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up here. okay. not as your president. >> good morning, welcome to "am joy." trump is now questioning hillary clinton's mental state after his recent comments had some critics questioning trump's sanity. and one of the reasons that he is stepping up his attacks, his continuing slide in the polls. a new abc washington post poll shows hillary clinton wit an eight point advantage. and joining me perry bacon jr. and deann doan and kate dawson. and let's jump into the polls. and a.j., the four-way race between hillary clinton and trump and now out to the solid 45% to the 37% and johnson at 8% and jill stein at 4%. and hillary clinton's sort of floor and donald trump's ceiling are separated by a bit. she is not falling much below about 45% or 46%.
>> during the convention i spoke to a pollster david winston who made the point that the way to look at polls is at ranges and it is always been true for a long time that hillary clinton's cerealing is higher than trumps and her floor tends to be higher thap tru-- than trumps. and his view, when all things equal, when things aren't going crazy, this is a five-point or a six-point race and this poll shows that. and this shows how much trump suffered from what he said about the khan family. everybody in america was offended, including republicans. often you defend the candidate in your own candidate when he is wrong. the barney fife line, you are with him and this is outrageous. >> and we showed the poll. only 12% approve of the way he
handled it. among the republicans it wasn't that much higher. >> it was 61% negative. >> it is negative, as you said, independents and democrats and everybody else. and the big number in clinton. clinton is up 58% for women and trump down for women and hillary clinton is up four points with white college-educated women which is a big deal. >> the gender gap is huge between men and women but she is closing the gap among men there as well. other big numbers in the poll were clinton is getting about 92% of democrats, meaning that the whole bernie sanders effect and all of the worries about will his supporters join her, they have joined her. where trump is getting about 82% of his republicans, and conventions are getting your base behind you and you thought he would be at 90% but he still
has the same problems, republicans weary of being for him. >> and to underscore that in 1980 we talked about reagan democrats and now we're talking about clinton republicans, but women in general and also among sort of intellectuals and policy types, it is amazing how many are going over to clinton. >> right. and kate, numbers that are bad for the republican candidate and this is on trump's personal traits. in the abc news and "the washington post" poll said 79% of the people say he doesn't show enough respect for people he disagrees with. and 70% express anxiety about a trump presidency and 67% think he lacked the personality and temperament and 63% think he doesn't understand world fairs. and 62% say he is not honest and
trustworthy and 61% say he is unqualified for president and 60% think he is biased against women and minorities. none of that is good. >> none of that is good. and the interesting part when i talk to republican pollsters is that the race isn't over. as e.j. just said, it is a six point to eight point race. and any normal world or competition, this would be a 20 or 25-point spread right now. it shows the weakness of hillary clinton to coalesce the democrats because trump has given her every chance in the world to put him away. afl self-inflicted wounds. he has good campaign staff he's just not listening to them i'm told. so the race isn't over. but the races are never over until after labor day and the september 26th debut. donald trump will have to overperform dramatically then. but i'm shocked and i talk to republican pollsters, we're shocked the numbers aren't
worse. >> isn't that because of trump really hanging on to officially white working class voters which do form 25% or 26% of the population and he is ahead with them and just that support is 30% and you have the republicans, partisan and i don't think it is great news that he is hanging on in the mid-30s. but i want to give another potential reason for him hanging on and that is the world view of republicans. the way his base sees the world is quite different from the way the rest of the country sees the world. let's play a little bit of a trump voter. this was a voter on friday from green bay, wisconsin and talking about their view of what will happen in november or what they hope happens. take a listen to this trump voter. it is actually trump, talking about voter i.d. sorry. >> otherwise our big movement as not as big as we thought. and that is not good. that is why november 8th you've got to get everybody you know
and you know all of this voter i.d., nowadays a lot of places aren't going to have voter i.d. what does that mean? you just keep walking in and voting? so you have to be careful and vigilant and becareful. >> that is definitely a trump voter because he will vote for himself. and now paul mannafort who is running his campaign. this is fox news friday. >> we think the situation in the country, just like with the democratic national committee primary if you rely on the justice department to ensure the security of the elections, we have to be worried. >> isn't it -- and partly because trump voters are ingesting a world view that is so dark and sort of caustic-esque and if trump doesn't win because the justice
department isn't protecting or there is rampant voter fraud but they don't see the world the way the rest of the country does. >> i think what i'm seeing is, what my 8-year-old nephew said that people are making a lot of excuses. already they are setting the bar for voter fraud and all of the things in the middle of the hot summer. i think what trump has to do is organize and try to catch up with what hillary clinton is doing. so maybe they are changing the message. that would be really smart to change the message away from the one he's had for the week and if it takes talking about voter i.d. to change the message, i'm all for that. but they need to re-set and reboot and change quickly because it used to -- and trump and the republican politics, the press was sort of our enemy. and trump was able to move his numbers by attacking the press -- and not working any more. and not when you have every
station in tandem with 72% of the public talking about the last couple of gaffes, so let's re-set it and talk about something different. if it is voter i.d., i'm all for it. >> is fear of voter i.d, me attempting to be perry bacon, is that what gets trump beyond his core base? >> no. it changes the conversation. >> e.j.? >> right. guess good for him and he is saying things are so bad, that anything is good. that is true. and i think there has been some fear among conservative republicans that there is in-person voter fraud which the evidence for is zero. and manafort, he was a consultant for putin in the ukraine. that is what you say in places like ukraine before an election. but i think it also reflects the
