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>> my plan will create millions, millions more jobs than trump's. >> does anybody here believe one word of what he says? >> reporter: the former president back on stage decades after the clintons first campaigned here. >> pennsylvania have been very good to our family. >> it's the first time i campaigned on a bus and came to pennsylvania was way back in $1992. >> reporter: now democrats are privately worried that the keystone state might help give donald trump the keys to the white house. donald trump is off the campaign trail today but clinton is heading west to pittsburgh before crossing over into ohio where she'll campaign in youngstown and end her day in cleveland, all places she needs to do well if she hopes to win in november. >> nbc's kasie hunt, thank you so much reporting from harrisburg, pennsylvania. to colorado where we're following the trump caimpaign.
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there was a rally in denver. any reason trump and pence are off the trail this weekend? >> reporter: they may be physically off the campaign trail but he's busy tweeting this morning. just in the last five minutes out with three different tweets, one of them talking about the long-term unemployment rate, talking about how hillary clinton he says doesn't want change and he does. each side has a different set of facts, a different set of numbers that they say back up their view of the world and their campaign strategies. donald trump this week in swing states campaigning all throughout the week says he's happy with the contrast with the democratic party. he says that their message of positivity that everything is doing well, he says, is simply out of touch with the real world. talking about a world that doesn't exist. he's happy, he says, with his message that paints, in his words, a realistic picture of all of the problems that we have in the country and in the world right now. he talked also about beating
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hillary clinton as he usually does, but in a different way. take a listen. >> if i don't beat crooked hillary clinton, she is as crooked as a $3 bill, if i don't beat crooked hillary clinton, i will consider this a tremendous waste of time, energy and money, believe me. i'm not looking to be in history books. unless it's at the top where we do something great. >> reporter: we've seen a lot of energy at his rallies this week. he's been on a high note because he had a bump in the polls since his convention. that's something he hasn't seen for almost two months. he's been behind hillary clinton in nearly every national poll almost since he became the presumptive nominee until this week, but if this weekend hillary clinton gets a big bump and she's again ahead of him in the polls, it will be interesting to see how he handles that if history is any
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indication, we'll ignore the polls because they don't have him ahead. we'll see what happens there as he goes through five different swing states, him and mike pence next week. >> we'll be watching. thank you as always. i want to bring in senior white house correspondent for the hill and also msnbc political reporter. thanks for being with me as we're going through this digest chun point now. donald trump saying he's happy with the contrast but what are the contrasts and where are they similar as far as comparison? >> there's not much similar there. we saw hillary clinton sort of draw a more optimistic approach, everything in her convention, down to her white suit, everything is better here. the speakers, you had michelle obama, president obama, joe biden, an all-star lineup, even down to the celebrity apeernpeae of katy perry. it was an all star lineup
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compared to the doom and gloom of the rnc in cleveland and scott baio. there was almost a d-list act there. that was a big contrast. i think what they're going to plan to do in the days ahead is to keep building on that optimistic image. they focused on national security and how things in the country have gone awry. you're going to hear secretary clinton and tim kaine assert that, no, the country is great. and you heard them say that this week as well. >> do you see any other similarities other than maybe day one of the conventions didn't get off to the smoothest start? >> my internal disruptions on both sides of the conventions but both conventions highlighted the contrast between these party, always contrast but especially this year drawn out to the extremes. if you want to look for similarities, democrats kind of embraced a lot of the
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conservative icon og fee that you usually see on the republican side of the convention. there was probably more militaristic imagery at the democratic convention when they had former marine john allen come on. they did it in a way that was very much in the democratic party's ideology talking about the struggle that they've made, the progress going forward. there was ka zeer khan, the father of that army captain who was killed who waved the constitution. that's again kind of a typically republican thing to do to hold up the constitution like that, but doing it in a way that supported democratic party values. i think that was an interesting way for them to kind of seize the high ground on those issues. >> certainly one of the highlighted moments that years from now that's going to be one of those moments you're going to remember. another one of those moments that we're still talking about and probably run sound bites for the time being is that from michelle obama earlier on the speech. amy, you write about this as well, the risk that hillary clinton took as far as being
