tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC August 12, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
since he first came down the elevator of his golden tower. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> so i said "obama is the founder of isis." the founder. >> trump lets america in on the joke. obviously i'm being sarcastic, but not that sarcastic, to be honest with you. >> serious trouble for republicans in stunning new battleground polls, and why this was the worst week of the campaign for donald trump. >> don't believe the garbage you read. >> plus, hillary clinton releases her taxes. >> you learn very little from tax returns. >> why her opponent is refusing to do the same. >> then the 2016 fever swamps. >> watch her reaction. because it's -- it almost seems seizuresque. >> the alex jonesification of
the republican nominee. >> it is surreal to talk about issues here on air and then word for word hear trump say it two days later. >> all that and another massive overhall of our trump's last ten list when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. for a week that was supposed to turn it around for the trump campaign, the past few days could not have gone much worse. the culmination, new polling out today, that shows trump falling further and further behind in key battleground states. according to the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, he trails her by five in florida, nine in north carolina, and a whopping 14 points in colorado. clinton has expanded her lead in every single one of those states, with the exception of florida. those new numbers cap off a devastating series of blunders since donald trump accepted the republican nomination in mid july, including but not limited
to, his outreach to russian hackers and his attacks on the family of a slain muslim american soldier. all that was to come to an end this week, with his policy speech delivered a teleprompter, then his inflammatory comments about second amendment people somehow stopping clinton. after that, his claim repeated over and over again and clinton and president obama were the co-founders of isis, not as a figure of speech, but the actual co-founders. this morning, trump started to back away from that literal claim. writing on twitter, ratings challenged cnn.com reports so seriously that i call president obama and clinton the founder of isis. they don't get sarcasm? that was the same excuse he gave about asking russia to hack her e-mails. but later he seemed reluctant to give up his new turn of phrase. >> so i said the founder of isis. obviously being sarcastic. then, then -- but not that
sarcastic, to be honest with you. and they all said, he should not say that, that is not -- they should call him an enabler. call him an enabler. i said, that doesn't sound the same. these people are the worst. >> on top of the problems coming out of his mouth, there's the problem of his campaign's total lack of organization on the ground. according to the campaign, they're yet to identify local leaders or even open a campaign office in a crucial county in southwest ohio. reporterly one field office opened in the entire state of florida, headquartered in sarasota. and trump is still wholly uninterested in doing the work it takes to get voters to the polls upon. >> i think we'll have tremendous voter turn-out, from the evangelicals, from the miners, from the people who make our steel. i don't know that we need to get
out the vote. people that want to vote, they're going to get up, and get out and vote for trump. >> trump's amateurish campaign has abysmal poll numbers, his uncontrollable behavior giving way to panic amongst republicans at large. among reports he issued a win r warning to trump, reince priebus made an appearance at his rally to reassure the public that everything is completely fine. >> we're so honored to be working with donald trump and the campaign. don't believe the garbage you read. let me tell you something, donald trump, the republican party, all of you, we're going to put him in the white house and save this country together. >> joining me now, former congressman barney frank, democrat from massachusetts, surrogate for the clinton campaign and adviser on economic issues. mr. frank, you were in politics for a long time. you know how to read a poll. you have a sense of how folks do and don't get elected.