fact that trump himself, he ways brags about the polls and now he can't brag about the polls. mand abe even he is absorbing the fact that he might lose this election and he can't stand the idea that he would lose fair and square so he has got to invent this whole idea that it was -- >> and losing to a woman, no less. and a campaign maybe could survive a tempermental candidate that doesn't listen to its advisers but they don't have a resource to have a ground game in any state, including the swing states, but can a campaign survive those two things at the same time. >> i don't think so. when it gets down to it, the battleground states matter and they are closer and tied in some places but you have to imagine hillary clinton having more staff in ohio than trump does period. >> and not fighting with the governor of the state. >> and not fighting with the governor of the state. and you think ground game two to
three points, you have to assume hillary is ahead in every battleground state and maybe georgia too and that is a big deal, the national pollster is one thing and the state by state are even worse if you look at trump and that is where he has to go from here. and i think for him this week he said i'm not endorsing paul ryan and john mccain and then by friday said i am endorsing paul ryan and he knows he is in trouble and behaving more like a regular candidate. >> he needs paul ryan more than paul ryan needs him. >> right. he needs the republican base really badly right now. >> i'm struck that reince priebus -- that trump could say anything about muslim or women or mexican-americans, but when he didn't endorse paul ryan, that is what people care about. >> that is the limit for reince priebus. and final question to you, kayton, if you have six in ten saying he is unfit and seven in
ten are saying things more specific and he is biased against women and minority, that it gives them anxiety and his temperament is unsuitable for president, how do you change that perception and you have two weeks of olympic where the public has two more weeks to change their mind because they are not thinking about you or their politics. >> i think your two weeks is correct, about the ability to soak in. but it is also august and not september. so i'm not that concerned about how upside down the numbers are. i've seen trump's ability. i thought the opening speech would have ended his campaign in the first place. so to think that we have anything convention going on with the voters or with donald trump is probably a mistake. with that being said, the asset that i've seen in the last couple of weeks is every time president obama goes after trump, it helps trump. it helps him in his base and in
his numbers. so the best thing is for the president to move on out of the way and let hillary do the ta i talking and we'll see what happens. and that debate is what i will concentrate on and see what kind of prep he is doing and that is the place to change the numbers and that is the place to do it and i'm not sure his skills are up to secretary clinton but we certainly hope so. >> are you impressed? >> and if he just prepped. if reverend jesse jackson hasn't taken it, i would give you the moniker keep hope alive. so thank you very much, perry bacon jr. and they'll all be back later in the show because we love them. and there is so much more "am joy" after the break. so stay with us. was not a baby anymore. every subaru is built to earn your trust. because we know what you're trusting us with. subaru. kelley blue book's most trusted brand. and best overall brand.
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tomorrow trump will lay out his economic vision for america with a plan that includes one of the biggest tax cuts since ronald reagan. it comes days after he unveiled his new economic team which includes six guys named steve but no women. and joining me now is someone who helped him draft the speech he will be giving tomorrow, curtis ellis. thank you for being here. >> it is a joy. >> well let's -- that is very good. there is a few economic numbers i want to start out by showing you and just getting your response. the latest jobs numbers, 255,000 jobs were added last month for the bureau of labor statistics and you also have declined unemployment rate now at 4.9%. you also have this long-term job growth number and we'll show you this what we call the keety graph that shows that private
sector growth has grown considerably since the bush years and the gdp growth which is steady and going up. what do you make of the latest economic numbers? >> well you look at the numbers and you see we had 1.2% gdp growth and we havee neemic, and the weakest recovery from 1949 and the real unemployment rate when you find people that have given up looking for a job or have a part-time job is at 9.7% and when you add up the people giving up looking at work for a year, you are looking at 20 million people a 12% unemployment rate. and these are not good numbers. and as for the 250,000 job number we saw on friday. if you subtract the government jobs we are talking about 217,000 jobs. but what is important, joy, not all jobs are created equal and
most of the jobs are low-paying jobs that you can't support a family on. you can't buy a house. you can't pay back your student loan on the kind of jobs that these are. waitress, bartender, hotel jobs. don't get me wrong. there is nothing that i would call a bad job. these are good jobs. they are good starter jobs. they impart the necessary skills you need to be part of the work force to learn how to work and show up on time. you could supplement an in come on them. but you can't support a middle class on the kind of jobs that have been created and now this is a long-term trend. >> let me ask you a question. because we're going to take that in two parts. let's start with the last point on the quality of jobs. let's say in the restaurant sector, we'll see the quality of jobs, but do you support raising the minimum wage, which the democratic side supports raising it to $15 an hour so if you do
have a job as a waitress, you could come close to it on $15 an hour. do you support the minimum wage. >> i think the task is to create jobs that are far more than minimum wage -- >> hold on a second. let's get the answer to that question. you say they are good jobs but you can't support a family. do you support raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour so somebody who is working full time as a waitress or in the service industry could do that. do you support that? do you support it or not. yes or not? it it is a -- it is a simple yes or no question. do you support raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, yes or no. >> this should be left up to -- >> yes or no. you don't want to answer that question? >> that is not the issue here. >> but it is an important issue. because if you are saying the jobs are a decent jobs but you can't support a family, i'm asking you personally, as part of your party, to gage where you
are philosophically, do you believe it should be raised and should be $15 an hour. you could say no -- >> he'll go over his economic policy tomorrow in a speech. >> i'll take that as a no. and cnbc, they have been a skeptic, they would prefer the policies that you support, but the latest analysis is that the professions were jobs were added looked good and said services did dominate, 70,000 jobs. however not all service jobs are created equal. 37,000 jobs in july came from professional and technical jobs. 8200 for commuter systems. 6500 from engineering and 5600 were in management and technical consulting and health care hiring increased by 43,000 bringing it to 477,000 over the last 12 months and wall street continues to grow jobs adding 18,000 in the last month and 162,000 jobs in the last year. let's go in and look at the part-time people working for economic reasons part-time.
