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is, quote, to be determined. >> what he supports is to make sure we enforce the law, that we are respectful of those americans who are looking for well-paying jobs, and that we are fair and humane for those who live among us in this country. so as the weeks unfold, he will lay out the specifics of that plan that he would implement as president of the united states. >> kellyanne conway. his most significant policy shift. our political team here this morning, with all of the bases covered. we start with hallie jackson, just outside trump tower in new york. all right. do what you do so often for us. fact from fiction here separated. what's the real deal, what's the story? >> reporter: real deal, we separate fact from fiction. let's separate what donald trump himself is saying from what members of his team are saying. his new campaign manager, seeming to maybe open the door that there could be some softening of his stance on this
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proposal to put together a so-called deportation force for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the united states. kellyanne conway saying that is to be determined. donald trump insisting he's not flip-flopping his original immigration policy. here's what trump had to say this morning. listen. >> we're dealing with people, we have to be very firm, we have to be very, very strong when people come in illegally. i'm not flip-flopping. we have to come up with a fair but firm answer. we have to be firm. but we want to come up with something fair. >> reporter: that's it. here's what we have seen donald trump do in the past on some of his more controversial positions. ba walk the line, yet still managing to modify through his surrogates and through his advisers. i'm thinking, of course, of the temporary proposed muslim plan that was a cornerstone of his
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campaign when he talked in december. but over the months since he became the presumptive gop nominee, you have seen his campaign shifted to talking about those coming in from so-called terror nations, as they put it. so in this instance, let's see over these next four days if trump continues to walk the line when it comes to his position. again, something he has built his campaign on since last summer. >> let's talk about the debates here for a quick second. the first presidential debate five weeks from today. what do we know about how mr. trump is prepared or if he has started preparing at all. >> reporter: well, they have definitely started talking about it. i'm told by his campaign manager this morning, they had strategy discussions yesterday about it, that the debate came up, there was talk about the debate, of course. but i'm told that formal classic debate prep, and sort of the traditional sense, doesn't really, in their view, apply to donald trump, at least not at this point, craig. >> hallie jackson on a very windy street here in new york
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city. hallie, thanks as always. host of the hugh hewitt show, always good to see you. thank you for being with me. we heard from kellyanne conway. i want to play for our viewers and listeners something that donald trump said right here on "morning joe" last year. take a listen. >> you're going to have a massive deportation force? >> we're going to have a depore facial force and you're going to do it humanely. if they came from a certain country, they're going to be brought to that country. that's the way it's supposed to be. they can come back, but they have to come back legally. they can come back, but they have to come back legally. >> all right. so how do we go from a deportation force to fair but firm to yesterday a plan to be determined. >> well, the touchback provisions have always been somewhat ambiguous, craig, so no one has ever quite understood how that was going to work. of course, it requires congressional legislation, as
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well. he is not as all shifted on the fence, the fence the centerpiece of his program. the other thing he did this morning on his facebook page, which i think is strategic on his part, redirect his attention to the clinton foundation which dominated most of the sunday shows yesterday. although the games gilbert chagoury did not come up much. 65 criminal counts he and gilbert very deeply connected in their switzerland and oil dealings, schagoury giving millions to the clinton foundation and in august connecting chagoury to doug band, the clinton person to the clinton foundation. trump is redirecting attention away from the touchback controversy to the getting in touch with the clinton state department controversy. that's a good maneuver. >> i want to talk more about that in a second. again, i know you spent a lot of time talking about this on your radio program, as well. but going back to this, what
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appears to be a flip-flop here. is this the kind of move that's going to attract voters who are perhaps weary of trump's hard line, no compromise stances or alien ate trump supporters now think he's not as tough as he has been projecting on immigration? >> i don't think it's a flip-flop. he has flip-flopped on some things. he told me he would release his tax returns, he's not going to release his tax returns. that's a flip-flop. on the other hand, his discussing of immigration policy and what a touchback program looks like has always been ambiguous. he's not ambiguous about the fence. or what he calls the wall, i call it the fence. he's going build it, it's going to be big, mexico is going to pay for it. that's in black and white. >> you know that's not happening. >> oh, i disagree. i actually think that it was authorized once, 900 miles of fencing. i think it will come back and it will be longer. i think it will be double-sided. any congress that wants to do comprehensive immigration reform will now recognize that fencing over at least half of the