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upstaged at that point. was that a risk that paid off? >> i think they think that it did. it was a good speech, a good speech for her. she's not typically an or eighter. she doesn't speak in the soaring prose that barack obama does. i think they felt happy. they tried to stitch together the themes all week of what had been happening from the economy to national security, and they felt like it came together at the end. i think -- but it was hard for her and she had a lot of people coming in and helping her at the last minute. >> first lady and the president. >> even the president i think was feeling a little bit of pressure. he went back to the white house after the first lady spoke and actually worked on his speech until 3:30 that morning. so everyone was sort of feeling the pressure of that moment. but i think they all feel like it paid off. >> alex, the dnc as we were just talking about, a star-studded event but you wrote when it came down to what was in hillary
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clinton's speech that she favored pragmatism over flare. so now that we're post convention here, will that approach work going the last 100 days of this race? >> i think it's the best card for her to play and we'll find out if it worked. this is a very unconventional year, both in the democratic and republican party. you saw these kind of revolutionary insurgency candidates either seize control or comelose to seizing control in bernie sanders'case. she is a much more conventional politician. instead of trying to be something she's not in this speech, she just put her best foot forward and gave a conventional speech, a very good conventional speech i thought for her especially considering as amy was saying she's not the best or tigs of all time. i think she's putting herself forward as a competent person, a tenacious person, who is steady. that's one of the big themes, and who will bring the country together, trying to push donald trump into the margins of american political life, opening the door up to republicans,
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independents, saying join me and we'll go forward. that's a very traditional message but that's more in fitting with who she is. >> interesting how she came across with that kind of idea, one line during her speech she said, a man you can bait requwi tweet is not a man you can trust with nuclear weapons. donald trump saying no one has worse judgment than hillary clinton. corruption and devastation follows her wherever she goes. as we look ahead we know the debates are going to start. what can we preview, especially when we have donald trump already tweeting complains about the debate, saying hillary has put it up against two nfl games? >> i can see him getting out of these debates because hillary clinton is so well versed in policy. she's a policy wonk. she gets really granular, so i think that's going to be a problem for him looking forward.
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how does he combat that. he made it through all of those debates on the republican side and did it pretty well. i think it's going to be ugly. you heard him yesterday say the gloves are off, and i think there's going to be a lot of back and forth there. and she can get pretty -- she can throw the punches as well, so i would expect her to do that too. >> do you see donald trump trying to wiggle his way out of these debates? i don't mean not doing it but also, as we've seen in the past when donald trump gets in moments where he doesn't want to be put in a corner he'll say something or do something so that the focus is diverted. >> yeah. it would be possible. it would be highly unusual throw. there's only three debates. for him to skip one of these, it would certainly be damaging but he might calculate that it would be less damaging than actually participating. the same as he's done with his tax returns, concluding that it's less damaging to release
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them. as amy was saying, hillary clinton did i think 26 debates in 2008 with barack obama, nine this year with bernie sanders and the other democrats. she's a former lawyer. she does her homework very very well. could not have a more different debate style than donald trump. there's a chance that he takes a look at that and just decides that he would rather face the media for one or two days of bad stories for skipping it than having all those sound bites play for the rest of the campaign if he actually participate. >> how will that work? will they cancel it or will she be up there as a platform on her own? how will that work logistically? >> i don't know. maybe a clint eastwood act where she just talks to an empty chair. >> we'll see if it gets to that point. to both of you, good to have you with me. plibernie sanders protestor
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>> nina, always good to have you with me. i know you spoke with my colleague, thomas roberts, on thursday after this incident where you showed up thinking you were going to be part of the program. i know you couldn't really explain what happened. do you have anymore clarification as to what exactly happened, why you weren't there in part of the program? >> no, i don't. thanks for having me this morning. senator sanders made me aware that he wanted me and congresswoman tulsi gabbard. for some reason that did not happen, and yes, it was hurtful. but we're going to keep on moving in terms of this political revolution and everything that is necessary to continue to give voice to the people in this country that are hurting. >> nina, are you okay with that, not knowing, or do you late at night in bed say i still don't get it, i still don't know why i wasn't part of the program? >> certainly i'm not okay with
