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idea. it is the place where lies unravel, and alibis crumble. >> our job as homicide detectives are to speak for the dead. >> the interrogation room, or as police call it, the box. >> okay. sure. let's see the body in the bathtub. >> in the college town of austin, texas, a government major is grilled about mutilating a romantic rival. >> you're the jealous girlfriend. jealous girlfriends make great killers. >> i've never seen one criminal
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act engender the kind of outpouring of absolute hate, revulsion, and disgust that laura's case did. >> help me. >> in florida, a teenager is told he helped murder his elderly relatives. >> you're going to tell me something went bad? >> i don't know. >> bostick said i don't know. by my account, 285 times. >> now, go where cases can be made or broken. caught on camera presents "inside the box." austin, texas, august 26th, 2005.
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>> i never been in this situation like this before. >> i hope this is the only time you ever go through it. >> i want to go home. believe you me, you guys model citizen when i walk out of here seriously. i'm not even making jokes. >> university of texas undergrad laura ashley hall assures detectives she knows little about the murder and dismemberment of jennifer cave. her 21-year-old romantic rival. >> i don't want you to tell me anything that's not true. >> yeah. >> i don't need that. >> i'm not willing to lie. >> i just -- >> in one of the monitor rooms at the austin police department unit. i was watching the interview. and nearly ten years that i've been a homicide detective with the austin police department, i don't know i've come across another individual that has been as vile or intent on distorting the truth as laura ashley hall. >> i disagree with the
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detectives. i respect them. i know they work hard. but they're wrong. >> laura's attorney jim sawyer finds deep flaws in both the way investigators conduct the interview, and the interrogation process in general. >> the entire thing is designed to make you look bad. from the moment they get you in custody, what they want is that you accept responsibility for having committed a crime. that's what interrogation is about. >> but the austin police contend their ambition is uncovering the truth. a goal they say they begin pursuing the moment they receive this 911 call from jennifer cave's mother. >> please hurry. please hurry. >> what's the emergency? ma'am, hello? >> police are eventually directed to austin's west campus neighborhood, home to colton
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patoniak, a merit scholar finalist and drug dealer, romantically involved with laura hall and jennifer cave. after failing to hear from her daughter, jennifer's mother and her fiance forced their way into colton's apartment, encountering a grisly sight in the bathtub. >> her head was severed as was her hands in an attempt to remove the possibility of obtaining any dental work or finger prints. so there is a saying common among homicide detective, i have it inscribed on the bracelet on my wrist, let the dead teach the living. our job as homicide detectives are to speak for the dead because they have got a family that is going to have to continue on without them.
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to pursue that mission, detective fugate begins exploring 6th street, the epicenter of austin's night life and the party scene that brought laura hall and colton p atoniak together. >> laura hall was infatuated with colton but colton was dating jennifer cave at the time. once colton revealed to her the body was in the bathtub, laura hall may have taken part in the mutilation of the body as far as stabbing jennifer cave in the upper torso, stabbing her on the right side of the face, and firing the round into the cranial vault of her head. >> six days later, authorities track laura and colton to a hotel room in the mexican border town. but laura isn't arrested. instead, police advise her family to pick her up and take
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her home. >> she was still subject of the investigation, but we weren't clear as to her level of involvement. so at that point she was not a suspect. >> colton is charged with jennifer's murder. and brought to a local detention center to be interview ed. >> that's absolutely your right to do, okay. >> investigators then drive to laura's parents home, but when they turn on their tape recorder, laura appears unwilling to help them build a case against colton. >> i don't believe he did it. i really don't. >> in fact, laura describes the trip to mexico not as a flight from justice, but a romantic vacation. >> i was very excited that he wanted me to go on a trip with
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him. i was, like, i -- i didn't think twice. >> but three days later, detectives capitalize on another opportunity to question laura. instructing her to come to austin police headquarters to pick up her impounded car. then escorting her inside the box where the interrogation room. >> i hope you didn't find any inconsistencies. >> well, there were a lot of inconsistencies, but -- >> we knew her involvement was much greater than she initially led us to believe. >> i hope to speak to my attorney. >> okay. >> obviously. >> all right, so you have nothing else to tell us? you're not going to change -- >> sir, i'm sorry. >> mark gilchrist, the lead detective, already knows he's going to put her in jail.
