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for as long as i can. new patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. for the strength and energy to do what you love. new ensure enlive. always be you. this sunday morning this sunday morning a new trump controversy. remember this rebuke of donald trump from the father of a fallen muslim army captain. >> you have sacrificed nothing. and no one. >> trump responds that he's made many sacrifices and questions why the mother didn't speak at the democratic convention. the father responds this morning. plus 100 days to go. where does the race stand now after the two parties offer very different visions of america. joining me are the two top strategists of both p campaigns. and the hack attack and the
russian connection. i talk about why it looks as if he's more interested in sabot e sabotaging the clinton campaign. and joining me for insight and analysis are david brookes, columnist for the "new york times." dorris --. alex castellanos. and more. twok sunday. it's "meet the press." >> this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> goor good sunday morning. we're at one of those critical junctures in a presidential race where a campaign can freeze for about a month for the olympics, end of summer and labor day breakout. we've heard two remarkably different visions offered by the candidate. donald trump sees a troubled nation that needs to be rescued.
>> our convention occurs at a moment of crisis for our nation. the attacks of our police and terrorism of our cities threaten our very way of life. any politician who does not grasp this danger is not fit to lead our country. >> hillary clinton's america was, to use a word, perhaps more reaganesque. certainly a bit more optimistic. >> a country where all our children can dream and those dreams are within reach. where families are strong. communities are safe. and yes, where love trumps hate. >> the story breaking this morning comes out of the conventions and that emotional mother when the father of a u.s. army captain rebukes trump.
>> have you even read the united states constitution? i will gladly lend you my copy. >> trump yesterday seemed to copy why the mother of the fallen muslim army captain did not speak at the democratic convention. the story is making head looinsz today and appears to be another distraction that the trump campaign did not moment. in a moment i'll have my interview with khizr khan. but at the moment. paul manefort. welcome back to "meet the press." i want to play a moment that khan said to me this morning responding to the most recent statement that the campaign has put out. >> we have a candidate without moral compass, without empathy for its citizens. the way he showed disrespect towards the gunshot mother of this country.
that says it all. >> your wife. >> my wife. the brave mother of my son, captain khan. >> can you explain why mr. trump went so hard after mr. khan. >> again, this is the clinton narrative. mr. trump of course feels sorry for what the khan family has gone through just as he felt sorry for the victims who spoke at the republican convention. who lost loved one from immigrant criminals coming in and being able to travel the country freely. that is not the issue. the issue is not the khan family, not the mendosa family or the --. the issue is protecting american homeland from national security risk and terrorists. that is the point here. and mr. trump has said very clearly for months now, a policy that's been ignored. which is that he believes that we need to have a temporary
suspension to stop refuges from coming in from countries that are terrorist activities are rampant or in a war. that is the issue. not the khan family loss which we all regret. not the loss of many other american families which we all regret. the issue is how to protect the homeland. and the second part of the issue which is being ignored is the cause of these losses, tforced our american military to go back into iraq, to syria. ands that the policies put together in january of 2009 by secretary clinton and president obama that caused isis to rise. it's didn't exist in 2009. they exist today. those are the two issues. protecting the homeland and going after isis if in a way that ends the terrorism. the losses of the khan family and other americans who have lost, that is a tragedy and the only way to stop is it to focus
on the real issues and that is what mr. trump is doing and frapgly what secretary clinton did in her speech on thursday was totally ignore that. she sees ab american morning in america shed said. it's not morning in america. and if it's midnight in america she accused mrs. clinton the -- >> mr. trump has neither position. >> but i got to ask you though. it does seem as if the temperament question is coming into play in the last three days he's gone after gold star parents personally. and you have had to backtrack there. and you yourself r yourself just did it. he called a -- a failed general. referred to the new york city mayor bloomburg as the little man. why all the insilts. i assume you would not be advising him to go about responding in this way. >> well chuck, you are now
repeating the talking points of the clinton campaign. this is not a temperament issue. they need to make it one for one reason. because they know over 70% of the american people don't believe a thing she says. so her talking about policies have no credibility. her talking about the obama administration has done a great job and deserves an a on the economy. talk to american family whose sit around the dinner table figuring how to pay their bills. the american economy is not in good shape. productivity is failing. the day after her convention, the department of commerce put out the second quarter growth. the country is not working. it is not about temperament. that is the only issue that clinton can get you or mer here to cover in hopes of ignoring the real issues of the campaign. >> we can only cover the campaign in front of us and what the campaign says. my question is you brought up the gdp. he's bringing up other stuff.
