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they have people over there like maggie haberman, they don't write good. they don't know how to write good. >> hi, i'm former male supermodel derek supermodel derrick zoo lander. here at the zoo lander center for kids who can't read good and want to learn to do other stuff, too, we teach students of all ages everything they need to know to learn to be a professional model and a professional human being. >> i don't speak good, but i'm going to try to get through three hours regardless. >> that was worth it just for the zoo lander clip. >> it was. you speak good? >> i don't speak too good. >> do you write good? >> i don't write good neither. >> you know who writes good? halperin. >> goodly. >> what do you think of this new studio? >> it's kind of dead. >> totally empty space over
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there. >> we need a house band. >> we need something over there. >> it just sounds different in here. >> this is my first time in the new studio. >> i was here yesterday. mika lost her voice. you weren't here. i sat here staring at my hands. >> there's room for a house band. >> i want a house band. we need some plants or something. >> cactus. >> j.b. smith and his orchestra. >> i love it. welcome to "morning joe." we don't do this good either. >> they don't write good. the question is, is our children learning? today we have with us managing editor of bloomberg politics and the co-host with all due respect that airs at 6:00 p.m. on msnbc when they don't cut into it for a warren buffett speech. >> preempted for a billionaire.
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>> not just any bill nair. >> i said don't pre 'em preempt what about don rickles. we have former trez yi official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve radner. nbc's chris jansing and washington pulitzer prize winning columnist, msnbc analyst eugene robinson. >> with a provocative new column. >> his columns are always provocative. what's provocative about this one? >> dr. eugene robinson has diagnosed the republican nominee. >> i didn't diagnose. i just said there's a problem there. >> a clinical problem. >> not making a clinical problem, just an observation. >> gene, i'm going to peruse this really quickly. does it have to do with his mental well-being? >> well, gee, you think good.
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>> i will tell you why i ask you this. it's pretty remarkable. i fielded calls all day yesterday from conservatives, from republicans, from officials from people that the media would call right wing bloggers, whatever you want to call it -- my, that shot is far away. hey, hey out there, and everybody was asking me about his mental health. we had somebody on the set yesterday that said, you know, back in 1964, psychiatrists had tried to analyze barry goldwater, and they swore after that they would never do it again, they would stay out of politics. but it was all everybody was talking about yesterday. it's not like there was talking points shot out by the dnc or by
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anybody else. everybody was talking about his mental health yesterday. everybody was calling me saying what's happening to him? what is wrong with him? and so, the reason i say this, it's just like it exploded. you've written this column about it. everybody is asking me yesterday. >> i had lunch yesterday with a friend who is not that politically involved and said, somebody has to do a psychological profile of the guy and figure out why he acts the way he acts and is he really healthy. >> you hate to say this, but at this point when you keep doing things that are going to hurt you, that are going to damage your cause, that seem so d disconnected from reality and standard norms of human behavior, at some point, everybody keeps asking the same thing, i think most deservingly is this schtick worked, the
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republican primaries which is really, really bad for my party. now you even have republicans that are saying, again, privately, like have you ever seen him like this before? i haven't. i've known him for a decade, never seen him act like this before. it's unhinged, not the donald trump i've known for over a decade. i never have seen anything remotely resembling this type of behavior from a guy who i've known and liked and called a friend. >> the other thing -- i was hearing that a lot yesterday. the other thing i also heard, people were asking me, why can't anyone around him get him to stop? >> i think it's gotten a lot worse even over the past month. >> was there ever anyone around him to get him to stop? >> yeah, his family. his family. his family could all call meetings and say, come on, you've got to stop doing this. >> can they take the phone, joe?
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could they just like take the phone or whatever he uses for his tweets. >> i'm telling you. we're in unchartered territory now. there was a time when people could talk to him and say this is damaging you, this is hurting you. for the kids, it hurts the name. it hurts the brand. don junior could have a really good future, but right now this is insanity, what's happened the past four days. >> some of it is so emotional though. it doesn't feel like it's a strategy. >> it's not a strategy. >> it's pure emotion. >> it's well beyond strategy. >> he's in the middle of this controversy for attacking the family for a fallen soldier, and who does he go after? firefighters. he had done it in colorado springs. he did it yesterday in columbus because he felt they didn't let
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enough people in the building. to the point where the colorado firefighters had to issue a statement defending themselves saying, do you want us to break and the law and jeopardize people's safety. >> this is how disconnected he is from reality. any other republican candidate running for president right now would only have to talk about two things. the first thing they need to talk about, go back to what hillary clinton said on sunday, where she was still lying about her e-mails, still lying even about what the fbi director said on national television in front of congress. the second thing is, we have the slowest economic recovery since 1949. those two things play into his hands in ohio, in pennsylvania and all across the country. instead, willie, these bizarre rants. this is the most disturbing part for me.
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republicans like paul ryan and even john mccain yesterday who condemned will not take back their endorsement from somebody who is so detached from even the mainstream -- certainly the mainstream of true conservatism. i don't get it. >> that speech thursday night by mr. kahn would have been a story for friday. we talked about it friday, remarkable moment in the campaign. if donald had come out in the next interview and said, i'm not going to question or compare my sacrifice to anything that family has been through. now we're on tuesday still talking about it because he continues to comment and the things he continues to say. i was looking all weekend and wondering what john mccain was going to say. based on who he is, his record of service, his record of sacrifice. he did come out with that big statement yet which was good for him. i agree. i wonder when some people will say enough is enough, this is the last straw.
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i can't support the candidate. >> i can't endorse this guy. abraham lincoln said that you support somebody when they're doing the right dhings, but when they stop doing the right things, you stop supporting those people. who is it going to be? i hope it's john mccain. i would hope it would be paul ryan. i would hope some republican would step forward of the natural stature. >> you had bradshaw who was a long time supporter of john mccain who said yesterday she confirmed she left the party. the people who have big names who are in positions of influence and power have not done that yet. >> should we read a little -- >> quickly, people say if you don't support donald trump, then
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republicans aren't going to win the presidency. well, republicans aren't going to win the presidency. i'm a selfish republican. for me it's about saving the senate, not getting wiped out in the house, not getting wiped out in the state legislatures and governorships. we dominate there. we have a lot to lose. standing behind a guy who' viscerales a gold star mother and a grieving father. kelly ayotte needs to distance herself from this guy now. ron johnson needs to distance himself from this guy now. they would be shocked what would happen if people would show a little courage. >> let's listen to what senator mccain said about donald trump yesterday. >> i support the nominee of the
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party. any time from now on, if that question is asked and i change my mind, i'll let you know. >> senator you used to be known as a maverick. seems you're towing the party line. are you not a maverick anymore? >> you are entitled to your opinions and views and i appreciate those opinions, and i enjoy them. i let the people of arizona decide. >> he said what he said in his statement. he condemns what mr. trump has done, but he's not going to pull his support of the republican nominee for president. >> one thing that's going on with a lot of office holders, their family members are putting pressure on them to disavow donald trump. most want to wait for the first debate and see if trump can somehow revolutionize the race in the first debate. a lot of wives and daughters are pressuring members of congress to say, this is not good for you politically. it's not good for your soul. >> certainly not good for paul ryan politically, not good for
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paul ryan's soul. you have donald trump supporting paul ryan's opponent, primary opponent. >> his primary opponent came out in support and tried to explain away what donald trump said and donald trump said thank you for your support. let's look at the backdrop, snapshots of the presidential race, where the general election stands now that both party conventions are over. according to cnn and occ, hillary clinton opened up a nine-point lead on donald trump. her support jumped seven points since before the democratic convention while his dropped five. clinton leads trump in a similar margin in a four-way race with gary johnson. he takes 9%. jill style gets 5%. 16% say they could still change their mind. 44% made up their mind for clinton. 36% locked in for trump. our nbc news survey monkey poll has the general election at an
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eight-point spread since the dnc rapid, clinton up 3 points while trump dropped 3% to 42. clinton solidified her support among democrats now claiming 80% favorability rating among the base. yesterday we brought you the cbs poll that showed hillary clinton leading donald trump by five points, 4,639. now newly released numbers gauging the qualities of those candidates. a full 60% say hillary clinton is prepared for the job of commander-in-chief. nearly the same numbers say she's strong leader and has the right temperament. 34% see her as honest and trustworthy. that number jumped about five points since she accepted the nomination. donald trump's best marks come on the subject of strong leadership. b >> obviously hillary wins big on prepared for the job. honesty and integrity both
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pretty low. mark halperin, what do you make of the numbers? it seems that in the cnn poll hillary clinton got quite a bump from the convention? >> obviously her being above 50 in any poll is huge because trump can be pretty confident that a lot of undecideds will vote against her in the end. we've seen people come back from bigger margins than this. again, these are national polls, not electoral college. >> this is just a snapshot. >> george bush came back from an 18-point deficit, gerald ford came back from a 36-point deficit, almost beating jimmy carter at the very end. this is just a snapshot. we have a very, very long way to go. that said, the democratic convention did the trick. >> it was very well executed, and it did highlight aspects that maybe don't erase the doubts of honesty and integrity, but elevate other qualities.