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there is already a warrant. >> you don't want to talk to me without your attorney, that's what you're telling me? >> but he plays a game with her, until what? until she he ises, y s until what? until she he ises, yays, you kni want a lawyer. >> if you're saying i might be in some kind of trouble. oh, my god. >> laura ashley hall, you're under arrest. >> since the last conversation, police have been carefully scrutinizing this image of the pretty government major driving her boyfriend over the border. that's enough to charge her with assisting in colton's escape. but investigators suspect her involvement goes much deeper. and continues to pursue more serious charges. >> oh, my god. what's going to happen? >> you're going to go to jail. >> what did i -- oh, my god. sir, what do you want to know? >> i want to know the truth.
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>> if a person is not under arrest, you don't have the right to have an attorney present during any questioning. she was free to leave. once they informed her she was under arrest, the whole ball game changed. and she's entitled to an attorney. and if she invoked her right at that point, the interview would have been terminated. >> what we can deal with right now is do you want to make things right and talk to us and give us a statement or do you want to -- >> so you want to know -- >> hoping to distance herself from any wrongdoing, kwlalaura about to tell detectives her account. >> he had the knife up, he licked it, put his sotongue -- >> but can anyone believe her version of events using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar
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august 26th, 2005. >> i need you to stand up and empty all your pockets. >> okay. >> you always carry your passport in your pocket? >> laura ashley hall, the university of texas government major, just shy of her 22nd birthday, has come to austin police headquarters expecting to pick up an impounded car. instead, detectives place her under arrest for helping boyfriend colton patoniak escape to mexico after he kills another girlfriend, 21-year-old jennifer cave. >> i want to know the truth about what happened from the 18th to the time that you crossed back over the border and i don't want you to tell me right now, okay. i don't want you to tell me right now because you have asked for an attorney.
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i'm going to walk out of this room, okay. >> he's taking that extra step to make it clear that laura hall does not have to talk to him any further. >> detective david fugate is watching the interview from an adjoining room. he and lead detective mark gilchrist have been working the case since jennifer cave's body is found headless and handless. in colton's bathtub, eight days earlier. >> do you understand what i want you to do? >> yes, i do. >> think about that. when i come back, you make a decision. >> absolutely. >> all right. >> i interpreted that as false caution on his part. i think it was an effort to make laura hall feel like he was looking out for her. >> okay. >> okay what? >> i'll talk to you. >> okay. >> according to laura, she receives an early morning phone call from colton on august 17th,
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2005. and accepts an invitation to visit his apartment near the university of texas. >> i saw somebody's purse on the floor. i asked him about it. and he wouldn't tell me who had been there. and told me to shut up. and quit being a -- about things. >> is that how he talks to you like that? >> sometimes, yeah. >> she denied having any knowledge of the murder at all and then bit by bit she would give up a little bit of detail, enough to let us know that there was more information still to be gleaned from the interview. >> i knew about it. >> okay. >> but i knew there was a body in the bathtub. >> as we're interview ing somebody, we'll go through and have them lay out their story and chronological order. then we'll go back and we'll ask
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them things in reverse order and it is extremely difficult for somebody to lie in reverse. >> i saw shoes, i saw shorts. and he goes -- you don't believe me. come see. okay. sure. let's see the body in your bathtub. you know, yeah, right. open the shower curtain and the there is a body in the bathtub. >> you never saw a face? at that point, did you know who it was? >> ino, i had never met her. i knew she had been shady
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before. >> okay. how do you know she had been shady before if you didn't know who it was? >> he told me about her. look, jennifer, there are other girls he knows, every girl he knows is sketched out. >> laura hall considered colton to be her boyfriend. so once colton revealed to her the body was in the bathtub -- >> and he told me she came in and shot at him. >> okay. >> and missed. and that he shot her. he said, in the head. >> okay. >> he also said he shot her in the chest. >> she's trying at all times to outsmart them. i think she clearly thinks she's the smartest person in the room.
