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an e-mail that implicated bridget. there's a lot of moving parts here and we're going to find out about christie and the role of all these people in just a few weeks i think. >> matt katz from wnyc, thanks for the time. appreciate it. >> sure, steve. >> that's going to do it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. and now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening to you, lawrence. >> good evening, steve. you know, it always amazed me during the chris christie presidential campaign that so much of the media forgot what was happening back in new jersey in this criminal case which still is going to involve chris christie as a witness probably. >> i always sensed that republican voters knew in the back of their minds and that's why he couldn't get traction. >> yeah. you could see that in the polls. that's true. thank you, steve. >> okay. >> well, donald trump had the whole world thinking about assassination today, not just the united states, because donald trump's words yesterday about the possible assassination of the next president of the united states brought painful memories rushing back, not just here in the united states but in places where words like donald
trump's have really been words that killed. >> hillary wants to abolish the second amendment. >> trump sparked an uproar. >> if she gets to pick her judg judges, nothing you can do, folks. >> with comments suggesting "second amendment people could act against hillary clinton." >> although the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. >> words matter, my friends. >> the media is almost as crooked as crooked hillary clinton. >> the liberal media is making it impossible for him to carry on a campaign. >> it was very painful watching rudy giuliani, a guy that i've respected for a very long time, do that routine. >> yesterday we witnessed the latest in a long line of casual comments from donald trump that cross the line. >> this was a joke that he made during a rally. >> you should never joke about something like that. >> it was wrong. he shouldn't have said it. >> he misspeaks a lot. >> you don't believe he was inferring any violence relating to hillary clinton? >> oh, of course not. of course not.
>> i mean, give me a break. >> friends don't let friends vote for trump. >> we have a small, a very, very small planet compared to the universe, right? >> announcer: this is the last word on campaign 2016. though i am a murderer, i am not a liar. those are the words of a self-confessed assassin. he surrendered on the spot to police after putting two bullets in the back of his target. and the spot he surrendered on was a political rally. and the spot where he was inspired to become an assassin was at another political rally. a boisterous, combative political rally of the candidate who he, the assassin, supported. the assassin's favored candidate had many rallies where the opposing candidate was delegitimized and dehumanized. and instead of chants of "lock her up" the crowd chanted
"traitor" and "nazi." and were reminded of that today by "new york times" non-partisan columnist thomas friedman, in his reaction to what donald trump said yesterday about second amendment people doing something to stop hillary clinton after she is elected president. tom friedman's first sentence today was "and that, ladies and gentlemen, is how israeli prime minister yitzchak rabin got assassinated." the current israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, was prime minister rabin's opponent in that campaign. and the "times" today described netanyahu then as "a dressing a feverish right-wing rally from a balcony in jerusalem's zion square as protesters below shouted for the death of rabin the traitor." yitzchak rabin was depicted in a nazi uniform then, the worst conceivable depiction of a jew anywhere. all because of this.