what is your -- what is your take-away from this past week? >> this campaign has become almost random. look, we understand. this is a man with no discipline, no capacity to think in a logical way, and i guess maybe that's his business career, which he has probably exaggerated to some extent, has been a series of one-offs. he hasn't had a serial development plan. he's had this and that project, in which his outsized personality, in which he successfully marketed, is the glue. but when it comes to trying to deal seriously, look, i thought in the clips you just played, the most interesting thing was when he mocked what they were saying, by trying to sound serious. when donald trump tries to sound serious, he's silly. he's simply incapable of that. i tell you what i thought was a very revealing moment about his
personality. it's when john mccain and kelly ayotte, senator of new hampshire, paul ryan, criticized his assault on that mother of the muslim who was killed. and he then -- and they all said, we wish he hadn't said that, that was a terrible thing to say, but we're still going to vote for him. they got some criticism. trump's response was, that wasn't good enough. trump's response was, i'm not going to support them. look at the nature of that. they all said that they would support him, they would vote for him, but they wouldn't completely agree with him, and he rejected that. the personality of this man is just totally dysfunctional. and here's the dilemma that republicans have, though. there's a strong number of people, small but devoted and they can't repudiate him. the only thing i would say is this, and it's very encouraging about the american public. if you look at american history,
40% is the lowest any national candidate goes even in the worst of times. barry goldwater got 40%. george mcgovern got 40%. getting below that is virtually impossible. trump seems to be achieving this. and people say, how can he get away with this? give the american people credit. the republican primary messed up badly by nominating him. but at this point, he's losing worse than any major candidate in american history because the american people at large don't buy this act. >> i think that's a valid point. the numbers we're looking at here, we are in uncharted territory when we are talking about 32%, 31% for a major party nominee. in colorado, 32%. virginia, 33%. that's pretty much unheard of, for a major party nominee. i mean, it's an important point
because so much of the time has been spent about this chemical magic he seems to have and everything he does should backfire and it doesn't. but that was really about the electorate he was running in. once he took it to the general, we're seeing how it plays out. >> two parts. in fantasy world, yes, it was a republican electorate that had been led on by the republican leadership. the republican leadership can't blame this entirely on the electorate when they encouraged the kind of irrationality and vile expressions of anger that helped trump. the other thing, american people are seeing trump for the first time unsheltered. there was, when he was running against so many people, but you had had the clinton/sanders race. so i would have to look at this, what has public opinion said about trump in that period once the two nominees were discovered -- or decided. because what we're announcing, as the american people see
trump, unsheltered, not as part of a crowd, as one of the two candidates, he's losing badly what he had before. >> always a pleasure. thanks for coming by. i'm joined by april ryan, white house correspondent and washington bureau chief and jeremy bird, senior adviser to the clinton campaign, national field director on president obama's 2012 re-election campaign. jeremy, if there's one person in the country who's got all of the math of these states embedded in their brain, it's you. what do you -- when you look at these battleground polls out today, what is your reaction to them? >> well, it's just what you and the congressman were talking about. when you're in a general election running and there's two candidates head to head, you want to be in the mid 40s, flirting with 50 in battleground state polls, not in the low 30s, trying to get up to the mid 30s. but i'll say the one state in there that i thought was just fascinating is north carolina plus nine. that's unheard of territory for a democratic candidate to be up
nine in north carolina at this stage in the election. >> jeremy, quickly a follow-up. why is he over-performing florida relative to other battleground states? iowa and nevada, where it's very close. it's relatively close in ohio, although she has a lead. florida's interesting to me, because i can't get around the math of the demographics, why he's doing better there than say north carolina, virginia, and colorado. >> i think there's a lot of noise in the polls and we'll see them go up and down in some of these states. but when you look at the totality of the states and the consistency over the last week of the polls, i think florida is a state where being down five is astronomical in a general election. that's a state where we won by 120,000 votes in 2012. so five points is margin. >> that's a good point.