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2,000-mile border is an essential, nonnegotiable element of immigration reform. what trump is saying now is the eelaboration of what this touchback means. if every illegal immigrant is told, you have to register and come back, that's not a punitive system and in keeping what the majority republican position is. i'm one of those people. i don't care if all 11 million except those convicted of crime or involved in gang activity stay in the united states. that's the majority of republican position. but trump is not flip-flopping so much as he is elaborating. on the tax returns, he flip-flopped. getting specific about the immigration, you know, that will be a long bill that will take a lot of paragraphs to fill out. but i don't think it's a flip-flop. >> really quickly, i want to ask you about the report in the "times" this morning claiming trump is woefully behind, not just on fund raising, but get sou out the vote, no paid staff in southeast ohio, which includes
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hamilton county. is it common knowledge he is -- he's conceding the so-called ground game to the clinton campaign? >> i don't know if he's conceding. politico has a story this morning about the registration bulge for republicans. over democrats in battleground states. and in my home state of ohio, a million -- nearly 950,000 people reregistered. >> but he's got to get them out to the polls. >> all you have to do is make sure they show up. back to the ohio primary, craig, when almost 1 million people left either the independent designation or democratic restoration so they could vote for trump. you don't need a ground game when itself is materializing. i think ohio is locked down. rob portman is seven, eight, nine points ahead. florida is hard, north carolina, hard, virginia is lost. but not ohio. so i'm not actually worried about ground game. he is running a very different campaign than what we're used
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to. his metrics are different. i would direct you to that politico story this morning on registration favoring trump right now. so a degree, we have never seen before the old rules don't apply. and i do want to go back and say, when i start seeing a google search of chagoury and rich showing up in the mainstream media, i'll realize that trump's campaign is working to get the clinton foundation front and center. that seems to be where they're going the next two weeks. >> look at hugh hewitt taking us to our next segment. thank you for joining us from california this morning. democrats wasting no time, characterizing the immigration move by donald trump. hillary clinton out with a new ad this morning, labelling her republican rival erratic and unpredictable. >> in times of crisis, america depends on steady leadership. >> knock the crap out of him, would you? seriously. >> clear thinking. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> and calm judgment. >> and you can tell them to go
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[ bleep ] themselves. >> because all it takes is one wrong move. >> kristen welker covers the clinton campaign for us. what is the campaign making of this hugh huit insists it's not a flip-flop but folks are saying, this is, in fact, quite the significant flip-flop. >> reporter: well, and they're not giving him an inch, craig. they're essentially pointing voters back to what donald trump has said in the past, that he plans to deport 11 million undocumented folks who are here credib currently. let had he read from the clinton campaign. we believe the rnc official, a reference to the meeting he had with his hispanic advisory council and the candidate himself that donald trump's immigration plan remains the same as it's always been. tear apart families and deport 16 million people from the united states. one need look no further for confirmation than donald trump's own words and the tv ad released
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on friday that's being lauded by white supremacists. so, craig, this underscores the strategy. on the part of the clinton campaign where they try to pin donald trump down on his previous comments by releasing ads and also, of course, on the campaign trail. secretary clinton currently fund-raising this week. but when she gets back on -- on the campaign trail, you can expect her to hit him on this, as well, craig. >> i want to ask about the foundation here quickly. again, as you know, it was announced this morning that the campaign has said they will not be taking any foreign donations if and when hillary clinton is elected president of the united states. this morning you had donald trump calling for the foundation itself to be shut down. this has become a major talking point on the right. not just on the right. there have been some democrats who have questioned the relationship between the foundation and the secretary of state, hillary clinton, at the time. what's the campaign saying about that? >> reporter: well, look, they are underscoring the fact that they are making this
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announcement that if secretary clinton is, in fact, elected, that the foundation will no longer accept foreign donations, donations from large corporations. and they say the reason why it's not happening right now is because the foundation is still doing really important work, particularly when it comes to hiv/aids and various parts of the world. however, it is clear that they're bending to the pressure, and to the bad optics, really, that the foundation has created, and the political problems and you have republicans and as you point out, craig, some democrats who say, look, this is too little, too late. they should have stopped taking foreign donations a while ago to get rid of all of these murky questions that continue to surround the foundation and the campaign, craig. >> kristen welker from the white house. thanks, as always. we are following breaking news in milwaukee, wisconsin, this morning. moments ago, we heard from the state attorney general there about that deadly police-involved shooting that sparked two days of violent unrest just over a week ago. let's get to the latest on the investigation from nbc's blake mccoy who joins us from milwaukee.