yitzchak rabin had participated in negotiations with palestinian leader yasser arafat, negotiations that were brokered by united states president bill clinton. yingal amir, then a 25-year-old law student in israel, thought yitzchak rabin's dealings with the palestinians was a crime against the jewish people for which he, yigal amir, had the moral and in his view legal authority under religious jewish law to execute capital punishment against the prime minister. yigal amir believed prime minister rabin was putting the people of israel at risk and had to be stopped. donald trump tells his followers that hillary clinton has already put the united states at risk through the nuclear deal with iran and countless other ways. donald trump's version of calling hillary clinton a nazi is to give her an imagined role in creating the islamic state. in the feverish dementia of
trump world, president obama and secretary clinton are the founding father and founding mother of the islamic state. this is donald trump's earlier tonight. >> isis is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. okay? he's the founder. he founded isis. and i would say the co-founder would be crooked hillary clinton. co-founder, crooked hillary clinton. >> as that audience knows, the united states military has executed by drone and otherwise every founding member of isis they've been able to find. if donald trump's audience is as mentally unstable as he is, and if millions of them are as he would put it second amendment people, then donald trump is telling millions of americans
with guns that hillary clinton is one of the worst deadly enemies of the united states that we've ever had. for shots to be fired all donald trump needs is one person who hears him, who believes him, who has access to guns, and who is as mentally unstable as donald trump is. just one. out of millions of trump supporters, donald trump and countless republicans want trump supporters in the rest of america to believe that hillary clinton already has blood on her hands because of the loss of four american lives in benghazi including hillary clinton's friend, ambassador chris stevens. hillary clinton is now a convicted criminal, convicted in the court of trump, convicted by trump at trump rallies with trump juries. the chant is not "indict her." the chant is "lock her up." the chant says we don't care
that fbi agents and prosecutors have looked at hillary clinton's state department e-mail arrangement and not been able to find a criminally prosecutable offense that they believe they could get a conviction on. the chant says we don't care about guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. the chant does not say charge her with a crime, put her on trial. the chant jumps past all of that and says "lock her up." and every once in a while there's someone at a trump rally who says "kill her." >> hang the bitch. >> israeli columnist shem shemi shalev wrote, "like the extreme right in israel, many republicans clearly ignore the fact that words can kill. if anyone has doubts they could use a short session with yigal amir, yitzchak rabin's assassin, who was inspired by the rabid rhetoric hurled at the israeli
prime minister." yigal amir was despised by most israelis after the assassination but not all. he had his supporters who believed is that he did the right thing for israel. the most important thing to yigal amir after he assassinated yitzchak rabin was that he did not want anyone to think he was crazy. he wanted everyone to know he thought carefully about firing two hollow point bullets into yitzchak rabin's back and that he had done it for good reason because he was protecting the people of israel from a nazi, he was protecting the people of israel from a traitor, an enemy of israel, he was saving israel from yitzchak rabin. he was doing what donald trump says he has to do, save america from hillary clinton. yigal amir told israeli police, "i am at peace. i did what many people wanted to do. i am totally normal. i do not want people to think
that i am crazy. otherwise, i will not achieve my goal." the question for america tonight and the urgent question for the secret service tonight, which issued a worried statement about donald trump, about what donald trump said yesterday, is how many yigal amires are there here? who believe every word that donald trump says about hillary clinton, who believe when donald trump calls hillary clinton a monster that she is a monster, who believe when donald trump calls hillary clinton a devil that she is the devil. those are his words. and that the devil must be stopped. how many believe that? in this country of hundreds of millions of guns and millions of donald trump supporters. millions of hillary clinton haters. what are the chances that donald trump's feverish out of control language can stir up the passions of a donald trump
fanatic who hates hillary clinton? and has a gun. it only takes one. one trump supporter. that's all it takes. rudy giuliani seems to think the trump rallies are filled with potential assassins. this morning he insisted that donald trump did not in any way imply that hillary clinton should or could be assassinated, and then he said this. >> with a crowd like that, if that's what they thought he meant, they'd have gone wild. >> so there's rudy giuliani saying donald trump's crowd would have gone wild if he had even more directly suggested the assassination of hillary clinton. the crowd would have gone wild. and it only takes one to go really wild. joining us now is dan rather, former anchor of the cbs evening news. he is currently host of axs tv's
"the big interview." dan, when we're reaching for historical precedent and in big historical moments like this, we turn to you. you were there in dallas on november 22nd, 1963. you saw what this country went through in a presidential assassination. that anyone near our politics could have said anything like what donald trump said leaves us all reeling. but for you, with your experience, it must have been something truly unique. >> well, yes. it reminds me that, you know, history is watching and history will judge. not just what donald trump says but what the american people decided, how we settle this election campaign. but beginning in my adult lifetime with the assassination of president john f. kennedy, we followed it with the assassination of dr. martin luther king and with a lot of
exploittive and incendiary language used against dr. king, and again, it only took one, you know. with robert kennedy, who was a candidate for president, let us not forget, in 1968, was assassinated, it only took one. you respond by saying this is not just another sort of wild donald trump statement. this is serious. because the rhetoric is the candidate. it's no good saying, well, he doesn't mean these things or he doesn't think these things through or it's a joke, which by the way i take special resentment to it's a joke. this is not a joking matter. and i never thought having gone through a lot of assassinations -- by the way, there was an attempt on presidential candidate george wallace's life in the early 1970s as well. an attempt on gerald ford's life. ronald reagan very nearly died from only one assassin. >> and all mentally unstable people. >> yes. >> that's who's out there.