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they may not trust her about some things but they think she's a strong leader. 97 days to go if he's talking about the economy and questions about her and the status quo, he has a clans to narrow this and win an electoral college victory. if he continues to talk about other things, i think his coalition becomes very hard to build. >> i'm trying to figure out why is nobody talking about the economy? >> 1% growth. >> why is he talking about the slowest growing recovery since 1949. >> you said something a few minutes ago that people are picking up on. you said republicans are not going to win the presidency, now we have to protect the senate -- do you believe that that the republicans won't win the presidency? >> i believe that without a doubt. i believe it because he lacks the discipline. first of all, donald trump is just not doing what is required to win, and forget about all the
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crazy statements and all the crazy speeches. there's a lot of stuff you do behind the scenes. david axelrod talked about the people that were working on all the computer whiz bang stuff in the obama campaign. he said you go under ground and go through caves and open up doors and there would be guys with moss growing off their faces and their teeth. he said they were in another world but they knew where every vote was. they dragged every vote out. david axelrod was taelg me by exactly how much barack obama would win by a month out. >> in every state. >> in every state. he knew exactly where every vote was. they did what ken mehlman did. trump says, gene robinson, he's going to win by giving speeches and going on twitter. you literally can't win that way. it would be like an olympic athlete saying i am going to
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play xbox to train for the olympics. no, they're not going to win. >> i was going to call him a throwback or a throw-forward or something. wherever he is, it's not where the state-of-the-art of campaigning is today which is highly data driven, as you said, and, yes, david axelrod knew where every vote was. that operation was incredible. they knew not just in the primary season but in the general election, where everybody was and they got them out to the polls. i don't think you can win the presidency without doing that. i also don't think you can win the presidency, frankly, by alienating or beginning to alienate key constituencies. if the vfw is angry at donald trump at this point, that is really not a good thing.
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>> vfw, gray star mothers. on top of that, chris jansing, i always say demographics is destiny. it's something george w. bush realized in 1998, said republicans have to win more hispanic votes. they can't just rely on white people to win anymore. they said it in 1998. here we are almost 20 years later, donald trump is getting 20% of the non-white vote -- 12%. >> what happened to the autopsy and all that work that went into it with the rnc and looking at how -- you guys were going to have to move forward and it hasn't happened. when i look at and i've talked to both camps about that micro targeting of those voters, it's not just knowing where those voters are. it's knowing how to get them to vote for you and get out to the polls. so if you're a democrat and you target somebody, you know, for example, is there big issue education? it's not just knowing where they live. it's knowing there's a teacher
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who is volunteering. that's the person you send to their door to make sure they're voting for you and they get you out. the disparity between the two sides and the fundamental understanding of what it's going to take to win an election in 2016 is very broad. >> here is another thing, talking about the disconnect from donald trump, not just from the rest of the political world, but liss own family, his family understands and have understood for a very long time that they needed to raise money and invest money in data. they know that. they've been concerned about that. but they've got a candidate that doesn't want to do who has to be done to win, which has led somebody extremely close to donald trump to say, he doesn't want to lose but he doesn't really want to win. he doesn't want to govern. he doesn't want to lose, but he really doesn't want to win because that means he'll have to go do a lot of things he just
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doesn't want to do. >> i've heard that theory and maybe it's true. it's sort of a bizarre way to go about your life unless you think all this publicity is so great that i'm going go through it. >> of course he does. we're talking about him right now. >> that's true. he did say the other day in one of those contexts, there's no such thing as bad publicity i. wonder with whether this is donald trump saying, i've gotten this far, nobody thought i would get this far, i've done it my way. all these paid advisers, why would i listen to them. all his talk about being a great businessman which means being a great leader, organizing, manager of things. maybe he's a lousy manager and can't get from here to there. >> one of the important things he said yesterday is the election might be rigged. for those who believe he's looking for an excuse about losing, you can always explain it away, you can always say to
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the conspiracy theorists. you say he loves rallies. he's going to high a high percentage of sean hannity viewers. to say the election is rigged plays into a fox news talk radio sensibility that the clintons are going to somehow steal the election. >> if he loses by 5 million votes, can he say the election is rigged? >> if you get 40%, hard core, supporting you believing the world was against you, the media was against you, that it was rigged, you can go out and get russian money and start trump tv. i'm dead serious. you can start trump tv. you don't have to pull 50% -- get 40%. get your hard core followers. it's funny you said that about the conspiracy theory. i'm having a conversation this
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weekend with somebody, again, very close to trump who was the one that told me, doesn't want to lose but he really doesn't want to win and govern. his best case scenario would be to lose by half a percentage point and then say the election was stolen from him for the rest of his life. this person said, and this person said that's his dream scenario. >> he's got a fair amount of work to do to lose by half a point. >> that's trump's mindset. he'll be able to explain any loss in any statement by saying somehow the clintons were able to rig it. reince priebus has been his biggest defender. yesterday he in an interview said he didn't see the kahns the same way that trump does. he said he needs to run a
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perfect election. >> reince priebus and the rest of the republican party needs to start worrying about the senate and the house and the governors and the legislatures. he doesn't -- you can't save somebody who doesn't want to be saved. even his family can't right now, can't get him to focus on what he needs to do. >> some of these guys have to start worrying about themselves. paul ryan says i don't want to over sea the chasm in the party, i need to be the one holding it together. at some point he has to think about his own future. >> he does. still ahead on "morning joe," b congressman charlie dent. he says any attempt to minimize the sacrifices of captain kahn and his family are worthy of condemnation. trum tries to clean up his answer on his comments about crimea. also warren buffett, pretty
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extraordinary speech yesterday forward wren buffet. we'll be watching that and much more as we try to get acclimated to this new studio. >> it's not there yet. >> i'm afraid the election is going to be rigged, i have to be honest. i think my side was rigged. if i didn't win by massive landslides -- think of what we won in new york and indiana, california, 78%. that's with other people in the race. but think of it, i hear more and more than the election on november 8 -- can you believe it? we're almost there. this started on june 16th of last year and i said, wow, let's go do it. it takes guts to do this, believe me. everybody said -- it takes guts. i could be having a very nice life right now. i don't have to be with you
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we've both done extremely well during this period. our families haven't sacrificed anything. trump hasn't sacrificed anything. how in the world can you stand up to a couple of parents who lost a son and talk about sacrificing. donald trump, have you no sense of decency, sir? >> so he names the company after himself. the next ten years the company loses money every year, every single year. he takes out $44 million in compensation during that period. if you -- in 1995 when he offered this company, if a monkey had thrown a dart at the stock page, the monkey on average would have made 150%.
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>> that's our entire investment strategy right there. >> it is, at the dog track. >> that was warren buffett on the trail. >> it was a great sive vicks lesson where he said, i'm going to take ten people out to vote on election day. go to this website -- we all take ten people out. it's the part of nebraska where it's a district where it can be cordoned off and if you win that, you win the electoral vote. >> and actually obama won that electoral vote back in 2012. >> buffet, the point about the tax returns was interesting. let's get up on the stage, we've eel bo hold up our tax returns and field questions from the press. he said i've been under audit, you can produce your tax returns when you're under water. >> steve has his chart.
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we talked about that bad gdp number that didn't get a lot of attention. what else are you looking at? >> obviously the economy plays a major role in this election. the data is a bit confusing. let's start with that gdp number of 1.2% last friday. it actually wasn't as bad as it looked for reasons we'll save for cnbc. the point is this recovery has been going on at about a 2.1% average rate. >> what are you saving for cnbc? >> inventory adjustments and drawdowns. >> willie, willie, i think he's saying we don't think good here. >> no, the audience, the audience. >> you're insulting the audience. >> we want to keep the audience. >> all right, fine. 2.1% rate of growth and gdp since the recovery began, the slowest recovery since the
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postwar period, all about 4%. >> why is that? systemic? are we japan now? >> that's one fear. recoveries after a financial crisis tend to be weaker. we've had slow productivity growth. we have slower population growth than we used to. all those things come together. >> so that's the good -- that's the bad news. the good news is, we just showed a chart, unemployment is at 4.9%. what we were saying, morning in america, unemployment at the lowest since 1984. >> a lot of economists have created a cottage industry over elections. the gdp is an important predictor. if you plug in those numbers and other numbers into the best economic model i know, the republicans should have a significant advantage in this election. notwithstanding the jobs numbers and other numbers. with that said, let's look at the jobs numbers. as you point out, the unemployment rate has gone from over 10% at the peak of the
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recession, now down below 5% for the last couple of months. it's gone straight down. this is where that economists consider to be roughly full employment. we've had 76 straight months of job creation. that's the most months of job creation ever in our history, and so even though there are issues around jobs as well in terms of people dropping out of the labor force, things like that, on balance the jobs numbers -- >> usually we would say if the unemployment rate is doing better, that's great. but wages are down. but actually wages seem to be making at least a slight recovery? >> wages are really interesting. again, you go back, family incomes peaked back in 2002 at about $58,000 per family. even before the financial crisis, they never really got back -- a significant drop and that led to a lot of the wage
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and security that people feel today. what hasn't gotten much attention is wages have started to go back up and especially in the last 18 months they've gone up fairly sharply. this is one measure. >> do you know what's driving that? >> well -- excuse me? >> what sector, do you know what sectors might be driving that? >> this is one of the problems and advantages for trump, the things driving it are education, i.t., financial service, high intellectual sectors. if you look autos, they're way down. service jobs are about flat. >> so americans, though, again, as you said -- i think it's fascinating. you say gdp is the best predictor which i guess it means americans right now are pretty dissatisfi dissatisfied? >> they are. let's look at how dissatisfied americans are. you can see on this chart americans at the moment, only about 29% of them are satisfied with the state of the economy. but what's interesting is, if you look at the last nine
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presidential elections, there have only been two in which more than 50% of americans were actually satisfied. so more often than not, americans actually come into presidential elections dissatisfied. this 29% is sort of in the middle of the pack of dissatisfiactio dissatisfaction. the other interesting thing on this chart f you look at who won, the black dots show where the incumbents won. the orangish -- i'm sorry, where the economists lost are the black dots. al gore in 2000, 62% of the country was satisfied with the economy and he lost -- >> boy, you had to work hard to lose that election. >> he won the popular vote. >> he certainly did. >> you have a whole bunch of guys here, when the dissatisfaction rate was high, was below 50%, who still won the economy -- who still won the
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election. >> it would be the lowest dissatisfaction rate for the incumbent party to win if hillary clinton won. >> looks like barack obama. >> that's correct. obama was at 33%. she's at 29%. it's in the same zip code. the point is it's possible to win with a low satisfaction rate among the voters, obviously harder. but it doesn't seem to be the best predictor of who is going to win the election. >> at the same time, you talk to people who support donald trump. we've talked about all the insanity going on in this campaign right now, you ask them why are you supporting donald trump? three words, i want change. three words. my brokter, i want change. you can talk about whatever you want to talk about, washington is broken, the economy is broken. i want change. from these charts it looks like if the gdp is the predictor, that could be enough to carry republicans over the finish line. >> it should be a republican year from the simple standpoint of the knee. i'm simply saying it's not all
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bad. i'll give you another statistic. last year the bottom 99% had the best rate of wage increase adjusting for inflation in any year since 1998. >> really? >> you're getting legitimate wage growth. are they back to where they were? no the /* is there tremendous inequality, angst about what your job is going to be, particularly manufacturing sector? yes. it's getting good. it hasn't penetrated people. at the end of the day, gri agre with you, the economy should be the republican's friend in this election. >> as we go to break, i'll ask a really simple question so you can give us a ten-second answer afterwards. how do we grow wages more significantly for the 99%? what sectors have to grow in america so we can reverse this trend that's been going since 1973? it's an easy question. >> start the clock, ten seconds? >> we're going to go to break.