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>> might be important forensically to know did you have sex with him that day in the bed or anywhere in the apartment? >> on the couch. >> the couch, okay. >> before he showed you the body or after? >> after. >> was it intercourse or was it oral sex? >> they have this young girl in a small room with a video camera going on above her head, knowing everything they know about interrogations becoming public, the cops ask her if they had sex after laura arrived at the apartment. you can almost see body parts and intercourse, copulation, oral sex, what kind of a
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question is that? it is because even the cops are fascinated by this bizarre turn of events in the case. >> laura says within 24 hours, she and colton are in mexico, she calls herself a reluctant driver, despite describing their journey as a romantic holiday during a prior interview. >> i never intended on purpose to help colton hide. i'm being held captive, i played for my life the best i could. >> what laura doesn't realize is that a mexican acquaintance e-mailed this photo to detectives. >> on vacation, you're having a good time. that's what it looks like, right? >> i think it looks like a fake smile.
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>> now, as she sees her freedom ero eroding, she's ready to once again change her story. but will a jury ever get to hear it? >> what could be more important to show a jury than you're having sex feet away from the dismembered body of a young girl. hear it all... and feel it all... all summer long. ♪ jeep renegade -- it's how we live 4 by 4 summer. ♪ now you can't spell nutriam i right?t nut, i mean whose to say it's pronounced nu-triton, anyway? my mixes contain delicious nuts, specially blended for your optimal nut-rition. that's right, i just changed a word in the english dictionary, forever. planters. nutrition starts with nut.
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austin, texas, august 26th, 2005. away from the swirl of activity on 6th street, university of texas undergraduate laura ashley hall finds herself alone in an interrogation room, contemplating the possibility of prison. police have already charged laura with hindering apprehension for driving boyfriend colton patonia can to mexico after he kills his other girlfriend, 21-year-old jennifer cave.
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investigators also suspect laura of dismembering the corpse in colton's bathtub, cutting off the head and hands to prevent identification. >> didn't say anything about handling the body. >> i didn't touch the body. >> didn't say anything about handling things with -- >> i didn't touch the hacksaw. >> didn't talk about a hacksaw. >> we didn't. i read it in the paper. >> you believe everything you read in the paper? >> no. >> how did you know there was a hacksaw involved? >> he told me he went and bought the hacksaw. he confessed that. >> laura is in the box for more than eight hours. tweaking, revising and sometimes inventing her narrative. >> he said three people came into his apartment, one of them was jen, they had guns. >> she is desperately telling one lie after another and they came in shooting at him. he said he killed three people. >> he say where the rest of them
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are speupposed to be? >> yeah. >> and what did he say? >> he said he dumped them. >> yet in between the inaccuracies, detectives say they find a few nuggets of truth they need to further the case against colton. >> there is relief after the interrogation because we were able to gather details that we would not have otherwise. >> despite her description of colton as an intimidating drug user who at one stage in laura's story runs his tongue down a bloody knife, she refuses to testify at his 2007 trial for jennifer's murder. >> he said he doesn't remember how it happened, but when he came out of the influence of the alcohol and drugs, his friend jennifer cave was dead in his apartment. as far as all of the mutilation and all of the aftermath, he blamed all of that on laura.
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>> colton is convicted of murder and sentenced to 55 years. and sometime prior to her own trial, laura tattoos his name on her ankle, a bewildering her choice her lawyer attributed to her instability. >> i think that laura is bipolar. there is a picture of her coming into the trial and she looks like she's interviewing for miss america. she's smiling. it is all bad affect. but dear god, tell me, is that evidence relevant to determination of whether or not you committed a crime? >> because she opts not to take the stand at either trial, the best available barometer of her character can be found on the interrogation tapes. >> colton owed about $2,000 to the asian mafia. he thought they were going to kill him over the money. >> yet prosecutors never allowed jurors to hear these statements.
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>> i have never seen a state miss an opportunity to present an interrogation. >> i know it is embarrassing and it is hard to have to ask, okay, was it intercourse or was it oral sex? >> what could be more important to show a jury than the callous disregard for the fact you are having sex feet away from the dismembered body of a young girl, but they don't do it. and the question is why not? the flip side of that coin is it is callousness on the part of two detectives who act in reckless disregard of the bounds of common human decency. >> we did not introduce the interrogation at trial because we felt like it was manipulative and self-serving and we would have preferred to have been able to cross-examine her on her story. >> even without laura's statement, prosecutors are confident her dna on both the machete used in the
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dismemberment and the gunfired into the corpse will convince jurors that laura mutilated her rival for colton's affections. on september 1st, 2007, laura is convicted of tampering with evidence, for cutting up jennifer's body and hindering apprehension for driving colton to mexico. nonetheless, because of a procedural dispute involving the penalty phase, laura decides to appeal her five-year sentence, but this time, bill bishop is prepared to let jurors hear the defendant's words. not from the interrogation, but a series of recorded jailhouse phone conversations. >> i'm pretty mad, there are a lot of people that are going to pay for this. i hate them with a passion. >> among the targets of laura's anger, jennifer cave's mother, sharon. >> she's going down. one way or another. >> i remember the words.