that's who's vulnerable to this. >> exactly. and among the side effects of what donald trump did by wink, wink, wink. well, second amendment people may have to take care of hillary clinton, paraphrase of it. a side effect of it is i grew up in texas, i grew up in a gun culture. i know a lot of people who are strong for the second amendment. and what donald trump did was he undercut a lot of decent intending citizens who own guns to make it so that it plays into the stereotype that every one of them is a gun-crazy nut job just looking for a target, which is not the case. but set that aside at the moment. the end of this story has to be is this or is this not acceptable conduct for a major party candidate of the united states? i think the obvious answer, not a matter of opinion, the obvious answer is absolutely not. that's not -- that's not who we are as a people. this is not what we're about as a society, as a country.
and we'll see how this all plays out. i've said to you before, i think donald trump can win the election. i think his chances are less now than they were maybe two weeks go before the khan sordid business and the gun business. but it would be a mistake to think that the potential is not still there for him to get elected, to beat hillary clinton. a lot of unexpected things can happen along the way. but i have enough confidence in the american public. you know, the american people are civil, decent people. yes, they sometimes feel strongly about their politics or their ideology. but this kind of uncivil indecent offensive and i agree with what one newspaper today said, with the gun statements. donald trump moved from being offensive to being reckless. and you can't abide this kind of recklessness in a presidential campaign. i don't care what you call yourself, progressive, conservative, republican or
democrat. >> of course donald trump denies it was a joke. but what he does is he denies that he said what he said. let's listen to his explanation tonight on fox news. >> what we're talking about is political power. there's tremendous political power to save the second amendment. tremendous. and you look at -- you know, you look at the power they have in terms of votes. and that's what i was referring to, obviously. that's what i was referring to. and everybody knows it. >> so dan, he goes on fox news and he just lies about what he said. that's not what he said. and greta van susteren, no one at fox news argues with him about that. what is the right way for an interviewer to handle someone who's just going to lie about what he said yesterday? >> well, the way to do it is to ask him a direct question and insist on a direct answer and to keep following up on the question. very few people in television, and i fault myself some of the time, do it. you may ask the tough question. the interview subject does the old political side shuffle, which is what donald trump's
attempting to do here, and you move on. it takes a kind of bore in, keep asking the question, if it takes asking it 10, 12 times, ask it 10, 12 times until and unless it's clear the candidate is not going to answer the question or fesses up that he has said a lie. and by the way, that's the operative word sometimes. i think many of us in television are too reluctant to use the word lie. we say misspoke himself or dealt in ambiguity. but you know, again, i'll come back to, i have great confidence in the american people as a whole of being able to separate bull shine from brass tacks. and when donald trump said what he said about guns, people get it. they know what he meant. they also know it wasn't a joke. and no amount of backfilling and side stepping is going to change that. now, one could hope and pray that donald trump will completely reboot his campaign and stop saying these offensive and now reckless things. but i don't think that you're going to bet the rent money on
that. >> dan, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i want to see donald trump do the dan rather interview. that's the one i'm waiting for. thank you very much. >> thank you very much, lawrence. >> coming up, donald trump under oath. how many times do you think donald trump got caught lying when he was put under oath? and paul ryan still won't comment on donald trump's comments that he last night pretended he hadn't heard about the second amendment people and hillary clinton. the democrat running against paul ryan, trying to make history by unseating the speaker of the house, will join us tonight for his first national interview. here whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence!