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i just want to give you a little time to think about that. still ahead, donny deutsch joins the table to asked trump one of the more revealing questions last year, donald, do you want to be president? we'll play for you donald trump's response when donny deutsch joins us straight ahead. also ahead, of course, inventory adjustments. look at that. >> it's a beautiful plant. i feel much better. marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! sì? polo! marco...! polo! scusa? ma io sono marco polo, ma... marco...! playing "marco polo" with marco polo? surprising. ragazzini, io sono marco polo. sì, sono qui... what's not surprising? how much money amanda and keith saved by switching to geico. ahhh... polo. marco...! polo! fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. polo!
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steve rattner, what's the answer? what sector do we need to grow for the 99%? >> the answer is we have to compete in the sectors where we have strength which are ones with some intellectual content. whether it's education, health services, i.t., things where we can bring our skills to bear. there are probably of high paying jobs that don't require higher education. we're not going to compete against the rest of the world making equipment that can be made anywhere in the world at much, much lower wages and we need to recognize that. >> you're saying there's not going to be a big manufacturing boom to lift wages for the 99%? >> not only won't there not be one. it's the slowest growing
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categories of jobs in the post environment. it's not going to happen. we'll have some manufacturing base. we can do some stuff in advanced manufacturing. we're kidding ourselves if which we think that's our -- >> still ahead on "morning joe." >> imagine him in the oval office facing a real crisis, a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons. >> front 48 called that moment a sound bite for the ages. yesterday he wrote a column saying that hillary clinton needed to stop lying. he said the country's future depends on it. run 48 will be with us in a minute.
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"national journal," ron fornier. >> good morning. >> we'll read some of your latest piece titled "why can't hillary clinton stop lying." >> on sunday, fbi director james comey cleared her of misleading the public about her rogue e-mail server at the state department. that's wrong and she knows it which makes it a lie. yet, in my mind the case against clinton is not as disturbing as trump's men dassity, meg mania, irn tolerance and intellectual slof venness. if trump becomes president, the world will have clinton to blame. that's why advisers, senior democrats and members of the liberal media need to stop covering for clinton. for the sake of the country, tell her stop lying. >> ron, it was breathtaking, the fox news interview with chris wallace. i don't know if i gasped watching it, but it was staggering that she would claim that she did not send or even
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classified material on her server, after all of this, even when he showed comey saying she wasn't telling the truth. she still denied it. >> i pulled out the last of my hair watching it. >> it looks like it. >> when you talk to her people, what she did, she was parsing, she was talking about the fact she didn't lie to the fbi. this is not the day and age to be parsing. a parse is another word for a lie. she's knowingly misleading. she did violate policy. we know that. she did expose u.s. secrets on a rogue server. >> ron, why did she lie when she knew she was lying and she knew everybody knew she was lying. why didn't she just brush it off and say i made mistakes, i'm terribly sorry. i've been chastened by the fbi director. i didn't break any laws, but
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sometimes i have to hold myself to the same server, i won't make the same mistake again. why can't she say that? her own supporters are asking that question. >> that's been a mystery for 18 months. i think she would have put this election away a long time ago if she had come clean on the e-mails. she had a nice convention, nicely tucking in the argument that donald trump is not fit to be president. an argument i agree with. a lot of democrats, a lot of independents, even a lot of republicans agree with that, he would be a bad man to be president. all she's got to do now is get out of her own way. why underscore what the one thing is that's holding her back from being president which is how dishonest she's been about the scandal? politically it would make sense. ethically would it make sense to say exactly what you said, what i did was wrong, here is why i did it, is violated policy that exposed u.s. secrets. i did it because republicans were mean to me but i've got to
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be better than republicans and move on. why go back to the 1990s and do a clintonian parse. it doesn't work now when every member of the public has access to what she has said before, has access to the records that show that what she did was wrong and against policy. i don't get it. you know what really frustrates me is all the democrats who call people like me frustrated with clinton, and i want to tell them, stop calling me, call brooklyn. tell them to quit lying and you quit covering for her. force her to do the right thing so you can win this race. >> just to be totally clear, that congressional hearing on july 7th, trey gowdy asked director comey, is it true what she said? that nothing was marked classified. he said that's absolutely not true, that's from jim comey from the fbi. you think part of it, ron, is she has assessed in this race that she's up against someone that she can safely hold the ball and not go into detail and
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not talk about what exactly she did because he's getting away with it against donald trump? >> that is why, but i'm afraid she might be making a bad assessment. that's been their assessment from the beginning. i literally had seen your officials on background a year ago, more than a year ago, saying that trust doesn't matter, that bill clinton won even though he was trusted less than the two people he ran against. now we understand that trust does matter. she could still win, even by continuing this parsing and this lying, but then she's going to be leading a country where two-thirds of the people don't trust her. you can't transform our politics. you can't do half of the things that she wants to do, that need to be done if people don't trust her. that's the miscalculation they're making. they're only worried about winning this news cycle, only worried about winning on election day. they're not thinking about what they're doing to undermine, not just her credibility but credibility in our political system and the democratic party.
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>> ron, this is gene robinson. >> hey, gene. >> you have covered the clintons longer than just about anybody. i won't let you off the hook here. give us an insight into the psyche, what is going on inside the collective clinton head on this rather elementary point. >> i'm glad you asked. first, i'm not one of these clinton haters. i like and respect the clintons. i think i know where they're coming from. i just don't condone what they're doing. here is where they're coming from. they have been under attack for 30 years now. a lot self-inflicted, a lot of it isn't. vince foster, decent man, cared about his country, cared for the clintons. he had mental issues. unfortunately he killed himself, a tragedy for his familiar and tragedy for the clintons. the clintons have been accused of murdering him. that's going to create scar tissue. you get to the point where
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you're paranoid and partly because people are out to get you. you've been burned when you disclosed information and they have a sense of self-righteousness. they believe what they're doing is the right thing for the state, when i was in arkansas, or the country. and therefore, the ends justify the means. a lot of that worked in the old days when you could convince the gait ca gatekeepers, hey, we're doing the right things. now it's a cowboy mentality with communications and they're being burned by 300 million reporters who are looking at things differently. >> one of my favorite quotes in washington is that, in washington just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everybody isn't out to get you. >> exactly. that's the case for the clintons. >> exactly what the clintons feel like after all these years. ron fornier, thank you very much. coming up, "washington post's" robert costas joins us with his latest reporting on the fractures within the republican party. stay with us. ♪
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people. that's nonsense. we could have had four, five, 6,000 people. they've all been turned away. you saw it. it's a disgrace. that's for political reasons they were turned away. that's too bad. we've had a thousand people in there. the fire marshal said he's not allowed to have anymore even though the building holds many thousands of people. i want to tell you that. that's politics at its lowest. you ought to check it out. it's politics at its lowest. welcome back to "morning joe." mika is battling some laryngitis thing. >> no voice. >> two weeks of conventions will do it. >> she may come in later on and do a marge simpson imitation. see if we can get her on the set to do this. this morning we have with us former treasury official steve rattner, legendary ad man -- >> i can't even get my own word. >> who put legendary. that's barnicle.
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>> you mispronounced notorious. >> iconic. >> also nbc news senior white house correspondent, the legendary chris jansing. and "washington post's" eugene robinson, chris is a liss is a. we see a big jump for hillary clinton, a big post convention bounce. donny deutsch, you agree with me. trump borrows money from a russian ollie guard and starts trump tv. >> a friend of mine texted me and said trump is insane. what's going to have to his brand? look, donald trump is not winning this election. i've said this all along, he wants to run, he wants to have fun. he does not want to govern. what does he love to do? he loves to talk and be the center of attention. coming out of this, let's do some math. let's see even if only one of five supporters -- he starts trump tv, a digital network.
