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thanks to these two women of the human spirit at its best. that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in"- >>'m fighting all of us across the country are fighting for a peaceful regime change in our own country. >> a shock shake-up on team trump. donald trump officially hires the ban behind breitbart.com to run his campaign, after the republican candidate refuses to pivot. >> i think what he doesn't like is people telling him exactly what to say and how to do it. >> tonight, meet trump's new campaign manager, and his new campaign chief. described as, quote, the most dangerous political operative in america. >> you're fighting to save this country, you're fighting to take this country back. it's not going to be sunshine patriots, it's going to be people who want to fight upon.
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>> plus, how will hillary clinton fight against the new operatives. >> there is no new donald trump. this is it. >> and donald trump's journey to a milwaukee suburb where 95% of the population it white, to talk about the inner cities. >> i'll make sure we deliver safe neighborhoods in milwaukee, and milwaukee has got so many problems. >> "all in" starts right now. >> law and order must be restored. >> good evening from new york, i'm joy reid in for chris hayes. the big media question about donald trump over the last several months has been whether the reality showman would or could stop donald trumping long enough to do a passable imitation of a traditional republican presidential candidate. and there have been brief moments when signs pointed to yes, when he abandoned his off-the-cuff style to deliver staff-written stump speeches that were stiffly read off a teleprompter.
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a clear attempt to calm the nerves of republican leaders and big gop donors. but trump never seemed very happy playing the role of a mainstream candidate, often taking just hours to toss out the script and revert to the only donald trump he knows how to be, the one which he loves to remind us, beat 16 other republicans for the nomination. >> in an interview yesterday, trump threw lots of called water on the idea that he should change anything at all to win general election voters. >> i am who i am. it's me. i don't want to change. everybody talks about you're going to pivot. i don't want to pivot. you have to be you. if you start pivoting, you're not being honest with people. >> today trump effectively remade his campaign to reflect that stance. installing as campaign ceo breitbart executive steven bannon, whose website has repeatedly cheered trump's most aggressive tactics and celebrated the rage and defiance of the far right. >> by the way, i think anger is a good thing. if you're fighting -- this country is in a crisis. if you're fighting to save this
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country, if you're fighting to take this country back, it's not going to be sunshine patriots, it's going to be people who want to fight. >> trump also named kelly ann conway as his new campaign manager, hayling his new campaign chiefs as people who love to win and know how to win. the new hires are widely seen as signaling a demotion for paul manafort, who was brought on to professionalize the campaign five months ago and who seemed to be making an effort to present a more palatable version of trump before the general elect "the post" also reports that the new hire, bannon, has been urging trump for months to not mount a campaign that makes donors comfortable. instead, bannon has been telling him to run as an outsider and unabashed nationalist. buckle up, he said. steve cortez, businessman and surrogate for the trump campaign. buckle up, there's not going to be a traditional campaign. this idea of letting trump go back to free wheeling and freestying and embracing the angry right. who is that designed to add to his support base? to be making an effort to present a more palatable version of trump before the general election. even before attracting attention to himself over his ukrainian business dealings. manafort reportedly clashed with cory lewandowski whose strategy was to let trump be trump. trump's campaign is trying to cast the move in a positive light. with conway saying it reflects an expansion of the operation. >> we feel really good about expanding this team.