that employment group by 97,000 jobs last month. but even that has fallen over the long-term. it is declined from 6.3 million a year to 5.9 million a year and a 6.3% drop in part-time employment a -- and if you go to the diffusion rate, that is up, a solid 63.7%. this is from a skeptic of president obama -- jeff cox at cnbc and he said the jobs created were good and even in manufacturing it is a marked improvement over the last eight years how do you respond to that. >> we only added 9,000 manufacturing jobs last month and we lost jobs manufacturing computers. >> are you saying the only kind of job -- that is not true. i just read you the jobs from the information technology sector which continued to grow as did -- so going back again, to the technical jobs --
>> that is labor statics. >> 8200 for computers and design, those are -- >> pardon me, joy, that is not how the bureau of labor statistics classifying information of jobs. >> and the jobs taken from the list are wrong and the jobs were not created? >> joy, let me tell you what i say. >> okay. >> i say that those jobs, just peeking to the numbers that y - speaking about the numbers you put out there, those are jobs in the service industry. >> no, they are not. >> excuse me. let me finish, please. they are nonexportable. they don't do anything to reduce our trade deficit. most of the jobs are in the service sector, i'm sure you will agree. >> i don't agree. the data doesn't agree. >> and the architectural engineering, those are service sector jobs. >> that is not what i just read to you. you are saying every single job. >> i'm not saying every single job. i'm looking at the bls
statistics right here. 50,000 in the professional services and many of the jobs you laid out are in that area. now -- >> no. these are part -- these are actually parsed out what they are. i just read what they are. you just can't invent they were in the service sector when i'm telling you they are in architecture and design. that is not a service job. >> yes, it is. and it could be done by people on h 1 bv and a direct result of policies pursued under the clinton administration. >> are you saying that all of the jobs created in computer systems are on h 1-bv. >> i didn't say that. >> but what does it have to do with what i just told you. >> pew research and they do research that shows that information area jobs are more likely to be filled by migrants, people on h-1-b visas than
other. >> very quickly. >> and the jobs are more likely to be filled by non-native born americans. >> that is not what they are measured. they are not measured here on visas. this is measuring job creation, do you support the legislation put forward by orrin hatch and marco rubo and why do you think they want to expand the program. >> there are many people that want to increase the immigration levels into this country. and donald trump's platform is for american-ism, put americans first and make sure americans have jobs before we bring in other people from oth parts of the world to fill the jobs. >> and my last question. two quick questions. why do you suppose in the latest polling people support hillary clinton on taxes and trade. 54% trust hillary clinton more on trade and why do you suppose
that is. >> i would have to see how the question was worded. >> who do you trust more to handle international trade agreements was the wording. >> trump. i trust trump more. >> why do you think only 40% said clinton. >> you would have to ask them. >> okay. all right. that is fair enough. curtis ellis, thank you. and coming up, how the trump dip in the polls is affecting republican candidates all over the country. stay with us. that's why there's biotene, available as an oral rinse, toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. remember, while your medication is doing you good, a dry mouth isn't. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. ... 83% try to eat healthy. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's gummies. complete with key nutrients we may need... ...plus it supports bone health
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the first batch of polling since the start of the general election is a tale of two candidates on two very different paths. the hillary clinton bounce and the trump slump. a washington post abc poll has clinton increasing her lead over trump to eight points. the latest nbc news and "wall street journal" has her ahead by a nine point margin and in fox that expands to 10%. in another poll clinton is head of trump by a whopping 15 point
margin and she is ridingigh on a post convention bounce with approval above 50%. so given the popularity of the president and the campaign to build on a promise to build on his legacy. 73% of americans said they believe the country is on the wrong track. so here to help us make sense is someone who helped conduct that poll, bill macinturf and fred yang. thank you for being here. and this disconnect between people saying i like the president, people giving hillary clinton higher numbers than the person who wants to do what president obama has done, and then also saying that the country is on the wrong track. bill macinturf, what does that mean? >> it means that almost a majority of americans still think we have a recession. 60% say they are still -- >> they think we are in a recession? >> yeah.
60% say they are affected by the recession and between orlando and san bernardino, around the world it is happening and who feels good. and i think what it means is that it is -- on a separate question than the nbc and "wall street journal" a majority feel optimistic and hopeful about this country and that paralleled between -- sure we're unhappy but still optimistic is an important read about the american electric. >> and let's take a look at a couple of different data points that bill is getting to. the overall unemployment rate is 4.9%. but if you look at it by race, so you have an overall decline in black and latino and white and black unemployment is still the high rate but it is going down. and when i worked at the grio, we would look at this in terms of data, and this is in part because of the election of barack obama, but could it be when people are saying the country is on the right track, people who see the country as
having evolved in it a positive direction discount whatever they think about the economy? >> i think that is a great question. i think we're coming to the conclusion that for a long time the right direction was an active measurement of the zelt geist. one of my favorite dumb pollster facts is there has not been a day when barack obama is in the office when the right direction has been above the wrong track. and so there is good economic news. we could debate on how expansive it is or who it is reaching but the economy is better than when he took office but we still have a high wrong direction. so it is measuring other things and some of the things bill said, the growing dissatisfaction with the system. and i think the one thing -- let's remember, at the end of 1999 and 2000, bill clinton had high approval numbers and they elected a republican. change is always an important
dynamic no matter who is an office and how popular that person is. >> and isn't it possible that when some people say the country is on the wrong track, they may actually mean they blame republicans for that wrong track and you may have some people saying we're on the wrong track because of police shootings or racial imbalances and hostilities, we're on the wrong track for other reasons, gridlock in the house of representatives, people may be thinking wrong track other than the economy. >> well, actually that i think we know is that the answer is the party in power is hurt by the party on track. african-american is higher than whites appreciably and it bounced up after this convention so i don't think it is the black and latino saying they are dissatisfied with this. but the other thing that is true about this campaign is we have another question saying, do you want to vote for change or keep the democrats? 48 change and 50 keep the democrats and that is two points and the reason this election
could still likely close is that structurally between wrong track and that sentiment for change, this ought to be a closer election than we are seeing in the polls. >> that is an interesting point, too. in a way this is a re-elect. it is not a literal re-elect but it is built like a re-elect. is that a harder race to run for a democrat? >> i don't think they will feel sorry for us but it is challenging. we have a president who has gotten more popular since the november 2014 election which wasn't a great election for democrats and he's in much better shape now than eight years ago. >> does that matter for the person looking to secede hi >> absolutely. and one of the reasons that barack obama beat john mccain was because of president bush's unpopularity. so obama's advantage is important for clinton but we are
taking about the changing dynamic and it is a challenging path to build on barack obama and also this thirst for change that we are talking about. >> and it is among the nonpollster gears that you could look at what party would win and when you look at 4.9% unemployment rate, that looks like a strong re-elect number and could you look at economic measures regardless of how people feel the economy is going but when you look at employment rising and unemployment going down and gdp up and could you still look at that and decide which way the election is going. >> in past models, the most powerful is the presidential approval and the economy and the economy is based on the rise in perm disposal income and that is a rocky measure. so again, guess what, with the president at 50% and the economy, look at the economic models that say this is a too
close to call campaign and so the problem for secretary clinton is that structurally she's in a coin flip election that because of the dynamics of the two candidates, she's doing better today. but as a structuralist, the race still ought to close because of the economic and job approval numbers, this should not be an eight to ten point race. it is just where we are. >> the race ought to close but i still think sitting here today she should still win this election because of other factors that we haven't touched on -- >> like trump. >> like the demographic, who will vote and who is not voting. >> what is the nonwhite share. what is the projection? >> i still think it is 30%. in our polls it has been 27 to 29, we haven't gotten to 30. but the non-whites up two points per campaign and that ought to continue. and if it is not 30, it is 28.