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it but there are two things i can do, continue to be upset about it, or move on. that's what i certainly plan to do. it is patently unfair, especially on a night where they had lots of african-american women but you lock out an african-american woman. it cuts against the value proposition of the democratic party. but to that point, that's why i'm going to continue to push, because i hear the voices of the descenters and we need dissent to continue to push us to be all that we can be. there was a lot of talk at the democratic convention about how great our country is. part of our greatness is rooted in the fact that we continue to strive to be better. if that striving can be true for our country, then it has to be true for the democratic party that i've been a life-long member of and who i believe in its value proposition and for the republican party for that matter and that's what we saw a lot of in philadelphia, were
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people who were standing up, giving voice to their pain, and we can't run from that. >> just to clarify and then i want to ask about your message and how you'll push it forward. you're okay with not ever knowing and you've stopped asking the reasons why what happened? >> i talked to senator sanders and that's good enough for me. i talked to the senator who you know i adore, who i fought my heart out not just for him and the symbol of everything he was fighting for, but for the people of this country. that has been my record as somebody in this political space and i'm going to keep pushing but i'm going to use my energy moving forward to continue this fight. >> given this fight, do you think part of that fight was seen as the democratic establishment during the time of the convention of kind of diluting your message, smothering your message by not having you participate? >> i don't know what happened there, exactly whose fingerprints are where, but part of continuing this great push as i said is making sure that we give voice. lots of time both conventions,
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both the republican and the democratic convention, we want this kind of hollywood, everybody's eunified or the othr case is am -- armageddon. you cannot have unity unless you admit there has been disunity. i describe the democratic convention as one of protest and promise and it is that promise part that i continue to continue to use my effort towards. >> we've seen that emotion, especially when it comes to the booing throughout the events and speakers at the convention, even when hillary clinton herself was speaking we heard those boos. but do you see that those bernie supporters, can you see them ultimately getting behind hillary clinton and voting for her? it's kind of a tossup with trump as far as hand in hand in getting your message out.
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>> there was polling who asked i think democratic voters who would you vote for and i believe that mr. trump and secretary clinton are in a dead heat and even jill stein has about 22% of those democratic voters who are not happy right now in terms of the candidates -- the choice that they have, but i do believe that if the democrats, if my party, if we start to speak to the heart and stop speaking just to the head, that there is the possibility to win people over. but we have to be honest. we know that on monday that data breach that was revealed of some of the vile things that were being said against senator sanders, that is no way to open up a convention and just expect that people are going to fall in line in terms of their emotions and their feelings. we have to admit that wrong was done and that we're going to work collectively as a party to make sure that nothing like that ever happens again to anybody, and the appointment of donna brazile, my dear sister, as the
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interim dnc chairwoman i think sets a strong foundation to try to restore. we have to try to restore some trust within -- trust for i should say the structure that is the democratic party. >> given that and the unification that so many people are looking for and seeking, if that meant somebody saying from the hillary clinton campaign or hillary clinton herself saying, nina, we could really use you on our team, would you campaign for me, would you? >> that is something that i would give consideration to but for now what i am doing is lifting up this political revolution. i think it is about those people who are crying out. i met a woman, i met hundreds of thousands of people but i met a young lady who talked about the debt that her and her boyfriend are saddled with, $85,000 of college debt. they're both college educated, yet they work jobs making about $10 an hour and she cried as she pointed to her daughter. while we can both have hope and