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blake, good morning to you. the big question, a lot of folks had this morning, are they going to release the police body cam video we know exists? >> reporter: craig, good morning. the big answer for you this morning is that that video is not being released at this time. that news coming from the attorney general. this video is so important, because immediately after the shooting, the mayor came out and said the video shows seville smith not complying to put the gun down. an autopsy showed he was shot twice, once in the arm and once in the chest. days of protest here in milwaukee ensued. the attorney general just moments ago outlined his decision not to release that video yet. take a listen. >> the body camera video is just one piece of information among many sources of information. they give only a narrow and incomplete glimpse of the overall picture. i can tell you now, viewing the
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body camera videos will not answer all of your questions. your questions will be better answered when the videos are viewed in the context of all of the information that is gathered in the investigation. >> reporter: the attorney general said releasing that video now would be a short-term gain, but he needs to think long-term if charges are brought against this officer. he wants to make sure the investigation is intact and that potential witness statements aren't altered, because people have seen the video through the media. we should point out, craig, the officer in this case was also black. >> all quiet there in milwaukee, for the most part, over the weekend? >> reporter: it has been. this was a quiet weekend. we did see protests last weekend for several days, but those protests have calmed here much to the gratefulness of the city. >> blake mccoy for us, milwaukee, wisconsin. thank you. the 2016 rio summer olympics ended just as they started. fireworks and fanfare.
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sunday night's closing ceremony marked the end of 17 days of competition by 11,000 of the world's finest athletes. the u.s. medal hall, nothing short of record-breaking. 121 medals overall, 46 of them were gold. and team usa's little giant snagged five of those medals. so it wasn't much of a surprise that simone biles was the one proudly carrying the u.s. flag at that ceremony. also sunday, team usa basketball capping off america's dominant run with the 96-66 score over serbia, bringing home its third gold medal. meanwhile, new fallout from ryan lochte and an olympic committee now formed to investigate that now recanted robbery story. they're looking at the possibility of more sanctions, including possibly some additional charges. lochte's image has also been removed from olympic clothing
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a warning today that zika could spread to other states in the south after new cases surface in miami beach. i'm joined now by dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. dr. fauci, i would say it's always good to see you, but typically when we have you on,
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it's not a good story to talk about. the past 24 hours, you have said we could see new mosquito-spread zika cases outside florida. where and why? >> well, the reason we can say that, we don't know for sure, obviously, what will happen. but i would not be surprised if we did see the kinds of either single individual local cases as well as perhaps small clusters as we have seen in florida along other states in the gulf coast. because of a variety of reasons. the condition there, the semi tropical weather conditions, the density of mosquitoes, the fact that there are travel-related cases, namely people who have been infected elsewhere who come to the united states, and then they get bitten by mosquitoes, which can then bite others who have never left the continental united states. and that's exactly what we're seeing in florida, particularly in the two areas of wynwood and miami beach. so i was saying and i continue
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to say, and we all feel, that we hope it doesn't happen, but we would not be surprised if we see additional cases, particularly along the gulf coast states. >> and it sounds like you're also saying particularly in florida as well, in addition to these two zones we already have some additional zones, as well? >> yes, i think so. you see florida has a situation where they have just short of approximately 500 travel-related cases. they have a clear-cut situation with mosquitoes that's a problem. you put those two things together, and it's not surprising that you see what we are seeing right now. hopefully, that will be able to be contained. the centers for disease control and prevention and the health authorities in florida are collaborating and working together to try to get the mosquito density down to the point that you could interrupt this kind of chain of transmission. we hope that will be successful. i think we can. we need the resources to go in
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there and be very aggressive in controlling mosquitoes. >> should we be preparing for a widespread zeke outbreak? >> you know, i don't think that that's going to happen. first of all, you have to be prepared for anything. but if you look at the continental united states as a unit, the entire country, it's extremely unlikely that we will see a diffuse disseminated outbreak the which brazil has seen and the way puerto rico is now currently seeing. that would be very unlikely. what we more likely would see is a bit more of what we are currently seeing in florida. local individual and small clauseters of cases. >> the white house and congress, as you know v been squabbling over zika funding. how vital is additional money in your efforts to fight this virus? >> it's absolutely critical. you know, in february of this year, the president asked for $1.9 billion for a variety of
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efforts, including a major effort by the cdc, the nih, our group here, particularly in the development of a vaccine. we have reached the point right now where we essentially run out of money that we have taken from other is sources. we have taken it from different accounts. if we don't get the money soon, there is going to be a significant impediment in our doing the kind of job we feel we need to do. >> where are we on the vaccine, really quickly, dr. fauci? >> things are moving along very well. we started the initial safety trial in august 2nd, it's moving along well. we hope to be in a broader trial to see if it works in 2017. we will not know until the beginning or middle of 2018. so right now skeet contr mosqui control is the answer. the long-range solution is a vaccine. >> dr. anthony fauci, nih. please keep us up to date, sir.