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his own party, the trump party tv network. >> pay $6.00 a month. >> say only 10 million of those 40 million voters vote for him. that's about $600 million of revenue a year. let's say it's february, an argument about the debt ceiling. hillary clinton speaks as the president. let's go to donald trump and see what he has to say. he'll continue to be the voice of disenfranchised america going forward. he is going to have the last laugh which is insane as it is. he's not going to be president. he will be a party unto himself going forward. he's not going away. you think he's going away after this? we will be watching the trump network and it will eventually be the trump party which republicans are going to have to deal with. he's not going away. he's not going to be president, but he is not going away. >> that is a question we have asked him, put to himself times. i asked him once, you asked him.
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i think we have a tape of it. have you actually thought through what it means to be president. do you want this job. >> donald, it's donny, let me ask you a question. i asked this to you on the phone a couple weeks ago. i didn't get an answer. i want you to hear the entire question. i know you want to win. have you thought through, literally, literally coming to that office every day and what that job would be? i know you pretty well, my friend. do you actually want that job or do you just want to win? >> look, it's not a question of wanting to win or wanting the job. i know i can do a great job. there are things being done now that are so incompetent. these are grossly incompetent people. >> i'm talking about you now. forget about all the other people. >> we have grossly incompetent people running our country. i know i can do a great job. my slogan, make america great again. >> all he had to say was yes, of course i want the job, i'm running for president. what a dumb question.
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>> this past week he got a little further away from the oval office. >> we talked a week ago about the bump he got out of his convention. now hillary clinton getting a bump out of hers. let's look at some of the polling. according to cnn and orc, hillary clinton opened up a nine-point lead on donald trump. her support jumped seven points since before the democratic convention. his dropped five. clinton leads trump by a similar margin when you bring in gary johnson, taking 9%, jill stein with 5%. hillary clinton up eight points. 16% of voters say they still could change their mind about their vote. 44% made up their mind for hillary clinton. 36 locked in for donald trump. our own nbc news survey monkey weekly tracking poll has the general' lurks at an eight-point spread since the dnc wrapped up. clinton up 50% while trump dropped three to 42% hillary clinton has slide fied her
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support among democrats claiming an 80% favorability rating among the base. >> robert costa, talk about the panic that is ensuing on capitol hill among republicans. >> there's really a divide in washington about how to handle trump moving forward. some see him as a candidate out of control, undisciplined. others say, hey, he's our nominee. we have to navigate this and ride the wave and try to endure. i think there's a sense that latter category is really the majority of people in washington. they think they really can't go to a different option at this point. so they're trying to figure out how they can distance themselves in some places, while not rescinding their endorsement. >> do you hear word of any republicans right now thinking about withdrawing their endorsement of donald trump? >> you've seen some people like sally bradshaw, the former bush adviser, she's left the party in
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the last couple days. you're not seeing a mass migration away from trump. you see statements saying i don't agree with trump on this or that. a lot of people in washington have made careers out of being party people. that instinct is not really going away. >> chris ill siz sa, the cnn poll shows hillary clinton with a big pump and over 50%. something very important, not only politically but psychologically. >> absolutely. look at the cnn poll, too, not just that she's moved, but her number went up ten points among people who said, are you voting for her or against donald trump. 48% -- 38% prior to the convention, 48% after it. what does that mean? it means that the convention worked. clinton sold a story of her that made people say, you know what? i'm voting for her. we talked about this on the show
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before. positive, optimistic, people want to vote for something. this is going to be a super negative election. no secret there. but people want some sort of thing to say at the ballot box, i'm voting positively, proactively for this person. she did a very good job of that at the convention. trump likes to tout the ratings he got. lots of people watched it and lots and lots of people didn't like his speech. >> bob, let me go back for one second. you were talking about congress and the pressure paul ryan is feeling to hold the party together, so he can't out right come out and revoke his support for donald trump. john mccain was an interesting figure to watch. he was getting pressure from higher ups and elders in the party to say something because of who he is. he's in a tight race at home in arizona. how difficult is this call for a lot of the people up there? >> for mccain, a lot of his statement comes fromback his
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background as a war hero. he's someone in an interesting political position, he has a primary coming up later this month in a state whose republican party is pretty red meat, a little bit to the right, populist, anti illegal immigration. in the general election, facing ann kirkpatrick. it's a tight race. these polls show a close race. i was calling trump's advisers and friends saying what do you think about mccain? is his statement a big moment? rudy giuliani told me, a close confidant of trump, i think mccampaign is making a political calculation. in his view, he said he had a lot of respect for mccain, but he thinks mccain is trying to make sure he wins over those swing voters in arizona. that's giuliani's perspective. you see mccain, a lot of people in the party were hoping he would be a gusher, more statements like that. still there's this hesitation to break fully from donald trump. >> willie, just to quickly add to point's point. it's stunning. you read that mccain statement,
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we can't do this, we should honor the families, but no rescinding of the endorsement. it's a remarkable thing because the problem is they are afraid of the trump voter. they cannot walk away from him. at the same time -- mccain in his heart of hearts thinks i can't believe we nominated this guy, i can't believe this is happening. at the same time he sees what trump has done in the primary process, and he does not want to get on the wrong side of it. it's stunning. you read that statement and you think, he can't possibly support him. well, he still does. >> steve rattner, it's like paul ryan who said donald trump made what he thought was ep pitization -- epitome of a racist statement. yet he still supports him. >> it would seem to me the easiest people to walk away from are people, a, not in a re-election fight and, b, not part of the leadership. i would be looking to some of the senior republicans insulated
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from some of those risks to be stepping up and really distancing themselves from trump. chris, at this point the trajectory for the moment of the campaign seem to be set. hillary got past the e-mail thing over the weekend thanks to donald trump. she's on her game. she's playing her game, got a billionaire, she's out there. trump is flailing away, he doesn't seem to have much of a strategy at the moment, and obviously in a terrible mess over the muslim thing and some of the other things. what, if anything, do you see changing these trajectories at this point, even though it's tell relatively early in the general? >> steve, i got an e-mail yesterday from a democratic strategist who is not favorably inclined to the clintons who says she looks like she's finally got it together, that they've finally sort of found a message, they found a message against trump that's working. she's got some momentum. what changes it? that trump is able to fundamentally alter the electorate and/or become somehow
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different in terms of message discipline than he is right now. i think the latter is not going to happen. if you read any interview with trump, he always says i think my combine is going great. he told george stephanopoulos over the weekend, i've run a flawless campaign. i don't think he's going to change that. the question is can he fundamentally alter the electorate that we've seen dominate this election, electoral politics for the last two decades. he's closer in pennsylvania right now than most republicans are. but there's not a lot of evidence otherwise since we're looking at the same old, same old battleground. his talk about making new york and california competitive, not really serious, frankly. so i don't think much will change. we've got 98 more days, i think largely you'll see a negative onslaught between the two candidates. >> the latest pennsylvania poll showed hillary clinton at 50 to donald trump's 41% even before this kahn controversy. >> there's so many of these polls that are changing, what looks like the trajectory of
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this race. we should point out at this stage of the game, most pollsters are not looking at this and saying this is baked in. let's take a look at what happens after the first debate. gene, certainly you have a provocative headline on your column today which is "is trump just plain crazy?" one of the things i was looking at over the last 24 hours, he came out and said it's going to look like he's raised $36 million in july, unheard of for the republicans when, in fact, in the same period in 2012 mitt romney raised $101 million. i guess my question to you is, do you think he say this is stuff because he doesn't know, because he believes if he says it his supporters will believe it? what's going on with these kinds of statements like i've run a flawless campaign? >> i have no idea. i genuinely have no idea. he just says stuff that is demonstrably, provebly not true.
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he contradicts himself. has these traits, tendencies that are erupting all over the place, and the column i wrote was just to ask the question -- i didn't try to diagnose some sort of personality disorder or this or that. i used the lay term, is he crazy? this is crazy stuff. i have a question actually for bob costa which is, because you've covered the trump campaign very closely and you know the people involved. and so i'll ask you a question i asked earlier in the program. is there no one who can take away his phone? is there know one who can tell him, gee, it's not a good idea to crusade against fire marshals and fire protection which he seems to be his latest tact. is there no one that has that sort of influence over him? >> gene, as a reporter, listening to donny about, does trump really want this and reading your column, is trump
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crazy? looking at my notebook over the last 18 months, he's isolated. he's on his plane, in trump tower. he operates on his own. yes, there are advisers like paul manafort around him, his family. i think a lot of them are sometimes overrated in their influence on trump. he is someone who is doing this as a solo project, and whether he's on the phone, gene, or calling different people, that's why he's battling with the fire marshals, everything is coming from the gut. he will never apply himself to the norms of american politics. each day is a new controversy because he doesn't apply himself to the usual metrics and traditions of the way this is run. >> to robert's point, you have to think about this man prior to 18 months ago, the way he's lived his life. if you've been up to his office or if you know him, it's not this huge sprawling organization. he has a few people around him. norma, his secretary for years, his kids. when you were a dwoerp and
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builder, you don't work for anybody, you decide what projects you want to do, you decide who you want to pay, how you want to pay them. he has answered to no one other than his own voice his entire life. >> and what he thinks works for him, and he wrote it on the first page of "art of the deal,". i wrote a column about this, was not being prepared. don't take notes, don't sit there going, what am i going to do tomorrow when i get to work. show up at work, see what comes your way, pick up the phone and start making calls. he wrote that, yes, 35 years ago. that's how he lives his life. >> which is, of course, the antithesis of having the most important job in the free world. let me finish with one thought. even if donald trump loses, and he's already set it up as far as the rigging -- even if he loses, in his mind he will not have lost. we've got to stop waiting for a pivot, stop baiting for the voices around.
