tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC August 9, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm PDT
hillary clinton, that's the kind of election year we're watching, ladies and gentlemen. you don't see these every four years. that's going to do it for us tonight. now time for the last word with lawrence o'donnel. >> thank you, steve, very much, we might have paul ryan any minute. we have breaking news tonight, another big loss for donald trump. we're waiting to hear from paul ryan at any moment after he just won his re-election primary after he flirted with his opponent before reluctantly, i don't know, looked sort of painful when he endorsed paul ryan. paul ryan takes questions, he'll be asked about donald trump's comments today. and trump campaign spokesman will join us in one of those rare appearances by a trump campaign spokesman. he will defend donald trump's comments today about his second amendment supporters finding a way to end hillary clinton's presidency after she is elected.
according to polls out last week, if the election were last week, hillary clinton would have won and new polls out this week, right now tonight indicate that a lot more land would slide on to donald trump. >> hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the second amendment. if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. but i'll tell you what. >> if someone had said that outside the hall, he would be in the back of a police wagon now with the secret service questioning him. >> donald trump is clearly saying, was that people who cherish that right should be involved in the political process and let their voice be heard. >> they should understand that's not how most people interpreted it. >> it is an example of donald
trump's looseness with language. >> i think it's time maybe for a little tougher tone, folks. >> this is insanity. it's a sickness. it's an evil. >> i have no idea what he's up to and i eve stopped trying to figure it out. >> no one owns donald trump. >> we have a person that shouldn't be able to run. >> this is the "last word" on campaign 2016. secret service agents take the same oath of office that thousands of federal employees do, to support and defend the constitution of united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. there's not a word in there about taking a bullet, but secret service agents are the only people who, in effect, under that very same oath that other federal employees take solemnly pledge to take a bullet for someone else. at any given moment, they might have to take a bullet for
someone they like and respect or someone they don't like, someone they voted for or someone they voted against, the president, the president's family, the vice president, vice president's family, the presidential candidates and their families, former presidents. just about every minute of the day there's a secret service agent somewhere protecting someone in public for whom that agent is ready to take a bullet. there is no job with a greater burden than that. through it all, through every minute of that vitally important position, the secret service holds in the middle of our politics, the secret service never, never comments on politics, until today. for the first time in the history of the secret service, the secret service felt compelled to officially comment on something one of the presidential candidate's said. here is what got the secret service's attention.
>> hillary wants to abolish, essentially, abolish the second amendment. by the way, if she gets to pick -- [ boo ] -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> everyone knew, and you can see this in the background, everyone knew as soon as donald trump said that, that he had once again crossed a line that no one knew was there. no one knew a presidential candidate would attack a gold star family, as donald trump did last week. and no one knew a presidential candidate could make a reference to the possibility of their opponent being assassinated if the opponent is elected president and put in that position to select her judges. that could never happen in america, that kind of talk. but the only reason it could never happen because donald trump had never run for president before. social media lit up about
questions he had just committed a crime by saying something life threatening about a presidential candidate. former cia director michael haden said this. >> if someone else had of said that outside the hall, he would be in the back of a police wagon now with the secret service questioning him. >> the secret service does not need to have proof of a crime to question people who threaten people under secret service protection. the secret service has many times questioned people for less than what donald trump said today as the public fury mounted this afternoon, the secret service issued this statement. the secret service is aware of the comments made earlier this afternoon. the trump campaign had a choice, they could use the insanity defense, which is increasingly incredible with donald trump. they can use it was a joke defense, but they didn't choose any one of those, they chose the old reliable trump defense that
you did not hear what you just heard. the campaign issued a statement that did not actually defend what donald trump said, presumably because the campaign was choosing to pretend that he didn't say what you just heard, and what the secret service clearly heard. here is the trump campaign's statement. it's called the power of unification, second amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified which gives them great political power and this year they will be voting, in record numbers and it won't be for hillary clinton it will be for donald trump. trump campaign's spent is that he was talking about second amendment people voting for him so that hillary clinton never gets to become president and never gets to pick judges. the problem with that, of course, is what donald trump actually said, which we'll listen to again. >> hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the second