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kerry sanders also following the story closely for us. he joins me now from miami beach. kerry, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, craig. we're inside what they now call the zeke zone. this is the second zika zone on miami beach. you notice a podium behind me, we're expecting congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz to join us. and among the questions we'll be asking is what we heard dr. fauci talk about, and that is one about funding. as you know, dr. fauci told us it was february when the president requested $1.9 billion for this effort. it wasn't until recently that the urgency was really quite apparent. although the medical professionals, the infectious disease experts, have been telling us it was a matter of inevitab inevitably. they said at the time, likely florida or texas, now we have seen it in florida. we know they're testing in texas. we know that now there's concern
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in louisiana with the floods, and so there is an urgency about getting the funding. right now some of the funding is being handled for the lack of a better word, robbing peter to pay paul. they're taking money out of ebola funding to work on zika. in this community, the greatest concern, of course, is pregnant women all waiting to find out whether there is going to be an effective effort to eliminate the mosquitoes that are in this area at about six miles from here in a neighborhood called wynwood to eliminate the mosquitoes that appear to be carrying the zika virus. craig? >> all right, kerry sanders for us again, inside one of the zika zones. we're going to keep a close eye on this news conference set to start there, kerry. thanks as always. kerry mentioned louisiana. dr. fauci mentioned louisiana, the devastation there, far from over, as recovery efforts get under way following that historic flooding. we'll tell you precisely how many people have registered for federal help and just how long
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and it's not just this house. if we take a look down the street, it's house after house after house. we spoke with one resident, her name is mona welsh, and she allowed us inside her of her house and she told me 80% of her house were destroyed, the floodwaters 2 feet high, and they are ripping out sheet wall. they are trying to rebuild, as many people here are. craig? >> how are folks there doing? i know that seems like perhaps a trite question, but looking at the images, you've got to think that folks are having a difficult time coping. >> reporter: surprisingly, people have great attitudes, the woman i was referring to, mona welsh, she said i'm thankful. it could be worse. she lost 80% of her possessions and her home. and she's telling me that it could be worse. i think people here, they're just trying to be positive and move forward. that's the biggest thing now.
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moving forward. >> amen. to that. tammy leitner on duty in baton rouge, louisiana. thank you. richard weber director of homeland security in louisiana. thank you for taking time out of what i know is a very busy day. we just saw the images there in that particular neighborhood. 20 parishes have been declared a disaster area. i believe some 22 parishes were affected by the flooding. where are we now in terms of cleanup? where are we now in terms of recovery? >> craig, we appreciate you having us on, trying to get this information out to the public is absolutely critical. our parish, two river systems that impact us. in terms of recovery, we are out of the response phase and moving into the recovery phase now. we still have about 350 people in our short-term sheltering. we're looking at long-term housing issues and coordinating
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with fema now. again, the response phase is complete and into the recovery phase. debris removal is a key aspect now. setting up a drop-off point for debris. contractors, and trying to get the debris hauled from the sites to the handful as quickly as we can. we had a texas task force that came in and did a secondary urban search and rescue, and firefighters. everybody is accounted for. >> one of the things i've heard from a lot of folks is, you know what, why didn't these people have flood insurance? shouldn't they have flood insurance in louisiana? you correct me if i am wrong, but a lot of these communities where we have seen this flooding, these aren't neighborhoods that have historically been prone to flooding, is that right? >> it's right. and it exceeded historic levels of flooding. and i'll give an example.
