tv MSNBC - Democratic National Convention MSNBC July 28, 2016 11:00pm-12:01am PDT
here we are at the top of the hour, as we said it will now be 101 at least business days until americans go to the polls. we have debates to go. we have a campaign to go. we know our democratic nominee and other republican nominee. we have the most stark choice, i think it's fair to say that any of us can remember. >> we also have an unusual situation in terms of what is going to happen over the next several months. because this is the earliest that the convention has been
since 1960. and election day is always the same time. so what that means is we're about to have the longest general election since 1960. it's two months since the first presidential debate -- >> we can't really look at any other year and kind of predict how this is going to play out, right? because the conventions were early, there is all of this time left. one candidate is a former first lady and a former president who will become first gentleman if she wins. and then the other candidate is donald trump. we've never had anything like this before. >> nobody has ever been in the trump category. >> or her. >> or her. >> first woman, i mean, we just -- so we are uncharted waters. terra incognita, i mean, make up your cliche. >> i mean if osha gets wind of
that -- look at that? >> in cleveland, one of of the favorite things at the convention was to see the people whose job it was to stab the balloons. they seemed to be having much fun with it. in this case all the balloons lived. >> no balloons were harmed -- >> but they're piling up in a way i can't be certain there are not people in them. what are they doing -- >> this is a giant well of balloons. can't you just look at this forever? >> one other aspect of this, which is unusual is that hillary clinton, you may remember at the beginning of this primary elected not to do large events. remember? we had a lot of really large events over the course of this primary. i mean, bernie sanders turning up with over 30,000 people in his rallies. donald trump turned up with large numbers never quite the amount of numbers he tweeted. but really large numbers.
you think back to mobile, alabama, they really turned out large crowds. hillary clinton opted to do her listening style events and sort of round tables and her only sort of very small town halls. we very rarely over the course of this political cycle have seen her in a big room. and it's not where she does her best work at least by her own perception. so as president, you don't necessarily get to decide what size of room you speak to. but this is the kind of environment in which we expect to see her all that often. >> i'm glad that one of the guests brought her up. it was, because things matter, it was expertly staged. secretary clinton looked good. she looked in command of the room. all of those things that we talk about that matter in a television medium. also in fairness, we should point out it's been a long time, months since she held a full-month press conference of
any kind. senator, you know new jersey politics, and now the nominee knows the national politics. yet you are up against an enemy that no one has faced before, an opponent no one has seen the likes of before, does that unknown in this campaign ahead where i know you're willing to get out and campaign your fair share, does that unknown scare you at some level? >> yeah, has to be really concerned, donald trump, frankly really is a concerning force in politics. it is ridiculous and outrageous comments that are demeaning, degrading, and deceiving
americans really already before we went into this campaign. he is causing international uncertainty and insecurity. we have seen people from latvia, and estonia, and the reckless comments, about engaging in espionage. this is a real danger to our international order. so i'm going to do everything i can to leave nothing at all -- take nothing at all for granted and get out there right away. i was just talking to union members about hitting the ground and streets and making sure that we count every vote and get everybody to the polls. >> senator, i have been thinking about the way that the republican primary went. not that just that donald trump won, that he beat all of those other politicians who seemed like much more likely nominees. but he did it with spending a
lot less money than everybody else, running fewer ads, not running any sort of traditional ground game, that might have suggested he may have been able to do it. the democratic campaign, they have been good at raising money and with ads, donald trump has not had a single ad yet. and yet the polls say they're close. are you worried that they're planning on running a traditional campaign and donald trump will run the sort of gorilla campaign with effect? >> well, he is still doing it. he has a tremendous social media following and really is reinventing in many ways a campaign based upon a cultive personality. but this is working for him. we have to find a way to demystify the cultive personality, with the message and communications.