amendment. by the way if she gets to pick -- >> boo. >> -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks, although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> okay. now let's look at those words, if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges -- now, if she gets to pick her judges means, if she's elected president. because she will never get to pick judges if she's not elected president. so if she gets to pick judges, donald trump's words means if she is elected president, there is no other meaning to that. what does he say will happen in that future after those words, after those voters of his, those second amendment voters have failed to elect donald trump president, then hillary clinton is elected president, in that future, if she gets to pick her
judges, nothing you can do, folks. and then donald trump thinks about it in a way that only the twisted mind of donald trump could, nothing you can do, folks. although, the second amendment people, maybe there is. the secret service heard those words exactly the same way i did, exactly the same way you just did, which is donald trump saying if hillary clinton is elected, there's nothing you can do, which would have been a perfectly okay place to stop. but he didn't. and he then add, although the second amendment people, maybe there is. in other words, for people with guns, maybe there is a way to stop president hillary clinton from selecting judges after she gets elected with guns. joining us now, senior
advisement for the trump pence 2016 campaign. also katie, she's also an msnbc contributor. boris, has the secret service question donald trump about what he said today? >> i have no idea what the secret service has or has not done. i am not aware, i assume they have not. based on the comment, all they said they were aware. >> you've never seen the secret service comment on something one of your candidates have said. >> the secret service has commented on goings on at campaign and that's a lot. >> not anything a candidate has said, in the history of it. >> whether i've seen or not or know if they haven't, i haven't gone through the history, i can't tell you whether they have or not in the mat. saying they're aware of something. >> so, boris, are you going to do that thing, you're not going to use the joke defense, are you going to use the trump campaign
official thing that we didn't hear and the secret service didn't hear what the secret service is going. >> i'm not going to parse words. >> we're not going to parse. >> and what he meant. >> not innotation. >> there are 90 million legal gun owners in this country, that's a lot of people and those people make a huge voting block and they need to understand what the by nair choice is and it's for donald trump to respect their respect their hillary clintons. the orlando killer's father being at hillary clinton event front and center, right behind her and saying that he was invited there about what that means. i think that's probably more important than parsing words from somebody and discussing what his intonation meant. >> katie packer, i did not parse words, i simply quoted donald
trump's words which had a fierce implication that if hillary clinton is president, his second amendment people might be the only people who can do anything about preventing her from selecting judges. you've been in a lot of campaigns, katie, you've never had the secret service on anything your candidate had to say. what was your reaction on this unfolding today. >> i was horrified when i saw it. you know, working for mitt romney in 2012 i witnessed a lot of threats to our candidate. i know how serious the job is that the secret service is charged to do, you know, this is just another example of donald trump's words, which are very careless and irresponsible, this was one of those times where it actually crossed the line into dangerous. his own spokesperson, katrina pearson responded by saying, nobody is saying there should be a assassination just that they could be which compounded it. very clearly she heard the same thing we all heard. you know, these spokes people
for the trump campaign can keep on being baghdad bob and pretending like these things aren't being said. republicans are growing tired of having to defend this candidate and explain away the things he has said every time he throws up all over himself. it's very irresponsible, like i said, it crossed the line into dangerous when you have a lot of followers, some of whom, you know, are a little unhinged. we've seen examples of this and you never know who is going to be guided by your words. as a candidate you have to take responsibility and be serious. he should step up in this particular case and say, look, that is not what i meant to say and i'm sorry. and that's the way to fix this. >> boris, you immigrated from russia in '93 you came here, gary lives here from russia, i want to read to you some of the things he says he relates this to his russian experience, something that you share with