and that question is what is mr. trump focused on? and if he gets distracted like this why shouldn't be an issue that concerns voters of him in the oval office if he can so easily get distracted by personal criticism. >> he's not distracted. you are covering the wrong things. look at the dnc, the issue you focused on was the election was rigged against sanders and would the sanders delegates be upset. the issue was the lack of moral convention on to rig the system. did you talk moral clarity of that decision? no. when mr. trump talked about isn't it ironic that foreign enemies of ours might have the 33,000 e-mails the fbi doesn't have. did you focus on that fact the risk of national security? no. so the issues are in front of you. >> is it not -- does it not also matter if a foreign government
wants to take part in our election? do you condemn that? >> of course we condemn that. that is not the issue at all. mr. trump is making the point that isn't it ironic that 33,000 e-mails that our fbi can't have that may go to national security issues are sitting probably in the vaults of foreign country, friends and enemies alike. that is the issue. so it is there in front of you. it is just the clinton narrative is putting out their talking points because they know that anything she says went have any credibility and they are getting you do cover it from their standpoint instead of the standpoint of what effects the american people. >> let me ask you this. another comment about debates. clarify this. do you plan on participating in any debates that conflict with the nfl? >> we're going sit down with the commissioner and talk to them. again the hack shows you the clinton campaign was working to schedule debates against sanders which had the least possible
viewing audience. mr. trump is saying look we want the maximum viewing audience. i'm not sure the dates ultimately. mr. trump has made it very clear. we hasn'ts the debates. he wants them to have a largest audience and we're going work with the commission. but we're not going fall ploy to the hillary clinton ploy she did against bernie sanders of trying to have the lowest viewing i audience. we want the biggest. >> and before i let you go, there's been some controversy about something in the republican party platform that essentially changed the republican party's views when it comes to ukraine. how much influence did you have on changing that language, sir? >> i had none. in fact i didn't even hear of it until after our convention with was over. >> where did it come from? everybody on the platform committee had said it came from the trump campaign. if not you, who. >> i don't know who -- >> nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform?
>> no one. zero. >> okay. mr. manefort, i'll leave it there. appreciate you coming on this morning. >> thank you, chuck. >> well earlier this morning, i did speak as i noted with mr. manefort, with khizr khan. here is a bit of that interview. mr. khan, welcome to "meet the pres press". >> good morning. thank you. >> look, your speech was one of the most memorable and emotional moments of the convention. did you expect to have it -- have your speech have such an impact? >> not at all. i was surprised myself. i spoke from heart. those were my thoughts and edited by my wonderful wife. i would read it to her while getting ready, while traveling on the train and she would add it and she would say no you're not going to say this. no. this is not if for occasion. >> what was she telling you not to say? what were some things that she didn't want you do say is. >> you're going to put me in
trouble with her. my first words were these are my thoughts and these are my words. and then pause. because i was hinting to that so some plagiarism that took place. the stewardship of this country needs to be in the hands of the person who has moral compass, who can relate, who has some empathy with the citizens he wishes to lead. this candidate is void of both. so she asked me to not say that. so i deleted that. i don't manufacture these incidents. the way he showed disrespect
towards the gold star mother of this country, that says it all. >> your wife. >> my wife. the brave mother of my son, hero of this country. we don't take these values lightly. we are testament to the goodness of this country. we experience the goodness of this country every day. it affirms our belief that we made the right choice. but then to see when we got back home, our 40-year-old granddaughter said to her grandmother, why were you so upset? why were you so sad? a 4-year-old person can feel that sadness. yet the candidate for the president of the united states cannot emphasize with the people that he wishes to lead?