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he's not changing annual eye oat that. even if it meant winning for him to change, it's more important for him to be right and who he is versus change and win, because that would mean he was wrong about something. you have to get into the psychology of it. >> one of the things that i find supremely ironic about this campaign is you've got the ceo businessman which some of us think bring some skills to the table in terms of organization and management and things like that. he brags about fixing the rink and ferry point park. it's one of the worst run campaigns i've ever been anywhere near in my time. >> because it's a mom and pop organization. he's not warren buffett. >> he's not really a manager. he's a hustler. >> yesterday was a perfect example. there was a frenzy in the newsroom. the people covering the trump campaign sent out a note, he's going to do an impromptu press conference going into his next place. we're like, could he possibly give us some version of an explanation or apology to the
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kahn family, what's going on? and he went off on the fire marshals. he doesn't do that. i don't understand -- i guess that is the truth, that one tells him. he just decides, get the press corps together. i'm mad about this, i want to vent. >> that philosophy that works for him in business worked for him for a year in this campaign. the lesson learned is, yes, i can apply this to politics. >> because the primary campaign is a relalt show, is an elimination reality show. now that we're the more granular world, it's very different. >> he doesn't make that distinction. >> he's running a flawless campaign, you heard him. >> chris sicillizza, what worksn a republican primary actually infiltered hurts you in a general election. if you go for the voters the way
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he went for the voters in the primary, it hurts you in the general election. you do have to make a pivot. you do have to run -- you have to soften up. it's not even ideological. you just have to soften up your tact. he refuses to do it. he's getting absolutely pounded in the polls. women aren't voting for him, hispanics aren't voting for him. certainly blacks aren't voting for him. in the cnn poll, only 12% of non-white people are voting for him. those numbers are far worse than mitt romney's. >> it's the equivalent of singing a song to your family where your family likes you and will be inclined to like your song. singing a song to 30,000 people in an arena, it's not the same thing. you can sing the exact same song in the exact same way, it's noing going to be effective. i'm on only child. my mom thinks i'm great --
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>> we've got a couch for you, pal. >> she tells me every day. if you have to go meet 20,000 people a day, not all of them will be as favorable and kind towards me. here is the problem, as you heard because he talks about it ad nauseum. he got short of 14 million votes in the primary. mitt romney got 60 million votes in the general election and lost by 5 million votes. it's economies of scale larger. yes, he will get some people who didn't turn out in the primary who will vote for him in the general election if he does nothing. that's not the delta of 40 million people. you have to find a way to grow your universe. the way you do that, you widen that lane out. he's narrowing his lane. >> he is narrowing his lane. it gets more narrow by the day. we can even use an example of one issue, moving beyond your issues with your mother, chris. we that about one issue, the
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muslim ban. when he first opposed to muslim ban, that was very popular in the republican party. the first poll i saw was a pew poll and among republicans, it was popular. among all americans, only 32% supported it, something like 64% of americans opposed it. that was back in the fall. this stuff is not hard. it's really not unless you just don't want to do the work. and this is a guy who has never wanted to do the grunt work. >> and it's his way or no other way and that's it, period. not hard to figure out. by the way, i'm not talking about a non-negative day. has he had one positive day of campaigning since he became the presumptive candidate? i'm not talking about a day, where, it's oh, in his speech he didn't say something stupid. has there been one positive day, where we go, wow, this is why he
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should be president? >> it's been a really rough run for him starting with the indiana judge through the kahns, chris cillizza, robert kahn and gene robinson, chris jansing, thank you. still ahead on "morning joe." they showed bernie very angry, talking about bernie, because he made a bad deal. he should not have made a deal. once he made that deal -- believe me, he has buyers' remorse. he looked at that and he was so angry when they were talking about him, and his people are angry at him, and they should be. if he would have just not done anything, just go home, go to sleep, relax, he would have been a hero. he made a deal with the devil. she's the devil. he made a deal with the devil. it's true. >> lucifer. >> nbc's hallie jackson joins us
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joining us now from washington, former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. also publisher of mullins.com rich gail len who served as press secretary of dan quayle. in columbus, ohio, nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. hallie, we'll start with you, donald trump still facing a lot of criticism for his comments and back and forth with the kahn family over the weekend. >> absolutely. what you're seeing, willie, is the campaign trying to shift the focus, trying to do what trump does when he comes under fire. he doesn't apologize, doesn't back down. he tries to basically change the subject. right now the subject they're trying to talk about is terrorism, radical islamic terrorism. you've even heard it from
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supporters like marco rubio who was asked about this. while praising kahn's service said, what we should be focusing on is the radical form of jihad. the kahns have been everywhere, very public in their criticism of donald trump and very emotional, essentially forcing trump to fire back. here is a medley of what he's been saying over the last 24 hours. >> i was very viciously attacked, as you know, on the stage, and i was surprised to see it. all i did, i have great honor and great feeling for his son, mr. khan's son. as far as i'm concerned, he's a hero, but horrible things were said about me. i think it was frankly very tough. all i did was respond. i will always respond. >> you did call this man's son a hero, did you not? >> yes, i did. absolutely. whenever you the gold star families, whenever you have what you and i have discussed in the past, these are great people,
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great families, frankly. >> i can say this, if i was president -- his son died 12 years ago. if i were president, his son wouldn't have died because i wouldn't have been in the war, if i was president back then. there would have been no war for iraq. i think it's ridiculous, the whole thing. >> reporter: here is a couple of notable points about that series of statements you just heard from donald trump. number one is what he said in the first one, that i will always respond. there's a sense, especially among some republicans, that donald trump doesn't always have to respond. in this instance it would have been more politically advantageous for him to back up, not comment on it. here is something else, what you've seen from trump is him not bringing this up on his own necessarily. he's being asked about it by interviewers and addressing it in these interviews. he's not, for example, other than yesterday morning tweeting about it. his last tweet was at 8:00 or 9:00 yesterday and not bringing it up at his rallies either,
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which is notable for trum. i heard you talking about it, where he called this gaggle, informal press conference, 30 media people sprinting out of the hallway thinking he would address the khan controversy since it's been in the headlines for 72-plus hours, but instead, it was against the local fire marshal. perhaps donald trump is hoping to put this behind him. again, the khans aren't letting it go. >> already, hallie jackson, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. rich, let me bring you in. as a republican that's been around d.c. a good bit, i will read you the results of a new poll. it's what the drudge reporter would have the siren on top for this -- >> the light. >> utah, donald trump 35%, a
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poll just released, hillary clinton 36%. hillary clinton is ahead this morning in salt lake city tribune poll in utah. >> let me say three things, really. one, i'm still waiting for steve rattner to explain to us the effects of inventory drawdown on the gdp. >> that's coming up in an hour special. >> i've had to go to the bathroom for the last hour and 17 minutes and i haven't gone for fear i'd miss it. let me say this about polling. as we all know, polling in the summertime is very dicy, especially when you get into august. polling over the weekend is really dicy any time. polling over the weekend in summertime is, as my cardiologist says, as useless as a resting electrocardiogram. i wouldn't put too much into this. the other side of this whole
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discussion is, we talk about what trump is going to do to republicans running for office. what's hillary doing to help the democrats? i haven't heard a single thing out of their campaign -- the dnc has had its own problems. donna brazile will get that strit end straightened out sooner or later. if donald trump is maybe harming republicans candidates, and i haven't seen much to support that, what's the clinton campaign doing to help democrats. >> i'll give you the answer to that. nothing. i love what's happening today. we've been on the air for are an hour and a half, probably 1:20 is on trump. all hillary clinton has to do is continue to make this a referendum on donald trump, that he's unfit for office and too scary to elect. she doesn't have to give a compelling argument. >> i think the bigger problem may be, howard dean, for republicans at least, just how divisive donald trump is.