him. gary said, putin's followers often joke about opposition leaders being killed, and then they are murdered and it's no joke. trump joking about someone shooting hillary is sick and dangerous, it's how unbalanced people trigger people who are -- they say putin wouldn't say, i make him look bad. as if he cares. it's not about giving the order to murder, creating culture violence hatred punty is enough. he goes on a little bit more. what about that boris, the notion -- you aren't in control of your audience. the guy who shot reagan went to see a movie. >> i want to impress a girl. >> you're not in control of the audience. do you share any of gary's worries about echos of the way putin. >> i disagree. and i think he's playing into a
narrative of trying to tie donald trump to putin which has no place whatsoever and has no bearing, in fact, donald trump after giving an interview and said that i in no way was inciting violence i was only talking about political hatch. >> did he apologize. >> he was talking about plitd cal action, which is voting. if she were to get elected there's legal action, you can briefs, you can petition -- >> there's no legal action to prevent a supreme court justice from being elected. >> once they are elected, once the justice is elected and confirmed you could petition the court or you can petition the lawsuit, that goes against whatever that decision is. there are a lot of nonviolent ways that you can deal with anything that's out there that you disagree with as an american. >> we're going to leave this where it is. i think the audience heard my reading of what this is. i think they understand the
secret service reading, they get what you're trying to say about it and we'll see how much -- >> some will agree, some won't. >> there are viewers out there that are going to agree with you. i want to get to a few other quick things. the irs audit of donald trump, there's no proof this is going on. as you know, the lawyers letter that he put out never used the word audit, will he release the irs audit letter that was sent to him, the form letter. >> he's an individual, it's his right whether to release his taxes or any tax-related information. more importantly he has released 104 pages of financial disclose sure that every candidate has to and as you probably know, there's much more information in disclose sure form, i as a business owner know that for my experience as well. >> you worked on the sarah palin campaign. >> you're primarily assigned to
palin. >> the campaign once -- it was selected as -- >> who do you think is more fit prt presidency, donald trump or sarah palin? >> i think he's very fit, donald trump. i think he's perfectly fit for the presidency as sarah palin was in 2008, now she's a private individual. >> i want you to listen to something that donald trump said today about his wife's immigration status. let's listen to this. >> by the way, they said my wife might have come in illegally, can you believe that one. no, no, no, they said headlines "maybe she came in illegally, maybe" let me tell you one thing, she's got it so documented so she's going to have a news conference over the next couple of weeks, that's good. i love it. i love it. they said, she may have come into our country illegally and how would that be for donald
trump. >> so his wife is going to have a news conference on this subject, will she release all of her -- >> the family, you know, specific documents after -- she's not running for president. she's a spouse. >> the polls -- >> the polls look bad, do you see any possible reversal of this momentum for donald trump, especially if he's going to -- at least once a week, set off some kind of explosion like he did today. >> well, i suppose it's possible
that, you know, hillary clinton could end up going to jail between now and november. it's not very likely under any other scenario i don't see a pass for donald trump. he's starting to show weakness in states where governor romney won in 2012. we haven't seen any of, you know, his big plans to turn states like pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin into republican states. this is a game of addition, not division and everything that donald trump does from week to week causes his support to erode further and so, you know, i think it's looking pretty bad for him right now. >> quick word about polls, you're in a campaign staff to be suicidal. you don't look suicidal to me. >> nobody was suicidal. >> it's gotten worse since then. >> you look at ohio, the key state of ohio when you count in stein within two points.
he's either up or tied in florida, that's very important state, obviously, pennsylvania is about 8 or 10. but 91 days to go until election. what i would love to see is some of these republicans to come around to our side and realize it is a binary choice between donald trump and representing the 14 million voters and hillary clinton who represents the same old -- >> we're out of time. speaker katie, she ain't coming around. >> why did donald trump lie about getting a letter. >> it was not a lie. >> he got a letter. >> i don't check his personal mail. >> boris, thank you very much for coming here. katie packer thanks for joining us again. we're awaiting a news conference any moment after his win in wisconsin tonight. he'll probably get a question about what donald trump said today. republican campaign veteran mike murphy will read these polls and
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let's take a look ib side the polls. in two swing states hillary clinton is ahead of donald trump. white college educated voters, the polls show hillary clinton leading donald trump by ten points and leading pennsylvania by 15 points in that category among white voters with college education. in florida, trump is leading in that category by 9 points. up next, paul ryan's race in wisconsin is news this hour. he's going to be commenting at any moment. he'll get questions about donald trump if there are any questions, we'll be right back with that.