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politician. you can say he's only been a politician for about a year. but you cannot defend a politician by saying he's not a politician. but that defense of donald trump will never die. even after he won 36 primaries as a politician. even after his name will be on the ballot in 50 states as the republican candidate for president. he's not a politician. that's the defenders' official line. and that line allows them, they think, to defend any lie that donald trump tells. and it allows them to pretend that lies are not lies. the one place in donald trump's life where he hasn't been able to get away with lying is when he is under oath in litigation. donald trump made the breathtakingly stupid mistake of suing tim o'brien, a "new york times" reporter who wrote a book about him. and in that book said that donald trump lied about a lot of things, including his wealth. o'brien estimated that donald trump's wealth is between 150
and 250 million dollars. nowhere near a billionaire. donald trump lost the lawsuit but left behind a 170-page under oath deposition in which he was at several points forced to admit several lies that he told in public as part of his routine. donald trump was being questioned by highly experienced former federal prosecutors who were then in private practice representing the publisher at no expense to the author. how many times did they catch donald trump lying when they put him under oath? 30. they caught donald trump in 30 lies. and when he was caught lying, he said under oath in the deposition, "i'm no different from a politician running for office. you always want to put your best foot forward." so much for donald trump not being a politician. joining us now, david cay
johnson, pulitzer prize-winning journalist and columnist with the daily beast. he has a new book out, "the making of donald trump." and also with us, charlie pearce, writer at large for "esquire." david cay, you've been stud studying a lot of this territory tim o'brien studied. this is your latest volume, i always have it with me now, "the making of donald trump." this deposition is invaluable because it has donald trump under oath. he knows if he lies in the deposition he faces perjury charges. and so what they present to him is a bunch of public lies that he has rattled off, and they force him under oath to admit that he was lying when he said those things publicly. what are some of the gems in there? >> well, my favorites out of that deposition are frankly about how he's lied about his wealth. he's asked about how do you determine your net worth?
and while this isn't quite a lie in the way you're talking about it, he says, well, my feelings. and he goes on at some length that his feelings and what's happening that day and his mood, that determines his net worth. and he's suing tim o'brien over an issue of net worth, and it's what he feels like? hey, you know what? it's been a good day, lawrence, i think i'm worth a billion dollars today. how about you? >> he publicly was very definitive about one thing in his life that he never did. he said he never, ever borrowed money from his father's estate, never, absolute zero. under oath he said, "i think a small amount a long time ago. i think it was in the $9 million range." so charlie pearce, out there to the public, zero, never borrowed a penny from my old man, under oath only $9 million.
>> it's amazing what the effect of putting your hand on a bible, when that bible is backed up by a prison cell, will do for a fella. yeah, you fastened, lawrence, on one of my pet peeves, which is any politician who runs for office claiming not to be a politician. but even taking him at his word, ever since he ran his mouth about the second amendment people the other day, i talked to dozens of people, none of whom are politicians, and none of them would have said that. >> yeah, exactly. and now to go -- going to the lying point, donald trump is now lying about what he said yesterday. he could have used the insanity defense. we all would have accepted that. he could have used the joke defense, like paul ryan did. very, very bad joke if it was a joke. instead he said i didn't say what you heard me say. let's listen to one of the trump audience members who's now become famous because he's the red shirt guy who we all saw behind donald trump.
let's listen to the way he interpreted what donald trump said. >> i was thinking exactly what i said to my neighbor, connie, and that was, i can't believe he said it. the media will have a field day with this one. down here in the south we don't curse in front of women. we don't drink liquor in front of the preacher. and we don't make jokes like that in public. but it was clear to my mind and to the people around me that he was trying to make a joke. >> so david, he sees it as a joke, but he also doesn't in any way confuse what donald trump was actually saying. >> but lawrence, he was obviously a plant paid to be there by the hillary clinton campaign. >> trump supporter, true blue -- a true red trump supporter. >> we're joking about this. but listen, donald's lies have led to violence. not just the violence he's called for and then denied but
one of the upstate new york newspapers has a story about a guy wearing a trump shirt who was beaten and attacked. he is unleashing terrible forces in this country, and it's going to get worse. let's assume the media suddenly says we're not going to cover these things. that won't have any effect here. he has now let the dogs loose. and there is going to be trouble down the road. and i don't know what you do to stop this once you have done what donald has done, which is signal to people that it's okay to carry out a crime that donald wouldn't himself do, he wants you to do for his benefit. >> charlie, donald trump used to primarily avoid any interview on primetime here on msnbc. he's never done it. but he's now limiting himself almost exclusively to fox news, where it's going to be all softball. greta van susteren had the softballs in her hand tonight. she allowed donald trump to tell the lie about what he said
yesterday with absolutely no comeback from greta van susteren at all. >> yeah. i think by november he's going to be appearing exclusively on ham radio sets in upper michigan, which will be all right because we'll all be able to hear him in our teeth. no, i think david came to a very good point there, and i sensed this actually in 2012. and it goes back further than that. it certainly goes back to the first inauguration of this particular president. there's a wildness and an untamed element to american conservative politics that's gotten worse over the last 20 years, and it's sort of like this free-floating dark energy that's been looking for a focus, a focal point over the last two or three cycles. and boy, it found one this time. i'll tell you what. i went to a donald trump rally, the first one i ever went to, in lowell, massachusetts almost a year ago, and it was flatterifying. it really was. >> david cay johnson, charlie