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you love him or you hate him. if you're kelly ayotte in new hampshire, you're sitting there going, okay, let's see, if i support him, then i'm going to offend 60% of the voters here, and if i oppose him, then i lose my base. i may lose either way. >> i think you're right, although coat tails i think are a little exaggerated, particularly in the senate where people tend to know the people who are running. here is the big problem that trump will cause for people like john mccain and kelly ayotte. he's boosting the turnout among hispanic populations' nor moursly. what i discovered in the last couple weeks just by accident is that hispanics and muslims, which is a much smaller population, used to vote republican, are self organizing. registration drives don't get you anywhere. one-sixth of the people you register end up in the polls
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unless you have a hell of a followup operation like obama did. community-based self registration does matter. that turnout is not going to vote republican anyways. that's a problem and it's a problem for john mccain and a number of other people. >> obviously if donald trump implodes and doesn't do well, you know better than anybody else what happens when you have these big elections, these landslide elections, whether it was us in 1994 or obviously in 1980, a lot of democratic senators got washed out to see whether ronald reagan won. in 1963, it was a bleak night for republicans. >> on the other hand, joe, there have been two times when republican presidents have won 49 states in their re-election campaigns. nixon in '72 and reagan in '84. in both of those 49-state wipeouts, democrats went a net
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plus two in the senate. so i'm not sure that everybody -- it's a different time. i understand that. it's not clear to me that people are going to say, okay, i'm going to vote here and i'm only going to do that. i think the senate -- one thing we do know, when obama is not on the ballot, turnout among minorities is a completely different thing. karen wrote about that after the last midterm from "the washington post." i think she was right. >> is there a risk for hillary clinton and her campaign with the risk of overconfidence. we have donald and joe saying it's unlikely donald trump will win. she got a big bump in the polls after the democratic convention. should we stop overstating what her advantages is -- >> we're absolutely overstating. i'm with the folks that believe -- i'm with rich on polling in the summertime on the weekends. i think we're in better shape
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than we were before the republican and democratic conventions, but lots of things can happen. i do want to disagree with donny. hillary is pursuing somewhat of a 50-state strategy which is very unusual for a sitting candidate. it's not so unusual for president. it's unusual for a candidate, because i think she gets in the long run, if she wants to do anything, she's going to have to have a congress more willing to work with her. it doesn't have to be a democratic congress, but it has to be more reasonable and thoughtful than the last six years. >> howard, i'm going to push back. you want to win this election, i don't care who you are, you make it a referendum on donald trump. >> i agree with that. i agree with that. she is putting resources into local parties in key races. i think that's a good thing. >> she also is targeting. i'm not looking at these post convention polls saying donald trump is not going to win because of the polls that are right in front of my face right now, a utah poll that came out
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right now. i'm doing it for two things, one, demographics. in a general election, demographics is destiny. two, let's look at this like an olympic athlete. if there's one athlete training using state-of-the-art technology, and another one sitting at home watching xbox, playing "call of duty" drinking beer every day, i can tell you who is going to win the 100 meter dash. >> the thing about the senate races, i think republicans will hang on to the senate. here is why. senate campaigns have become very sophisticated in their own right, very well funded. thayer all independently doing id calls right now. if i'm the senator and i've got a pro gail llen voter, i'll tur them out. to your point, the trump campaign may not have any capacity to find that trump
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voter -- >> let me say, first of all, great stat. now i know why you got rich galen here even though he can't follow rattner on whatever you said, rattner, that's a great state in '72 and '84 when republicans won 49 states. i also want to say, going to rich's point, the race we missed last night in 2014, we called most of the races, but we missed tom tillis out of north carolina. we missed tom tillis because he microtargeted in a way very few did. the polls were three, four percentage points off the entire time. i talked to him afterwards, how did you do it? he talked about the microtargeting, the outfit they used, it was state of the arlt.
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he pulled people out that no one knew was there. >> howard dean, rich galen. talk to rattner off-line. we have former u.s. ambassador nick burns on what he says might be the most reckless thing that donald trump said this entire campaign when we return on "morning joe." we got another one. i have an orc-o-gram for an "owen." that's me. ♪ you should hire stacy drew. ♪ ♪ she wants to change the world with you. ♪ ♪ she can program jet engines to talk and such. ♪ ♪ her biggest weakness is she cares too much. ♪ thank you. my friend really wants a job at ge. mine too. ♪ i'm a wise elf from a far off shire. ♪ and sanjay patel is who you should hire. ♪ thank you. seriously though, stacy went to a great school and she's really loyal. you should give her a shot. sanjay's a team player and uh... waiter: here's your check. oh! you--you got it. you know, since i got rid of my car, i really enjoy walking. ok. got it? no, i'm good.
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said, but they're already in ukraine. i said, well, yeah, that was two years ago. you want to go back? you want to have world war iii to get it back. >> with us, former state department spokesman nick burns, now professor to harvard kennedy school of government. he's here to explain donald trump's foreign policy to us. >> oh, boy, don't do that to me. >> thank you very much. >> too early in the morning. >> the tease was, you're going to tell us the most dangerous thing donald trump has said. what's the answer? >> i think the answer is, he said to david sanger of "the new york times" two weeks ago that he might consider recognizing the ruks occupation of crimea and lifting sanctions. he also said in that same interview and he's repeated this, he wouldn't necessarily come to the defense of the nato allies if they were attacked by russia. this is the most dangerous thing he has said in this campaign on foreign policy because it contradicts the policy of every
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mayor president since truman. all republicans and democrats have agreed that the way to keep the peace in europe is to be tough-minded, support your allies, be true to your word, defend the nato alliance and show toughness against russia. >> explain the danger of russia. i talk to trump supporters who say, it's not the soviet union anymore, we don't have anything to worry about. >> well, it invaded georgia in 2008, annexed crimea in 2014. no european leader has done anything like that since the nazis in the 1930s. it's now divided ukraine and threatening our nato allies. we haven't seen this kind of russian policy in a very, very long time. it has direct repercussions for united states because we have a nato alliance that unites north america with europe, our security is indivisible with europe. if europe is attacked, a nato member, we are by treaty
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obligated to defend them. that's what keeps putin out of eastern europe. trump, by saying essentially he would allow russia to run rough shot over the east europeans invites further russian aggression. that's the essential problem. it turns ronald reagan on its head and dwight d. eisenhower and richard nixon and both president bushs. they're the ones, along with the democratic presidents, who believe we have to stand up to the russians. trump is not doing anything of the kind. >> the other piece of trump's so-called foreign policy i have trouble of parsing, on the one hand he staked out this isolationist position which relates back to what you were saying about russia and nato and so forth. on the other hand, he says he's going to eradicate isis. i'm not sure how you square that circle or how he would square that circle. >> i think that's right. i think what we've learned since 9/11 is, if we're going to defeat isis or any other terrorist group, it has to be a universal effort.
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you need allies to help you with judicial alliance. trump says nato is irrelevant because it's not fighting the war on terrorism. every nato member is in afghanistan fighting the taliban. they went there after 9/11 when they invoked article 5. that's why we need nato and our alliances, because they strengthen us and we don't want to be in this fight alone. >> ambassador, it's willie geist. donald trump's central argument on hillary clinton is she has helped cause along with president obama a world spinning out of control, that the middle east has been shattered from syria to libya to iraq and moved up isis, given them hot beds and moved them into western europe. isn't he right about a lot after that? >> i don't think so. i think the problems in the middle east are deeply rooted. they go back decades, if not more. it is true that the invasion of iraq in 2003 led to all sorts of
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unforeseen consequences and ultimately because there is a vacuum of power in both syria and iraq, the growth of isis. trump is wrong about how to fight this threat. the united states can't just apply military force alone and we can't go it alone and i do think he is articulating in his own strange way a highly isolationist foreign policy. and the one way were ieng going to fail in the world in the tu tour, and i hope we never do, is by going it alone. i think president obama, president george w. bush, for any of the mistakes they made, understand you need friends and allies in the world. that's fundamentally where trump is going wrong. >> i think to be honest with you, i think both of the last two administrations obviously have to take responsibility for american actions, both the bush and obama administrations. but i find secretary clinton has
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a much more realistic way of approaching this issue, and i think she's got a grounded policy. she's not going to put a big american land army back into the middle east. that would be foolish. she certainly understands stands we have to be more active if you look at her policy positions on both iraq and syria and building a bigger alliance to help us contain and ultimately defeat the islamic state. >> mr. ambassador, what do you think would change in terms of american foreign policy next year if clinton wins? >> what would change is she would strengthen our position in europe and i think also as an alliance builder in the middle east, she's one swho has talked about the need for united states to be focused on refugees in syria which is absolutely critical. there are 12 million homeless in syria. there's going to be a lot of continuity with president obama. you saw that at the convention and you've seen that in her policy platforms. strong american leadership,
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that's what worries people about donald trump. he talks a very good game, but would be a weak american leader if you look at his policy positions. >> ambassador nicholas burns, thank you very much. we have more "morning joe" coming up in just a minute. >> wouldn't it be great if we actually got along with russia? am i wrong many saying that? wouldn't it be great, okay? you know, russia, like us, has nuclear weapons, folks. it would be really nice if we got along with russias and others that we don't get along with right now. wouldn't it be nice if we teamed up with russia and others including surrounding states and maybe nato and we knocked the hell out of isis and got rid of these people? ♪it's peyton on sunday mornings.♪ (peyton) you know with directv nfl sunday ticket you can watch your favorite team no matter where you live. like broncos or colts. (cashier) cool. (peyton) ah...18. the old number.
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you know, it's always embarrassing to me. i go into a primary. i went by a landslide. it's a little embarrassing. people don't want to say they want to vote for me but they say is anybody looking? i'm thinking trump is going to bring back our jobs. >> new polling out this morning shows a convention bounce for hi hillary clinton. robinson questions donald trump's sanity. >> what? >> a tweet from donald trump
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they don't know how to write good. hi. i'm derrick zoolander. we teach students of all anyones everything they need to know to be a professional model and a professional human being. >> you speak good. >> i speak good. >> we don't do this good either. welcome to "morning joe." they don't write good. the question is, is our children learning? today we have with us the cohost with all due respect on msnbc when they don't like cut into it for a warren buffet speech last night. >> yeah. >> i got to tell you, i wrote phil griffin. i said don't preempt. what about don rickels.
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>> it was pretty fascinating. we have steve ratner and chris j jansing and eugene robinson. >> what a provocative new column. eugene robinson diagnosed a republican nominee. >> i didn't diagnose. i said there was a problem. i'm making just an observation. >> so does it have to do with his mental well being? >> well, gee, you know, you think good. >> you know, i will tell you why i ask you this.
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it's pretty remarkable. i filled in calls all day yesterday from conservatives, republicans, officials, from people that the media would call right-wing bloggers, whatever you want to call it. my, that shot is far away. hey out there. and everybody was asking me about his mental health. >> we had somebody on the set yesterday. it said back in 1964 psychiatrists had to analyze barry and they swore they would stay out of politics. but it was all everybody was talking about yesterday. it's not like there was talking points that was shot out by the dnc or by anybody else. everybody was talking about his mental health yesterday. everybody was calling me saying what's happening to him?