>> what was he -- he responded to your question what sacrifices have you made when you so poignantly asked that question at the convention. and as you you know mr. trump has responded to you. e has said the following. i think i've made a lot of sacrifices. i've worked very, very hard. created thousands and thousand of jobs. i think they are sacrifices. i think when i can employ so many thousands of people. take care of so many things. even in military. -- i raise and a have raised millions of dollars for the vets i'm helping the vets a lot. i think my popularity with vets is through the roof. do those constitute the sacrifices that you were referring to him when you were asking him that question? >> i appreciate his statement calling my son a hero. and making this clarification of statement. i appreciate that.
but it sounds so disingenuous because of his policies. because of his rhetoric of hatred of division. of dividing us. and that is why i implored him to read the constitution because that document, it wasn't just showing him the constitution. i was pointing towards the values in that constitution and trying foundation of this wonderful country and this nation. i was in my -- another conversation. i asked and i appealed to the leadership of republican party that they should disassociate themselves. >> made a direct plea to mitch mcconnell by name and paul ryan by name. >> that is correct. >> you said you were fans of both of them. >> correct. i remain, i have tremendous respect for both of them. republican and democrat are as patriotic as anyone else.
this is a political process. it is a wonderful, beautiful political process. but in that political process there are some moral ethical values of this country that need to be maintained and managed. second, now i have haven't seen any -- it seems like my appeals are falling on deaf ears. i implore those patriotic americans that would probably vote for donald trump in november. i appeal to them not to vote for hatred, not to vote for fear mongering. vote for unity. vote for the goodness of this country. vote for liberty and freedom. so my appeal now is to the folks that are going to be thinking to vote for trump. >> you said to me off camera that a lot of republicans have reached out you do in the last couple of days. tell me about the conversations.
>> i had such a -- both of us, mrs. khan and i have had such supporting of love and affection and support from all ranks of the society. several e-mails, these are distinguished, republican. they say all of their lives we have voted republican. not in this election. said, you have touched our hearts. we had these words and these thoughts and feelings in our hearts. but we want you to know that we will not vote republican in this election. >> has any elected republican leader reached out to you? >> i would rather not to disclose the names. that is a personal trust and faith that they have placed by writing to me, by speaking with me. but there are almost one-third of the e-mails and the documents and the calls and the messages
that we continue to receive, the flowers we continue to receive at our home. people are coming in, strangers on the street. this morning i was coming to you. and i stepped out the door of the hotel, and two persons came and gave me hug. i don't know them. and they said, you have done something that our heart always had. you have given words to it. >> mr. khan, thanks for coming in and sharing your story. >> thank you. >> this can't be easy to have to relive this. >> thank you. >> joining me now is the campaign manager for hillary clinton. robbie mook. welcome to "meet the press.pres >> hi chuck. thanks. >> i want to start with the news coming in over the weekend involving your campaign. apparently some version of a hack into your campaign systems the dnc as continuation of it.