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conviction in what this country is and what it can be, we also have to embrace the reality in this country that some people are suffering, not in the way that mr. trump and the republicans are but we can't be totally delusional about the problems and the pain that people are feeling. we have spoken to in the sanders campaign the voices of the disappointed, the disaffected, and we have given them voice to talk and to speak loudly in this american democracy. as a democratic party, we need to embrace all of those voices, even if it's a little messy at times. >> very quickly i have to ask you about it. senator sanders was on hbo and when asked about 2020 said he wouldn't rule it out. has he had a conversation with you or have you asked him about it? >> i won't talk about everything that the senator and i have talked about but the senator has just put shock waves throughout this country. people are fully awake and we saw that on display in philadelphia. if president nelson mandela i think was in his 90s when he
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took over. one thing senator sanders has shown us is that age isn't anything but a number. if you have great work to do, you need to do that. >> 2020, a very short four years from now. always good to have you with me. thank you. >> thank you. happening now, zika in the united states, the first domestic outbreak hit south florida, so what are the fears there? i had that dream again -- that i was on the icelandic game show. and everyone knows me for discounts, like safe driver and paperless billing. but nobody knows the box behind the discounts. oh, it's like my father always told me -- "put that down. that's expensive." of course i save people an average of nearly $600, but who's gonna save me? [ voice breaking ] and that's when i realized... i'm allergic to wasabi. well, i feel better. it's been five minutes. talk about progress. [ chuckles ] okay.
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first mosquito transmitted infection of the zika virus in the united states. what do we know so far about this? interesting where this is, a place that's known for its art community. now zika. >> reporter: exactly like you said, this neighborhood north of downtown miami known of course for its colorful murals and its article galleries, now emerging as ground zero for the country's first suspected local transmission of zika. this weekend miami in the heat of battle against zika. as experts say the four cases of infection in the city may be just the start of the spread by mosquitos here in the u.s. >> we are testing suspect patients and then reporting those results to the health department. >> reporter: with that comes a renewed emphasis on education. mosquito control workers going door to door with flyers and testing standing water. with zika linked to cases of
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microcepha microcephaly, pregnant women are of particular concern. >> she suggested to me not to go out very often, especially at nighttime. >> reporter: zika is believed to be transmitted by mosquito, sexual contact, and blood transfusion. this week the fda requested blood banks stop collecting donations until they can screen for zika. southern based blood bank one blood is testing for the virus along with other illnesses. >> it's an automated process. you're going to see a tube of blood from the donor that will go through the testing process and the results are known within 12 hours. >> reporter: the area of active transmission for the home grown cases is believed to be a one square mile north of miami where a trendy arts district is located. >> what have you heard about the zika virus so far? >> i know it's something that you don't want to have. >> reporter: businesses and visitors trying to balance daily life with the looming threat of
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zika. >> i'm aware. i'm not overly worried. i'm cautious. >> reporter: officials zeroed in on this area after learning that all four patients visited near here shortly around the time that they were infected. that, coupled with the fact that the mosquito believed to transmit zika travels no more than 450 yards in its lifetime helped them establish that one square mile perimeter of active infection. >> fascinating how they can do that. thank you. speaking from the heart, the parents of a fallen soldier featured at the dnc talked with msnbc. who they're thanking after receiving national attention for their story. plus their message to republican leaders in congress. >> there comes a time in the history of a nation where a moral stand has to be taken regardless of the political cost. ♪
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we are hearing more from a couple who gave an emotional appearance at the democratic convention thursday night. the mother and father of u.s. army captain khan spoke to lawrence o'donnell last night and talked about their decision to address the nation and how they continue to mourn their son who was killed in iraq in 2004. >> i thank all america who listened from their heart, my husband's and my heart, and i'm so grateful for that. it was very nervous because i cannot see my son's picture. i cannot even come in the room where his pictures are. so when i saw the picture, i couldn't take it and i controlled myself at that time. >> captain khan's father told lawrence he only gave half of his speech thursday night. the other half contained a
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message for senator majority leader mcmckconnell and house speaker paul ryan. >> it's time to repudiate trump, what he has said, what he has threaten to do. this is moral imperative for both leaders to say to him that enough, you are about to sink the ship of the patriot republicans. republicans are as patriotic as democrats are. they're half of the goodness of this beautiful country, half of this political process the rest of the world watches enviously, learns from it, they have disagreed with his practices, his threats to minorities,