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traditional battleground states. polls in pennsylvania shows hillary clinton leading 45, donald trump 36. gary johnson 7. jill stein, 3. a four way nbc poll shows hillary clinton at 39, donald trump 35. and the four way poll in ohio hillary clinton is 44, donald trump 32. four way nbc news poll of iowa shows hillary clinton, donald trump both at 35. with 90 days left for the war room joining us tonight in the last word is mike murphy, republican strategist who has been in many war rooms and now hosts the pod cast, radio free, gop. mike, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate having such a pro like you here. in the war rooms tonight there's two kind of polls, four-way polls showing gary johnson and
jill stein on the ball loot. gary johnson is going to be probably on all 50 ballots. jill stein probably almost. then they run two-way polls that show different margins between clinton and trump. which poll is more valuable, the one that includes everyone who is actually going to be on that ballot or the one that makes you focus on the two frontrunners? >> my feeling, lawrence, you know, after the convention is when you can start polling, so i think the polls are realistic look at what's going on now. i think the two-way ballot has more weight. if the johnson if they can get into the debates and get some claim and public attention, then i think we can start doing four-way ballots that will be more predicted. right now i would watch the two-way and it shows a lot of trouble for trump and some problems for hillary. >> tell me what you're seeing in these polls? >> sure, i mean the best way to look at a poll is to break it
into pieces and you tend to look at what the poll says versus what history tells you, that's a good predictor by party. what these polls say is hillary has trump in real trouble with college educated white voters which is a republican constituency. she's playing on trump's field. she's getting votes he should get for free. and most of the polling out now, trump is losing college educated white voters getting wiped out, a group he needs to win big to have any shot. unless either minority voters, who really hate trump, dramatically change their point of view about him between now and the election or college educated voters caucasians, particularly white women, dramatically change their point of view. i'm talking about 30, 40 point swings here, he's cooked. so could something happen in 90 days, sure, but these polls structurally all say the same thing, which is trump is trapped in a demographic cul-de-sac
noneducated white voters, mostly men and that's nearly enough to win in america. >> let's talk about the ones that have changed doesn't that mean he has to dramatically change his communication with them and i think we thousand have a pretty big body of evidence that says, that is not going to happen. >> yeah, i think trump is kind of the atomic clock of trump's brand of crazy. you can calibrate to him. so the idea that trump like he was built on a lab to offend the voters he needs most can change, you know, anything is possible, but i'm willing to take bets against it. trump doubles down on what's not working every time. he's the problem -- the problem with trump is trump. all this stuff about pivoting and teleprompters, it's still trump. >> what do you do in the clinton campaign in a situation like this. you're watching him attack a gold star family, days later,
less than a week of dust is cleared after that and here he says this thing today that gets the secret service interested in what he had to say. is -- i mean, is there something -- is there a way for the clinton campaign just to kind of sit back and let this happen? >> well, yeah, she's problematic candidate. they don't want the spotlight on her, trump does. i think what they have to do is keep the heat on trump because he'll keep doubling down and picking fights with the media and being trump, which is a gift to them. i think they're doing a good job. there are two trees they have to chop down, so to speak of perception. >> mike, i'm sorry, i have to interrupt you. paul ryan is taking the podium in wisconsin. we all want to listen to this. >> first of all, i want to say thank you, and welcome to wisconsin. i want to recognize all the candidates who sought federal state and local offices in wisconsin today. it's hard work and i'm grateful that we had so many capable
candidates to take part in a democratic process. i want to highlight one candidate in particular who is on the ballot in wisconsin tonight, mike gallagher. he just won the eighth congressional district republican primary. he is a marine veteran with an impressive background in national security. the eighth district is a seat that needs state republican. it's going to be a hard fought race and i'm looking forward to campaigning with mike during the fall in this campaign. i also want to speak to the residence of southern wisconsin. on behalf of jana, myself, and our kids, thank you. thank you for your trust. thank you for your confidence. thank you for your support in my efforts. i'm a fifth generation jamesville, native, i've been honored to serve this first congressional district since 1998. it's been one of the best experiences of my lifetime. and i'm humbled that so many