april, trump has been banging the drum about the election being rigged. it's toxic. here he is talking about pennsylvania tonight. take a listen. >> the only way we can lose, in my opinion -- i really mean this -- pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. and we have to call up law enforcement, and we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everybody watching. because if we get cheated out of this election, if we get cheated out of a win in pennsylvania, which is such a vital state, especially when i know what's happening here, folks. i know. she can't beat what's happening here. the only way they can beat it, in my opinion, and i mean this 100%, if in certain sections of the state they cheat. >> certain sections of the state, april. what do you think he's talking about there? >> in urban sections, of course. and how are we cheating, when you talk about you're an sections? as a black community, we're
having issues when it comes to voting rights, violations, in many elections. so that's going to be very interesting to see that pan out if he does indeed lose pennsylvania. but i think even deeper than that, chris, words have vibrations. his words have vibrations. early on in his campaigning, we saw him say something and i believe it was minnesota, the state of minnesota. and i've said this before. there were some people who beat up a homeless man and spit on them using the words donald trump. then we saw what happened in chicago and you saw people on tape saying, if these protesters come back, we're going to kill them. they used the words kill. we're seeing this, in his words, mean something to the people that follow him. but i'm going to say something. both sides have a strategy. and it's interesting, as you're talking about these states, that hillary clinton could win, and on the democratic side, this is not game-playing, this is not cheating, this is a serious strategy that they are trying to win the oval office for this
election cycle. they're saying, they have a new southern strategy. the democratic party says they are saying that they could possibly win these southern states. georgia, north carolina, louisiana, and -- >> south carolina was plus two yesterday for donald trump. >> but the issue, the reason why they think they can win is because they're going to leave the gun issue alone right now. they say a lot of people in these states love guns. and they're going to leave the gun issue alone, to possibly get over the top and win these states. >> jeremy, you were shaking your head, sort of in disgust at that rift from donald trump, which i think is the appropriate reaction. i have to say, there's something deeply, deeply poisonous about talking that way, both the racial coding of it, they're going to steal it, and what it sets up in terms of a legitimacy problem afterward. why were you shaking your head? >> you hit it on the head.
there's a racial tone to what he's saying. but as importantly as what he's saying, he's trying to delegitimize the election. it's very dangerous in a democracy to have that kind of language. and we know so much what he says is dangerous. usually when a candidate is blaming the media or claiming the other side is going to cheat before the election starts, they have an issue, but i think it's very dangerous to be talking about the legitimacy of our democratic process. >> and the polling average in pennsylvania right now is 11 points. the guy is getting his clock cleaned by every single empirical metric. you don't need to invent a conspiracy as to why he's losing. thank you both. coming up, we have several additions to the trump's last ten list, the things that are so bad they would have ended any other campaign. you don't want to miss those updates. but first, hillary clinton and tim kaine release their tax returns as trump continues to peddle false reasons for why he won't release his own. that's next.
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democratic candidates for president and vice president released their tax returns today. hillary clinton released a 2015 return, a joint return with bill clinton. they've now released returns dating back to 2007. and tim kaine and his wife released ten years of tax returns. they paid a combined effective rate of 43% in taxes, gave nearly 10% of their income to charity. that puts a renewed spotlight on the republican nominee to release his tax returns. today at a rally in pennsylvania, some protesters held up tax forms. trump claims he can't release his returns until his audit is completely. which is simply not true. >> when you were seeking a casino license in pennsylvania and new jersey, you released returns even though you were under audit. >> i am under audit now and as soon as it's complete, i'll
release them. >> what is your tax rate? >> it's none of your business. you'll see it when i release, but i fight very hard to pay as little as possible. >> joining me now, author of the making of donald trump, which is out in book stores now. you've looked at a lot of tax filings over the years of different politicians. your reaction to the clinton and kaine filings today? >> they're routine sort of filings for the income levels they have. at the clintons' level, there are in recent years, 12 to 18,000 households that make over $12 million a year and their tax burden is right what i would expect for that year. they tied, in effect, by giving away about 10% of their income. they don't get any benefit from giving it to the clinton foundation. they don't receive payroll salarisa salaries from it or anything else. so pretty routine level. same thing for the kaines. for their income level, around $300,000 a year, their tax
burden is just about what you would expect. >> one point i would make about the clinton foundation, which is the enormous entity that started as the william j. jefferson foundation, and became the clinton foundation. and then there's the family's foundation, wealthy families create foundations that are a clearing house for charitable giving. people say they're just giving it to the clinton foundation, and there's allegations it's corrupt, which i think is unestablished. but this is the vehicle they use for their household giving. >> that's right. many people do it the way my wife and i do through a fund at our community foundation. the one that my wife happens to run. but there are timing reasons you want to do that. the clintons have had big variations in their income. if their income drops, their giving will probably drop, but they can continue supporting the charities they care about at a consistent level.