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it's only happened once. well, it's happened more than once. but only once in the 20th century. only once in modern american history has the speaker of the house been defeated in his re-election campaign in his home district. >> for the leading congressional democrat it was insult added to injury. tom foley not only lost his job as house speaker, he lost his congressional seat as well, conceding this afternoon. >> joining us now for his first national interview, the man who wants to pull off that miracle once again, ryan solen, winner of the democratic primary in wisconsin who now has the honor of running against house speaker paul ryan in the general election. mr. solen, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for the opportunity. i appreciate it. >> what is your pitch to voters in that district, why they should get rid of the most powerful member of congress representing them now. >> the idea behind it all is
that paul ryan has been ineffective speaker of the house at this point. he's had an awful lot of opportunity. he's been in office for a long time. and he just has not been as effective as he should be. we are trying to make progress on an awful lot of issues, and so far it's just been gridlock. and being the ranking member of the republican party, he should be doing more. >> it's really quite striking that as speaker he's the leader of a party whose mission is to actually do nothing. they don't want to pass appropriations bills. they don't want government spending going out there into these districts. so historically, speakers have been really big benefactors to their own district, and he leads a party that is basically opposed to delivering anything to anyone. >> yes, you are correct in that assessment. i think we've been waiting for a
while. we've gone through a really rough time as far as economics have gone. i know there have been claims that the economy is bouncing back. you could take the dow jones and use that as an estimate. but the fact of the matter is the people themselves i don't think are feeling that. they're still looking for more. >> let's listen to what paul ryan said last night in defense of donald trump. >> i heard about the second amendment quote. it sounds like just a joke gone bad. you should never joke about something like that. i didn't actually hear the comments. i only heard about those comments. >> what was your reaction to that? >> well, my first reaction would be to donald trump. i really am trying to figure out what his end game is here. i don't think that that's appropriate, to even be joking about, for an office that he's aspiring to, it's totally inappropriate. and for the speaker of the house to say it was just a joke gone bad i think that needs to be
retracted. >> what is ahead for you in this campaign? do you think there will be a debate in this campaign against paul ryan? >> i certainly hope so. we've actually contacted the paul ryan campaign and have asked for a debate. so far we have not heard anything back. but i'm hoping that we will have one soon. >> do you have any disagreements with hillary clinton in terms of her platform and the programs that she wants to advance through congress? >> right now i think that she's got a very solid platform. i know she said she's going to adopt some of bernie sanders' additional issue items, and i think that's going to go a long way toward healing the apparent rift that occurred earlier on. i really think that she's got great chances and good opportunities to make a difference in the country. >> ryan solen, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> coming up, there is a new candidate for president. he's a republican. he's a mormon. no one's ever heard of him,
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time for tonight's war room. hillary clinton is reaching out to voters in a state that has not been won by a democrat in 52 years. utah. a new poll of utah voters shows donald trump at 37. hillary clinton at 25. gary johnson at 16. that's high for him. jill stein at 1. anti-trump candidate evan mcmullen, who was born in utah, also hopes to appear on the utah ballot now as a presidential line. he could take votes from donald trump. here's what he said on "morning
joe" earlier this week. >> as a former cia officer i deeply believe that donald trump harms the strength and prosperity of this country. donald seeks to divide us. he seeks to pit us against each other one race and religion against the other. this is the work of our adversaries. this is the work of vladimir putin. and as i say, it is the work of donald trump. >> with 89 days left for the campaign war rooms, joining us tonight on the "the last word" war room rick ward, a republican strategist helping evan mcmullen in that campaign. also careen jean pierre. a veteran of martin o'malley's presidential war room. you've got a foot back in the war room in this campaign. just a little by bio stuff on evan mcmullen. he is mormon. he is from utah. he worked on the hill for a while for republicans, worked in the cia before that. it looks like he can get on the utah ballot because you've got
to do it by august 15th. it's only 1,000 signatures. but a lot of deadlines are going to be impossible for him in a bunch of states. how many ballots do you think he can get on? >> we've got a strategy for very wide ballot access, lawrence. and even in some of the states where the deadlines have passed we have a ballot strategy to engage with minor party ballot access in those states. and with appeals to some of those deadlines in those states. and if that fails we feel like we've got a very good litigation case to make to open up access, including some of the noted legal scholars in the country who said that a lot of these things have simply been untested and we're about to go test them. but we've got a team of junkyard dog lawyers and a campaign expert who are going to go out in these states, in the states where we still have time we're going to be out there doing the petition route. we're going to be getting out in those states, doing the third party ballot route.