what can you clarify? >> well chuck as we've explained in the press, the campaign itself based on everything we've been told by the experts that are monitoring this for us constantly, the campaign itself to our knowledge has not been breached. the system that you are mentioning is a system run by the dnc that our campaign and a number of other entities were utilizing. >> what kind of concern should voters have if the dnc and by extension the clinton campaign can't protect data? >> well chuck, first of all as i said there is absolutely no evidence that the campaign has been breached. i know that the dnc is taking all necessary steps to protect their data and our campaign will continue to do the same. i think what's very disturbing about this entire situation is first that there is a foreign power, aggressively breaking
into data systems, trying to apparently influence the outcome of the campaign. but then we saw the other day that donald trump made comments actually encouraging more of this behavior, more espionage in the race. so i think every voter needs to take note of this. and i find it frightening any presidential campaign for any reason is encouraging this kind of behavior. that is not becoming of someone who's trying to become our commander in chief and president of the united states. >> you heard mr. manefort though. number one, the campaign has since said he was being sarcastic. do you take him at his word on that? and second, mr. manefort says that the issue is where are the 33,000 e-mails? how do you respond? >> first off, chuck, trump only said this is a joke after he came under enormous criticism and pressure for what he said. i'm not sure how credible that
is. he is running to be president of the united states, the person in charge of all of our armed forces. the person in charge of our entire national security apparatus. espionage is never a laughing matter. and in fact this is not a political issue. i don't want to get this confused with the back and forth we might have about economic issues or anything else. this is a matter of national security now. and i find it very frightening that donald trump is encouraging any foreign power to breech a campaign and influence the outcome of an election. >> the 33,000 e-mails, the e-mails that were e delete. they were thought to have no relevance at all to the state department. if there is a way to release them, would you -- would the clinton campaign encourage the public release of those e-mails? >> well look, chuck. this is -- this is settled and over now. secretary clinton went in and testified for 11 hours in front
of a congressional committee. they asked her a lot of questions about this. they came one nothing. the fbi has concluded their look at this issue. and so we're moving on. when hillary's been out there on her economic tour the last few days talking with voters they are asking her about how they can afford college and get a better job. >> i understand that. but if you can release them do you want them released? >> it is just not a relevant discussion anymore. this matter has been concluded. many officials have taken a long look at this and we're just moving forward. >> all right. so you are not taking a position on whether you want to see these e-mails released. >> it is just not a relevant question anymore because this matter has been concluded and you are asking about holy they will e-mails that may or may not be there. so we're just going to stay focused on -- >> i want to talk about the influence of bernie sanders on this campaign. and i want to play with you --
play for you excerpts from bernie sanders, essentially his first big speech after announcing for president and juxtaposed against the speech on thursday night. >> 99% of all new income goes to the top 1%. >> but when more than 90% of the gains have gone to the top 1%, that's where the money is. and we are going to follow the money. >> the wealthiest individuals and the largest corporations that they are going to begin to start paying their fair share of taxes. >> wall street, corporations and the super rich are going to start paying their fair share of taxes. >> make tuition in public colleges and universities free -- >> make college tuition free for
middle class and debt free for all. >> is it fair to say bernie sanders campaign had a big chunk of influence on your acceptance speech? >> well the -- i think the college affordable plan that she mentioned in there, that was something that she and senator sanders worked together on after the primary had concluded. were really proud of that plan as something part of our platform. there were a number of issues where they worked together on the platform. but i actually wish we could have played some of secretary clinton's earlier speeches as well. because she's been talking about how the deck is stacked against middle class for some time. that the wealthiest americans are not paying their fair share. and that we need to start giving working people a fair shot again. in fact that is what she's talking about. that's what she was a talking about yesterday. that is what she's going to be talking about today. on this economic tour she's going in pennsylvania and ohio with senator.
