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does weigh in on the khan family again. he stirred up that controversy again this morning. but also just a few minutes ago, he waded into another controversy he kicked up over the weekend. this one over vladimir putin and ukraine. >> a couple of papers said donald trump doesn't realize that the crimea was already taken. i know, two years ago, approximately. okay. approximately. it was taken during obama's watch. >> as we say, it's trump's war of words with the khan family, and his latest remarks on russia that are looming large at this rally. we're keeping an eye on it. we'll let you know if he addresses those subjects. also on our agenda, classified or not? hillary clinton stirring controversy of her own with an appearance on fox news that's drawn some scrutiny after new comments about her e-mails. her campaign manager on the defensive today on "morning
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joe." >> what the director of the fbi testified is that he did not see a basis to believe she knew the information in question was classified when she received it. >> "the washington post" fact checker giving clinton's answer on fox news this weekend four pinocchios. we'll dig into what she said with her campaign press secretary. that's ahead. and the road to 270 goes straight through the rocky mountain state. once a safely red bastion but colorado has become bluer and bluer in recent elections. so blue, in fact, that donald trump, some people think, may not have much of a shot of winning it back. >> when he stands and says he's going to deport 11 million people. we're thinking about our brothers and our sisters. >> so we're going to head over to the big board in a little bit and show you how colorado does or maybe doesn't fit into the road map for donald trump. and we are going to look at the states that are absolute musts
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for him, if he's going to have any shot of winning in november. that's coming up later. we start with our top story. nbc hallie jackson is in columbus. that's where donald trump is speaking right now in columbus, ohio. she joins us from there. hallie, obviously, the weekend news was dominated by donald trump. his comments, his back and forth through the media with the khan family. everybody here right now, i think, came in part wondering what will donald trump say. so far, so, the answer appears to be nothing. >> correct. you are absolutely right. that's what we've seen from donald trump at least in person today. nothing. he got on stage maybe 15 minutes ago. as you noted. but did not address the controversy with the khans. he did say he will take some questions from the audience. this was billed originally as a town hall here in columbus. the crowd seated behind me here. the question is, will anybody ask donald trump about this directly? i tried to ask donald trump about this directly about a half an hour ago when he called the
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media out for an impromptu informal press conference but trump came out and delivered about a 45-second diatribe against the local fire marshal here for not allowing everybody who wanted to come into the rally inside. this is a complaint we've heard from trump in the past. he often likes to tout his crowd size, and he does often drawa hundreds if not thousands of people to his events. but he did not talk about what the headline has been the last three days, and that's the khan fam family. waiting to see for a candidate very goat at staying on top of the media narrative. one thing he mentioned is the tweets he sent out this morning referencing the khans had been on television, including on "morning joe," on the "today" show, the khan family discussing the controversy. trump tweeting about it. his remarks in the context of surprise, if you will, or amusement at how the media will react to his tweets rather than
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a paper statement his campaign might put out. we're watching to see if donald trump will talk about this, if anybody in the audience will ask about this. as we talk about the folks in the audience, many of trump's supporters unfazed by what's happening. also a team up at ft. bragg talking with veterans and folks who have family or who are in the military. and the response from them, we spoke with one gentleman who said he's unhappy with trump's comments but he believes there are bigger issues that folks need to worry about it rather than offending one person or one family. steve? >> hallie jackson in klcolumbus ohio. trump has yet to weigh in any more on that back and forth he's been having through the media with the khan family. it had appeared that trump's campaign was ready to try to move on from this last night. that may be what donald trump is trying to do right now. last night it appeared donald trump was going to be ready to move on from this. he had his running mate mike pence put out a statement that tried to clarify the campaign's