but this is also going to be a campaign of the basics. the numbers do favor hillary clinton in this campaign. the demographics do favor hillary clinton in this campaign. and we've got to execute in the old fashioned way. i still know from my earlier campaigns, an old fashioned shoe leather, old fashioned door knocking and organizing still can't be beat. as much again, flair and lights and the tempest in the tea pot that he is cannot undermine really what the campaign is. >> and i know that chris christie is a big admirer of yours, what do you think about the bar you set and president obama set in creating sort of a safe haven in the democratic party for republicans who may not be on board with trump's
dark and sort of isolationist view of where the party needs to go? do you think perhaps that secretary clinton didn't und underscore those messages that you and president obama delivered so artfully? >> well, i was really encouraged today when she talked about being a president for all american, for people who voted for her and didn't vote for her. what i hear from donald trump if you're not on this team, you're an enemy. if you're not on this team he is going to demean and degrade you. i want to talk about the primary and the concerns, she seemed to have a keen understanding that even if we win back the senate and hold the white house we still have a divided government with a compromise, pragmatism and working together. she started off mentioning some of those themes in her speech. but i know just from the private conversations she is already thinking about how she will pass
comprehensive justice reform and tax reform. she understands it can't be done in a democratic way and we have to find allies across the aisle. donald trump seems like a guy who has first of all no capacity to show humility. he talks about his faith. and i'm a christian, as well, fundamental to faith is something that is even larger t than you. if he is a person who thinks he has not done something that needs forgiveness for, not a person you can work with across the aisle. i know that secretary clinton will work strategically and move the ball down the field. it may not come through as much as you heard, i'm confident from my private conversations that is the kind of president she will be. and she wants in this campaign, the disaffected voters for the republican party. here we had a night where you heard bernie people try to
interrupt her. one thing i saw here, all of us were under this in ttent, unlike last convention, where 2200 colleagues wouldn't even show up. where past presidents wouldn't even come. i love that everybody is here. we're all here and that is a wonderful testimony to the big tent that secretary clinton is looking for. and i'm hoping, as the guy who has worked with criminal justice reform and has even worked with the koch brothers to try to pass reform out of the senate, she is a person who wants all democrats and republicans, who find the same fear with having a person like donald trump endanger the world as we know it by being the commander-in-chief of this country. all of those folks want to stop that, and together, secretary
clinton is your person. >> you just get on 95 for a little bit, walt whitman bridge, and you're safe. >> and you're a jersey boy, man. >> i'm telling you where a safe haven is just across the delaware river. >> amen to that. >> thank you, senator. >> have we noticed that beer has broken out -- >> i saw beverages being consumed. well, they're adults, it's after midnight. people fought and died for your right, right there in that very city. this is by no means an endorsement of miller lite. anyway, we want to take a look at where we have been in the last two hours before we take a look forward with our presidential historian and author michael bechtsloff.
>> for the past year, many made the mistake of laughing off donald trump's comments, excusing him as an entertainer just putting on a show. they thought he could not possibly mean all the horrible things he says. like when he called women pigs or said a mexican couldn't be fair as a judge. or mocked john mccain, a hero and patriot who deserves our respect. now, at first, i admit i couldn't believe he meant it either. it was just too hard to fathom that someone who wants to lead our nation could say those things, could be like that. but here is the sad truth.
there is no other donald trump. this is it. and in the end, it comes down to what donald trump doesn't get. america is great because america is good. >> while we were listening to that clip we were handed a printed out list of the in order tweets and response by donald trump. >> after -- when she said the thing about donald trump being baited with a tweet, somebody could be baited with a tweet is a person who should not be able to have nuclear power. everybody in the room made the same joke, donald trump is in the bathroom, locked in, while his staff keeps his phone away from him. >> i called a senior trump adviser while the speech was going on, said have you heard from him, have you heard a reaction, how does he feel about the campaign trail?
and he said well, if you take him off the trail all he does is tweet all day. >> hillary clinton's vision is a borderless world where working people have no power, no jobs, no safety, no one has worse judgment than hillary clinton. corruption and devastation follows her wherever she goes. so he is really going with the sunshine kind of theme. >> yeah, happy guy. >> wow. >> okay, michael beachloff is standing by to make sense. not the balloons, but the history with this. michael, let's start there, i asked if we could possibly put politics aside and take this on as a cultural milestone that we have witnessed. >> it is, no matter what happens, brian, for november or the next four years these two americans of the move will be the major night that the country has nominated a woman. that had not happened before.