want to see me work on their behalf. people here, they know me well. i know -- they know i believe to work to become part of the solution not part of the problem. they share my desire for political leadership that is inclusive, not devicive. they look for hope not fear. most of all, they want someone who works to effectively advance our founding principles. there's a lot of anger that washington just isn't working and that it seems ir revocably broken. the people want to see congress and their elected leaders tackle those tough problems not duck. they're sick of the paralysis and hungry for the results and all too often washington fails to provide those results. in times as uncertain as these it is easy to resort to division. it's simple to prey on people's
fears. that stuff sells, but it doesn't stick. it doesn't last. most of all, it doesn't work. around here, we look beyond the noise and the static. our strength comes from the principles on which our country was founded, self government and liberty. our inspiration comes from the notion that the condition of your birth doesn't determine the out come of your life. and our desires to see everyone get ahead and make sure our children are left better off. so because we want to bring people together, not divide them, because we want to break the grid lock, not perpetuate it. because we want fresh ideas, not out dated ideas, republicans are offering a better way to fix this country's big pressing problems. by taking a better way, we can reignite our nation's economic engine, we can lift people out of poverty and get them on the ladder of opportunity. we can restore our constitution. we can have real patient
centered health care. and we can keep our country safe and free. this is how we turn this passion of the moment into a hard-won future, through ideas, through inspiration, through inclusiveness, through an agenda that we can be proud of, through an agenda that can unit people. we can take this agenda to across this faul and i'm confident they'll reward our efforts. i'm committed to doing everything i can to make sure the status quo, which isn't good enough is not continued because we can do better. wi we're going to make the case that house republicans are offering a new idea for a new day. we can't afford another four years like the obama years. let's be very very clear, that is exactly what hillary clinton and her party are offering. we can get this country back on track. we can tackle our country's
biggest most pressing problems before they tackle us. we can restore the optimism that is there in that small business owner from jamesville. we can restore the optimism that's in the heart of that farmer from al corn. that's in that worker that gets up at 6:00 a.m. or that's in that college kid in kanocia. they all want to find and reach their version of their american dream. and i'm going to do everything single thing i can as their representative of the first congressional district and as speaker of the house to try and make that possible. i just want to end with this, i want to thank my employers, the people i work for here in the first congressional district, for hiring me to fight on their behalf. i simply want to say thank you very much for your confidence, i appreciate it. >> charles benson, i think i see
you. >> you easily beat a guy who not only played the trump card on trade and immigration but embraced him. do you think your landslide victory here will send a larger message, even if donald trump can stay on message. >> i think it means people know me very very well. you know me very well, i'm a local guy. people know who i am, they know what i believe in and they know what i mean what i say and i say what i mean. i don't do it in a mean way. i think that's the kind of policies -- i wouldn't ascribe anything other to it than that. >> bauer, i want to get some local folks, i thought i heard bauer. >> would you consider the presidential nomination in 2020 or even sooner, depending what happens -- >> that's not even a question
i'll even bother entertaining. there's no point in having that conversation. >> manning. >> you had spoken up against donald trump. [ inaudible question ] what is your reaction to manning by saying -- second amendment -- >> i've been a little busy today. i heard about the second amendment quote. it sounds like a joke gone bad. i hope he clears it up very quickly. i didn't actually hear the comments i only heard about the comments. >> national security officials. [ inaudible question ] >> i think it's very clear that trump/pence ticket is going to be one that put good judges at the supreme court and we will find far better receptivity of our agenda that we're trying to get on track to fix this country's problem than hillary