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what is wrong with him? the reason i say this, it's like it exploded. you have written this column about it. >> i have a friend not that politically involved. he said somebody that has to do a psychological profile and is he really healthy. >> you hate to say this, but at this point when you keep doing things that are going to hurt you, that are going to damage your cause, that seem so disconnected from reality and standard norms of human behavior, i mean everybody keeps asking most disturbingly, if it worked. it is really bad for my party.
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but now you even have republicans that are sighing privately, mentally, have you ever seen him like this before? no. i haven't. i have never seen him act like this before. it is unhinged. it is not the donald trump i have known for over a decade. i have never seen anything remotely resembling this type of behavior from a guy i have known and liked and called a friend. >> and i am wondering if you heard, people were asking me, why can't anyone around him get him to stop? >> i think it has gotten worse over the past month. >> if anyone can get him to stop. >> his family. they could. his family could all call meetings and say come on, you have got to stop doing this. >> can they take the phone, joe? can they just like take the phone or whatever he uses for
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his tweets? >> i'm telling you, we are in unchartered territory. there was a time people could talk to him and say this is damaging you. this is hurting you. you know, for the kids, i mean it hurts the name. it hurts the brand. don jr. could have a really good future but right now -- >> some of this is -- >> it is insanity. >> some of this is so emotional though. it doesn't feel like a strategy. >> it's not a strategy. >> it's pure emotion. >> it's well beyond strategy at this point. >> who does he go after? firefighters. he did it in colorado springs and in columbus. it is to to point that the colorado springs firefighters had to issue a statement defending themselves saying do
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you want us to break the law and jeopardize people's safety? >> this is how disconnected he is. any other republican candidate would only have to talk about two things, go back to what hillary clinton said on sunday, where she was still lying about her e-mails, still lying about what the fbi director said on national television in front of congress. the second thing is we have the slowest economic recovery since 1949. those two things play into his hands in ohio, in pennsylvania and all across the country. instead, these bizarre rants. i mean this is the most disturbing part for me. republicans like paul ryan and even john mccane will not take back their endorsement from
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somebody who is so detached from true conservatism. >> you know, that story goes away and becomes a moment at that con vinvention. we are talk ability it because he continues to comment on it i was wondering what john mccain was going to say. he did come out with that big statement yesterday. i agreed. i wonder when some people will say enough is enough. i can't support the candidate. >> i can't endorse this guy. >> right. >> lincoln said that you support
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somebody and support somebody when they doing the right things. when you stop that you stop supporting those people. who is it going to be? i hope it's john mccain. i hope it would be paul ryan. i hope some republican would step forward and say i'm out. >> you have other people who was a long-time top aid to jeb bush and who was key in his campaign and said she left the party but these are not -- the people who have big names who are in positions of influence and power have not done that yet. >> can we -- >> yeah. they said if you don't support donald trump republicans aren't going to win the presidency. >> yeah. >> this is at this point for me, and i'm just being a republican.
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it's about not getting wiped out in the house or state legislatures. we dominate the governor ships, dominate the legislatures. we have a lot to lose. standing bay guy that we vis rates a gold-star mother, they need to distance themselves from this guy now. they would be shocked what would happen if people would show a little courage. >> let's see what he said about mccain yesterday. >> i support the nominee of the party. any time from now on when that question is asked, if i change my mind i'll let you know, okay? >> senator, you use to be known
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as a maverick. it seems you are towing the party lines these days. are you not a maverick anymore? >> i appreciate your opinions and i enjoy them. i have i let the people of arizona decide. >> he condemns what mr. trump has done but he will not pull his support for the republican n nominee. >> i think one prominent person could break -- most of them want to wait for the first debate and see if he can revolution noise in the first debate but a lot of wives and daughters are pressuring members of congress to say, this is not good for you politically and not good for your soul. >> and not good for paul ryan politically and not good for paul ryan's soul. donald trump supporting paul
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ryan's opponent -- >> primary opponent. >> yeah. >> and donald trump tweeted thank you for your support. let's look at the backdrop of all of this now. snapshots of the presidential race, where the general election stands now. according to cnn and orc hillary clinton opened up a 9-point lead. it jumped 7 points while his drops 5. clinton leads trump in a four-way race with gary johnson. he takes 9% and stooin gets 5%. 44% people have made up their mind for clinton and 36% locked in for trump. our new sur vie weekly tracking poll has it at app 8 point poll. clinton up 4 points and trump dropped 3 points to 42. it narrows to 5 points between
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clinton and trump. yesterday we brought you the cbs poll that showed clinton leading by 5 points, 46-39. a full 60% say hillary clinton is prepared for the job of commander in chief. nearly the same number say she is a strong leader and has the right temperament. 34% see her honest as trus trustworthy. donald trump is stuck in the mid-to low 30s on honesty, temperament and being prepared for white house. >> hillary wins big on being prepared for the job. honesty and integrity both pretty low. mark, what do you think of the
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polls? >> obviously her being above 50 -- huge. trump can be pretty confident that they will vote against her in the end as the quasi incouple wa . it is not electoral college. >> this is just a snapshot. george bush came back from an 18-point deficit. >> this is just a snapshot. we have a very very long way to go. that said, the democratic convention did the trick. >> it was very well executed and it did highlight aspects that don't erase people's debts but vote rs say well, you may not trust her on everything but she is a strong leader. first debate is really key for trump. 97 days to go.
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if he is talking about the economy he has a chance to narrow this and win an electoral college victory. i think his coalition becomes hard to build. >> you said -- >> i am trying to figure out, why isn't he talking about 1% growth? >> yeah. why is he talking about the slowest growing recovery since 1949? >> you said a few minutes ago republicans are not going to win the presidency. now we have to protect the senate. do you believe that? >> i believe that without a doubt. i believe that without a doubt. i believe it because he lacks the discipline. you know, first of all, donald trump is just not doing what is required to win. forget about all of the crazy statements and all of the crazy speeches, there's a lot of stuff that you do behind the scenes.
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you know, daifvid talked about e people that were working on all of the obama campaign. he said you would go underground and open up doors and there would be guys with moss growing off of their faces and teeth. they were in another world and they knew where every vote was. david was telling me how much barack obama would win bay month out. >> in every state. >> he knew exactly where every vote was because they knew exactly where every vote was. they revolutionized it in '08 and '12. you can't -- you literally can't win that way. you just can't. it would be like an olympic athlete saying i'm going to play x-box to play for the olympics.
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they are not going win. >> i was going to call him a throwback or throw forward or something. but where ever he is is not where the state of campaigning is today. it is highly data driven. yes. he knew where every vote was. i mean that operation was incredible. they knew not just in the primary season but in the general election where everybody was and they got them out to the polls. i don't think you can win the presidency without doing that. i also don't think you can win the presidency frankly by ali alienating constituencies. if they are upset with donald trump -- >> yeah, gold-star mothers and you add on top of that chris.
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i always say demographics is destiny. it is something george w. bush realized in 1998. they can't rely ton white people to win anymore. here we are and donald trump getting 12% of the nonwhite vote, 12%. >> what happened to the autopsy and all of the work that went into the work with the rnc. you guys were going to have to move forward and it hasn't happened. i talked to both camps about that micro targeting of those voters, it's not just knowing where those voters are, it's knowing how to get them to vote for you and get out to the polls. if you're a democrat and you target somebody you know is their big issue education? it's knowing if there's a teacher volunteering that's the person you send to their door to make sure they are voting for you and they get you out.
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the disparity between the two sides and the fundamental understanding of what it's going to take to win an election in 2016 is very broad. >> and here is another thing talking about the disconnect from donald trump. his family understands and have understood for a very long time that they need today raise money and invest money in data. they know that. they have been concerned about that. they have got a candidate that doesn't want to do what has to be done to win, which has lead somebody extremely close to donald trump to say he doesn't want to lose but he doesn't really want to win. he doesn't want to govern. doesn't want to lose but he really doesn't want to win because that means he'll have to do a lot of things he doesn't want to do. >> i have heard that theory and maybe it is true.
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it is a bizarre way to go about your life. >> we are talking about him right now. >> and he did say the other day in one of those contexts that there's no such thing as bad publicity. i wonder if it is donald trump saying i got this far. i did it may way. all of these advisers, paid people, whatever, why would i listen to them? or maybe he is really about being a great businessman, a great leader, organizer. maybe he is a lousy manager and he can't get from here to there. >> still ahead on "morning joe." >> i have news for him. i am under audit too. i would be delighted to meet him any place, any time between new and election. i'll bring my tax return. he could bring his tax return. nobody is going to arrest him.
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there are no rules against showing your tax returns and just let people ask us questions about the items that are on there. >> warren buffet throws down the gauntlet. can hillary clinton win the congressional district there? it is one that could actually make a difference like president barack obama did in 2008. here is bill with a check on the forecast. >> a pretty quiet day out there. we are getting much-ne needed r. it is exiting long island. the only problem weather we have had all night, the exact same thing yesterday morning. here in missouri possibility of threatening weather there. 3 to 4 inches of rain there and it is still pouring. we have the cooldown in the northeast and in the middle of
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the country looking and seeing a return to the triple digit temperatures. we have heat advisorieadvisorie. we have kansas city too. it is 101 in dallas. these are some of the hottest temperatures we have seen. it will head into the ohio valley. chicago goes up to 90 by thursday. if you want to talk about heat and humidity how about monroe, louisiana. three days in a row 109 to 110 to 109. south central into the central plains the heat is really a problem. 70s in new england. thunderstorms in florida this afternoon. all of our friends on the west coast dealing with a nice day on the coast. a sneak peek shows much of the same. washington d.c., we are ending your heat wave. you finished 12 straight days in a row of 90 degree temperatures.