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the previous historic level was 14.5 feet and it went over 17 this time. so mother nature took over, and it took the normal course that it wanted to take and exceeded any of the flood control infrastructure we had in the parish. so people received flooding in our jurisdiction that never received flooding before. and we're one of the fastest-growing county level governments and residential areas in the country. so we had quite a bit of development in areas that when we received that historic level of flooding just never received flooding before. >> president obama coming tomorrow. what do you want to hear from him? >> well, i mean, we appreciate the fact that he sent secretary of homeland security, jeh johnson, to us last week. he toured our shelters, he toured our animal control areas, he toured some of the impact areas. really concerned, and subdued guy. but he asks some poignant questions that needed to be answered. and the fact that the president is coming tomorrow, we appreciate it. that shows leadership, and i know he's engaged. i know he sent some of his
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cabinet members down to assess the situation, and we do appreciate that. >> richard weber, homeland security in ascension parish. our thoughts and prayers are still with the people of louisiana. >> craig, thank you. we appreciate it. some new information this morning about the victims of saturday's deadly bombing in turkey. today turkish officials say at least 22 of the more than 50 killed on a suicide bomber attacked a wedding were children. no group has taken responsibility, but turkey's president says isis is, quote, the most likely perpetrator, and the bomber, a child. between 12 and 14 years old. vice president joe biden is set to visit turkey later this week. an emotional ryan lochte taking full responsibility for the scandal that rocked the rio olympics. we have that exclusive face-to-face with matt lauer, next. ♪
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more sanctions or charges may be coming against ryan lochte and the three swimmers -- the three of his swimming teammates. the olympic swimmer, of course, admitting embellishing the story about the armed robbery in rio. lochte accepted responsibility for the ordeal in an exclusive interview with today's matt lauer. >> what i'm trying to get at, the first version of the story you told, ryan, was much more about the mean streets of rio. >> yeah. >> and the version we're hearing now is much more about a negotiated settlement to cover up some dumb behavior. >> and that's why i'm taking full responsibility for it. is because i overexaggerated that story, and if i had never done that, we wouldn't be in this mess. >> when you saw the news coverage of gunnar and jack being taken off the plane at the airport and -- and you knew, and you said to me, they didn't damage anything in that gas station. >> yeah. >> you're sitting at home in the
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united states safe and sound. how did it make you feel? >> hurt. i mean, i -- i let my team down. and, you know, i wanted to be there. like, i don't want them to think that i left, and left them dry. because, i mean, they're my teammates. i wanted to definitely be there. and i wanted to help out in any way i could. so i just wanted to make sure that they were home safe before i came out and talked. and, you know, i'm just really sorry about -- i'm embarrassed. for myself, my family, especially those guys, the usa swim meet. the whole olympic games. everyone watching. it's just -- i was i am
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immature and i made a stupid mistake. i'm human and i made a mistake and i'm sorry for this. >> matt lauer. breaking news we have been following, zika in florida. just a few moments ago, congresswoman, debbie wasserman schultz representing south florida, talking about the zika virus. she is still speaking at the podium. let's listen in. >> the first day of school. we all want our kids to be able to play outside and fully enjoy their lives, but this crisis is turning that prospect into a daily nightmare. hand-wringing every single day. is my child protected? are they wearing enough protective clothing. do they have bug repellant on. that is happening all over our state. and make no mistake, this will and already is affecting people's travel plans to south florida. i personally know two young pregnant women whose doctors up north told them to avoid coming to south florida. because of the vulnerability. and we know that that will continue. the federal government is doing all it can now to respond to this virus with the resource that is it has.
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but right now those resources are simply inadequate. president obama requested $1.9 billion in emergency funding, nearly six months ago. and the administration's public health officials from the centers for disease control and the national institutes of health repeatedly briefed congress on why this emergency funding was needed and how it would be spent. those agencies are working hard to contain and stop the virus transmission and researching a vaccine. neurological, congressional republicans have repeatedly refused to take action to address this crisis. they refused to fully fund the emergency request and their alternative was simply to use money set aside for the ebola crisis and rob peter to pay paul in order to stick a finger in the dike and hopefully hold back the crisis. they have repeatedly voted down measures supporting the emergency funding, including my bill that i introduced with rosa
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delauro and they have continu s continuously defeated amendments in every appropriations bill that we introduced that would address this crisis with that funding. their delays and obstruction have gone far past any concerns. they have gone so far as to block any funds from going to family planning services. for a virus that affects pregnant women. and perhaps most egregiously, their decision to send congress home for the longest summer recess in 50 years means they are actively hurting our nation's response to this crisis. and we have repeatedly called for congress to end this session and come back to congress, come back to washington, and do the right thing and appropriate these fund now. but they have steadfastly refused to do so, ignore the problem, keeping their fingers crossed, squeeze their eyes shut and hope it goes away as it gets worse on multiple fronts. their refusal to provide additional funding is endangering now our government's ability to develop a vaccine.