clinton. >> let me get frank and then kelly. >> [ inaudible question ] >> you get to the end zone you act like you've been there before. >> i don't -- i haven't thought about that. look, we knew we were going to do well. we received the vote that we were hoping and expecting to get all along and that's just kind of how the out come is exactly what we were hoping for and what we were expecting and, you know, desperate candidates do desperate things for attention and i think that's what you saw here. >> kelly. >> mr. speaker -- congratulations on the primary, here is the donald trump question. you have been protech tee you know the seriousness of that. do you think when you consider your blank check comment that you would not give the nomination of donald trump a blank check. has he gone too far here when he's talking about matters of
security? >> manning's question, i haven't heard -- i'm not going to make a comment more than i did. no i don't want to do it that way. i've been pretty busy today. the point i made before with any endorsement of anyone they there are never blank checks. let me say it this way, i believe here in wisconsin we have a unified republican party. we have unified republican party we tell people who we are, what our principles are and what we'll do, like we had happen here in wisconsin, we did it. that's exactly what we are trying to do here as house republicans. we have taken our principles, liberty, self determination, upper mobility, equality of opportunity and applied them to the principles of the day and offered a better way, offered an agenda so that the country, which does not like the pack we're on, actually has a better pack from which to choose. that's the kind of agenda we're offering. we believe that's what people are hungry for in this nation and that's been validated right
here in this first congressional district. thank you very much. >> that was paul ryan after his expected huge landslide victory in his republican primary election. he got 84% of the vote. he said we want hope not fear in his statement. he said we want to look beyond the noise and static. we want to bring people together not divide them. he never said the words donald trump when he was in his prepared remarks. he was asked about donald trump and he was asked about donald trump about our own kelly o'donnel who will be joining us shortly. apparently she's with us now. kelly, what was your reaction to his answer to your question. you, of course, reminded the audience you didn't have to remind him that he's been a secret service protect ee and he understands the importance and language that might in any way, effect the secret service
mission. but he's -- but he began he really didn't know what donald trump said today. >> well, you may have heard, i offered to read him the quote, i think because it was primary day he can argue the fact that he was not tuned in to that. that question will come back again. i also acknowledged, you know his primary victory we know these officer holders don't always want to answer questions about donald trump. when you are the speaker of the house and you have been challenged by someone who has been a trump backer and all of those sort of trump effects were around this primary day, as well as the larger issues of paul ryan is trying to get this conservative agenda, as he points out, doesn't have a mean face before the american people. he made clear in his comments he does not want to see hillary clinton become the next president. but he was able to sort of deafly say that he was not specifically familiar with these comments and i reminded him about saying that he had offered
an endorsement in support of trump but not a blank check. so i was hoping to get at, was this a bridge too far. he was not willing to go there tonight. as you pointed out, lawrence, sort of threaded through his prepared remarks was the contrast between paul ryan in the land today and sort of many of the things associated with the candidacy of donald trump when he talked about fear and he talked about ideas and he talked about policy. those things, i think, speak loudly if you're willing to listen to the whole message there about where paul ryan is. he's in a very difficult place. he's got to lead the party in an official capacity as the highest ranking member of the party. and, yet, at the same time, he doesn't want to spend every day contrasting himself with trump. in more subtle ways, he again i think laid a line where he differs and where he hopes many house republicans will differ from some of the bluster of trump. i was hoping the protect ee thing would be a way in.