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view. donald trump and i believe that captain khan is an american hero and his family, like all gold star families, should be cherished by every american. continuing by suspending immigration from countries compromised by terrorism, rebuilding our military, defeating isis at its source and projecting strength on the global stage. we will reduce the likelihood that other american families will endure the heartbreak of the khan family. that was last night. first thing this morning, donald trump reiginated the storm after khan himself appeared on morning television. trump treating, mr. khan who does not know me viciously attacked me from the stage of the dnc and is now all over tv doing the same. nice. now as a backdrop to all of this, this is how the weekend was filled in news coverage. it was dominated by donald trump and the khans going back and forth. take a look. >> there comes a time in the history of a nation where a
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moral stand has to be taken regardless of the political cost. >> i saw him. he was very emotional and probably looked like a nice guy to me. his wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. she had nothing to say. she probably -- maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. >> please, mr. trump, i am not a fighter. i can't fight. so the best thing i did was fight. >> what sacrifices have you made? >> i work very, very hard. i've created thousands and thousands of jobs. tens of thousands of jobs. built great structures. i've done -- i've had tremendous success. i think -- >> those are sacrifices? >> oh, sure. i think there are sacrifices. >> this is about radical islamic terrorism and about what's really going on here and the fact media doesn't want to pick up and cover what's going on
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with this country. >> are you trying to change the subject or link him to terrorism? >> no, not at all. that's not what i'm doing. don't try to put words in my mouths. >> a new national poll numbers from cbs show hillary clinton now leading donald trump by six points. brand-new numbers out this morning. you can see that does suggest a convention bounce for hillary clinton. she's up four in that poll from a week ago, just after the republican convention. donald trump dropping off three points there. clinton now up six in that poll. she had been down one a week ago. a seven-point swing there. the favorable/unfavorable numbers when you talk about these all the time. hillary clinton's struggled all year in this category. again there is an improvement for her after the democratic convention up five points. and the faufrable view, though, 50% of americans say they have an unfavorable view of the democratic nominee for president. let me bring in congressman chris collins from new york. the first house republican to endorse trump for president. congressman, thanks for joining
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us. >> good to join you, steve. >> i want to start on a statement john mccain just put out earlier today. he said this after donald trump sort of reignited this controversy with the khan family. john mccain saying, while our party has bestowed on him the nomination it is not accompanied by unfettered license to defame those who are the best among us. do you agree with what john mccain is saying there? >> no, i think this is being taken oufts context, steve. let's begin with certainly understanding the tragic loss of the khans in losing their son in service to this country 12 years ago. we can't understate their sacrifice in that regard. but 12 years after the fact, hillary clinton brings mr. khan on stage to basically attack mr. trump, suggest he doesn't understand the constitution, even wave a pocket copy in front of the cameras. at that point, i would say mr. khan has entered the political
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fray. he's taken a big punch at donald trump. and hillary clinton, again, politicizing tragedy in the tragic loss of the khans' son. at this point 12 years later, mr. khan has decided to enter the fray, attack mr. trump in a very inappropriate way when, in fact, it's hillary clinton that ignores the first, second and tenth amendments. at that point, i can't blame mr. trump for saying, i'm going to defend my integrity and my understanding of the constitution, so we need to set aside -- >> okay. i take your point. you are saying this was a political convention. he got up at a political partisan event and made a statement. fine. but donald trump's response to that, in part, he talked about captain khan's mother standing on stage next to her husband, and he made -- seemed to imply she wasn't because of her muslim faith being allowed to speak. doesn't that cross a line, even if somebody becomes fair game? doesn't that cross a line even in the political game? >> well, i would say this,
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steve. when someone attacks your character as they did attack mr. trump, he just asked a question, and maybe that's not a question i would have asked, but it goes back to mr. khan is attacking him. he's now appearing on other shows. he's become hillary's attack dog, and every time donald trump will say something, he puts up the shield, if you will, of the loss of his son. and that was very tragic. 12 years ago in a war that hillary clinton supported in a war that donald trump did not support, and in this situation, i think there's like a double standard going on here. and mr. khan is saying i'm immune from anyone criticizing me because my son died in a very heroic loss to the family and also in service of the country. but today he's taken on a political role as an attack dog for hillary clinton, and i think, in that regard, he's got to take what comes back at him. >> should mention here for the sake of clarity, donald trump now says he opposed the iraq war before it started.