i always try to look at something that has not happened before. hillary clinton in that speech was so crowd and acknowledged the cultural moment that this has happened. that usually doesn't happen in presidential politics. for instance, 1960, john kennedy was the second catholic to be nominated by a major party and not long ago i went back to the acceptance speech to see how he talked about that and it was very defensive. it was essentially saying you know i hope that americans of good will, will not vote against me because of my religious faith. he looked at it essentially as a political problem. and so it has been with women and presidential politics. 1984, geraldine ferraro was the first woman choice at the convention. turns out they made sure there was as little contact between you and ferraro as possible, try
not to hold your hands up in the air because people are still trying to deal with it. they may feel strange. even hillary clinton, for 2008, for so much of that campaign she said very little about the fact that she would be the first woman if elected. we were talking about breaking the glass ceiling. that was at the end of the campaign. one thing it shows, how far we've come even in the last eight years how proud she was of that this evening. >> michael, let's talk about extremes. republicans thought george mcgovern was just a flat out dangerous liberal who was going to trade away the united states. democrats thought that barry goldwater was a bomb-throwing conservative. barry goldwater who today would be a moderate to center left republican. as there -- do you think the way
democrats view donald trump the way donald trump views democrats, is that divide greater in constant dollars, as they say, than we've ever seen it? >> i think it's pretty much on the order of the two instances, can you mentioned, which were not only the two biggest presidential landslides, if you remember, nixon, said in 1972, between me and mcgovern, the clearest choice of the century. compared to that, the choice in 2016, is monumental. >> michael beschloff, with family and friends, summing up the four-day gathering of the democrats in philadelphia where it all started, that long hot summer. we have a long hot summer on our hands and we're just getting started. 17 minutes after the hour. we'll be right back with more.
ask yourself, do you really think donald trump has the temperament to be commander in chief? >> no. >> donald trump can't even handle the rough and tumble of a presidential campaign. he loses his cool at the slightest provocation. when he's gotten a tough question, from a reporter, when he's challenged in a debate, when he sees a protester at a rally, imagine if you dare -- imagine him in the oval office facing a real crisis. a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons. >> one of the quotes that will live on well past tonight as philadelphia is now the scene of a big party that will go on into tonight.
among our friends and family and contributors watching along with us is veteran gop campaign strategist, steve schmidt. you've run and been affiliated and associated with a lot of campaigns. and here's my question about the fall. it's well planned out, there's a ground game on both sides. everyone's running to the point of exhaustion, it's five days out and god forbid there's an event. there is an e kexigency. and we've all seen campaigns turn despite the best laid plans on an exigency at the last minute. this year, if there's going to be one doesn't the air feel
electric? >> no doubt about it, we always prognosticate about what's going to happen on the events that have already occurred, not the events that have yet to occur. over the last couple months, the constancy of the terror attacks in europe, the united states, the mass shooting of police officers, mass shootings of civilian populations here, is that every week brings almost existential crisis to the american people. if one of those should happen in the last days of the election, it could swing the election for sure to either candidate. that is why when you look at the speech tonight, that hillary clinton delivered, there's something in it for every part of her coalition across the states that will determine the outcome of this election, to drive turnout, to take nothing to chance. >> and god forbid a million times goes without saying, i guess because we're in the business of covering said
exigencies in this studio, in this building, they seem more real and sadly more often. lawrence o'donnell, among your roles, these last eight days has been to deal with the facts as delivered from the podiums. any facts, as we say, that are under review? do you have anything from tonight? >> yeah, there are a few things to look at. let's look at what hillary clinton said about appointing supreme court justices and dealing with citizens united. >> we need to appoint supreme court justices who will get money out of politics and expand voting rights, not restrict them. and if necessary, we will pass a constitutional amendment to overturn citizens united. >> this introduces a complication in the senate
confirmation process for supreme court justices. because the clinton administration said they would have a litmus test. that the justices she would nominate would have to basically pledge to overturn citizens united. as to the constitutional amendment option, let's just remember that that requires a two thirds majority vote in the house. a two thirds majority vote in the senate. that's not likely to happen any time soon. and then you need 38 of the 50 states have to ratify it and some of us will recall that the e.r.a. was the last major amendment to get that far, got through congress and came up three states short in the time period it had to get ratified. it's a very hard and unlikely and long road to do that. let's take a look at something
else hillary clinton said. she invited us to do this, to look at her record, to show that she would be able to legislate the list of things that she talked about. >> look at my record. i've worked across the aisle to pass laws and treaties. and to launch new programs that help millions of people. >> it's not all that clear what she's talking about, the treaty she was talking about was the s.t.a.r.t. treaty in 2010. that was passed with 71 votes in the senate. it's hard for the secretary of state to take credit for that. especially since it's handled by the senators themselves, the president is actively involved. 71 votes, made it clear it was not that hard a thing to pass. in terms of actual legislation that hillary clinton worked on in a bipartisan way in the united states senate and got passed, there really isn't anything. the only bill that she authored that went all the way and became law was the naming of a courthouse -- a federal court in new york.