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himself. the next ten years the company looses money every year, every single year. he takes out $44 million of compensation during that period. in 1995 when he offered this company, if a monkey had thrown a dart at the stock page the monkey on average would have made 150%. >> that's our entire investment strategy right there. >> yeah. >> exactly. >> that was warren buffet yesterday invoking the question. >> it was a great civics lesson. he said i'll take ten people out to vote on election day. go to this weapon site. we all take ten people out. it is the part of nebraska where
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it can be core ddened off. >> and he won that one vote in 2012. >> buffet's point about the tax return was interesting too. he said we'll yield questions from the press. you can put your taxes out when you're under audit. >> no one is going to arrest us. >> right. coming up on "morning joe." >> the people in ohio and the rust belt. everybody is calling it for a reason, everything is rusting and rotting. you're losing your jobs. >> try to go win their votes by telling people everything is rotting. we'll be live from bethlehem, pennsylvania. it helped to find the industrial revolution. are places like his home state in play for the first time in a long time? you're watching "morning joe." get funky with your chicken.
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you have a son in the military. how do you tolerate his disrespect?
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>> well, i thank you for the question. it's all right. it's all right. folks, that's what freedom looks like and that's what freedom sounds like. >> it is also what a mom with a son in the military looks like and sounds like. >> kind of a fair question. >> yeah. they are booing her. george w. bush. people asked him about cind cindy shehan. he said i understand. she is going through a lot of pain right now and she has every right to ask those tough questions. george w. bush's reaction so different than what's going on with donald trump. he was being questioned by an active air force staff sergeant. pence went onto call captain
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kahn a hero. katy tur is live, what's lined up today? >> reporter: he will be in virginia today just outside of washington d.c. which is a little bit unusual for him. it is not his usual area he does well with. they are lined up for the events, an early morning event for donald trump. to touch on what you guys were talking about with this mother trying to confront governor pence, i can tell you at these rallies and when you speak to people outside of rallies, people talking about politics on the street, the supporters for trump have an us versus them mentality. if you're criticizing donald trump they don't believe you no matter who you are. you could be a member of the media, a politician, a mother of
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a soldier. if you're criticizing donald trump they have a belief there is something nefarious going on, that they are being pushed out by hillary clinton, that the media is in clinton's pocket, that the clinton campaign did this even though this was started a year ago or set a year ago by a nonpartisan group. the loudest the crowd gets is when they yell lock her up, lock her up, lock her up. it is something we hear multiple times per rally. it is even after comey cleared her of any wrong doing. they don't trust the fbi. they don't trust michael hayden. they don't trust anybody criticizing donald trump because they believe he is somebody who
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is so outside of the box that he will shake up the status quo and everybody is trying to stop him because they want to protect their own interests. >> does the campaign understand that to get beyond that 40 million, to get one more vote they have got to move away from lock her up and they have got to move the messages? anybody understand that campaign that they have got to get back to him talking about slow economic growth? is there anybody in that campaign that understand that? >> reporter: the campaign might understand that but the candidate doesn't understand that. as much as you can tell the candidate to get back on message or to back away from criticizing a gold-star family or not to respond to every single perceived slight, if it's a fire
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marshal or somebody that comes out on the stage. donald trump cannot do that. the campaign can't convince him not to do that because donald trump runs by his own script. he goes with his gets. he does what he wants to do. there is nobody within the family that can tell him what to do. they can try to corral him and bring him back on message but there's nobody that can control him. remember, that's part of the reason why people like him, i'm not sure donald trump believes getting on the policy points will be an effective strategy for him. controversies come one after another. one is because he is not so in depth with policy. he doesn't have a flushed out policy plan and two, it does not seem for covering him for 13 months he is interested in policy. >> right. that is the understatement of
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the morning. katy tur, i think you are correct. he may not be interested in learning policy. >> vote for me. just minutes ago we had our first repunily can house member to cross party lines, publicly declaring he will be voting for hillary clinton in november. richard hannah announced his decision in an interview stating for me it's not enough to denounce trump's comments. he is unfit to serve our party and he cannot lead this country. mark, that's a bit of a shock. it's one thing to say you're not voting for trump but quite another to say you're voting for hillary clinton. >> it is interesting. he is retiring. i think some will say it frees him up to speak his mind. i believe that the press is
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obsessed with unendorsing trump. i think it will not happen but this is going to get a lot of people here. i'm hearing rarts of sons and daughters and spouses. really questions them to drop the support! if you condemn donald trump but still endorse him you lose trump supporters. if you're still endorsing him you oat voters over the past ten months. >> and still have republican primaries coming up. >> yeah. >> if you look at john mccain what percentage are enthusiastic? 70% maybe? >> right.
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>> so you're not in a position electorally -- >> but even if he survives good luck getting your base out. >> if you're not endorsing donald trump. it's a terrible position. >> that devisiivision is what p ryan has been worried about. with us now another northeast republican, charlie dent of pennsylvania. nothing to talk about this year. just a very easy boring time out in the campaign trail. talk about what we were just discussing, that trump poses a series of problems for republicans in swing districts like yours. >> well, i have been fairly outspoken on this. i because john kasich supporter
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and i raised a lot of concerns about many of donald trump's incendiary comments to mccain, david duke, muslims, the indiana judge and now the kahn family situation. that plus the lack of policy specifics and the contradictory nature have caused me a great deal of concern. it is a tough situation. i is not endorsed donald trump. i believe she disqualified herself. >> so what do you tell republicans that come up to you? one says it's not enough not to vote for hillary clinton. if you don't vote for dan nald trump you're in the hearing
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that. >> and i have good issues. i raised issues about juan that is. those are bad. they said you're on the team. i said i think we need to say how we feel about this. i have a lot of friends and family who feel differently than i do. they don't disagree about the nature of these incendiary comments. >> donnie, nice to talk to you. you went through a list of greatest list of trumpisms and you said you can't endorse that behavior. dha does that mean you won't be voting for him? and if you are voting for him aren't you endorsing that
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behavior. >> i'm not endorsing. >> are you -- >> you're not going to vote? >> no. look, that's where i am and -- look, i'm like millions of americans right now. i have to be persuaded. i haven't been. that's why i stood out for john kasi kasich. he was the one candidate that was temperate. i think talks about conservatism, we should be talking about discipline, tab , stability, evolutionary change. i think it is something we need to get back to as a party, talk about things in that way. i think that kind of message would be well embraced by a vast majority of american people. >> tell us about richard hanna. what kind of political judgment
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ethics does he have? >> richard is a very good man. he is a good friend. he called me sunday night and told me he was not likely to do this. he has been a little bit frustrated especially as it comes to getting things done. like me, i think he has been very concerned about the incendiary statements and lack of policy. i was not shocked that richard did what he did. he is a good friend. she a good man. he is a rock solid guy. he didn't have a father growing up. he really started a business. he takes care of people. he is a wonderful guy. >> and congressman, where does our republican party go from here? the republican party that meets our base, the people that got you elected but also the people
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that use to have the kahns voting for republican candidates and swing voters voting for republican candidates, how do we balance these two competing interests? >> the one thing about the donald trump campaign is that he has pulled back the curtain and revealed the republican voter does not get up reading national review or does not fit the ted cruz profile. he has pointed out that many of the people who are backing him understand that donald trump is not ideal -- i noticed they are some what conservative on several issues and less so on others. i find it remarkable that guys
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like me for years have been condemned for not being pure enough. you know, the chiefs of the purity police say we don't quite measure up. they are the first ones -- >> now they are supporting him. >> yeah. >> they are supporting a guy that gave three contributions to hillary clinton, that said she would be a great president, that she would be a great negotiator not in the 70s or 80s but a few years ago. >> it is unbelievable. zbli get that quite a bit. everybody is imposing test. the -- they say that it's okay to jump right on board but others of us would be condemned. >> that's right. thank you so much for being with
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we raised about $35.8 million. this is unheard of for republicans. $35.8 million and it will be higher. that is an average of $69 a head. it is unbelievable. >> that was donald trump in pennsylvania last night bragging about the $35 million his campaign raised last month. it is really a big uptake in fundraising for him. mitt romney raised over $101 million. >> i'm confused. he said that was the most ever raised. >> most ever raised in 2016 by a republican in july. >> named donald trump. >> you're always picking, why? let's bring in sarah. we just got incoming spending figures a little bit ago.
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what are they showing? >> decent numbers on the economy. it looks like consumer spending was up. incomes were up too but they are not growing as fast. the american consumer continues to hold in there. more data coming later in the week. economists are optimistic that super good number can continue at least. maybe it will see 200,000. that is on friday. the markets are looking for a down start here at the open. if the losses hold -- they are minor losses. two big market move verse here. japan overnight unveiling a massive stimulus plan. some will go to payouts of low-income people. this is the 26th stimulus for
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japan since 1990. >> we have moved from the lost decade to the lost quarter century. >> they are looking for more money to be pumped in here by governments. >> thank you so much. >> the stimulus is back in. it is the new black. >> that does it for us this morning on "morning joe." tune in tomorrow and we'll have more plants and more kfc. >> finger-licking good. >> a million followers. >> we missed it. >> okay. stephanie will pick up the coverage in just a minute. gig h braindrone? can't blame you. it's a drone you control with your brain, which controls your thumbs, which control this joystick. no, i'm actually over at the ge booth.
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