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there's no record of that. the only comments made by donald trump before that iraq invasion in 2003 seem to suggest he supported it. he didn't make the critical comments until after the invasion. i want to ask you about the connection that mr. khan was making in his convention speech and in these interviews over the weekend. the connection between his personal story and donald trump's policy proposals because that seemed to be the sort of policy heart of his speech and what he was basically saying was, look at my son. my son ought to be an example for all americans in terms of his willingness to serve his country and to pay the ultimate price in service to his country. and, yet, based on my son's religious faith and nothing more than his religious faith, donald trump would have banned him from immigrating to this country oir banned anyone like him. >> that's just not so, steve. what mr. trump has certainly clarified, and by the way, congress passed the s.a.f.e. act
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which would ban syrian refugees from coming into this country, regardless of their religion, if the director of the fbi couldn't certify that they were someone they knew who they could vet the background. and mr. trump has expanded that to other nations where isis is active and the isis has said they would like to infiltrate refugees. this isn't a muslim issue. this is a potential terrorist and isis fighters infiltrating refugees. i think most americans would agree until the director of the fbi has a process for vetting these individuals, we should have a moratorium on them coming in. and that is all mr. trump is saying. and that is his position today. it's not anything to do with muslim faith. >> look, you are saying, look, ultimately this is politics. this is something that started this current dispute started at the democratic convention. it's a political thing. if we're just talking about the raw politics of this, though, do you think from a tactical and
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strategic standpoint your candidate, the nominee of the republican party engaging in a protracted three, four, maybe longer day public battle with the parents of a slain serviceman, do you think that's good politics? >> well, clearly with a liberal press that's distorting it, it is something that we need to leave behind us but continue to point out mr. khan has now entered politics and as tragic as that family loss is, and we can't say that enough, he insulted mr. trump right to the core suggesting that he didn't understand the constitution. and he stood next to hillary clinton who has already said she's going to wipe out the second amendment, she doesn't believe in the first amendment, and she also believes in big government which flies in the face of the tenth amendment. that was very hypocritical, frankly, of someone to stand next to someone who has absolute disregard for the constitution and then wave a pocket constitution out in front of the camera. that was an insult. we all know mr. trump. you take a swing at him, he's
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going to punch back. maybe some of the rest of us in the political world aren't quite made up of that, but that's mr. trump's character, and, frankly, i don't blame him. >> congressman chris collins from new york, thanks for the time. >> thanks steve. always good to be with you. robert costa from "the washington post" speaking with former new york city mayor and trump ally rudy giuliani about mccain's statement. that statement we just showed you from john mccain denouncing donald trump's comments about the khan family. giuliani saying, quote, john wouldn't be saying this if he were running two years from now. he just would keep his mouth shut. mccain locked in a difficult re-election battle for the senate in arizona this year. let's bring in national political reporter at "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. that's fascinating, that reporting there on rudy giuliani's comments. obviously giuliani is close to donald trump and spoke at the republican convention. but there's a long and close
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relationship between mccain and giuliani as well. >> that's exactly right. giuliani after his campaign fell apart in the 2008 presidential race rushed to endorse senator mccain. they've remained close personal friends ever since that campaign. what you see right now is giuliani acting as a confidante of trump and adviser of trump. he said in our interview that he admires mccain and wants to see mccain win but he said the senator, in his view is politically motivated in issuing this lengthy statement today. >> what we saw in that lengthy statement from john mccain, we read a part of it. another line from there, he said, i hope americans understand the remarks do not represent the views of our republican party. its officers or candidates. it was lengthy and clear in its denunciation of trump. however, it did not include an unendorsement of trump. john mccain still supporting donald trump. >> mccain has not rescinded his endorsement.
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this entire episode, the controversy between donald trump and the khan family underscores how republicans are divided as they approach trump now being the nominee, talking to other people besides giuliani inside jump's orbit of course h, his a friends. they say the khans because they spoke at the democratic convention are political figure. you see others like speaker ryan, senator mccain and his more pointed statement saying any kind of discussion of gold star families should not veer into this controversial territory where you politicize the argument. so there's really a divide in how republicans see this entire thing. >> what do you know about inside trump's world? the people who have his ear. the people he's relying on for advice. does he have voices there telling him this is not wise? >> giuliani spoke with the trump campaign over the weekend. not with trump himself. there are people around trump who are urging him to ignore the khans from here on. that he made his point on
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twitter and elsewhere in the abc interview. and there's a sense now at the trump rally in ohio and moving forward, trump should not address the issue because any kind of controversy regarding a gold star family is not really smart politics. but trump itself, as ever, is driving the strategy within his campaign and he, the candidate, is setting the direction of how this all plays out. >> do you have any sense if there is a breaking point for some of these republican leaders we talk about who have been critical of trump but have not rescinded endorsements, talking about paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, john mccain? any sign there's a breaking point with them where if he crosses this line, then they will step back? >> i've been asking around the republican party for the past few days about that. oftentimes i hear back an answer that there is no specific breaking point whether it's a gold star family, senator mccain a year ago, and donald trump's comments about mccain being captured, whether it's the controversial proposal on the
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wall or the proposal on banning muslims from emigrating to this country. there's no real line. republicans are in this mode. many top officials in the party of accepting trump's nomination, navigating on their own terms how they proceed but not really sure where else they can go. >> all right. robert costa with "the washington post." thanks for the time. >> thank you. a programming note. coming up tonight on "hardball," the parents at the center of this controversy. the khans are going to sit down with chris matthews. we'll show that to you tonight, 7:00 eastern. you can only see it here on msnbc. hillary clinton still insisting she never used her personal e-mail server to send or receive classified information. now her campaign is saying it is state department employees who sent her the e-mails and that they should have known better. >> these are longtime tenured state department professionals who worked for different administrations. these folks are not partisan. they were the ones sending her the e-mails.