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our panelist here with us. now advising donald trump's super pac. alex covers much of the race. and more great people. where to begin? david brooks. i just want to get your reaction. let's start with the khizr khan. >> you know i've been on this program a lot and have been frequently disturbed by what donald trump said. but never felt as nauseated as when i read his comments. i think it stems from lack of empathy. lack of respect. and lack of basic dnc. and a moral pygmy on the ticket for president. >> alex? >> the -- i'm not sure i'm even
worthy of talking about the sacrifices this family made for a their country. god bless them and they deserve our respect and sorrow and appreciation. i think there is an issue that is worth talking about here. and that is when you look at angela merkel in germany she's about to get thrown out of office because of a part of the world where unfiltered immigration and security has been compromised and trump making a point that we should do something about it. basically letting things happen unfiltered or doing something about it. i think there are perhaps clearer ways to make the point. >> i listen to the words coming out of your mouth i specially in the beginning when you express sympathy for the family and i think there are a lot of people including republicans who wonder why didn't donald trump say that initially and immediately. i talked to a trump loyalist who said in the last 24 hours, i think in two weeks people aren't
going to remember khizr khan's name. i think a lot of people disagree with that. this is something that feels is impactful to republicans as that moment did to donald trump two months ago. >> moments like that that republicans and everyone is going to remember. but people are also going to remember a state department under hillary clinton that ignored requests for security in benghazi and debated what uniforms people should wear while people were left alone to suffer and eventually die. you know,? so i think there are arguments here -- to see hillary clinton portrayed as the candidate of moral clarity and honesty here. i notice mr. khan didn't go that far as to embrace here. >> no i do think this is a moment that will be remembered. it is almost a moment like using your word decency. when joe welch said to joe mccarthy have you no decency? >> you have a powerful story told by a man and the candidate is able to somehow look at the
wife and why didn't she say anything? i had a soldier in combat at the same time. and i don't know what if i would be able to do. how you can assume that that kind of temperamental quality is going to be able to understand other people's points of view, i think he stood as the symbol of pride for muslim americans. maybe everything's topsy-turvy this year but i agree with david. this is going make a difference. >> trump talked about temperament just last week. let me play a clip. >> i think i have the best temperament, or certainly one of the best temperaments of anybody that's ever run for the office of president. ever. because i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. because my whole life i've been winning. >> you wanted to respond. >> one final point. this wasn't just a comment about mr. khan. his campaign took off after san
bernardino when he talked about banning muslims from coming here and we just saw the face of some muslims and that is the reality. as for temperament. i don't know what temperament means. i know the guy can't control his attention span. it's the ultimate act of self control and his mind just goes bing bing bing bing. one thing after another. and it is just a dangerous prospect in a president to have somebody who just can't control what's going to come out of his mouth in the next 30 seconds. >> donald trump has not cost any american soldier his life. hillary clinton's state department, requests for security starting in june of 2011 said please withdraw these requests because they make us look bad. that actually had concrete results. and by the way, if islam were only a religion, than i think there is no single american in this country who would say we should discriminate against that religion. but islam is as the king of jordan has said is at war with
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. >> welcome welcome back. there really is nothing new about the u.s. and russia spying on each other. decade of war and books couldn't have existed without it. look at the americans. but what appears to be sabotaging of hillary clinton's campaign does seem entirely knew. already claimed one victim. debby wasserman schultz.
and wikileaks is promising more to come. coming from the embassy of ecuador in london. currently facing extradition to sweden. leapt me start with the wikileaks core mission. and speaking truth to power. are you concerned that when a foreign government uses our entity, that you have now seen wikileaks get wednesdaponized? >> well on friday, the head of u.s. intelligence said there's been a lot of hyperventilation in the pres and it's even to describe motive at this stage, let alone who it is. well here the exact quote. we don't enough to ascribe -- regardless who it might have been. the -- [inaudible] >> right. >> so that's wrer siding in
terms of the u.s. intelligence. now i think it is extremely interesting however the clinton campaign in order to divert attention from proof that we published that the sanders campaign was subverted. within the dnc. not just simply comments within the dnc but a chain of command, issuing orders to push around without attribution fake stories showing sanders supporters were violent. amongst numerous other measures. and response what does the clinton campaign co-? the clinton campaign tries to take away from a very serious issue and bring in foreign policy. >> mr. assange the easiest way to clear this up -- >> so concerning is that even to the head of the --. the clinton campaign is pulling the government, the state of politics along with it to create
an international conflict. >> this is unusual but -- >> -- [inaudible]. >> i understand. the easy way way to clear this up. would you be able to say categorically that a foreign ghovt did notten hand you this material? the issue at hand here is the idea that a foreign government is using you as a go between. using wikileaks. there is no longer about accountability on public figures. this is one foreign government going after another foreign government using yous a intermediary. that seems to be a different deal as, for instance, to a whistle blower handing material over to expose something. >> what i can say categorically is that we have published proof that the election campaign of bernie sanders was sabotaged in a corrupt manner by debby wasserman schultz and others within the dnc. we can say that categorically.
