed the auto bailout and he doesn't walk his talk, he talks a good game. but how many people don't
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realize, he's producing his shirts and his ties in china. >> very quickly. the -- this week when mcauliffe said, well, if there are some changes on tpp, she could end up supporting it. that's not someone who doesn't know her. that's not someone not close -- >> i'm also someone who knows her and i was furious at terry. i'm not going to mince words. i talked to john poe defendanto that night. and he put out a word. i've talked to john and others since then. and she has personally promised me she will be in the state and that she -- i couldn't support her. as much as i love her, if i thought for one minute she would do anything to support tpp, i wouldn't be supporting her. >> congresswoman, thank you very much for being with us. a pleasure to see you. >> same with you. celebrities have also come out for the dnc, delivering speeches and performances. coming up, i chat with actress rosie perez and why she sponsored hillary clinton all along.
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♪ broadway stars with their tribute song. recorded for the victims of the orlando shooting. just one of the star-studded moments of the convention so far. i had the pleasure of sitting down with one of the stars who participated in that tribute. actress rosie perez, who explained why she is with clinton. you've been a hillary supporter from the get-go. >> yes, i have. >> why? >> well, i believe in her platform. initially, i didn't believe what every component of her platform. but i ft that she was the right person to become our next president. and i appreciated bernie. i appreciated his point of view. but i'm also a realist, and i knew deep down in my heart that america was not ready for someone who had such deep
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socialist ideals. we're not a socialist country. that said, i think it has been fantastic, how he has pushed hillary. for instance, one of the issues i didn't totally agree with her was the $12 minimum wage. i even did a video for "fight for $15" and i believe bernie and supporters and surrogates pushed her to $15, and she's there now. and that's a democratic process. that's how it should be. you know, and that's the kind of president we should want to have in office. that listens to people. and says, you know what, you're right. she didn't cave. she took her time, she listened. and she said, you know what, you're right. let's shoot for the moon on this one. >> you told nbc latino that compared to how you grew up, hillary clinton grew up, even though she grew up middle class, it was like being a millionaire compared to how you grew up. and since the clintons left office, you know, they have made
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more than $100 million. do you think she can actually understand the plight of those that don't have the money or even the access to growth in this country? >> i do. and the reason why i do is that early in her career, you know, her degree could have afforded her any type of lifestyle, any type of career. and what she chose to do was fight for children. what she chose to do was fight for medical rights, medical benefits for all here in this country. what she chose to do was fight for women's rights. and she went out into the streets and met people and show they were living, how the need is out there in america and she's continued to do that. so, yes, i'm a child from the foster care system, from the child welfare system, from abject poverty. but yet she has met this person.
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she has met children who are experiencing that today, throughout her career. and so she does understand. yeah, she won't understand completely, you know. i mean, when i say i was poor, i mean, like, we were on the waiting list for the projects. so that's poor. you know. >> projects was something you looked forward to. >> yeah. >> conversation with rosie perez. and that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. thank you for the privilege of your time. my colleague, tamron hall, joins me right now. tamron. ♪ good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall, coming to you live from historic independence mall in philadelphia! on the final day of the democratic national convention. we are just steps away from independence hall where the

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