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she in his mind, she had no -- >> but weren't they -- plus, the path to 270. we showed you some bad news in the polling today for donald trump nationally. there has been some bad news for him in a couple of key swing states as well. is there a path left for him on that map? our most important number of the day is going to tackle that. and that is coming up shortly. and a daredevil makes history free-falling 25,000 feet without a parachute. the emotional response i had while watching it. that's coming up as well.
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obviously donald trump and the controversy he has stirred up with the khan family dominated news coverage over the weekend. but his opponent hillary clinton also managing to revive some controversy of her own from renewed scrutiny over her private e-mail server purpose clinton had an interview yesterday with fox news in which she attempted to set the record straight over accusations she lied when she never sent or received classified information on her personal server. >> after a long investigation, fbi director james comey said none of those things that you told the american public were true. >> chris, that's not what i heard director comey say, and i thank you for giving me the opportunity to, in my view, clarify. director comey said that my answers were truthful and what i've said is consistent with what i have told the american people. that there were decisions
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discussed and made to classify retroactively certain of the e-mails. >> so that's what hillary clinton said yesterday. here, though is what james comey, the director of the fbi said when he testified before the house select committee on ben gughazi last month. >> secretary clinton said there was nothing marked classified either sent or received. was that true? >> that's not true. there were a small number of portion markings on, i think, three of the documents. >> secretary clinton said i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. there is no classified material. was that true? >> there was classified material e-mailed. >> again, james comey's testimony in front of congress a few weeks ago. "the washington post" giving those answers that hillary clinton gave on fox news yesterday. a rating of four pinocchios. that's their strongest dishonesty rating. since this scandal exploded on to the scene nearly a year and a half ago, clinton has changed
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the way she talks about her e-mails. this is what she said back in march last year at her first press conference about the server. >> i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. there is no classified materials. >> comey, though, said in his testimony that 110 of clinton's e-mails contained classified information at the time they were sent. now other times in the past year and a half, clinton has used more precise wording. take a listen. >> you can make different decisions because things have changed, circumstances have changed, but it doesn't change the fact that i did not send or receive the material marked classified. >> you see adding the word marked there. material that was marked classified. as you heard in that testimony from comey before congress a few weeks ago, a small number, small of clinton's e-mails were marked classified at the time they were
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support. the state department is aware two of e-mails on clinton's server that were marked confidential. those markings, though, were incorrect. the information wasn't supposed to be marked classified and they should have those marks -- those markings should have been removed. that's what the state department says. i want to bring in brian fallon, a spokesman for hillary clinton's campaign. it gets a little weedsy and granular here but "the washington post" fact checker look at the material. they said hillary clinton in that interview yesterday deserves four pinocchios. are they wrong? >> yeah, i think they took her out of context, steve. first of all, it bears repeating that hillary clinton admits and fully acknowledges that the way she set up her e-mail arrangement was a mistake. she has apologized for it. she regrets it. she obviously would not do it again. i think the justice department closing out this case brought some closure to this matter. it does keep coming up in interviews. so chris wallace asked about it. and that's the reason why she discussed exactly what she meant with the statements she's given
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over the last year where this issue has been talked about. with respect to the specific claim that "the washington post" fact check are analyzed, her answer was truthful. she was indicating the director said at this hearing held by the house republican that's her answers in her fbi interview that she held last month prior to them concluding this case were truthful. the director said that. what she was further indicating was that what she told the justice department in that interview was completely consistent with what she has said in public interviewed all these many months. >> but in -- and comey was asked if she had lied to the american people. he said he wasn't going to answer that question. he left that question unanswered either way. but the fact of the matter is, we played her public comments there. at times in the last year she's made claims that no classified material was sent or received. and comey says there were 110 e-mails that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received.