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they're burned in my memory. i think the next question that was played in that conversation was what about that [ bleep ] judge and she responds, when i get out of jail this time, i'm going to march down to his office and i'm going to slap that [ bleep ] is what she said. and the judge is sitting there listening too. >> in july 2010, laura's appeal results in her sentence being doubled to ten years. for detective david fugate, the information culled from the interrogation of laura ashley hall ultimately fulfills his mission of giving voice to the dead. >> the bottom line is to find out the facts of the case. not necessarily all about the conviction. it is about finding the truth. >> coming up --
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central florida, april 10th, 2008. >> they figure out what happened to put the puzzle together and then the people that decided they want to wheel and deal, they start talking. >> 18-year-old alex bostick listens to detective phil laken explain his philosophy. >> i'm the guy, i think about this case at night, i dream about this case. >> alex has come to the sheriff's office to talk about a double homicide. >> this is not going to stand. >> i had no idea i was a suspect in any of that.
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>> alex is the only boy with three sisters and a single mom. he was just a redneck boy that went hunting and fishing and loved being in the woods with all of his friends. >> he considers the homicide victims 84-year-old patrick depoemia and his 79-year-old wife evelyn likable but doesn't relatives. >> the de palmas were my great uncle and aunt. evelyn was my grandfather's sister. the children and i went over there and scrubbed her house and did all kinds of stuff for her. >> on october 28th, 2006, an intruder drives up to the de palma's remote home in the small
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community. >> they were stabbed and cut multiple times. mrs. de palma is located in the back bedroom. mr. de palma was in that hallway. >> 16 at the time of the murders. >> by the time the police visit his home, two years after the crime, alex is a senior at taen tampa's freedom high school. >> alex is a good old country boy, he says, yes, sir, i do. and alex said, do you hunt and he says, yeah, but i hunt men and once you hunt men, it is a totally different game. >> alex then drives himself to the sheriff's office, gets issued a guest pass, and goes inside the box with detective
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laken. >> i've never been interrogated or whatever you call it. >> not interrogated. it is called you helping me out, man. >> i was pro law enforcement. seemed like they would be good people. >> here is the thing, this is phil and alex talking here. phil, a man too, and 18 and didn't want my mom knowing [ bleep ] that i was doing. >> made me more comfortable saying it is me and you talking, almost seemed as if it was off record. >> do you think it was something that somebody would have intentionally gone just to hurt them. what do you think? think something went wrong? >> he is providing a scenario which is not unusual for an investigator to do or detective to do. >> i knew my girlfriend was outside and couple of friends were waiting for me to come back
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and we were going to have a fire in the woods. >> but before alex leaves, police ask him to take a lie detector test, on a computerized voice stress analyzer or cvsa. >> what this does is it measures the stress in the voice. so as long as you tell the truth, you'll be able to pass this with no problem. i'll be the best friend you got today. >> cool. >> once again, alex is asked a series of general questions about the double homicide. >> do you know anything about how they were killed or anything? >> someone broke in there, and murdered them from what i heard, so i'm guessing my uncle tried to fight back or something. >> what do you think should happen to the people that killed your aunt and uncle? >> i think they should be locked up. >> is there any reason why you shouldn't be able to pass that? >> no. >> alex thinks the test is over, but the detectives tell him the computer has malfunctioned.
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>> the reason why you get eye blue screen, which mean the computer shuts down. >> yeah. >> that's what happened with this one, just shut down. so we have got two of them here, we use them so often. let me get this one cranked up. >> we have to redo all the questions. >> computers, i think as we all know, although they are of great assistance, sometimes they're a problem. and i've seen that happen in other investigations by other law enforcement agencies. if the question is, was that a ploy by the examiner, i don't believe it was. i don't have any evidence to indicate that it was. >> still, alex seems bothered by the mishap. >> ready to go. >> i'll have you out of here before you know it. >> do me a favor, take the microphone and hold it in front of your mouth. just hold it, just like that.