there really isn't a record there legislatively of her being able to do what -- by the way -- no one else has been able to do on the democratic side in recent times in the senate and that is work across the aisle to get anything done with republicans. >> lawrence o'donnell, some context on what we just witnessed tonight, thanks. we'll take a break, when we come back, our warriors seated at long last. the road warriors after eight total days countless hours of covering two conventions. that's them, they're huddled masses in those chairs in the center. we'll hear from them coming up. or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions
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(colonial penn jingle) ♪ just the science of balloon drops has changed over the years. if you're into these you're into these. it is a beautiful sight. you don't get to do that often as an adult. >> there aren't many occasions for balloon drops other than nominating conventions. we don't do it for anything else, right? we should. >> they're pretty spectacular. >> we're going to drop balloons on election night in here. >> you don't forget being there. >> next tuesday 3:00 a.m. at brian's house. >> so it's not -- >> because we're close to hoboken you can almost hear francis albert singing, it's a quarter to 3:00, there's no one in the place but you and me.
that's what our road warriors look like. if we didn't know them, each of them individually so well you would just assume they are all hammered. they're not, they're tired. >> totally sober. >> casey hunt, kelly o'donnell, kristen welker, after a total of eight days, thousands of miles, hundreds of hours covering conventions, kristen welker, what does it all mean? >> this is the balloon and confetti version of road warriors. i think tonight was an historic night. it was the biggest speech of secretary clinton's career, she had a lot of goals at the outset, she wanted to humanize herself. she wanted to draw a very sharp contrast to donald trump. kelly, what did you make of it? did she achieve what she set out to? >> two things that were very important. she allowed herself to show some emotion, a softer side, you felt the love she has for her daughter and her late mother. and she was tough without going
to the extreme -- witheringly tough on donald trump. and hitting both of those i think was pretty effective. and then trying to each out to a broader, beyond the democratic party base, the electorate. that is a hard thing to do and she made the attempt. >> i think before the speech the clinton campaign was very clear that that was one of her key goals to reach out to all americans, how far did she go toward doing that do you think? >> i think it was back to basics, right? you have to remember there are a lot of people who haven't heard her give that speech. we've heard parts of that speech many, many times. she had a couple new sections, obviously, the historic nature of the night. where we are today. for the most part, she was delivering her main message to a broader audience of americans. to a certain extent there's some serious calculation here. >> as someone who has not seen it many, many times. once or twice.
two things stuck out to me. she's a mom and from her daughter's perspective, a great mom, and she's a tough woman. you look around this arena, it still says stronger together all over the place here. that is the message that was reinforced. you know, time and again. in the arkansas delegation. where i was, i met people who have known her for 30 years and people who have never met her. they were all celebrating in the same way on this historic night. >> they wanted to personalize her. i really thought that the person who had the most emotional moment tonight was chelsea clinton. when she was coming off the stage, watching bill clinton's face. the pride there, the family watching her. i felt like all of it was tied up in that. and then it was followed more by pros. there was less emotion in hillary clinton's speech. >> chelsea is a reluctant public figure. she spent most of her life in the public eye.