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that's at odds with what she's saying, isn't it? >> but she did not believe those e-mails were classified. and they weren't marked such, and the reason that's we have invoked the fact that so many -- 300-plus employees within the state department and across the government were the senders of these e-mails is just to cause people to sit back and think. is it really the case that 300-plus career professionals within the state department and elsewhere in the government were all careless, were all sloppy, all failed to recognize the difference between material that should be considered classified or not? >> but, brian, director comey said that is the case. he said hillary clinton and the people on these chains should have known and should have recognized this was classified material. and he said that there is evidence they were xroextremely careless in their handling of highly sensitive, highly classified information. what you are describing was the case. >> well, actually, the fct that he indicated in his
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congressional testimony that he didn't have a basis to conclude that she ever thought these materials were classified and the fact he indicated very forcefully there was no intent here to at all traffic in classified material and the fact that he recommended and said that no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case is indication enough that reasonable people could disagree about whether those 110 e-mails were actually classified or could have been recognized as such. think of the implication of that statement. 300-plus people all either were reckless in not realizing something was classified or simply looked the other way and sent something anyway despite the fact they may have had an inkling it was classified. i don't think that is fathomable. what's more likely the case is you have a judgment being made now based on months of examining these materials that, yes, we're going to side with a grouping of agencies that believe that these materials should have been considered classified at the time when, in the absence of any
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markings, a reasonable person could have concluded otherwise at the time. >> i want to quickly in the time we have left just talk about where this campaign stands right now coming out of both conventions. we put the poll on at the top. today cbs news has a poll that shows hillary clinton getting it looks like, about a seven-point bounce from the democratic convention. is that -- did you want more? is that about what you thought it would be? >> the bottom line, steve, we don't pay too much attention to any individual poll. i think the bottom line is that we feel like we had a very productive convention last week. and that we emerged from that convention with a lot of momentum. you saw that over the weekend in this bus trip through pennsylvania and ohio that secretary clinton and senator kaine embarked on. i know donald trump thinks that's some of these areas in pennsylvania and ohio are going to be his path to victory, but i think it actually shows we're contesting every vote. we're even visiting counties
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during this trip that mitt romney won in 2012. it shows we're conceding nothing. no county, no town, no individual voter to donald trump. he's on defense. he's retracing the steps of this tour and visiting some of the same towns and cities we were in over the weekend. so i think we emerged from this convention with a lot of momentum. in terms of the poll, the polls will be up and down. there was a slight bump for him after his convention. i think thus poll indicates the race has returned to where it was before both of the conventions. this race is going to be tight through november. but i think the momentum is on our side. >> brian fallon from the clinton campaign. thanks for the time. >> thanks, steve. some recent polls showing donald trump struggling a little bit with a core group. what has been a core group for republicans at least. that's evangelical voters. they're more excited by their dislike of hillary clinton than any particular enthuse yump for donald trump. could that last of enthusiasm cost trump in what has been a key battleground state?
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already. welcome back with your headlines at the half hour. donald trump holding a rally in columbus, ohio, where he's trying to do some damage control over comments about russia's annexation of the ukrainian territory of crimea. trump at that rally not mentioning the khan family. meanwhile, trump's rival hillary clinton set to appear in omaha, nebraska, with billionaire warren buffett. clint op enjoying a poef
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post-convention bump. clinton now ahead of trump by six points after her convention. the cdc urging pregnantz women to avoid travel to a section of miami. this as ten more people were found to be infected with the zika virus in florida. likely contracted locally through a mosquito bite. that brings the total number of cases to 14. maryland, flash flooding of historic proportions. more than six inches of rain in under three hours. that left two people dead, caused more than 100 rescues over the weekend, and there is more rain in the forecast for that area. the pentagon announcing the u.s. performed precision air strikes against isis targets in libya at the request of libya's interim government. the strikes were authorized by president obama at the recommendation of defense secretary ash carter. they are intended to help local forces fight against the terrorist network's main stronghold in libya. turning back now to the race for president, and the state of
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colorado. this is one of those toss-up states that could end up making or breaking the election for either one of the candidates. but there are some indications that donald trump could be in trouble. you see right now, we have it on our nbc map listed as a toss-up state. this is a state that not a long time ago was a red state. take a look back to 2004. george w. bush running for re-election against john kerry that year. george w. bush carried that state. a republican state. a state because of changing demographics. a rising latino population, more college educated suburbanites who were more liberal on cultural issues. it's a state that democrats said we can flip it. and guess what. in 2008 with obama at the top of the ticket, they did just that and did it again in 2012. two straight times for the democrats. check this out. the latest polling out of colorado shows hillary clinton eight points ahead of donald trump in that state.