it is like last time. a huge demographic shift in this country that is one of the most single changes in the last 20 years. >> and to bring it full circle, nonwhite voters think the country is on a better track than other voters and that could be dispositive. >> and the thing about the white electorate and bill pointed this out in the last couple of polls, hillary clinton is beating trump with white educated voters which hasn't happened in a long time. >> 50 years. >> and i think, look, that may close. but even if it closed, she would still do better against trump than obama did against romney four years ago. >> fascinating stuff. i love talking polling geeking. i hope you will come back and do this again. thank you. coming up, republicans continue to support trump despite his many foibles and i have to ask, have you no shame. and two years after the police shooting of michael brown, i'll be joined by the ferguson police
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with putin is fuelling speculation that the tax returns could reveal deals with russian olig arcs. he has denied the financial ties to moscow and the taxes wouldn't be released because he is under audit. and offered an additional reason for keeping it under wrap. >> look at mitt romney. he waited until september. it is so bad. i don't think he lost because of the 47%, i think he lost because of minor items in a tax return where he did nothing wrong. so it is fun fair. b -- but it is unfair. but when i'm finished with the audit, i'll do it. >> and we scrammexamine trump's and thank you for being here and
congratulations on the book, david cay johnston. and here is one additional reason he is giving for not releasing his taxes unless forced to. this is donald trump back on july 27th, talking about his taxes. take a listen. >> and as far as the tax returns, as soon as the audit is complete, like any lawyer would tell you, [ inaudible ] was going over it a while ago. and she is a lawyer and she said no lawyer would let somebody release a tax return when they are audit. it is a routine audit. i've gone through audits, which i think is unfair, for 15 years. i have friends that are very rich and never get audited. i'm audited every year. maybe that is because of politics, who knows. >> richard hixon released his tax returns and did so while in the middle of an audit. so what do you make of trump's excuses for not releasing his taxes. >> it is his excuse. let's take his word, that he
found a lawyer that will say that. he is not in audit up to 2011 taxes. let's see 1980 to 2011 taxes and they are not under audit. >> and the clintons released 30 years. he could go back into the 80s and show us. what do you guess and your educated guess because trump thinks there is something in those returns that is more damaging, his tale on romney sort of exposes the fact that he thinks there is something in there more damaging. >> there are two fundamental things. that congress has special rules for real estate professionals and if you own enough buildings you get to live tax-free. that is one. so we'll find out whether donald has property that is depreciatab depreciatable, buildings and it may show he's paid no income taxes for the last 30 years and secondly we have good evidence
that he cheated on his taxes in 1984. his city and new york state tax returns were audited because he reported a consulting business with no income but over $600,000 of deductions and in the trial held in one of the two cases, his long-term tax guy was shown the tax return and he said, um, that is my signature, but i didn't prepare that tax return. >> hum. >> that is pretty good evidence of cheating. >> and what about the second potential track which is that we've now had revealed to us the extent to which donald trump has an affinity for putin and loved that putin compliments him and he's been compromised and a dupe of vladimir putin and his son has said they see a lot of money coming in from russia and they have substantial business interests there. could there be anything in the tax returns that show us the extend of his tax returns in
moscow? >> yes. donald signed off a deal, he is not a defendant, but the people who did the deal are accused in a lawsuit in new york state of a quarter billion dollars tax fraud involving the trump soho hotel and money runs through iceland and through russia and there are questioning about money laundering that haven't been addressed. secondly donald traveled all over. i have video tapes and photographs of him all over the country doing deals with the son of the russian mob boss in new york and involved in the trump soho deal and donald said, i wouldn't recognize the guy if he was in the room. we really need to understand his relationship to donald and the financing that he brought to the table for projects with donald's name. >> and you've talked and written a lot about trump's ties to the sort of russian mafia figures. what is the regularationship between that and -- the
relationship and building the trump tower on in new york. >> throughout his career, donald has had associations, many gratuitous with mobsters and con-artists, builders had to deal with the mob in new york but while some families were going to the federal bureau of investigation saying free us from the mafia, trump was embraced them. it is a -- trump to you ser a concrete building. there was a concrete strike. and the only place that went struck was because of trump's control of the mafia and the union and there is public record and he doesn't want you tknow and he thinks he has to do this and that is not true. >> and there was the $95 million sale of a property he bought in a tax deed auction in palm beach that he sold to the strange figure in the russian world who never lived in the house.