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disrespect to the legal system, legal institutions. i want to ask them, if your candidate -- and i wish this would get to their ears and i will continue to ask this question. if your candidate wins, and he governs the way he has campaigned, my country, this country, will have constitutional crises that never before in the history of this country. >> i want to bring in former deputy campaign manager for carly fiorina, sarah flores. i appreciate your being with me this morning. we just heard from the father of that muslim fallen soldier. his speech on thursday has been called one of the most powerful of the dnc convention, something that we'll remember years from now, really pivotal moment. his speech thursday with respect to donald trump's candidacy,
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what's your take on it, and if it's registering at all not just with donald trump but with those who support him. >> i thought it was an incredibly powerful speech, heartfelt, but you'll notice one word was missing and that's hillary clinton. that was really an anti-trump speech like so much of the convention. we didn't hear a lot of pro hillary stuff, we heard mostly anti-trump. they're trying to make this a referendum on trump and we'll see how successful that will be. what i think you'll see from this is, yes, she will get a bump from this convention, but keep an eye on her trustworthiness numbers, so little of this was making the case for hillary clinton that i'm not sure she will see that kind of bump from the convention. >> a little reminder of that speech, part of it on thursday. let's play it. >> have you ever been to arlington cemetery? go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending the
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united states of america. you will see all faiths, genders, and earthnicities. you have sacrificed nothing and no one. >> their attack against donald trump but will that resonate at all with the independents out there? will that have an impact? >> i think it will. i think that the democratic convention as a whole did a fairly good job trying to reach independents until hillary clinton's speech which i thought was pretty boiler plate liberal laundry list of wants. but the president's speech the night before, i thought that speech and many of the speeches actually on thursday night absolutely were looking to reach independents, some of the disaffected republicans that hillary will need to win in november. >> you tweeted the dnc will be remembered for how democrats
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successfully took lanes traditionally that are conservative. talk a little more about that. >> absolutely. the republican conventions, 2000, 2004, 8, 12 even have really made national security a priority, patriotism, american flags, chants of usa, those are traditionally republican things. in the past the word god has been booed at the democratic convention. now, i do think some of the delegates on the floor were less enthusiastic about what the elites within their party were trying to do. we heard about white noise machineseing on the floor, trying to drown out some of those boos. we did hear that a general was booed while talking. so i think that the base of the democratic party is less enthusiastic about the direction that their convention went, but again, for the tv audience, for the independents and disaffected republicans watching, we'll see, but i think it could have been very effective. >> i want to ask you and shift towards donald trump, especially with efforts to fund raise.
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you have the biannual koch brothers retreat in colorado springs and according to a politico article, the trump finance team tried to meet with the brothers but they were denied. so how big of a red flag is it? is it possible the brothers will have a change of heart or will shift at all after the retreat? >> i doubt so. but we'll see. i think that the concentration on these individual donors on how exactly much money donald trump has raised versus hillary is a red herring. you have two incredibly unpopular candidates and unfortunately for hillary clinton what a lot of people saw in hillary on her speech on thursday night was that she's going to run as hillary clinton and that's not a great thing when the vast majority of the country doesn't trust you, doesn't like you, and these things continue to plague her, e-mail server, benghazi. she hasn't given a press conference in hundreds of days and we're less than 100 days from the election. so her chance to redefine
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herself came and went. >> interesting that donald trump brought that up in florida and said count the days she hasn't given a press conference. very quickly, you haven't been anti-trump so do you remain anti-trump after the conventions? >> i don't know who i'm voting for in november at this point. i'm with the majority of people who don't like either candidate. the conventions didn't put me in one camp or the other. >> sarah flores, thank you for being with me. >> thank you. ending extreme poverty, the festival highlighting the concern and raising money. plus the actors and bands taking part. if you've gone to extremes to escape your nasal allergies.