i also thought it was interesting we knew protest was likely, it did come. there was more money spent on signs to sort of obscure the protests. they were there, we could hear them, they were shouting. they had their own homemade signs, it was not sufficient to derail the moment. really both sides won in that way. >> if you're actually in this arena, there were multiple outbursts from these protesters that you talk about, kelly. but as kelly maps out, what happened was, the broader audience overshadowed them time an time again. there was this remaining conflict. >> i think it's both, two things, the size of the protest, and the protesters, there were probably only a couple hundred people in an arena that seats 20,000 people? and the second part, the republican convention, last week, this production was a tight production. way tighter than donald trump.
this convention, there was not a minute to breathe. every time something happened they were already on to the next thing. >> i kept thinking they were going to cancel some speaker because we were behind. they managed to keep to it, somehow, they made up some time, and the film was certainly a way to bring in a lot of her story, with some emotional touches and again bringing president obama into it, and the voice of morgan freeman. those things were effective. >> he narrates all of our lives? >> yes, exactly. we've seen her on the campaign trail. fun to see her again in person. i was struck by talking to some of the delegates in the california section, where i spent a lot of the evening. the emotion they felt, there was a woman who told me she ran for city council, lost by 34 votes and was despondent about that, understandably so. and she said, tonight, she was inspired and she's going to run again, because she thinks hillary clinton who's been knocked back sometimes in her life -- that was a very personal story i just heard moments ago. and it struck me. >> i think you're right in all
of the analysis sometimes we forget to stop and recognize how huge this moment is in our history. i think what secretary clinton did tonight that was effective, she took a moment to really live in the history of what happened here. and when she said i accept your nomination for president, you know, as the first woman, the crowd went wild. >> i thought she was going to spend a little more time on it. if anything, the weight of that seemed to really fall the most right when she walked out on that stage. almost even more so than when she said the line, i accept the nomination. >> you know the line she left out of the speech. >> one of the lines that she left out, was i ran for president and lost. when she was giving her bio. i don't know if it was at that moment she thought to herself, i'm going to celebrate this. i don't want to go back. that's something i got from seeing that happen. >> did this convention overall do anything to scale back her historically high unfavorable ratings?
jacob, what do you think? >> like i said, to me, she comes out of here as a mother, we heard from her daughter in a way we don't normally hear from her. i remember earlier on in the campaign, chelsea clinton tried to dabble in the policy, and it got problematic at times for her. and to hear about hillary clinton, the woman and the mother it just takes you to a different place from all of these conversations we've been having this week. >> we got that from bill clinton too. in some ways, that's what stood out to me about hillary clinton's speech, it was different in tenor than everything that came before. you had this series of very emotional, very personal speeches, both on the family's side, from joe biden, also from president obama. >> she showed it in a measured way. >> we've been on the trail with her, and sometimes the moment -- she might be louder, to protect with the audience. it was a big room. very controlled in her delivery.
which i thought was very effective. and maybe her best argument is to disqualify donald trump in many ways and she did that. and she, the whole four days of this convention tried to put a good spin on being around for a while. >> i thought all the speeches wove together so well. which goes to your point about how highly choreographed this convention was. the other thing that struck me was how many points she hit donald trump. i expected her to hit donald trump. it was sort of a point by point takedown, which is a little unusual for a convention speech. >> in some ways it made the speech more about him than i anticipated. the weight of history in the room, the way women were responding to have this anti-donald trump speech. it jarred me at first, but it fell into a rhythm after a while. that's one thing she's comfortable doing on the campaign trail. >> if people don't trust either of them, she's trying to reinforce, do you want to trust
him more or me more? with that, brian, rachel, we are not resting just yet. we have balloons and hillary clinton and tim kaine are going on a road trip. so the road warriors roll on. so we'll toss it back to you. >> your point about morgan freemen's voice, it is said in "ted 2." either by ted or mark walberg, i'd like to sleep on a bed made of your voice. >> there's no doubt about that. >> he's our national treasure, national narrator, whether it's penguins or political conventions, well done, all. thank you our correspondents, our road warriors, casey hunt, kelly o'donnell. a break for us, just getting started. the live coverage from philadelphia continues right after this.