i think the house is set to be demolished and then the trump taj mahal which recently closed doors which trump sold to carl icahn, his friend and business mogul and kept his name on it. could you talk about those weird deals and would these be revealed in the taxes? >> they should be. if we get the complete tax return. a 1040 is not a tax return. you have to have the supporting documents. which hillary clinton has released. the deal in florida has the appearance of being a payoff or a kick-back for laundering money but we don't know without more documentation and it should bring suspicion and trump should say here is the record. and his name will now disappear from atlantic city because he was a terrible operator of casinos. the weakest properties will fold first and trump was among the
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you no shame. speaker ryan is not revoking his endorsement but he does seem to be getting tired of answering that particular question. >> would there ever be a bridge too far where you have - >> i've always said there are moments that -- and i'm not going to get into the speculation or the hypotheticals. none of these are ever blank checks. that is goes with any situation in any kind of race, but right now, i just think it is important that the voters, he won the delegates and he he won it fair and square and it is just that simple. >> translation. there is no bridge. no bridge. john mccain has strongly condemned the attack on a gold star family. he said, while our party has bestowed upon him the nomination, it is not accompanied by unfettered dehafor. >> and joining us. and kate, i'm coming right to
you on thus, so far four republicans in the business of running for re-election, well one came out and said they will not support the republican nominee. they are charlie dent, adam kin zinger and richard hannah and mark kirk who is the most endangered in illinois. and if they are appalled by what trump said, why won't any of them besides these four walk away. >> i think the advice we give as consultants is go run your race at home because they are -- there are not a lot of votes for you in washington compared to back in your state. they understand what it is and they want to be re-elected. if a politician doesn't take care of himself and waiting for a nominee to take care of him, he is going to go home a loser. i think they understand that. i get what speak ryan is saying. one of the things we found in
our polling is people are fed up and mad at washington. that is what gave trump the end to be our nominee. so if they are looking for coat tails, they are grasping for straws. >> then why do you support paul ryan is doing better than trump. he is doing so much better than trump is in that state? >> well paul ryan, i think it was said better by someone in wisconsin. it is more paul ryan than trump and he understands his state. he's the speaker of the house. he has 100% name i.d. and people in wisconsin like him so paul ryan is doing right. he is going to good win his race and be the speaker of the hour and respect the majority. and we're seeing the national ticket and congress in the senate and we'll see how that works out. >> and you are a democratic strategist and i want to show you two gop house members and how they are dealing with two
states that are problematic for trump in november. and let's start with kinzinger on wednesday explaining why on cnn. >> trump for me is beginning to cross a lot of red lines of the unforgivable in politics. i won't support hillary but in america we could vote for mark kirk in illinois and that is what it is looking like for me today. i don't see how i get to trump any more. >> write somebody in or skip the vote in and write for mark kirk. and this is another state that democrats pulled the money out of colorado it is so far in the clear for democrats. this is mike coffman, a republican up for re-election. his campaign said he is still considering voting for trump but listen to what he said. >> people ask me, what do you think about trump? honestly, i don't care for him much and i certainly don't trust hillary. i'm a marine. for me, country comes first. my duty is always to you.
so if donald trump is president, i'll stand up to him, plain and simple. and if hillary wins, i'll hold her accountable every step of the way. >> so if you take off your democratic strategist hat, the clean break of kin zinger or the soft break in the ad from kaufman. >> i think folks are realizing, when you look at the national polls and the key state polls that trump is a losing strategy. and you would have thought after the attack that -- the trump attack on khan family that the establishment would have said, you know what, this is the tipping point, i'm done and that john mccain and paul ryan and mitch mcconnell would have stood against trump and said i'm unendorsing you. and so what is happening now is you are seeing that. you see that in all of the polls. in the battleground polls, in the national polls. these state senate races, they are outperforming trump and what could happen and we saw this in
2012, is that the longer down the stretch, those top senators that were republican who had major leads started to fall back. as they went into the fall, this is an indicator of what happened. >> because as a democratic treatist, putting that -- strategist, to put that hat back on, and kelly ayotte is not here or there or haven't said she would break from him but hillary clinton is blowing trump out in new hampshire. 47 to 32. and even if johnson and stein were included. and so if it is not pure self-interest that drives republicans away and you wrote a column on this this week. self-interest versus do i want to live with trump, where have you seen republicans falling on those scales? >> i think it is a particular problem for paul ryan because he wants to present himself and i think he believes he is a moral center for the republican party. and so he feels obligated
condemn these things but he won't pull his support and if you listen carefully, he says trust agrees with us on most things and he'll sign our tax cuts and that is enough for me but i think it is a catch-22 for republican politics out there, glenn bulger and martin in the new york times this morning, if you dump trump, you risk alienating his base which is a big part of the republican party. if you don't dump trump, you risk independents and women and african-american and latino voters you might pick up. and so all of these folks are having a hard time being really principled because they are walking on this high wire. but it is a particular problem for ryan. and i think if trump loses, ryan is going to have to come back and explain really how he could keep sticking with trump. remember the daily news headline when ryan said this was -- this
was months ago about the curio matter and he said this verges on racism but i endorse him but i'm with racist and he doesn't want those headlines. >> and we all think that paul ryan will run for president from 2020 and that is the presumption a lot make and how does he unstick himself from trump endorsing and saying he is committed tex book racism, wouldn't he have trump on his back as he attempts to run for president in 2020. >> let me tell you, if you know politicians, once there is a loss, they'll head for the hills just as quick as they came to it. and so will the voters. and one of the things we're missing here in all of the national politics, one thing the obama administration gave republicans is over a thousand house and senate seats all over the country and gave us new congressmen and senators and that is the gift we had had of
the presidency is republicans. now what you are finding is people back home one more time are going to go run against washington and run against what they think is the angst of the washington so at the end of the day, endorsements matter some and the endorsement of paul ryan and john mccain and the others, if it is a win or a loss, if they win, they will embrace it and if he loses, they won't even check into his hotel. >> but here is the problem that they are also facing. is that look, trump said the day after his doomsday speech that he is going to start a superpac and put money behind his rivals and they are worried that that is a problem if he loses. >> and the republicans won those seats in midterms. they have to worry about presidential year turn-out. 40 million people or 45 million people who tend to be younger and more democratic and more minority, that is the risk this year. >> and they could only win with
the electorate very white and that is a problem. i have to get to the new trump attack. he's gone after every group you could think of and now add somalis. this is a rally in maine on thursday and i want to play this and play the response from the sitting senator suzanne collins. take a listen. >> so we've just seen many, many crimes getting worse all of the time. and as maine knows, a major destination for somali refugees -- right? am i right? >> ay. so then suzanne collins, who is one of the senators from maine that democrats count on somebody to work with when she is doing her job in boston, she said statements disparaging migrants who have come to this country legally are particularly unhelpful. maine has benefited from people from europe and middle east and asia and increasingly africa,
including our friends from somalia. and you have been a champion of trying to broaden the republican party in terms of inviting people of various ethnic groups to be a part of it. and you are great on that. and this kind of thing where collins doesn't feel comfortable in maine saying this is the bridge too far, he is attacking the migrants and she is still hedging on her support and don't you think they will regret not condemning trump on all of these things saying you want into the republican party. >> certainly outreach and electing people like tim scott and nikki haley has helped the republican party grow. again, just because you have a nominee doesn't mean that you universally overwhelmingly accept them or their platforms. and it will become wins or losses again. so it -- it is not helpful to the cause and we'll see what the
new voters that trump brings to the ticket. i go back to what one panelist said, is anybody worried about him if he loses having a super-pac and putting his own money in and affecting our races. we're not concerned about that, i promise you. >> putting his own money in, that won't happen. and it is hard to find george wallace voters. maybe people will pretend they have amnesia and not sport him at all. >> and the americans who rise in the polls, they are angry at trump. >> my guests will be back. and coming up, the new ferguson, missouri, police chief joins me almost two years after the shooting death of michael brown. that is up next. in food particles. just a few dabs of super poligrip free is clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out.