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i know some are calling it a shake-up. it really is not. we just need to sort of beef up the senior level roles in a way that we are, you know, dividing and conquering. >> but the move clearly reflects frustration on trump's part with the efforts to restrain, rather than celebrate him just as he is. here he is at trump tower today, participating in a roundtable on terrorism with his pal rudy guiliani and others, but most importantly just being donald trump. he's been deeply unhappy for weeks, an aide said. he's grown to feel boxed and controlled by people who barely know him. "the post" also reports that the new hire, bannon, has been urging trump for months to not mount a campaign that makes donors comfortable. instead, bannon has been telling him to run as an outsider and unabashed nationalist. buckle up, he said. steve cortez, businessman and surrogate for the trump
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campaign. buckle up, there's not going to be a traditional campaign. this idea of letting trump go back to free wheeling and freestying and embracing the angry right. who is that designed to add to his support base? >> well, i would concede, buckle up. absolutely buckle up. this is going to be a great ride. football season is about to start, and we're doing what every great team does, making half adjustments. but when you say the far right, i take issue with that. i think steve bannon is a fantastic hire. what he s he's anti-establishment. not just anti-left. clinton cash which is an incredibly important book and documentary that everyone should see is far better known than the other book of the same time, which is just as critical of jeb bush. so this is not a guy who is partisan only on the republican side. what he is, he's a populist, anti-establishment, anti-cronyism figure and he doesn't like cronyism for the bushes and he doesn't like it
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for the clintons. i think that's going to resonate with the american people, it did in the primaries for donald trump. and i think it will in the general election. i believe this is a major addition to our campaign -- >> let me get the question back in there again. who is this designed to resonate with who is not already a donald trump supporter? in the primary, he was running for republican support. this was not a general election. i want to read you a couple of headlines from breitbart.com, which you've tried to paint as a take on all comers website. phony facist tears, obama cries. birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. and tranies whine about hilarious bruce jenner billboard. and bill cristol, republican spoiler, renegade jew. this is the southern poverty law center, which tracks hate groups, white supremacist movements and the alt-right which is the dressed up in suits version of the neo-nazi and white supremacist movement in the headlines. is breitbart.com becoming a media arm for the alt right? they've under gone a noticeable shift toward embracing ideas on the extremist fringe of the conservative right. racist ideas, anti-muslim and anti-immigrant ideas. so having the guy that runs that website, with headlines about trannies renegade jews, and which is now an arm of the alt-right. and we just discussed what that is. how is embracing the guy who runs that, who is that designed to add to donald trump's support base? >> it's often said that only death and taxes ar ability to real genuine issue that i think birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. and tranies whine about hilarious bruce jenner billboard. and bill cristol, republican spoiler, renegade jew. this is the southern poverty law center, which tracks hate
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groups, white supremacist movements and the alt-right which is the dressed up in suits version of the neo-nazi and white supremacist movement in the headlines. is breitbart.com becoming a media arm for the alt right? they've under gone a noticeable shift toward embracing ideas on the extremist fringe of the conservative right. racist ideas, anti-muslim and anti-immigrant ideas. so having the guy that runs that website, with headlines about trannies renegade jews, and which is now an arm of the alt-right. and we just discussed what that is. how is embracing the guy who runs that, who is that designed to add to donald trump's support base? >> it's often said that only death and taxes are a given -- >> but who is a breitbart.com run campaign designed to appeal
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to who is not already a -- >> every four years, they'll claim the republican nominee is a racist. >> steve, every four -- wait a second, steve. we've not had a candidate for president embrace an entity such as breitbart, which has the headlines -- shall i put them back up for you? that is now who is running the donald trump campaign. who will he add to his support base? >> who we add is anti-establishment people who are sick of washington, d.c. making their lives less safe and less prosperous. >> are you comfortable, steve,
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with being in bed with the alt-right? are you comfortable with that? >> i'm not alt-right. [ all speak at once ] >> are you comfortable with the alt-right being a far of the donald trump campaign? >> i've read the bill cristol article. and you are really mischaracterizing. he did use the phrase renegade jew and i wish he hadn't. but he was talking about if you don't support the republican party to win this nomination, you are effectively anti-israel, that's what he was promoting and explaining that. if you're a jewish american, and yet you're voting for the left, you are usurping israel, because you're helping iran. because this is an administration which sadly has seemed almost more respectful to tehran than it has to tel aviv and to jerusalem and that's really a shame. >> we're running out of time. that's very interesting. what about birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. can you explain that one for us? >> i've never read that article.