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>> i never heard of a voice analysis, but i was doing everything i could to try to clear up whatever their thought s were. and i had had no doubts on the answers i had given. i was extremely confident. >> but alex will remain in the sheriff's department deep into the night as the atmosphere and the interrogation room radically changes. >> there is no way i was there. >> you were there. >> how? using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink every day is a chance to dop,s something great.. business. and for the ones they love, they'd do anything.
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>> is this the month of april. >> a sheriff detective administers a lie detector test to 18-year-old alex bostick, repeatedly asking about his elderly relatives, pat and evelyn de palma. slain in the course of a burglary, in the rural community two years earlier. >> my mom ever show up? >> yeah. she's here. >> methodically, investigators compile the results of the computerized voice stress analyzer or cvsa exam. alex is unprepared for what comes next. >> this is indicative of a lie, very, very strong lie. that question was, do you know who killed your aunt and uncle. you said no. this shows that you were lying, that, yes, you do know who killed your aunt and uncle. this test you lied on both questions -- >> that was supposed to look like a truth -- >> no, that's not. that's a lie.
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>> i don't know anything about it. i really don't. >> they were definitely lying to me about the voice analysis test. we had nothing to hide. i was doing my best to answer any question they had about this. >> know the examer. i'm not a cvsa expert by any means. but based upon the materials that he had, that was his opinion. >> i haven't done anything. >> you failed it miserably. >> can i retake it? >> no, it is twice you have taken it and failed it miserably. i want to work with you, but i don't want to work with you if you're going to keep lying to me. >> i was getting quite disturbed with the entire situation and stating to them several times i couldn't even tell you how many i wasn't there and that i was innocent. >> please, stop for a second, please. first of all -- >> don't touch me. >> i'm really sorry. just i don't know what to do. >> what you need to do is -- >> i didn't do anything.
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>> i don't know where i could have been. i don't know. >> i'm so scared. it is not even funny. i'm so [ bleep ] scared. i didn't know what to do. >> definitely took away any personal space that was there. when we first started talking, he was on the opposite side of the table from me. and little further into the interrogation he moved his chair up towards mine and was sitting rather close. >> that whole body language, kinetic thing, i know there is a theory behind it. rubbing their shoulder, their back, or patting them on the knee, you know, it will be all right, i'll take care of things. >> over and over again. detective phil laken tries drawing out alex by downplaying his presumed role in the murders, portraying the teen as an unwitting accomplice in a robbery gone wrong. >> sick to your stomach over
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what happened. you probably wanted to puke when it did happen. you wanted to puke when this happened. see that? >> as night fall he ddescends oe sheriff's office, alex's mother kelly bostick maintains a vigil outside the interrogation room. >> they said, we have to close the station, you have to wait outside. i said, what? my son is in here. i want my son, you know. and they said, well we're not done talking with him yet. he knew more than we thought. >> can my mom come in here for a second. >> you're an adult. we're going to resolve this together. >> i can't, though. >> not allowing my mother to come in worsened the situation a lot. from the lower self-esteem, lower confidence level i was at, it just plummeted from there. >> were you [ bleep ] up? >> i didn't do anything but weed and alcohol in me entire life.
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>> slowly, alex says the questions begin to impact the interview. >> i didn't do anything that i can remember. unless they gave me something. i don't know. >> who do you think gave you something? >> i don't know. >> i'm trying. >> you've been carrying the weight of this around for way too long. >> i'm trying to find everything. >> i don't ever remember going inside their house. >> okay. you were there. >> i was inside. >> you were at the house. >> was i inside, though? i'm trying to play the scenario that would make sense. something that's true. >> i was trying to put together anything i could that would help. >> i'm trying to remember and all i see is, like, little flashes and all looks like i'm trying to make something up. >> go ahead. it's okay. you can tell me.
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central florida, april 10th, 2008. >> tell me how it went down. >> i didn't do it, man. >> how it went bad. >> after denying his role in a double homicide for several hours, alex bostick is about to tell the investigators about the deaths of his elderly relatives, pat and evelyn de palma, two years earlier. >> son -- >> i'm trying to tell you. i know i passed it.