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anniversary. and what are the precipitatipary the department and what are your expectations of how things will go. >> there are a number of things, with regard to working with other law enforcement agencies to make sure we have ample man power. but the actual anniversary events started yesterday. and we've had very little in terms of unrest. what we've had a lot of is peaceful demonstrations, a number of marchs and celebrations really of his life. and so people have been acting pretty well and they've been getting along well with police. >> and one of the damning things that came out of the federal consent decree and the report on ferguson while the officer who killed -- the then-officer who killed michael brown was not actually brought up on federal charges, the indictment of the department and the municipal
court system was damning and you got there after that but what are some of the changes in terms of the over-policing of the black community and the using of black citizens as a piggy bank for the city and arrest on small and minor offenses and racking up fines, have concrete changes in those areas been made. >> there are a number of things that have happened. a lot of the ordinances that existed prior to have been changed. there has been wide-ranging court reform with regard to how fines are levied and collection is done. and there is a number of changes in the sheer types of arrests that are made. and one of the other things that has happened is the police department is started to move to diversify itself a great deal. and we've moved more toward community policing so that we're actually engaging citizens and getting their view on the priorities that they set for us. >> and -- >> and those things are positive. >> and diverse is important
because you can't have a police department that is alien to the community it serves and how do you train an officer who doesn't live in the community and who doesn't necessarily have interactions with people of color on a daily basis, how do you train a police officers not to be afraid of black people or of people of color such that they are quick to use force even in minor situations? >> well one of the things you do is you start to get the police officers out of their cars and it is no longer drive-by policing and it is one-on-one interactions when you get to know people and understand them, you have a better relationship with them and you could relate to them better. but leadership is very key to this. i mean, if you look at places like miami where we had a tale of two police chiefs, one police chief was able to effect a policy that caused no police shootings to happen in the 24-month period and then another 12-month period and then another police chief in that same policy, nine fatal shootings and leadership is key to this as well. and so when you lead, the police
officers will follow. >> and one of the other things that we've seen that is a commonality that somebody in my social feed pointed out to me, whether you look at the shootings, the michael brown case or the recent case in chicago, on and on, the philando castile case, you see officers with not a lot of time on the force, five years or less on the force jumng to pull their weapons and use their g as the first thing they do rather than the last thing they do. is there something to be said for theoid why -- the idea of not putting rookies on the field to do those stops and people need more time before they could police the community and at this time sometimes it is traffic stops that go wrong in a lot of cases are we putting officers who don't have enough time in the field out there with this deadly power. >> one of the things that is very difficult for police chiefs around the nation is you don't have the outpouring of people applying for the job any more. and so you have -- you really
are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to how much seasoning the police officers have that you put on. in ferguson, we're 14 police officers down so i'm going to move to bring that up but part of that is the deescalation training and there are a number of things happening, we're talking about shootings that are lawful and awful because they are lawful in how they are rebuked by the law but certainly they didn't have to happen. so there are a number of things that have to happen with regard to training. but you could have a police officer thatsy seasoned veteran and a rookie and sometimes you get the opposite result. so it is really about picking the right candidates and moving through this pool that is very limited. >> and this is something that both municipal leaders and police chief deal with, are the police unions standing in the way of reform because they are so instantly recalcitrant on the
side of police no matter what the shooting looks like, do they stand in the way of improving the departments. >> police chiefs around the nation have to deal with unions. in ferguson, we are not a police department with a union bargaining for it so it makes it a little easier for me with regard to being able to move people. but the difference is here in this county, you have a number of municipalities and the competition is fierce in terms of getting the right amount of police officers on the department. there are 60-some odd police departments and 90-some odd municipalities and that does make it difficult because you are looking at a limited pool of people to hire from. >> and lastly, how do you change the culture of essentially peer pressure, where the officers are quick to cover for each other and quick to say things like, i'll be on desk duty or supporting each other or in some cases it doesn't seem they are open about the body cameras,
whether they turn it off. that people are covering for one another rather than doing the right thing. how do you get police officers to do the right thing if they see another officer doing something wrong or abusive. >> i think it is critical for the police chiefs to hold their leadership accountable and the chain of commend a-- command ane supervisors supervise the police officers out there is critical. if leadership is lacking, that will move down the system. and so the police chief has to set the tone and make sure that his supervisors are being held accountable for the actions of their police officers. >> well, chief delrish moss, who is now running the ferguson police department will be looking to what happens on tuesday. thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. and coming up, the kansas revolt. that is next. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific
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end massive incarceration and student debt, across the globe we are part of a movement that is rising up like we have not seen for generations. >> welcome back to "am joy." amid the clinton and versus trump talk we don't want to forget it is a four-person race. the green party nominated jill stein at the convention in tuesday and gary johnson is at the part of the libertarian ticket. and joining me matt turner and on skype an environmental activist and jill stein skeptic who blogs under the name bo gardener. and i want to come to you, first, bo, jill stein is running on a platform for guaranteed jobs for every who want work and reducing green and abolishing student debt. and on cnn she elaborated on