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look, it's a very provocative website to be sure. but this is also an important part, just because bannon is the head of a provocative website, doesn't mean that he believes in everything that's on the website. >> then why would he put his name on it? >> but number two, he's going to use the same tactics in a presidential campaign. >> steve, you've said he's not going to use breitbart style tactics in this campaign. then he turns around and he embraces this website. and unfortunately, i would like to say that you had exaggerated the kind of things that that website does, but you did not exaggerate it. this has been one of the most
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distressing, and depressing parts of this campaign, watching the alt-right and all these bizarre conspiracy theories brought into american politics and largely through agencies like breitbart. they are really the alternative reality of the conservative media fever swamps here. and i think this is going to be a real problem. you asked the fundamental question. who does this add? donald trump is hemorrhaging with women, with college educated whites. he's hemorrhaging with minorities. he's hemorrhaging with young
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people. and what does he do? he goes out and hires the head of one of the most extreme, bizarre, conservative media websites. a guy with no political the far, far right, on the alt-right will alienate the party. john harwood was reporting that a top gop strategist told him that the trump campaign shake-up will accelerate a party move to shift resources down-ballot away from donald trump. is that something you see happening? >> you know, originally, there was talk of the rnc pulling the plug entirely on the flailing trump campaign. while i think that's unlikely, i certainly think it's likely that
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the rnc will shift resources into its most competitive senate races and there are increasingly competitive senate races as the democrats look to expand the map. you know, even though republican senate candidates are running about eight to ten points ahead of trump, if donald trump is down ten points in pennsylvania, a competitive candidate like pat toomey can run nine points ahead and still lose that race. that's an increasing concern to the rnc and republicans across the country who want to keep trump at arm's length. >> and charlie, one of the things that you do hear when you talk with some republican strategists, they'll go to 2010 or 2014. they'll look at a scott walker being able to survive the recall effort. but do you have a concern that when you return to a general electorate, a lot of the 2010 seant seats are now up. so democrats who want to take revenge and put a russ feingold back into the senate in a place
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like wisconsin, this is their opportunity, right? >> yeah, it is. and i think the one thing that i think people need to come to grips with, this is not a normal election. none of the normal rules of electoral gravity apply. because donald trump's on the ballot. and he came back and said this is what the liberal media always does, accusing conservatives of being racists. for years, people on the left have routinely cried wolf, accusing conservatives and republicans of being racist all the time. after a while, what happens it's like crying wolf, people began to slough it off, not take it seriously. so having cried wonderful all these years, what do you do when the real thing comes along? what word do you use to describe the white supremacist?
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so i would warn against overusing words like racism, then gives people like the trump surrogate who was on before, the ability to try to slough off the real genuine issue that i think we're confronting right now. which is, we're dealing with real racism in american politics. >> the fear republicans always had was that at some point democrats would be able to land that punch in terms of being able to label the party as being what it has been accused of being and donald trump is certainly opening the door. i wish we had more time. eliana johnson, charlie sykes, thanks to you both. still ahead, the clinton campaign prepares for the new volley of trump attacks. how this already nasty campaign could get even worse following this trump staff shake-up. but first a new look at the trump campaign ceo steve bannon. he's been described as the most
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dangerous political operative in america. >> we came out of the white
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house not only dead broke, but in debt. >> it didn't last long, a foundation was created and money started to roll. speeches, connections and donations. misogynistic regimes, wall street insiders, corrupt dictators, they all have one thing in common, their check cleared. >> that ad got a mostly false rating from politifact, saying it twists a grain of truth to create a misleading picture. to this day, there's no evidence the clintons ever used the clinton foundation to enrich themselves or allowed its work to influence her decisions as secretary of state. nonetheless, that narrative has taken a firm hold among her critics, including donald trump. >> the clinton foundation, you ever see this?
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the clinton foundation, saudi arabia gives $25 million to the clinton foundation. bill and hillary clinton raked in millions of dollars from foreign governments, special interests in exchange for favors. he ran the state department like her personal hedge funds, doing favors for oppressive regimes and many others in exchange for cash. >> nope. those false claims went mainstream with the release last year of the book can the clinton
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cash. by peter schweitzer. later followed by a full length movie of the same name. >> these companies will give money to the clintons even in the form of speaking fees or in the form of donations to the clinton foundation. and the clintons will then, in effect, do their bidding before the halls of power in africa. and they will go to foreign governments and encourage them to do business with individuals who are putting money in their pocket. >> again, no evidence to back up those allegations. but the man behind the clinton cash movie and the book, perhaps most responsible for spreading