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the funding for vaccine research was slated to run out at the end of september. two weeks ago, i let a letter of democrats to help sylvia burrow out to urge her, because there is no other choice to move from other projects into zika vaccine research. i typically would not urge hhs to do that, but congressional republicans left us without no choice. vaccine research needs sustained -- >> florida congresswoman, debbie wasserman schultz there, who represents one of the so-called zika hot zones there, two areas in south florida, where officials have said the zika virus exists now. federal health officials urging pregnant women to stay away from this part of south florida. congresswoman wasserman-schultz calling on her colleagues to fund the fight. some $1.9 billion requested by the white house, roughlily six months ago. congresswoman wasserman-schultz saying, quote, we hate to say we
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donald trump says the charitable foundation started by bill and hillary clinton should be shut edina immediately. the clinton foundation is, quote, the most corrupt enterprise in political history. called for the shutdown this morning. meanwhile, sunday the clinton campaign said the foundation will no longer accept foreign foundations, should she be elected president. have have accused her of showing favoritism while she was secretary of state. that is something the campaign has adamantly denied.
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the state department says there is no evidence of a pay for play scheme, and always good to see you, ann. thanks for being with me. >> happy to do it. >> do we know why the campaign decided to make this announcement now? >> well, actually, the campaign has been looking for some months now at what would happen to the foundation. actually, not really the campaign. the foundation itself was examining what it would need to do in light of hillary clinton's campaign. and what would happen if she won. so the announcement last week by bill clinton was the result of months of study by the foundation itself into essentially what its own future would be. not unexpected, the timing is interesting. but actually the fact that the foundation would have to at some point announce what kind of firewalls and what kind of rules
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it would follow, assuming it remains open, were she to win. >> the timing quite curious if there were these conflicts or these conflicts of interest, real or perceived, or even bad optics, why didn't the clintons stop the foreign donations while she was secretary of state? >> that was a question at the time. were there sufficient fire walls in place between her as secretary of state and the foundation. and certainly the idea that she might run for president again was -- wasn't very far out of bounds. one wonders from this vantage now why they didn't sort of take the most prudent course and say at the time that there would be absolutely no foreign or corporate donations. however, that would have undermined the structure of the foundation as it had been set up some years before.
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some of my colleagues here at the "washington post" did analysis of what would happen to the donations to the foundation, were the rules that bill clinton outlined the other day put in place. and we found that more than half of the major donations would no longer be available. that's a big part of the foundation's bottom line. >> anne gearan, "washington post." thank you for your time. >> thank you. could donald trump's "what do you have to lose" appeal actually gain traction with black voters? we'll look at that right after this. of as you can see, i build the jet engines, and programmers teach them to talk. so yeah, ge is digital and industrial. so it's indigital. digidustrial. indigenous. shhhh... let's go with digital industrial. for now. digidustrial.
