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clinton face time. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in boston. zeroing in on the reports on the global foundation. he is hammering away at bill and hillary clinton, accusing them for pay for play. it comes after the associated press reported tuesday that among state department calendars they reviewed more than half the officials clinton met with as secretary of state had donated to the clinton foundation. well, trump ratcheted up his rhetoric today in tampa, calling her actions criminal. >> she sold favors and access in exchange for cash. she sold it. she sold favors. she sold access. and wait until you see what is
revealed. all of those people. now it looks like it is 50% of the people that saw her had to make contributions to the clinton foundation. wait until you see what she did for all those people. wait until you see. these are not people that go in as i said, and talk about how are you feeling. it is impossible to tell where the clinton foundation ends and the state department ends. she did so to cover up a vast pay for play scheme. her actions are criminal. hillary clinton thinks she is above the law. >> boy, the introduction to trump today, former new york city mayor rudolph giuliani said the clintons, what they did was worse than watergate. listen to him. >> i am more than willing to predict when the history of our day is written, the scandal you are watching unfold will be like the tea pot dome scandal in the
1920s. maybe bigger. nixon had to leave office. did he a lot of bad things but he was not raking in millions and millions of dollars through a phoney charity. do you know what the clintons must be saying? what a jerk that 9/11on was. you want to really be a criminal, you destroy evidence. >> it's not a phony charity. let's get straight. earlier today -- >> by our count, there were over 1,700 other meetings she had. she was secretary of state. she was meeting with foreign officials and government officials constantly. so to pull all of them out of the equation. it is complete outrageous. to set tim highest possible standards to prevent any conflict of interest. hillary clinton and her family
had a foundation. it is charitable. they don't receive a salary from it. hillary clinton doesn't have a conflict of interest with charitable work. that's all it is. >> earlier this evening, bill clinton weighed in on what would happen with the foundation. should hillary clinton win the presidency? that's all it is. >> i made it cheer. if she becomes president, we'll have to do more than when she was secretary of state. if you make a mistake. if you're president, you can't. we're going to transition all these responsibilities that would require foreign and corporate donations. i won't raise money for the foundation if she wins. and i'm happy to do the transition as quickly as we can. we've already found partners other want to take over some of this stuff. we have to do it in a way that
no one loses their job, no one loses their income. that's all i'm concerned about. >> so is this about quid pro quo? or about access to people who donate? is this really pay to play or another more common case of pay to play with. to have access with people. socially as well as politically. nbc's andrea mitchell covers the campaign is is the host here on msnbc. just give us, what are the facts here that we can discern in terms of any possible could not nick of interest between the people who come to see hillary clinton as secretary of state, who have already given this clinton global initiative? is there a conflict there? >> look. there are lots of people who are either corporate or social friends of the clintons and contributors to the foundation. and they have had meetings with hillary clinton. and they got access. they had relationships with think tanks, group that's do
charities elsewhere like the gates family and others. this has been handled very sloppily. the fire wall was not properly defined as well as it should have been. there is a memorandum of understanding signed by both sides when hillary clinton was confirmed by the foreign relations committee. by people watching the white house. they all agreed to the terms. they were probably not as careful as they should have been. there is no way to determine anything illegal. rudolph giuliani notwithstanding. the state department says no rules were broken.
no ethical rules were broken. no laws were broken. it was all above board. that these people would have had meetings with her in any case. so it is like a political campaign. do senators and congress members accept phone calls from people who are their contributors before they hear from the average person? yes. that is the way business is done in washington. it is something bernie sanders and others have been campaigning against. it is and not illegal. it is not something that voters like and could it hurt her at the polls. >> you said then senator hillary of new york signed an ethics agreement which was men to serve as the fire wall between her duties as secretary and the duties of the clinton foundation. for the duration of my point as secretary, if i will confirmed, i will not participate personally and substantially in any particular matter involving specific parties in which they are a party. now that's pretty legalese. what would that mean? i won't meet with people who
gave to the foundation? i won't serve in office, little duties, little tasks to undertake secretary of state? >> it means no quid pro quo. and we have not found a quid pro quo. for instance, earlier tonight i interviewed f. daniel abraham, the founder of slim fast. his communications, the e-mails to huma abedin asking for a meeting. was that a quid pro quo? he tells me that he was meeting with her, that he knew her since 1992. he was meeting with her as head of the middle east institution on issues of middle east peace. getting the palestinians and the israelis together. and he was calling for that meeting when he was with high israeli official. so he has an explanation. it doesn't sound like a quid pro quo.