and as to anything else we can only speculate. i do think it is an interesting question. of course as to who our sources are. but as a source protection organization, many sources from across the world of many different types rely on to protect their identities and their right to communicate the truth to the public. and that is what we're talk about here communicating the truth -- >> i totally understand that. but i got to ask you though when a foreign government gets involved there is a difference there. when a foreign government gets involved you just said yourself that is an interesting question. transparency on wikileaks, why not be fully transparent and said here is the material. where it comes from doesn't change the facts in the material. but it is helpful to know if a foreign government is involved, isn't that crucial information to civilians? >> i think that is an interesting question. the difficulty that wikileaks
has of course is that we can't go around speculating on who our sources are. that would be irresponsible. >> you can't speculate. you know the answer. mr. assange, you say you can't go around speculate. do you not know the answer? >> we don't give any material away as to who our sources are. it is a security matter. we have a perfect track record of -- >> okay. let me ask you this. do you accept -- >> -- information. [inaudible] and on the other hand of never revealing our sources. >> let me ask you this. do you, without revealing your source on this, do you accept information and leak documents from foreign governments? >> well, our publishing model means are what we publish is guaranteed to be true. that is what we are concerned about. that is what our readers are concerned about. that is the right of the general public to not --
>> isn't the right of the public to also know the motive of the leaker? >> very serious true information which is producing great investigative journalism in the united states. and is continuing to do so as each day passes by. but i think the real question is what is the legitimacy now and what is the accountability of what has occurred within the democratic campaign where we have clear proof of sabotage. it is already seen one head resign. our sources within the dnc say that they believe more heads are going to roll. but what about the election? what is the regress for the people that have effectively one can argue have had a candidate stolen from them as a result of corrupt practices within dnc. >> does that not trouble you at all if a foreign government is trying to metal in the affairs of another foreign government? >> well it is an interesting
speculative question that's for the press and others to -- >> that doesn't bother you. that is not part of the wikileaks -- >> well it is a meta story. if you are asking would we accept information from u.s. intelligence that we had verified to be completely kt l accurate and would we publish that and would we protect ourselves and the -- then yes we would. >> appreciate the time. and in the spirit of wikileaks transparency and our own we'll post the full unedited interview on our website, "meet the press." coming up. lots of more ♪
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i want to look at the election map and why the industrial midwest is so skruscrucial to d trump. hillary clinton leading right now with a 256 electoral votes. and donald trump leading in states that add up to 191. leaves survive states in the gray area. let's give her florida and for other swing states as well. for the sake of argument give them to her, colorado ux and florida. and another 37 electoral votes. game over right? not necessarily. in trump has a strategy that works and she scores in the industrial midwest. pennsylvania, ohio, michigan and wisconsin. throw in iowa, new hampshire and in evidence also with blue collar voters in it. and it would get trump to 271 electoral votes. one more than he needs.