ask these are endowment funds they're supporting, they're permanent social capital and you pay out of that a portion each year. ben franklin started two funds over 200 years ago that are still providing scholarships. >> i don't think we're ever going to see donald trump's taxes, because i think he's made the probably correct calculation that the harm of not releasing them is less than the harm of releasing them. that's basically your working assumption as well? >> yes, although i did write a speech for donald trump to get him elected and he said, i haven't paid income taxes in years. lots of people like me don't pay taxes. that's awful. you elect me and i'll fix that. i think he could get a lot of votes. there's a similarity here in the tax returns with hillary and bill clinton and dick cheney and his wife. >> what is that? >> they both paid nearly the maximum possible tax. dick cheney had clean tax
returns. he never tried to play games with the government. hillary clinton and bill some years ago, paid more than twice as much income tax because they were being so cautious. and i just find it interesting. >> this is one thing i find fascinating. because there's this reputation of the clintons skating close to the line, or making judgments to come back to bite them. two great examples, the paid speaking engagements hillary clinton did in the year in which it was evident she was going to run for office, she did goldman sachs, they didn't really need the money, they could have done the cautious thing and not done it. and on the clinton e-mail serve esh, they could have done the cautious thing and they didn't. on the taxes, they are very cautious. these looks like the tax returns of someone who knows they're in the spotlight and wants to completely color within the lines. >> that's right. and i don't think there's anything at all to be found in their tax returns. by the way, let's not forget that donald trump gave speeches too.
multi level marketing organizations and others. i make speeches for money, and i assume that you do, chris. there's nothing wrong with doing that. it's enterprise. >> i do not now and there's a reason for that. it's nbc policy, which is a great policy, that we can't do that. and i think is the proper policy. if we do them, we have to give the money to charity. david k. johnson and a little bit of nbc standards. >> that's what we do. we give our fees away. >> thank you very much. coming up with trump's poll numbers in free fall, the right-wing conspiracy machine is working in overdrive. the latest bizarre clinton attacks ahead. ♪ ♪ only those who dare drive the world forward.
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for months now, we've been doing the trump's last ten, a running tally of things that literally any other candidate said or done them, probably would end their campaign, but not donald trump. time to make room for new items. we bid farewell to the bottom half of the list. trump calling on the russians to hack hillary clinton and also claiming ruth bader ginsburg's mind is shot. up there now, trump's attacks on the khan family. at number five, he saw video of the plane that transported millions of dollars in cash. later it was found to be news b roll.
number three, trump's suggestion that the second amendment people could do something about clinton even after she was elected, which he later somewhat unconvincingly said he meant as using their unity of purpose to organize people to vote. number two, trump's repeated claims that president obama is the founder of isis and also hillary clinton just for good measure, which he today tried to play off as a joke. and today, trump said he would be fine sending americans accused of terrorism to gitmo for military trials which is unconstitutional on its very face. perhaps not a surprise from the candidate who said he would bring back water boarding and more. we'll keep updating as circumstances dictate, which when it comes to trump, they always do. you laugh. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future, we're here for you. we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped families just like yours with wills and living trusts.
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and i'll tell you, it is surreal to talk about issues here on air and then word for word hear trump say it two days later. it is amazing. and it just shows how dialed in this guy is, and that's why they're so scared of him. >> the right-wing smear machine has gotten alex jonesified this election cycle. jones is the conspiracy theorist and creator of the site info wars. he believes the newtown massacre was a false flag. here's say sampling of his vocal stylings. >> i'm a pioneer.