we've got a few other tricks up our sleeve in that regard as well. >> careen, so here we have the alternative on the ballot for republicans in utah. gary johnson's doing -- outperforming his national numbers in utah. now we have evan mcmullin coming along. presumably, they will take votes away from donald trump. and by the way, hillary clinton is an alternative to donald trump for a bunch of republicans in utah too. interviews in the "new york times" today saying that they will vote for hillary clinton to very specifically prevent trump from becoming president. this is the state that the clinton campaign is now taking very seriously. >> yeah, which i think is a very smart strategy. we saw that they did an op-ed. hillary clinton did an op-ed in one of the local papers out in utah. and look, donald trump is running one of the most offensive, divisive campaigns of all time. so it's not surprising that she's appealing to disaffected republican voters, independent voters, which is like i said a
very smart strategy. look, at the end of the day this game is going to be won on the ground. you've got to get 270 electoral colleges. and you know, because of this hate-filled campaign that donald trump is running the democrats actually have a clearer path to getting 270. but not only that, they could expand the electorate as well. >> let's listen to what donald trump said about mitt romney, who is one of the great admired political figures in utah. let's listen to this. >> for a guy that really let us down, this poor mitt romney, it's sad, he's going around saying oh, oh -- [ boos ] he choked. you know what i choke artist is? right? you know what a choke -- you know when a guy misses the kick you get rid of him. you bring another one in, right? because you don't want that thought going in his head too much. he choked. >> rick wilson, it seems to me the only strategy for donald trump to try to win utah is to stay out of utah and not let
them hear his voice and just hope that the word "republican" beside his name gets him the win there. >> lawrence, that's increasingly true everywhere in the country. i mean, if you're sitting in the donald trump war room, which i think basically is his twitter account, and you're looking at the map right now -- >> it's a guy in pajamas with ice cream and a twitter machine. >> pretty much. you'd be feeling a lot of depression if you were donald trump because he's being soundly rejected by the american people across the board. that's why evan thinks he's got a moment here that utah and beyond, where we can offer people a different alternative to the trump disaster. and frankly a different alternative to hillary clinton as well. we'll see how we do. but we feel like there's a moment here. >> karine, the clinton campaign has to decide where it's going to seriously invest resources hoping for i win. and then there's another decision to make. where are they going to put in some resources hoping to force donald trump to spend some time there and take donald trump away
from more important states where he should be campaigning? >> well, what's very interesting that's happening is there are states that have been heavily republican for some time now that are potentially possibly in play. it looks like arizona, which is heavily latino. latino population. georgia, which has a large african-american population. and north carolina, which president obama won in 2008 but lost in 2012. and remember, the first stop that he made, the first campaign stop that he made for hillary clinton was in charlotte, north carolina. so there are definitely opportunities there for the hillary campaign to kind of focus on to make the trump campaign focus in on more. >> karine jean-pierre and rick wilson, thank you both for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks, lawrence. >> we'll be right back with the last word. or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.
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