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2-d foll the following. i was viciously attacked by mr. khan at the convention. am i not allowed to respond? >> once again it shows the question of temperament. when he says i have a winning temperament because i've won my whole life. he doesn't understand. our greatest leaders have learned from family, and learned from loss. abraham lincoln was nearly suicidal. fdr lost his ability to walk. and he came back with great irempathy and understanding. you learn from making mistakes. you manage negative emotions as you said. you learn somehow so listen. you have empathy for people. that is good qualities that make up temperament. so i think this race is about temperament. i absolutely do. >> alex, i got to get you in on this. >> i think it is an election maybe it is a choice between temperament and character. you know, is it a new testament election where things are going swimmingly and we turn the other
cheek? or is this an old testament election where we could lose it all and an eye for an eye. character and strength are important here too. and we're in washington. we're the protected class. we're going to survive this election without disturbance no matter what, right. but that is not true for the rest of america. this is an existential choice for a lot of families. and i think we ought to have a little bit more. temperament can be a little aggressive sometimes, sure. but you need strength to hold the country together and get us out of the ditch here. >> what strikes me about that tweet. and he says am i not allowed to respond. >> it is not that you are not not allowed to response. it's that you don't have to respond to all of it. and sometimes it feels he's taking the democrats or hillary clinton are putting things out and he's taking the bait. >> they are clearly baiting him. >> we've learned there is no reverse gear on his car. he's about going forward. >> they clearly bait him and he
does take it. >> i don't think we're in new testament or old, it's dante's inferno. seventh circle ol hell. >> you both are frightening me. >> there was some basic decency in the old testament. for him to have any chance of winning, i think the maps matter less this year. because we're not playing by the normal rules of politics. we may not be playing baseball o anymore. the violence of the world may have created a ve ed d a vortexe of these rouls apply. and frankly if there is string of isisis attackers and --. >> when i was think tact khan thing and thinking about the two responses. really is macro, micro. in the individual this seems totally nuts the way he responds to these things. but he sticks to this macro
argument of insecurity. >> and it resonates with people on the campaign trail, at the rallies where he's doubling down on all the comments he's made. people are responding and that is sometimes difficult to see in washington or in new york. when you get out into places like cedar rapids or dovn davenport. i was in scranton this week. people were going nuts for him still. it is a different feeling when you are out there. >> that's what we miss i think in washington is the urgency of the moment. it doesn't seem urgent for us, for the political class. but for a lot of america they see a country facing decline. and they think this may be our last chance do something about it. >> you know, it does if there was one thing i thought donald trump's speech felt darker than i feel like america is. and there were times i think hillary clinton's speech felt more opt iimistic. what is it and what is the public seeing?
>> i think somewhere in the middle of those two points is where the country is. the country still feels, i bet most people do that we're the greatest country in the world. i agree with that. in which hillary said. but there are lots of problems and the problems with that middle class struggling have been going on for decades and decades. the problems of globalization. the feeling they don't have a decent job. that they are struggling for their kids and i don't think either party has answered those problems for a while. that group is out there. and it is going to be the democratic challenge to really talk to them not just in policy but in emotional terms. >> that is what bernie did talk to them a little more emotionally. >> trump is connecting emotionally. the democrats are connecting politically. >> can i just say there are two countries here. with one feeling extreme pain. opiate addiction all around. a basic severance, if i do this then i get that. and that's been severed. and both conventions featured 20
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that count. if donald trump is competitive if those states he has a shot. >> competitive, you have to win all three. >> win all three and i think also because tim kaine is going take virginia, make that very difficult. i think it is going to be very tough. i think that brings north carolina into play. >> your final four that you care about. >> that's what you want to keep an eye on. >> ohio panz, florida and north carolina. >> and -- that much of a difference right now moving the needle. the conventions are earlier than they have been. the olympics start soon. i don't know that the american public is tuning in and paying attention. >> -- >> goes to your point david, this doesn't feel like a conventional campaign. actually doesn't even feel like oh let's target this state by state. this feels like a nationalized campaign in a way we have never seen. >> about national mood. why trump was here and bernie sanders was here. and frankly if you are trying to win pennsylvania.
these are long shots. >> pennsylvania is like ohio this year. trump has rearranged the map. there is that, you know, this is the angry working class guy election and one of the questions, is the angry white guy, is that a stronger component of this election than the hopeful -- >> and endorse the maps are always the same until they are not. meaning an election. you know, we swear to god this is the map until we have an election that up ends it. >> do you know what saddens me about the map. look at the huge number of states are that reliably --. why are we so polarized. because people are living next to people who believe the same thing as the people next to them. this is not good for a country who needs a collective experience. >> and maybe we don't even understand the experience the other side is having. >> absolutely. >> perfect way to end the show. that's all for today. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."
>> good afternoon on this sunday. msnbc world news headquarters in new york. this afternoon we're following the wide spread recollection to donald trump who's not backing off his controversial comments about parents of a fallen u.s. hero. trump saying he had the right to respond. but it was original comments in a pre taped interview parts of which were released saturday morning bringing outrage from all sides. >> his wife. if you look at his wife, she was standing there. she had nothing to say. she probably -- maybe