i'm an explorer. i'm a human. and i'm coming! i'm animated. i'm alive. my heart's big. it's got hot blood going through it fast. i like to fight too! i like to eat! i like to have children! i'm here. >> for the record, i like to eat and have children. this year, jones seen here, wearing a lizard mask has embraced trump fully. there's no way the trump people would have reached out to me a year and a half ago, if he wasn't aware of the work. he's been what you call a closet conspiracy theorist for 50 years. i think he's been a chameleon in the system and now he sees the time to strike. the conspiracy, hillary clinton is harboring a secret medical condition. last week, one alex jones writer posted his suspicions on youtube, wondering if clinton is suffering from a host of issues
including brain damage. evidence supporting his theory, edited slow-mo looped footage, even though the video in its full context shows she was playfully reacting to reporters' questions. but it quickly made it into the talking points of trump surrogates themselves. posting a six month old photo of clinton slipping on stairs, along with references to a blood clot in 2012 and a broken elbow in 2009. donald trump suggesting himself this week in interviews and on the campaign trail that clinton is such a mess that after campaign events she goes home and sleeps. no one has been slogging this conspiracy with as much fervor and devotion as good old sean hannity of fox news. he's been using his skills, voicing his concerns over hillary clinton's health, who anyone who will listen, lead including the experts of the fox
news medical aid team. >> just out of fairness, i don't want to show the video, but i've asked both of you to look at the video, where she seems to -- some have said it's like a mini seizure. you've got this twitching thing she does in front of reporters. there's been a number of reporters. what do you make of this twitching thing. it's a violent repetitive jerking of the head here. you can see, it's uncontrollable. watch the reporter pull back, the reporter got scared. is that video a seizure? maybe? >> what about some of the weird pauses she has, the coughing fits she has? there were moments when i'm literally watching her and i'm thinking, okay, the facial expressions are odd. could that be impacted by a stroke or tia? >> it could. >> is there a possibility she had a mini stroke, a tia? look at this video. watch her reaction. because i'm not -- it almost seems seizure-esque to me. is that -- >> i mean, there are vocal
seizures that sometimes can cause just one body part, but it would be very rare. typically seizures will generalize. so i can't say that's a seizure. that could be stress. >> but are there many seizures like that? >> i'm not a neurologist and i don't think that looks like a seizure. >> what would that be? let's rerack that. >> joi guess you gotta say one thing, but tip your cap to the medical a-team who basically refuses to play ball. i have to say, cable news host, to cable news host, it's rough when you set up a segment and the guests will not play ball with said segment. but at least they were sort of responsible. but this has become a full-fledged obsession, not just for sean hannity, but they are all in on this total conspiracy theory that literally came from info wars. >> first of all, hayes, i'll get you for the segment. it may take years and cost
thousands of lives, but i'll get you for this. no, i think the really frightening thing about this, it's not going to go away after the election. >> no. >> oh, no. it's going to become an industry. and the lord above help mrs. clinton if she, you know, who knows. >> slips. slips like a human being. >> slips on an icy step. yeah, exactly right. is as clumsy as i am at one point or another. yeah, this is, you know, back in the day, when bill clinton was president, we had what james carville called the puke funnel, where these political type scandals would start in some weird european newspaper and get somehow make it across the atlantic on the international idiot cable and get to here, and then it would go on and somehow make it to the newspaper. most of that stuff was actually political. this is just nuts. okay? this is just completely crazy.
and by the way, it's on behalf of a candidate who's already presented us with this very weird note from his doctor, saying he had the greatest blood work in the history of blood work. >> and we should say also, to me, there's two things happening here. one is, if there used to be six degree was separation from alex jones to a party's nominee, there's now one. if there's nothing -- there's no middle man. it goes from alex jones and shows up in donald trump's mouth. the other thing about this, you're getting this glimpse of what the future will bring, which is, if clinton wins and trump loses, there is so much money to be made, eyeballs to be grabbed, in the burgeoning industry that there will be of basically clinton conspiracy theories. >> yeah, and especially if as i think is going to happen and i actually dread this part, if he keeps selling this notion that the only way he loses is because somebody cheated.
which is like running around an ammunition dump with a blowtorch. tonight, i guess he he's telling people in pennsylvania to vote and go to other precincts to make sure nobody cheats. that's opening the door to all kinds of really bad stuff. and that's the stuff that's not going to go away either. sknge >> and that is going to be the obsessive, again, should trends continue, we don't know, a lot can happen in 90 days, but should they continue, that is going to be the singular focus of all these apparatuses from alex jones to the trump campaign and the trump folks about spinning that conspiracy theory particularly. >> well, alex jones is just going to declare the entire election a false flag anyway. so he's covered no matter who wins. >> he's going to do very well in the clinton presidency. >> if trump gets elected, he's going to be secretary of defense. >> that's true. he's got nothing but up side.