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unsubstantiated claims about the clinton dealings is helping the trump campaign as its new ceo. steven bannon, despite never had, it was essentially a critic of republicans in the 1990s and why they failed to stop bill clinton despite impeaching him. bannon's idea was they had gone over the cliff, so to speak. they had propagated these wild and ridiculous conspiracy theories that vince foster murdered himself or what have you. and by doing that, they alienated the mainstream media and moderate swing voters, nobody paid attention to them and they lost. bannon's invite, if you want to call it that was that clinton would actually be better to attack, if you were to focus on facts, on tangible records, and not get into the kind of heavy breathing rumor and conspiracy theory that has marked most of the republican criticism of her to date. and so through this non-profit, the government accountability institute, along with peter schweitzer, they set out to investigate donations to the
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clinton foundation, clinton's speaking fees, and they did turn up a lot of unreported donations. so this wasn't all imaginary as a lot of liberals had claimed. they succeeded in the sense -- bannon's real idea was, if we can turn up facts and hand them to serious investigative reporters in the mainstream media, they will take those facts and write stories about them. we saw examples of that
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happening in "the new york times" about a russian uranium magnate who gave money to the clinton foundation. so that was one way in which they propagated an anti-hillary story line throughout the press. >> how do you square that with bannon now running a website he inherited from breitbart that trafics in the fever swamp that got republicans into trouble in the 1990s? breitbart is known for inventing stories, they've been vicious in terms of stories that truck in areas of race, religious bigotry. that is the fever swamp. so how do you swear that with the idea that he's attempting to mainstream stories with fact patterns that he's able to find? >> well, you don't square it. much like trump, steve bannon is an impulsive guy who gets excited about stories and will run them and will chase after conspiracy theories and propagate those. i think this isn't a disciplined military effort to portray clinton purely as somebody who
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takes money from banks and foreign entities. breitbart has more of a take all comers approach and is kind of a clearing house for this stuff. is also aggressively pro-trump and has been all along, which i think is probably what appealed to trump about bannon and the idea of putting him in charge of his campaign.
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>> i think it's fair to say that
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donald trump has shown us who he is. he can hire and fire anybody he wants from his campaign. they can make him read new words from a teleprompter. but he is still the same man who insults gold-star families, demeans women, mocks people with disabilities and thinks he knows more about isis than our generals. >> that was hillary clinton in cleveland, ohio, earlier. addressing donald trump's campaign shake-up, and also telling the crowd, friends don't let friends vote for donald trump. clinton's campaign manager, robby mook has more forceful words. particularly steve bannon, ceo of the website breitbart, what he called a so-called news site that peddles divisive, at times racist, anti-muslim, anti-semitic conspiracy theories. ahead, we'll dive into the latest bonbon. why is hillary clinton being
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>> the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it, is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president. >> for most of her life on the national stage, hillary clinton has dealt with an endless array of conspiracy theories from the conservative right. the latest one to make the rounds -- the idea that hillary clinton is harboring a secret
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medical condition. the conspiracy theory was bolstered by a highly edited slow motion video that made the rounds in right-wing circles, suggesting clinton is dealing with a medical issue. even the video in his full context shows clinton playfully reacting to reporters' questions. they posted a photo of clinton slipping on stairs. an entire week of segments game courtesy of fox news sean hannity who had been voicing his concerns over hillary clinton's health to anyone who will listen. earlier this week, donald trump himself questioned his opponent's capacity to deal with terrorism. >> she also lacks the mental and physical stamina to take on isis and all of the many adversaries we face. >> and then today, leading the
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drudge report for part of the day, pillows for hillary. linking to a story that took note of l the pillows, saying they're a sure sign that hillary's health is deteriorating. >> last night the clinton campaign once again pushed back at trump and his right-wing allies for peddling conspiracy theories about her health, noting hillary clinton has released a detailed medical record showing her to be in excellent health, plus her personal tax returns since 1977. while trump has failed to disclose even the most basic information disclosed by every candidate for the last 40 years. betsy, you don't have the benefit of being here at the table with eric and myself. this idea now of attempting to cast doubt on hillary clinton's health. i mean, she uses pillows, which is a dead give away that she's at death's door. what do you make of it? where did it come from? >> you know, there's a certain sector of the internet that's very comfortable with sort of buying a
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that got so much traffic from the account of paul joseph watson. a writer for info wars, which is a website that has pushed 9/11 conspiracy theories that cast a wide net as far as what kind of conspiratorial happenings they're willing to entertain. the standard for journalistic integrity is not the highest for them. we live in a media environment where it's easy for people to disperse these stories. that has up sides and down sides. it's easier for people to push back and share information they find. the down side is, sometimes we spend a week talking using a pillow to prop yourself up and whether that's a sign you have a
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terminal illness. >> the media has this desire to normalize the clinton campaign. even just getting us to talk about maybe or whether or even to debunk the idea that hillary clinton has a medical problem, that's still their goal. >> the goal is to get it out there, but it's not getting any traction. you think back to 2004, afc continue serious organized smear campaign, that was false. but it did serious damage. it was on the front page of the newspapers. that was an example of a right-wing media sort of campaign that paid off. this stuff is a joke. it's never going to win the day or anything else. it's just sort of this nonsense. you know, if there's any person who is not going to lose five minutes of sleep worrying about this, it's hillary clinton.