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>> for much of the interrogation, alex has refused to place himself anywhere near the crime scene. now he says he visited the de palma home with two older acquaintances named keith and brian, to commit a burglary. the story is consistent with the theory detective phil laken has been advancing in the interview room. >> i wouldn't be capable of doing anything like that, which i believe is why the story i came up with included the two other suspects. >> gave me something but i didn't want to take it. >> little round pills. >> do you remember how many there were? >> a couple. >> just try to get drugs, or something. >> what else would he be trying to find? >> only thing i would look forward to is money.
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>> i thought if he heard a little bit of what he wanted to hear, i was going to get let go. a knife or something. outside. >> you were outside? where outside were you? >> going to keith's car. >> for what? >> his phone. >> when you went back inside the house, tell me what you knew and what you saw, what you heard. >> hollering. >> what were they saying while they were hollering? >> something wasn't supposed to happen. >> what wasn't spoiz esupposed happen. >> i guess mainly from watching tv, like piece together how i would think a murder scene would go down. >> sometime during the night, the prosecutor, former dade county police officer, receives a call from the sheriff's office. >> i said, well, don't arrest him for the murder.
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perhaps at best he may be an accessory. >> i wasn't there. please stop -- please stop asking me these questions. >> bostick said i don't know, by my count 285 times. i can't or i don't remember 163 times. >> what you tell me is something went bad. >> i don't know. >> what the detective felt were admission to certain factual aspects were only made after the detective directly or indirectly provided that information to mr. bostick. >> it is all right, man. you remembered quite a bit so far. you're doing a great job. >> are my parents here? >> i'll check right now. >> by about 11:00 that night, my
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ex-husband showed up banging on the doors for someone to let us in and get to my son. the detectives looked at me and said, he was there. he was at the crime scene when it happened. and i said, he's a good boy. you know, he doesn't deserve this. and he said, ted bundy's mother said he was a good boy too. >> the county sheriff's office declined to discuss alex's case with msnbc. when alex's father dave bostick gains access to the interrogation room, the teen has been there for more than eight hours. >> one thing he's always been able to do is keep me calm. >> i came here today, i didn't believe i had anything to do with it until the lie detector, and they said they had evidence of me that i was there. >> that's all kind of a ploy. >> but alex's parents are about
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to deliver the worst news possible. you're being charged -- >> with. >> murder. >> all right. >> sorry. we're just right in the middle of it. we'll have the attorney here and do as much as we can as soon as i can. >> i'm calling again right now. >> he said what are they going to do to me? and i wiped his tears and i was just, like, i don't know. >> going for a ride, brother. >> because he was 16 at the time of the murders, alex is transported to a juvenile detention facility, where he's placed in solitary confinement. >> i knew there was only two things that could happen, either they were going to figure out they were wrong, and i was going to be okay, or i was going to sit in jail for a while. >> there was a meeting later on in the morning with the
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sheriff's office, they were of the belief that the interview of him was sufficient and that further dna testing would prove that. and i can remember saying, well, if his dna isn't there, there's no case there. >> in fact, despite the long interrogation, dna would eventually link the murder of the de palmas not to alex, but a troubled ex-marine named robert jardine. a stereo, vacuum cleaner and set of keys stolen from the couple would also be found in jardine's possession. >> he did say when asked that bostick was not involved in the murder. >> this is reinforced by phone records that show alex in tampa about 35 miles from the de palma
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home at the time of the crime. >> i know of no evidence that ties him to the homicide. >> in 2010, the jury concurs, convicting robert jardine of the double homicide, perpetrated in the course of robbing the de palma's property. alex is released from juvenile detention after 20 days. when prosecutors refuse to present his case to a grand jury. authorities expunge the arrest from his record, clearing the way for alex to pursue his dream of joining the u.s. military. >> this is so wrong. something's not right. >> i never watched the interrogation, mainly because i've tried to put it behind me. i guess you could say it was an important lesson in my life and that's how i try to keep it. i don't like to think negatively about any person or any event.
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and if i watch it, i have a feeling i would have a different opinion. it is the place where lies unravel. and alibis crumble. >> why wouldn't you abduct him? tell me that. >> the interrogation room, or as cops call it, the box. >> remember, he doesn't like you. he doesn't trust you. and he doesn't respect you and you've got to overcome those three things before you're going to get a confession. >> in california, a seasoned detective takes us along for a psychological showdown with a suspected serial rapist. >> what pushed you into the idea of

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