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eight-point lead for the democrat in a state that back in 2004 was still a solidly republican state. that's a state that's jetting in the blue direction. that raises a big problem for donald trump. and particularly when it comes to his base. if he's going to counter that rising tide for democrats in colorado, he needs that republican base of evangelical voters. they're heavily populated around the colorado springs area. that's what republicans traditional rely on in colorado. donald trump will have to rely on it more than ever. and there are signs he's having some problems with those voters. jacob soboroff learned about it in his "up for grabs" series. he was on the ground. take a look. >> reporter: the thousands of evangelical christians that worship inside this belling will play a huge role. there's one guy they listen to more than anybody else. that is who i'm here to see. where are we, pastor brady? what is this? >> this is our auditorium where new life gathers every sunday,
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mult pell times on the weekend. this is full of people worshiping, studying the scriptures together. up until this election, el pas county has been typically red. this year i don't think either party can count on el paso in their back pocket right now. >> why do you think this is a swing congregation, a swing city, colorado springs, this time around. >> not only colorado springs but around the nation. evangelicals are caught between the two parties. on one side traditional conservative voters are always going to vote pro-life. they hold a traditional view of marriage which puts them at odds with some of the democratic progressive voices. but at the same time, i am grateful that more and more conservative evangelical voters are now beginning to understand the plight of the immigrant. >> can i stop you for one second. donald trump doesn't seem to be in line with what you're saying. >> that's what puts us at odds
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with the republican party. when he says he's going to deport 11 million people. we're not thinking that. we're thinking about our brothers and sisters, people who actually attend church here with us who have lived here 20 years undocumented. they've had families here. they run businesses here. they've not been in trouble with the law. they are members of our church. >> is there a chance hillary clinton could win over some of your parishioners? >> no, i don't think that because her views are so progressive and so liberal to many of the voters, but -- so i think what happens is that people may stay home and that bothered me. >> that means hillary clinton wins colorado. >> exactly. we don't have the option not to vote. we have to vote our convictions. it's literally going to be a hold your nose vote. >> changing demographics. a party base that maybe isn't as motivated as it needs to be. trouble for donald trump in colorado. and colorado is not the only state where that's going on for donald trump. and it means his path to 270 may
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of as swing states where the demographics may be changing too fast for the republicans to keep up with, especially with donald trump on the ticket who struggled with millennials, college educated professionals. colorado isn't the only one. virginia is another swing state. another state that used to be republican that's gone blue that republicans would love to win back. if donald trump is struggling in colorado, he's probably struggling in virginia, too. also for new mexico. large latino population there. real trouble for donald trump. they extend into nevada. the problem for donald trump is if the demographics are changing in these states in a way he can't keep up with, that takes four potential swing state targets off the board for donald trump. that narrows his path. if you are donald trump then, what are you doing if you try to get to 270. there's the obvious path that exists would be this. pennsylvania. it's unclear exactly where the race stands there. demographically, it seems to
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have the kinds of voters donald trump is going to do better with. find a way to flip pennsylvania and ohio. very dcompetitive in the polls there right now. and then get a state that republicans have relied on. those states would put him over 270 except changing demographics also work in red states. and you talk about changing demographics as well in north carolina. north carolina, you have college educated professionals, republicans have relied on them. they do not seem to be lining up with trump in the numbers they have in the past for republicans. if trump were to lose north carolina, lose a state that romney carried in 2012, look, even giving him those three states he still falls short. that's a huge challenge for donald trump. just holding the romney states could be a problem for him. if you get beyond that, all these off-limit, potentially off-limit battleground states.
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that's what a narrow path looks like. donald trump's path right now to 270, it has narrowed. that's why that's our most important number of the day, 270. after the break, trump scrambling to clarify comments about russia and ukraine. russian troops are already in crimea. trump didn't seem to know that in one of his public comments. the clinton campaign calling that mistake scary stuff. also a new thing today to lighten up your day. the emoji of the day. a story that has us talking. a story i don't have too many words for so we'll have an emoji for it. difference between life and death. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and work together in real time to help those that need it. the ability to collaborate changes how we work.