what she wants to do. take a listen. >> the idea now is to create 20 million jobs to meet the emergency of the economy to meet the emergency of climate change. so that in one fell swoop we create jobs that focus on green energy, on a healthy and sustainable food system and on public transportation. the goal is to revive the economy and turn the tide on climate change and to make wars for oil obsolete. >> that all sounds great. bo gardner, do you think she could do any of that? >> well, i don't think she can because i don't think she can become president. i think she can do is help elect donald trump who would be -- who would do terrible damage to all of those things. she also is very confusing to me because when she talks about
being for public health and being for the environment, her platform and her rhetoric are contradictory to those goals. i have campaigned as an environmentalist for green at the local level, but i'm shocked now to hear that the green platform that calls for an end to environmental practices that are reducing pollution and protecting bio diversity, as we call on the ban for the geo -- as the platform, if we had done that, we won't have a amazon rain forest today and have tigers in indyia or orangutans in indonesia. we have people starving around the world. it would cost millions of lives in starvation and the -- the plyness of thousands of children
and putting much more land into agriculture -- >> right. >> because of the -- >> let me ask you, because i know that is an important issue for you in the anti-gmo issue but i want to bring you into this -- those glasses are fabulous, you are not looking to run on the vp party ticket. just clear that up real quickly. >> i am not. the republican is strong as one of my friends called me up and when he saw the news, i am a democrat and a dedicated within the democratic party to continue push the things when bernie sanders was the candidate and the leader of this progressive movement but i am a democrat because of our party, because of our ideas and our values, not just the structure of a party but the continue to push us. and if our platform is any indication of where we can go, where we should go, we are getting off to a strong start. but somebody has to continue and lots of somebodies, not just me,
have to continue to push to make sure that that platform becomes actionable. >> and politico this week, nina, wrote there is a great temptation involved in the jill stein campaign and shows it is progressive and polls for clinton but if the numbers are more than just a post convention bounce by november, soft clinton supporters on the left may feel liberated to vote for stein, if you are in new york or california where hillary clinton may win, they may feel they could st a vote for jill stein. but on the substance she is promising to do and the weirder things being an anti-vaccine or giving space to the anti-vac movement, is that a wise vote? >> it is a contest of ideals and as somebody with a college professor i would not dare tell people what they should and should not do. we have to convince voters. so we, whether we are democrats
or republicans, the two major parties, the green or the libertarian party and throughout history there have been other third parties. what -- teddy roosevelt comes to mind when they splitered off and became the progressive party. and so we have had the contest of ideas and it is about convincing folks, both by your words and back that up with your deeds, of what type of leader you will be. and that is whether you are running for dog catcher or president of the united states. be we need to look at what is happening in this country right now and really make some very strong and critical decisions about what type of nation we want to be. and lots of the third party candidates, joy, i would argue, or even independents for that matter, they make the conversation more robust and that is never a bad thing. >> and sort of a similar question to you on that, matt, because you do have a lot of republicans that we've talked about in earlier segments that are hemming and huhhing about
trump and agonizing that they are appalled by the things that we said but we'll still support mr. trump and they get back in line rather than taking out, which is on the republican side, the libertarian ticket. you have two former republican governors who were solid republican governors, do you think there will be a temptation who can't stomach a vote for trump to go to gary johnson. >> oh, sure. right now we're seeing an unprecedented amount of polling support for gary johnson. he is averaging around 4% and stein has around 10% which is better than the nader campaign in 2000 and that speaks how popular they are and how much people don't trust them. but there is a weird -- it is not comparable. gary johnson is pulling support evenly almost between democrats and republicans and those otherwise who would not vote. and stein is close. there is not a lot of difference between her and obese program
that is why she's hitting that everywhere she talks. they do not represent trump or the republican party any more. so it is interesting. it is part of why they get more support than stein does and they are also getting sanders support, it is shocking on some level but i saw this through reporting at the dnc and also in the polls, among people who describe themselves as passionate about bernie sanders, that is being split, about 10% each to jill stein and gary johnson out there. so yes, i think there is more support. this is a weird election year. even though they lost a lawsuit on friday trying to wiggle into the debates, there should be public pressure on party-run commission to get them in there because the two leading candidates are not very satisfying. >> well, i think you are seeing considerably more satisfaction, i have to say, on the democratic side, and hillary clinton is now polling 90% of democrats and i don't think they are equal. i'm not on the equal and both
sides -- >> it is not exactly equal. >> but i want to support one of the things you did say. look at this interesting split. when it is just clinton and trump you have 47% for clinton and 38% for trump and she has a new nine-point lead in the poll and when you go to the four-way race, hillary clinton loses 4 points and going down to 34 and donald trump goes down to 34. so you do see that these third party candidates are sort of taking evenly to your point, matt, away from the two major party candidates. gary johnson doing well at 10% but not high enough to get into the debates. you have to be at 15. but look at the issue of name recognition and americans not knowing who these people are. jill stein has 68% name i.d. and gary johnson only has 63% and these are two candidates not really known. i'm go to you on this, nina, that people not knowing much about the third party candidates are sort of using them as an expression of wishing they had more choices and not really
being in favor of either of the two candidates in a real way. >> i agree, joy. unfortunately, in this presidential environment, you hear it. i traveled all over the country and that was a lot of angst people have, even to this day in terms of choices. and we are a nation. even though the debate is very robust at times, which it should be, of course. and so each candidate, my party has to really get out there and fight hard to earn the vote. but that should be every election cycle. that no elected official should take their base for granted, even people they want to try to get in. there was a new york times, they did a great article that said 9% of the adults who actually voted in the primary pick either mr. trump or clinton so both camps have a lot of work to do and my guy, the democratic party is mostly in line with what the american people want to see and we'll have to get out there and fight for it. >> and remember ralph nader. i'll put that out there. if you are voting.