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who's been in the arena for 20 years. faced every serious, sort of serious and nonsense cal right-wing conspiracy theory the right-wing has been able to cook up. the difference now, they are going so far to the right from
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the people who really deal from the bottom of the deck, that is going to reflect worse on republicans than on her, i think. >> and to that point, kelly ann conway talking about what the strategy is for the rebooted trump campaign. listen to what she said this morning. >> -- across the net and you keep lobbing at her.
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you don't pick a fight with the ref, don't boo the crowd. >> meaning not lob tennis balls at the media, but just keep hitting hillary clinton with various things to see if she responds. in your view, will the clinton campaign want to respond to each and every tennis ball lobbed at them?
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still to come, we'll have the latest on the devastating flooding in louisiana. later, does donald trump have any hope of winning over african american voters? a look at his appeal and the very visible misstep by the campaign, coming up.
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sthmpt our first question comes from a long time new yorker, she's worked in publishing and her name is elaine bennis. [ cheers and applause ] >> hi there. yeah, i have two questions. my first is for senator sanders. >> i couldn't hear the question. >> yeah, i didn't ask it yet, bernie. >> so, listen, you've been pretty vague in the past, but how exactly are you gonna break up the big banks? >> you mean a big bank break-up? >> yeah, a big bank break-up. >> you break them up! >> thing 1 tonight, that was "seinfeld" creator larry david and julia louie dreyfus on "snl," but that hasn't been the only injection of "seinfeld" in this campaign cycle. >> donald addressed immigration, he addressed trade, he addressed
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all the things. no substance whatsoever. but he said to people who were concerned about themselves, i can fix it. donald trump is gonna run the "seinfeld" campaign. it's going to be the campaign about nothing. >> a "seinfeld" campaign. what cuban could never have imagined is that the man trump would hire to run his campaign is bank rolled by that very same comedy series. that's thing 2 in 60 seconds.
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now whether or not you agree with mark cuban, that trump is running a "seinfeld" campaign, a campaign based on nothing. the man trump just tapped to head his campaign, breitbart's stephen bannon, has made a lot of money off "seinfeld." while bannon was working as an investment banker in the early '90s, he helped negotiate the sale of castle rock entertainment, accepting shares in a few new shows, including "seinfeld."
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reporting that it's helped keep bannon rich and have funded parts of his operations. how do "seinfeld" writers feel now that their show has helped fuel breitbart? one got back with this text. jesus. no comment.
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>> the governor of louisiana has called the flooding there unprecedented and historical after 48 hours of rain dumped more than 20 inches on parts of the state. 20 parishes are declared federal disaster areas. the red cross is calling it the country's worst national disaster since hurricane sandy. and there are still flood warnings in effect. so far there have been 13 deaths. 40,000 homes affected. 30,000 residents rescued from homes in vehicles.
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and 70,000 people have registered for fema assistance. the secretary of homeland security jay johnson is heading to louisiana tomorrow to meet with officials. i'm joined from crawley, louisiana, with gabe gutierrez. what's the latest that's going on there? >> reporter: hi there, joy. you mentioned the waters are receding in the baton rouge area. that's true. but further south, this is acadia, plenty of water here. we were in a town we had to leave earlier, because there was a possibility we could have gotten stuck.