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he may have finally dragged down his party's candidates. a visible example, in north carolina. the latest nbc/"wall street journal" marist poll shows hillary clinton with a nine-point advantage over donald trump. richard burr, a man never thought to be in danger of losing his seat, who was ahead by seven points over his democratic challenger last month, is now trailing by two points among registered voters.
you look even further down ballot at north carolina governor pat mcrory who appeared on stage at a trump rally this week, he's down seven points to his democratic challenger, roy cooper. just to remind you, this is north carolina, where after voting for barack obama in 2008, in 2012, they voted for mitt romney, and won the governor's mansion. this year's election may indicate a shift in the other direction. joining me now, north carolina democratic representative. you've had some whiplash down in north carolina. 2008 it was this amazing thing that north carolina would ever go blue. the last five, six years, have been some of the most right-wing governance of any state in the entire country. what's happening down there right now? >> well, we're very encouraged that secretary clinton is doing so well in the polls and the down ballot races. i think trump's divisive ways
have turned off independent voters and women who had supported republicans in the past. so it's looking good up and down the ballot. mcrory has been a controversial governor. unlike some governors elected in off years, like rick scott in florida, he's gotta run in a presidential year. so he's got a tougher road. he is behind the very controversial bill down there, the trans-bathroom bill, amongst other things. he's been behind a lot of voter suppression activities. is that coming back to bite him now? >> it appears to be. he was elected by moderate democrats and independents, and he's steered so far right he's lost that electorate. he's moved much further extreme than the state can tolerate. >> you've had two judicial smackdowns in that state. the federal judge excoriating the state legislature, calling
them basically racist in the decision, and now the redistricting has been tossed out by a federal judge as well. >> that is. and it's the fourth decision that's gone against republican legislative leaders. i think they've eeoverreached a i think they'll pay a penalty. we're getting younger and more diverse and those tend to vote more liberally. so i think the trend is looking good for north carolina to turn blue in november. >> 66% of between ages of 18 and 44, as opposed to 44%. so you're getting a younger crop of people. finally, is burr really in trouble? he was not on anyone's list to be in peril. but that poll has a lot of people asking. >> well, the trend is not in his favor. i served with debra ross in the state house and she's an articulate, strong, candidate,
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president in the history of our country. >> he has been a disaster as a president. he will go down as one of the worst presidents in the history of our country. it is a mess. >> he has done such a lousy job as president. >> just a small sampling there of what donald trump thinks of president obama's record. it's a tricky proposition, because the republican presidential nominee, bashing a democratic president who is currently enjoying the highest ratings of his presidency. take a look at the ratings in battleground states. compared to polling numbers in the same states for hillary clinton and donald trump. trump is trailing clinton everywhere, he's way behind the president. joining me now, senior national correspondent for mtv news. i think, jameel, one of the things that was so weird about the "obama is the founder of
isis" shtick this week, he's picking a fight with a guy who is way more popular than even his opponent and he's also not on the ballot. >> and he's doing so mainly to cater to people who he's already won over. trump needs to find the 270th electoral vote, and he's just trying to lock down the people who he already has, which makes no sense if you're trying to win. >> i was going to say, it makes absolutely no sense if you read the polls and kind of read the research. but it makes sense if trump and like some of his followers, you look out at 15 or 20,000 people at this crowd and think that, how could i be losing? right? i think he thinks that, and some of the people who are most devoted to him think that. they're constantly tweeting these photographs of clinton rallies and trump rallies, and saying, look, it's clearly -- it's like the mutant step child of unskew the polls, as if the