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calling mexicans rapist, what about suggesting, as he did tonight, that there was a second amendment remedy of sorts to hillary clinton appointing judges. so paul ryan is in a bind. i don't think the tar of the trump endorsement that he either made willingly or unwillingly is ever going to leave him. >> mike murphy, he did offer the opinion, as he put it, it sounded like a joke gone bad. and then he just said that he wants to get the supreme court justices that donald trump would choose and not the ones hillary clinton would choose. >> yeah, i mean, he's in a tough position. if you look at his prepared remarks, which, you know, thought went into, it was a complete repuewation of trumpis. paul ryan wants to be the opposite and makes the republican party message ought
to be opposite. i think he should, but i think his window was about a week ago because then his win tonight would have been a referendum from that. that's easy for me to say, i'm not the speaker and i don't have the republican caucus. >> there was one question he wouldn't answer, that is would he seek or accept the presidential no, ma'am nminatio and the question adding, more sooner that it might become open again this summer. >> i don't see it. maybe mike has more expertise than that. it's impossible to see how they will dump trump. i know there are ways to do using the petitions and all of that stuff. i read them and i think i understand them. it seems like this point, they're stuck with the nominee they have. >> leave it there tonight, thank you both for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. next, an iraq war veteran who was wounded writes an open letter about the things donald trump has said about members of
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we're back with j.r. martinez the veteran whose open letter to donald trump we just read. you were injured in 2003. how long was your recovery? >> i spent nearly three years in san antonio, texas at the brook army medical center, which is the burn center for the military. >> when you heard mr. khan say to donald trump on that stage, you don't know what sacrifice is, that must have had some real meaning to you. >> absolutely. it's something that a lot of veterans face, we have a tendency to echo those same words to a lot of people, more
kind of in a component saying, normal americans don't understand the sacrifices that so many families and service members make on a day-to-day basis, for that we should be gratef grateful, for that we should support them whether it be through holding politicians candidates, nominees accountable and making them speak about the issues that are -- that our veterans are facing and talk about solutions and we're going to support good legit nonprofits that are doing really good to address these issues. when he said that it resinated but then of course there were some following comment that is did not. >> what was your reaction where he attacks a gold star family, something we did not know was possible? >> i'm usually that stays out of the politics, so to speak, for me what it did it ticked me off in a sense of where it bothered me because of the fact, first and foremost i don't like the idea where he's generalize, putting muslims in this
particular case, all of them are this particular way, i'm hispanic, saying all hispanics are in a particular way, people that say veterans are all this way, generalizing it is not good healthy thing for our country in this time, when you see everything that's happening with, you know, the shootings that have taken place over the summer. it's a lot of divide within our country. that was the first thing that ultimately was like, okay, you don't generalize, you don't do that they came here legally and then they lost a son. he made the ultimate sacrifice, my family was on the verge of making that same sacrifice so many had. for his inability to be able to understand what he said and just to say, we can disagree, we can disagree on a lot of things at the end of the day, i am grateful. no, what does he do, he has to defend himself because he's trump and he has to be the dominant one on top and everyone has to praise him and be the follower and said, i've made sacrifices. i i'm successful, i work very
hard. i'm sorry, as i stated in the letter, you don't understand the difference between the sacrifice. you don't understand between the difference. i mean, your children have not served and when your family has served you yourself have not served it's different. it's also with his comment to the purple heart recipient that gave him his purple heart he felt something and i want to be clear, a lot of people on social media, jr, you don't have a right to tell that purple heart recipient what he can and cannot do with his purple heart. if that's what he wants to do, he can. instead mr. trump's comments, i've always wanted one. let me tell you something, lawrence, as you know, no veteran in the history has ever said, i want to get a purple heart recipient and then they never say, this is a much easier way to receive one. it's his inability to hold himself accountable, it's careless, reckless, and that is not something needs at this time. >> thank you so much for having me.
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>> not a word about the letter from the nfl. he must forget his own lies, that's the last word for tonight, special live edition of gun smoke. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews with a late night edition of "hardball." hillary clinton will term nagt the right to bear arms and the only way to possess her will be for the so called second amendment people to take action. >> hillary wants to