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the water was still rising there. all this water is flowing downstream and affecting many southern parishes. but in livingston parish, more than 31 inches of rain fell in some parts. we spoke with some of the people up there that are now assessing the damage at this point and telling some heart breaking stories of loss. here's what one of them to say. >> i had a deck in the back. i have no idea where it's at. it's a 16 by 16 deck. we have one picture of it floating off, with our swing, the flower pots and everything on it. and we have a statue of the virgin mary still standing there. we'll get through it. it is what it is. start over. >> so, joy, as you can see, there's plenty of water still behind me here in this area. 80 miles south of baton rouge, the water isn't expected to clear out of this state for another several days. a river is expected to crest in this area as well tomorrow afternoon and that's when we can see some of this water begin to come down. but again, this is just devastating for so many people in this state. many of them say they never expected this, especially so long after hurricane katrina. now some people that had moved further north to baton rouge, they feel like the memories of katrina come flooding back and
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this is devastating. the governor calling it unprecedented and historic flooding. joy? >> gabe, thanks so much for your (lock clicks)
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white crowd, while asking african americans to get on the trump train. >> i'm asking for the vote of every african american citizen, struggling in our country today, who wants a different and much better future. it's time for our society to address some honest and very, very difficult truths. the democratic party has failed and betrayed the african american community. the democratic party has taken the votes of african americans for granted. they just assume they'll get your support and done nothing in return for it. >> and joining me now, congressman hakeem jeffries, democratic representative from new york and april ryan, white house correspondent and
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washington bureau chief. thank you both for being here. i'll start with you, congressman jeffries. one of trump's besties and rudy guiliani who had this to say on fox and friends this morning. talked about how brave it was for donald trump to go and make that speech last night. take a listen. >> consider how dangerous that was. going into milwaukee in the middle of the riots and talking about law and order, but also talking about what needs to be not in milwaukee, he was several miles away, 40 miles away in an almost all white audience,
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talking about african americans, not talking to african americans. but clearly, donald trump is operating from the 1968 richard nixon playbook, southern strategy, trying to appeal to the fears and the worst of some of those in society in terms of the effort and path way that he seeks towards 1600 pennsylvania area. it's not going to work. 1968 was a very different time in america, a very different electorate. and at the end of the day, i think african americans know a racial arsonist when we see one. donald trump fits the bill. and associating himself with people like rudy guiliani is not going to make the situation better, it's going to make it worse. >> in addition to associating with a mayor who is best known for unleashing plain-clothesed police officers on the black community when he was mayor, you also have donald trump's only history, which includes birtherism, the lawsuit for discrimination in housing, the central park five, wanting the
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death penalty reinstated, et cetera, et cetera. so when somebody with that kind of record is talking about winning the african american vote or talking about the democratic party taking black votes for granted. as somebody who's covered campaigns for so long, who is he talking to? >> you know who he's talking to. he's trying to talk to america with his base behind him to give him some wind beneath his wings. primarily he's talking to the leaders of the rnc, reince preeb us and sean spicer had been trying to make a dent in the black vote for a long time. they've been trying for the last couple of election cycles. they've been doing the charts and they understand for another republican presidential candidate to become president of the united states, they need the black vote. and i guess this was donald trump's attempt to appease the rnc, who's really been fighting for this. it appeased the rnc, but i'm not sure, i haven't heard the ground swell yet.
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i've seen cringes and people turning their heads more so, when it comes to this, from people in the african american community. >> and there's a long history of candidates using discussion about the black vote to pivot to white suburban voters, make them more comfortable with the campaign. donald trump right now, according to the newest poll is at 1% with african americans. he's not in a good place with his -- the african american vote. is talking about african american issues a smart strategy to try to appeal to white suburban voters? >> that's not clear to me. first of all, he's defying the rules of math as it relates to the 1% in the african american community. it's not clear he'll be able to build on it with the antics he pulled in wisconsin. talking about issues like over-policing will be good for the black community in ways that are clearly divorced from
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reality in terms of our own experience in new york city, where we've seen both a dramatic decline and stop and frisk and a dramatic decline in crime at the some point in time. it's not going to work in suburban america, and not going to work with black folks. he's run away from invitations from the naacp. and other organizations but he's chosen to duck that. >> the black outreach director of the campaign, saying people who don't believe in donald trump will have to bow down. what do you make of that, really quickly? >> i know omarosa, i've known her since the clinton years. unfortunate comment. very unfortunate. bow down leads you down the road of an old ugly past. these are not good words at all. >> sorry we are out of time.
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thanks so much both of you. that is "all in" for this can c at 11:00 p.m. eastern time. so stay up for that. in the meantime, the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening. >> joy reid, burning the candle at both ends joyfully. >> yes. >> well done, my friend. see you later. and thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. we have a big show tonight. hillary clinton's campaign manager is here tonight. we've got lots to ask him about, including the donald trump campaign hiring a campaign manager of their own. the new person, who is apparently going to be in charge of the trump campaign is a, i think, widely seen as a very unusual choice for the job. it frankly has a lot of people freaking out today. we'll talk with robby mook about that and we have more than 100,000 americans in two states

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