whole election is about who can get a big crowd yelling the loudest. >> they should ask the bernie sanders people. >> exactly. >> but they think bernie sanders really won too. >> but that is part of it. s sam seeder had a great comment. where all that's in front of him is the crowd in the room and getting laughs. but you have this weird, the take-away from the election, in so many ways, has been about this anger. and there's a lot to it. you can look at the economic statistics and recovery and say, there's a lot of people left behind. a lot of people have lost a lot and not gotten back to where they were. yet at the same time, this coalescing as barack obama as popular president as a post partisan figure. these numbers equivalent to reagan. reagan in '88 is at 53%, where
barack obama is right now. it's hard to kind of square those two things. >> but don't you think part of it is just the contrast that barack obama is such a contrast, actually to both candidates. he's the antithesis to donald trump and the reason donald trump is a nominee is because he's the antithesis of barack obama. and hillary clinton, barack obama is eloquent, inspiring, frank, candid, funny. he's sort of everything, even people who support hillary clinton kind of wish she could be. so he's this figure and then you hear republicans kind of saying, well, maybe obama's not as bad as we thought, now that he's on the way out, they can kind of look back fondly at this man they've spent eight years trying to -- >> destroy. >> -- destroy, yeah. >> and for voters, they don't like either one of these candidates. both have sunk down in favorability ratings. >> but we should say, hillary
clinton's favorability has been coming up the last two weeks. >> yes, but i'm saying, there's a lot of people who don't like both candidates. they look at obama and they say, we had it pretty good right now. we're going to miss this guy. >> and i think that's part of what the weird underlying dynamic of the race was that we have that speech that he gave at the convention was the sort of official passing of the torch, right? >> yeah. >> and i don't think he's the reason that the convention bounce happened, but that undoubtedly, there's a rocket pack on her back a bit. because he's popular and he's endorsed her, and that has credibility with a significant portion of the electorate at a time when there's no credibility on the other side. >> also you have to look at the race factor. not just on the trump side where he's consistently berating obama, because he's bought fully in with the birther nonsense, but also on the democratic side. you have an electorate that
wants to protect the gains of the president obama presidency, especially the african american electorate. so what are they going to do? they'll see trump as a threat and make sure they consolidate the support. >> the support is more consolidated than it was even against mitt romney. and this is something we've talked about on the show. you tend to think of a blow-out, it's a blow-out. you lose, you get 95% of the black vote, or 99%, it's all -- but it's like, that actually matters. those 4% are showing up in georgia and south carolina. >> and even more so, the kind of huge margins that she's racking up among college-educated white women. >> particularly. >> the huge margins that she's going to get among hispanics, and so, part of it is that the whole premise of his campaign is that barack obama is an illegitimate president. that's the reason -- >> that's how he launched himself into political conscience.
and he's a foil to barack obama. fundamentally. >> in every single way. >> the character that he plays on the political stage, right. >> on some level, he cannot internalize that there is not a majority for that view. >> that's exactly right. and that's part of what's killing him. because he's put himself as -- and that was part of what made the republican national convention speech so ineffective. the whole idea, this guy is the worst president in history and america is in the worst shape it's been in in history and i'm your saviour, and the majority of americans don't feel that way. thank you for being here tonight. my kids are paying a special visit to the studio, and as a sacred tradition dictates, they've asked for animal videos to be played on the show. my daughter requested a giraffe. and my son david asked for a
cat. so here's a cat playing the piano. ♪ ♪ >> not particularly melodic, but very cute. that's "all in" for this evening. steve kornacki in for rachel maddow. good evening. >> good evening to you, and thanks to you at home for staying with us. rachel is going to be back in this seat on monday night. well, if you are like me, and if you're like me, then god help you, but if you're like me, then you live for election nights, there's something exhilarating, there's something fun, there's something enjoyable about sitting down and watching returns come in from states and from cities and counties and precincts all across the country. you get to sit there, watch the returns come in, you see the patterns that emerge, one candidate strong here, the other candidate cleaning up over there.