sometimes third parties could have no name i.d. or votes and turn an election. thank you all for being here. appreciate it. and tune back in to msnbc for an interview with jill stein. but up next, we pick up coverage of day two of the rio olympic games in just 20 minutes. and after the break, we fill you in on what is coming up. stay right here. ke broncos or c. (cashier) cool. (peyton) ah...18. the old number. ooh. i have got a coupon for that one. (vo) get nfl sunday ticket - only on directv. and watch live games anywhere. 80% try to eat healthy, yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day men's gummies. complete with key nutrients plus b vitamins to help convert food into fuel. one a day.
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men's individual. and nassiales thinks he could win two gold medals in rio but he has to face japan who is the reigning world champion and he said back in 2012 he was born to win gold and we'll see. and we'll have some beach volleyball and italy against mexico from the copacabana beach and tonight, joy, in prime time on nbc, women's team gymnastics gets underway. same o simone biles, the most dominant in the world and the team i being called like the dream team, they are a heavy favorite for a gold medal. a busy night of action from rio. and have you really seen simone biles, because she is out of this world. >> she is amazing. i'm looking forward to that. that is my favorite of the olympic competitions so i can't wait to see her. but my sister fenced and i got
into that sport but i've been wearing black today mourning venus williams. >> we are sorry to see her go out but she is still in the doubles with her sister. >> rob thank you so much. and we'll watch that simone biles fire on msnbc. appreciate it. breaking news, the new york yankees announced this morning that slugger alex rodriguez -- a-rod, will play the final game this friday and after seasons he will become an advise to the team and a-rod said we all want to keep playing forever but it doesn't work that way. the designated hitter ends his career as a member of the 3000 hit club but his legacy was tarnished when he admitted to using steroided from 2001 to 2003. the end of an era for sure. the beleaguered yankee fans go into mourning.
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so this week, what is the big headline. >>s i think trs the trump pivot. you have to pivot back to the names of crooked hillary, hound dog bill and i never thought i would be able to say that that is getting back on message, but certainly he's going to have to do that. >> katon, i love you. i don't care who knows it. you think he needs to calling people crazy names. that is insane. that will happen. >> we love that. okay. e.j., top that? >> well, i can't. i think we'll focus on paul ryan this week. his primary is on tuesday.
against paul kneeland, a trump supporter who trump kind of said nice things about until he endorsed trump. and they have a great piece in the milwaukee sentinel, it looks like he will win but we'll talk about his margin and re-raise all over again what is his relationship with trump. >> and here is the question i have for you on that, e.j., if paul ryan wins in a blow-out against the die-hard trump supporters and booted out of trump, with him volunteering on that campaign and rejecting in that fashion, would you say the pressure on ryan, having proved that he doesn't need trump and not a victim of trump, wouldn't that increase the pressure on him to say that i could completely walk away from him. >> i agree with that but i think ryan is looking at his own caucus that still includes a lot of people who want to stick with donald trump and so i don't -- i still don't think he's going to
do it. you by again, it will become a bigger story again. ryan is not ouz of the news because of that -- out of the news because of that primary. >> and paul ryan will include a history of his refusal to walking away from this money havi -- from this man calling him racist. >> and is wisconsin a state where trump needed to compete is probably now out of reach. >> i think it is out of reach already. >> what do you think the headline will be? >> can i say that my toddler has more self-control that trump and now i have to go home and apologize to comparing her to a demagogue. because if the high bar is as long as he sticks to the teleprompter, we're okay, that is a sign that this is not a good week for him. right? last week, if it is any indicator, he trickled down on the khan family and he kicked out a baby and talked about the purple heart and how easy it was for him to be given to him and it goes on and on.
he doesn't have the self-control and doesn't know how to stay on message and focus on the things that he needs to. >> and as i bring it back to you, kate, you brought up, kind of playing into what careen just said, are the things that trump knows how to do, are the things he likes to do and make him feel good and making up nicknames is something he wants to do because he like to go back to that because it is his thing. reading the paul ryan skipt off the teleprompter and the larry cudler and bring back in the 1920s and bring back the tax cuts for the wealthy and the blue spate special that trump voters rejected in the primary he has basically brought that all into his campaign. isn't he more likely to go back to the name-calling, as you've advised him to do, than to stick to the script of the masters of the universe taking back the country. >> every now and then you have to change the conversation. what was successful for donald trump is focusing the light on
hillary clinton and what comes with the clintons. it is not gill or johnson, and he needs to put the light squarely back on them and start over again. and it worked in the past. and i think that is what you'll see next week. his policies of tax cuts and all of that, people kind of understand some of that. but right now it is become a contest of personalities and he's losing. >> and the only disagreement is the tax cusses aren't a blue plate special, this is a fine china special when you look at who they go to. >> it is a i know you are, but what am i. you say you're unfit, then you are unfit. the narcissist in him, my attack is what you said about me. he can't come up with a creative attack on hillary clinton that is on the sstance of things that might make her weak. >> it is not just the message. what is your battleground
strategy, he doesn't have anybody in the states. what is that? how are you going to bring in big -- really big -- what is your -- how are you going to get the african-american vote? how are you going to get the latino vote when you are dehumanizing groups of people. there is so much work he needs to do, i don't know how he does it in 94 or 95 days. >> and e.j., and because he is so subject and ridicule gets to him and don't you think there is a possibility, two weeks out in front of the cycle, olympics will make him insane he is not the center of conversation and when he comes back, the late night shows come back and he's being ridiculed on who he is as a person don't you think he will be unable to resist the temptation of swinging wildly. >> the whole history suggests that. but can he go one week without going crazy and that would be something the clinton people would be afraid of. so my other prediction is -- i think you'll hear from elizabeth
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