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the foo fighters agreed to come. it wasn't until stevie wonder called us the day after the first festival and said he wanted to headline year two. we said to stevie, we said there is no year two, and he said there is now. >> i realize how desensitized people have become to poverty because we've just accepted the fact that that's how it works and that's how it's going to be and just writing a check to a charity or just donating money or maybe a little bit of time makes us feel like we've done our part but it's not. what i love about global citizen is it's a movement that gives people the power, that gives citizens the power to say, all right, the government's not going to do anything, i want to take change in my own hands. i want to be the change that everyone around me is talking about. it's incredible to feel empowered like that. >> if we come together, we utilize our voices, utilize our access. we give the millennials the same hope and the opportunity to address the issues that they're
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dealing with, then we'll come up with solutions. yeah, we talk about the world's problems but also, too, we recognize some of the remedies to some of those issues and problems. >> and give solutions to people who don't know what to do. >> so happy to be here to remind the world that is watching that the idea of unity is how we resolve our world's problems and voting and education also. education around the issues that we want to resolve. >> and this young girl once came up to me and said, yeah, but i don't know what to do. that's the crux of the problem. people want to make change in society, be educated. they can talk about it but they don't know what tangibly they can do, and global citizen provides that. >> i think that this is a really important year, given it's an election year. >> vote for hope. >> exactly. i think we need to encourage young people to vote for hope, not hate. this is the year where young people's voices matter more than ever before. >> we're witnessing what's happening around the world.
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nearly twice as many speakers in philadelphia this weeks. it speaks to the number of people who were willing to speak at hillary clinton's convention versus the republicans willing to speak at donald trump's convention in cleveland. >> numbers are really important in network tv ratings. let's go to that. for the acceptance speech, whose speech broughtn 33.3 million viewers? >> hillary clinton's speech on thursday night in philadelphia. that's a little under donald trump's 35 million viewers for his speech last week in cleveland. that said, night over night, the four nights of each convention, more viewers watched the democratic convention. they had more star power. i mentioned they had more speakers total. they had a sitting president, bernie sanders, michelle obama, bill clinton. donald trump did not have that kind of star power at his convention, other than donald trump. >> even when it comes to celebrities and performers as well when it comes to the dnc. talking more about tv, three and a half hours, why is that a bone of contention among republicans? >> this is a complaint that the
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republican national committee lodged this week. the democratic convention ran over to the broadcast a lot from 10:00 to 11:00 p.m., on broadcast just one hour, democrats blew past that. barack obama spoke until almost 11:45 eastern time and the networks stuck with him. republicans on the first night of their convention, melania spoke, the networks cut out at 11:00 sharp. they didn't get the tv coverage and republicans are complaining about it. >> this number sounds like an odd football score, 15-13. who had the advantage and why is this surprising? >> one of the complaints we heard early in the democratic convention was that they weren't talking about terrorism. actually, c-span archives, our friends there, they ran the numbers. isis or the islamic state or isil was mentioned 15 times among speakers of the democratic convention, 13 times in the republican convention. that said, the democrats had
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nearly twice as many speakers. sarah flores talking about it on your air just a little bit ago. might not have been that well received among delegates on the floor. >> very quickly, the most important number to hillary clinton, what is it? >> she leads by about 7.6 points in pennsylvania according to an average of the polls. i talked to pennsylvania governor ed rendell. he expec barack obama to be in philadelphia tryin turn out voters for hillary clinton, 20 electoral votes very important. >> we'll see them there when it comes to hillary clinton and tim kaine. thank you very much. i appreciate it, steve. >> my pleasure. >> that will do it for me this hour. thanks so much for being with me. up next, computer hacking, the growing impact it can have an november's election and why russia is allegedly tied to accusations. i'll see you back here at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit...
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