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i have no relationship with putin. >> but if you have no relationship with putin then why did you say in 2013, i do have a relationship. in 2014, i spoke -- >> because he has said nice things with me over the years. i've never met him. >> you said for three years that you did have a relationship with him. >> what do you call a relationship? >> i'm asking you. >> he treats me with respect. i have no relationship with putin. >> donald trump over the weekend saying he has no relationship with vladimir putin as george stephanopoulos in that interview indicated. trump has indicated otherwise. back in 2013 with our own thomas roberts. >> do you have a relationship with vladimir putin, a conversational relationship or anything that you feel you have sway or influence over his
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government? >> i do have a relationship, and i can tell you that he's very interested in what we're doing here today. he's probably very interested in what you and i are saying, and i'm sure he's going to be seeing it in some form. but i do have a relationship with him. >> perry bacon jr., senior politics reporter with msnbc. you work for the hill. you're in new york for the day. i'm curious what you make of trump and putin, trump and russia. he seems aware now that putin will be a political liability in american election being too closely associated with him. you have those comments bragging about a relationship and you have had him at times during this campaign talking about how he admires the strength of vladimir putin. what do you make of this? >> i think it's part of this pattern where donald trump's attitudes seem largely to be based on how people treat him personally. i don't know how much he really considers putin's policies.
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there was the answers about ukraine and crimea that seemed perplexing to a lot of people. but he believes that putin has treated him nicely. so he's positive toward him. then when people like the khan family, for example, say things that are negative about him, he appears to lash out without there really being serious thought about the political implications of that for him. >> and perry, we always wonder about the role of foreign policy in an election. the issue of russia. now ukraine and crimea. do you think that matters to voters? do you think the way trump is addressing this matters to them? >> i think it will relate down the line. we had a discussion about the debates and whether he'll be in them and how. and he doesn't know if russian troops are in crimea or not. it goes to this question about, does he know what he's talking about? does he know the issues very well. it sets up as a bad contrast for trump to be showing he has no knowledge of a big issue and then saying i don't want to be
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in debates. it raises the question of do you not want to be in debates because you aren't smart enough to be in debates. these three debates going forward, the moderators will be pushing to see does he know basic details. hillary clinton probably knows the policy details. the question for trump is do you have the requisite knowledge for these three debates coming up. >> also new polling data. this coming in in the last couple of hours from gallop asking voters do you have a more or less fiavorable view of the parties? democrats, slightly more having a favorable impression, more favorable impression as a result of that convention. the republican convention in cleveland, by this standard, not as successful. perry, we're seeing hillary clinton up seven points in this new -- six or seven depending on how many voters you're including there. this new cbs poll. successful week for democrats can we say in hindsight? >> you saw trump's convention
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resulted in a slight bump for him. he was ahead in the polls. now after hillary's convention, is hillary has been ahead most of the race and back ahead now. my guess is the six or seven will come down to three or four. the race has been in this three to four change. she has a narrow lead. the national polls matter some extent. as you broke down earlier, she's leading or tied in pretty much all of the big swing states. and if he's not ahead, any of those nine or ten battleground states, then it becomes a real problem to figure out even if he's close nationally, what is his path to winning. >> thanks to both of you. now to hampton pierson with the market wrap. >> markets with a mixed close. the dow extends its losing streak to six days. the dow falling 28 points. the s&p down by three. but the nasdaq rallying 22 points higher. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide.
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we've got a few seconds left. we thought we'd lighten things up with the emoji of the day. a story that caught our attention this morning around the newsroom. something we were having a few conversations about and tell you what emoji is produces in us. what you're seeing is a guy named luke akins. he is falling from 25,000 feet. this is yesterday out in california. but he's doing this without a parachute. there's a couple of people around him. they had parachutes and left him at 10,000 feet. he's on his own. he freefell 25,000 feet into that net.
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that net is 100 feet by 100 feet. wow. that's the first guy to ever skydive without a parachute and survive. what is the emoji that produces in us? you know your phone and list of them. come on. it's shock. shock? i guess that's what that is. i'm shocked. i'm happy the guy survived. luke akin, congratulations. i'm steve kornacki. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's monday, donald trump in battleground ohio today ignores the elephant in the room. his controversial fight with the parents of a fallen muslim army captain. instead, trump trying to turn the page saying he fears the general election will be rigged. it's "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm kristen welker in washington in for chuck

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