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trying something new like trump. you are living in poverty. your schools are no good. you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? >> donald trump over the weekend there in michigan. reaching out to black voters. i'm joined now by nationally syndicated radio host, richard fowl fowler. >> good to see you. >> good to see you as well, sir. of let me start by getting your general reaction to that outreach in michigan. >> well, i feel as though donald trump was talking down to the african-american voter. to be honest, i think he was talking down to all americans with that rhetoric. here's the thing. african-americans are one of the most aspirational groups in this country. they see the gss half full. and when you speak to them and say you're poor, your schools suck, nothing really works for you. that's not true. one, not all african-americans are poor. two, a lot of african-americans
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are employed. only 8.4 or 5% are actually unemployed. and i don't know beyond that, you talk less about poverty and more about how you solve poverty. how could you make sure we preserve the universities. how do you make sure the black middle class exists into the next generation. those are questions donald trump needs to address if he wants to get the african-american vote. and that speech he gave there fell short. >> a friend of mine who will remain nameless after seeing that suggested that perhaps mr. trump had been watching too much of "the wire" and maybe that's how his view of african-american voters had been formed. i do want to ask you about some polling, though. as you know, he is polling in the single digits with black voters specifically in key swing states. 1% in ohio, 1% in pennsylvania as you see there, 9% north carolina, doing a little better there and better in virginia. how likely is it that he could win over some of these disaffected voters, especially
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if he stays on message in the remaining 72 days of the campaign? >> well, it's going to be really hard for donald trump to pull off getting more than 1 or 2% of the african-american vote. if you look at history of polling, the candidate who did best among african-american voters was george bush. 6 or 7% in 2004. now, what donald trump, the good news here is, democrats are going to try to turn out african-american voters, going to their normal turnout machines, and sadly, this time around barack obama is not on the ballot. so that's the benefit for donald trump. what his campaign has got to do immediately, craig, one is hire some real african-americans minus omarosa -- not omarosa, to really think about how they talk to african-americans, and also he has to do some work inside of his party. what we have seen from the republican party over and over again, whether it be the demagoguery towards michelle obama, demagoguery towards president barack obama, how to
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talk to black folks. stop with the monolithic voting block. they care about criminal justice reform but also care about the economy, care about jobs, care about stofling the student loan debt crisis. >> it was odd to me if you're going to make a speech about black people, make it in a community where there are a lot of black people. >> absolutely. >> and he decided -- it was just -- it was odd. richard fowler -- >> he could at least have brought some astroturf in and hire enough black folks. he has enough money for it. >> good to see you. right now, five states in the toss up category for the race to 270. jacob soboroff traveling to the swing states to talk with the voters who will decide this election. he joins me now from tampa, florida. jacob, why tampa? what are you hearing there? >> reporter: things are very tight here, as you know, craig,
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in florida. and hillsboro county in particular is a very swinging county on the far western edge of the i-4 corridor in florida. 2000, wept for president bush. 2008 and 2012 president bush. i met up with a group of bikers, former firemen, some active duty firemen, military folks, just across the street here in ybor city to ask why they are on the trump train and this is what they told me. will you take me for a right? >> yeah, normally i wouldn't take a guy for a ride. >> you're lying! >> reporter: how many people here voting for donald trump? anybody voting for hillary clinton? would you guys allow somebody to join you on a thursday morning if they were voting for hillary clinton? >> sure. >> i probably could tell you 1,000 people now that all feel the same thing hillary is
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corrupt. i have three kids. i'm a single dad. and the supreme court justices for the next election are going to be our children's lives. >> reporter: you just said i'm well-armed and donald trump is playing up the second amendment the last couple days. does that speak to you? >> hell, yes. >> of course. >> absolutely. that's one of the things i do for a living, is i teach conceal and carry classes. florida in particular is one of the most saturated states country for conceal weapons permits. >> who has a conceal/carry permit here? >> this is your safe space. >> this is my safe space. a know a lot of you are anti-hillary, but what is donald trump speaking to that you guys like, other than the second amendment? >> jobs. >> who said border patrol? do you trust him he's going to get it done, though? >> yeah. >> i trust not only is he get it done but surround himself with the right people that can. >> reporter: do you do this with hillary clinton? >> yeah, i would give her a ride. >> okay, all right.
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>> reporter: donald trump country, huh? >> apparently so. >> yeah. >> that's what they say, i guess. yahoo! >> reporter: what's the best part about this being a swing state? >> getting to decide who our next president is going to be. >> reporter: fair enough. >> fair enough! >> reporter: donald trump does not obviously need any help in winning over those voters, and that was a lot of fun, i have to say. but there are thousands more here in hillsboro county and across florida up for grabs, craig. i want to say one thing real quick. i know i wasn't wearing a helmet. my mom was angry, my wife was angry. i'll never do it again. >> jacob, i've never met a stranger soboroff. good to see you. that's going to do it. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i'm craig melvin. tamron hall back from vacation,
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picking up our coverage right now. >> jacob, i've never met -- okay. let's get to serious business right now at nbc. donald trump's campaign suggests a possible retreat on one of his most controversial proposes, deporting nearly 11 million undocumented immigrants. well now this morning, what donald trump just said when he was asked if he is flip-flopping. plus, former secretary of state, colin powell says hillary clinton's people have been, quote, trying to pin it on me after clinton says powell advised her to use private e-mail while at the state department. and president obama returns to washington, d.c., and he plans to visit the people in louisiana after historic flooding there. republicans criticizing the president for not ending his vacation. what will they say now that he plans to visit the state. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall coming to you live from msnbc headquarters in new york. we begin with donald trump's answer thimo

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