a history maker tonight -- >> it never gets old that song. >> a history maker tonight. americans for the first time have the opportunity to vote for a woman for major party candidate. president of the united states. it is a big story, continues to be a big story, both here and where it unfolded tonight. we're going to stay at it in philadelphia. chris matthews has taken up his post. chris? >> i'm here at mcgillin's old ale house in philadelphia, for a special edition of "hardball". that's going to go on for a
while. hillary clinton accepted the nomination to become her party's candidate for president. the first time a woman will lead a major party ticket. tonight, secretary clinton reflected on the historic importance and the moment. >> tonight we've reached a milestone in our nation's march toward a more perfect union. the first time that a major party has nominated a woman for president. standing here as my mother's daughter and my daughter's mother, i'm so happy this day has come. after all, when there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit. >> secretary clinton's summation, a well choreographed week of speeches. michelle obama certainly elevated the message on monday. bill clinton provided a strong character witness for his wife on tuesday.
president obama passed the party baton with a personal endorsement wednesday. tonight, hillary clinton made the closing argument, it was a plain spoken summation of all the arguments against donald trump, including his temperament. let's watch. >> just ask yourself, do you really think donald trump has the temperament to be commander in chief? donald trump can't even handle the rough and tumble of a presidential campaign. imagine him in the oval office, facing a real crisis. a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons. >> well, her ultimate damning assessment that donald trump doesn't get what makes the country great.
here she is. >> for the past year, many people made the mistake of laughing off donald trump's comments. excusing him as an entertainer just putting on a show. here's the sad truth, there is no other donald trump. this is it. and in the end, it comes down to what donald trump doesn't get. america is great because america is good. well, joining me tonight, joy reid, she is host of a.m. joy. chris hayes, howard fineman and michael steele, former republican chairman of the republican national committee. that's kind of appropriate. i have a sense having grown up here, there's an attitude in this room.
>> there's an attitude. >> it may not be presidential to some of the liberal things we heard tonight. we're going to find out tonight. >> what did you think about tonight? >> i thought this was the best republican convention i've been to in a long time. you know, i'm going to send a memo out tomorrow to reince, hey, review the tape and do this next time. no, this was a very well done, down the middle pitch by hillary clinton. there was a point, though, where she realized, oh, snap, democrats. i have to go against the republicans, and she shifted and turned it more into sort of a slam on republicans. less so on trump, and more on the broader message about -- >> i want to get to hillary clinton's speech in a minute. what i was dazzled about tonight is general allen. i mean, that speech was as american as hell.
it was gung ho. what everyone who joins the military wants as a commander. it was great. i thought the mother and father -- >> can i talk about them for a second. i thought, that moment, when the mother -- >> the father -- >> the father's there with this inflexion of an immigrant if you grew up in new york city like i did, that was your buddy's father's voice. i mean, it's so recognizable. >> you're a yankee kind of fan? >> i'm not, actually. and you're there and you're hearing this guy, he takes out and says, if you read the constitution, he takes it out of his pocket. i'll lend you a copy. donald trump, you have never sacrificed anything. you have sacrificed nothing or no one. i felt like everyone in that room was pinned back in their chair. that was an amazing -- >> what a job. >> let's go back to hillary for a second. i thought it was workman like, it was a speech. it didn't have any memorable -- one of the lines that's going to go in bartletts or something, give me liberty or give me death.
it didn't have any of that in there. i only have one life to give to my country. it was workman like, it was a summation, plain spoken. i'd call it that. >> here's the thing, not only did she make history by being nominated as the first woman to head a major party, she looked every inch a president on the stage tonight. and when she -- so she not only looked the part, but she acted the part, and i thought when she took on donald trump directly, and basically said, come on, buddy, she was every inch the president. and i think that's something -- that's a line that we've crossed and an achievement that we've reached that i'm not sure even she fully appreciates, but i think the world saw that. i agree with michael, it was brilliantly staged? no, it was not poetic, there was no irish lift of a driving dream in there. but when she said, as she has said before, if affordable child
care and paid family leave is playing the woman's card, deal me in. okay i refer to facebook again, because i'm monitoring what they're monitoring, that was the most discussed line of the night on facebook. and i think that's very -- >> joy, i notice you're the woman here. i know, i was looking around, our executive producer, i knew she would be teary eyed. verklempt, and she was. i think a lot of women my age, have been waiting for this for a long time. you're pretty young, though. did it grab you? >> yeah, i think for the first time. >> did you like that, pretty young? >> i appreciate that. i'll take it anyway i can get it. i think for the first time hillary clinton was able to connect people like me, who maybe were sort of studying and watching this, but not really emotionally connected to what she was doing, to create an emotional connection with her. i think she did that not by herself, but over the course of
this four days. it was a brilliant piece of television, first of all. let's acknowledge it was well done. it was almost like an oscars telecast. it was well done. and it built to an emotional crescendo, where at the end you bought hillary clinton as a president. you bought hillary clinton as fundamentally a mom and a grandma. and listen, it was the most methodist -- i was catholic for six years. and then we were methodist. >> you were raised catholic. >> yeah, i was one of those people. it was a very methodist speech. it ended with a methodist minister who gave the benediction. she's isolated donald trump from the values of the republican party, the democratic party and america. and left him all alone out there. >> i've been waiting for this for a long time, following the democrats, i used to work with them. i've been waiting for them to be unabashedly patriotic. it took donald trump to push them over and say, we're not him.
we like this country. >> this is the patriotism of the world war ii movement. >> no, it's the -- >> what i'm saying, it's the gut patriotism. it's also patriotism as exemplified by the array of people in the row boat and the life raft, during the world war ii navy movie. you had the italian guy and jewish guy. >> pretty face. >> yeah. and this was saying that that canned of tableau updated to 2016, is the most fundamentally american thing you can have. >> to me, it's a patriotism in opposition to ethnonationalism. there is this dueling battle over what is americanness, it's
not people coming to this country, it's not muslims, it's this ethnically defined set of people. this four days trying to reconceptualize love of country in an age of sort of vanishing white majority. >> the challenge still remains she's got to translate that across the country. >> i agree. >> take it out into the middle of the can't where there's some resistance. >> can i tell you tonight -- there was a lot of talk -- >> wait -- >> there was a lot of talking to them. >> he said, oh, hillary clinton says america's great, and people booed the idea that america is great. when did we get to the idea that republicans -- >> every one of these speeches is written by politicians for politicians. to get a certain reaction from the audience. clinton tonight said it should be a uniter, that it should represent all americans. here she is, hillary clinton. >> i will be a president for democrats, republicans independents, for the struggling, the striving, the successful, for all those who vote for me and for those who don't. for all americans together.
>> let's not start a fight here. i think they were smart, michael, in giving her three days distance from michelle obama. michelle gave the speech of her life monday. hillary didn't have to talk until thursday. so you sort of forget about how great it was. last night obama gave perhaps the speech of his life. they were the heavyweights this week, the two obamas by far. >> there's no doubt. there's no doubt. the problem that i thought hillary clinton would have coming into tonight was everything that led up to this moment. and i have to say, i think in some respects she was very effective in threading that needle a little better than i thought she would. obama handed off the baton to her, he said to her last night, this is my legacy, go forth with it. here's the question i have, in that hall tonight, don't know how it was covered outside the hall, there were certain moments where that tension still exists. that usa chant was not love of country, great speech, hillary,
it was drowning out the bernie supporters saying no more war. there's that part of the speech that has to be reconciled. >> but at the same time -- >> not only no more war, but the fact that bernie sanders touched the core of economic anxiety in the middle class, and that i thought was the most dissonant part of hillary's speech. >> i got a text from a die hard bernie sanders supporter who said, hillary won me over tonight. >> i thought that part of the speech was important, because she's able to give the sort of democrats for working people schpiel that is necessary. >> and the technical thing, the three chants, which was no more war. they figured hillary, so you