he has known hillary clinton for all those years. he would get that meeting no matter when or how he had given to the foundation. in the case of governor mcdonald, the supreme court made it clear. you have to do something absolutely overt shelf has to pick up the phone and saying i am calling and doing this for you because you are a donor. they overturned that conviction so there is no, as far as we know, no legal case here. and it is really a matter of politics that the republicans are claiming that this is pay for play and something that should lead to her being indicted or convicted or lock her up. that is really the campaign. we have yet to say anything from any investigator that says this is the case. >> he is 92 years old. he is not some rabid -- he is a guy who happens to be jewish who really believes in trying to find peace between palestinians and the israelis.
the former congressman worked for him. died over there working for him of natural causes. he gave his life working for that cause. it was great cause. why should not he fwoet meet with secretary of state? thank you for including that bit of fact. with me now, the republican strategist and a writer. what would you call this if you discovered that somebody had gotten a lot of access in terms office time? whatever the percentage is of a public official for people who had given money? a charitable cause or a campaign contribution? would that know new to you? would that be unethical to you? >> i will take first and third piece first. no. it would not be new to me. it would be something that to me, someone when i was a board member for the national lesbian and gay journalists association, i had raise money and do philanthropic work for our own organization.
and people give money to nonprofits for all sorts of reasons. for access. to be close to important people. we would do a dinner every year with big journalists and people would pay a lot of money just to be able to sit next to tom brokaw or dan rather. i'm dating myself here. but people give money to philanthropic organizations for various reasons. and what is at issue here, to get to your -- is it ethical piece. as andrea said. from reading the ap story, i did not read anything that was remotely illegal. you want to talk about appearances, this whole story, the way it has been handled needs into the fair if i have the clintons can't be trusted. if you read the ap story, as difl i came away thinking, where is the beef here? if you're going to hang the entire story, you have no story.
>> it doesn't seem straining to me. in fact my hunch is a lot of people who gave to the global initiative also gave to their campaigns. knew them socially. and jonathan is so right. a lot of people give money to politicians whatever the cause so they can sit next to them in a dinner. they like the close know of somebody important. >> a couple things. as you know, i'm a campaign consultant. we're having a conversation a little more than two months out whether or not hillary clinton broke the law is probably not a good day for the clinton campaign, number one. >> who said she broke the law? who said that? people are saying, we have yet to find anywhere where she did break the law. but we wouldn't be having this discussion if there were not at least some stupidity involved. you have bill clinton now saying, well, if she's president, we're not going to do hit the way.
it could be a conflict. that was the same problem when she was secretary of state. if it was a bad idea when she was president, it's a bad idea when she's secretary of state. and i think they should be willing to own up to that. >> back to you. that point sounds important to me. if it is a problem so much that the former president has to pull out of this deal and say no more foreign contributions. if you admit concern about a conflict, why not do it earlier? do it when she was made secretary of state? >> we're talking about two different jobs. of course, if clinton is elected president of the united states, all the things they have announced that would it do if she is elected are things that have to be done. the people are saying right now that the foundation should close. they should cease all their activities.
at no point do they talk about what happens to the people on the other end of those surfaces that the foundation helps. no one talks about the lives involved. >> i'll talk about that. the firsthand experience with the clinton foundation. i think it does great work and i would hate to see it stop. coming up, donald trump plans to meet with black ask hispanic republicans tomorrow. it is an invitation only thing to trump tower. they have to come to him take. escalator up and meet him in his home place. his kingdom, if you will. also, overseas, news of a murder attack at the american university in kabul. we'll have the latest on that horror. and hillary clinton is leading in the polls in most of the big states that matter. could she win in a land slide? i think it is doable if they continue. and our round table is here to size up 2016.
former philadelphia and miami police chief was laid to rest tuesday in new york city. hundreds of mourners turned out at st. patrick's cathedral. he lost his battle to lung cancer last week. he was born in ireland of he moved to new york at the age of 12 and would later become an nypd officer. he rose to first deputy commissioner under bill bratton before his top positions in philadelphia and miami. he was described as one of a kind. and he was also, one of the last of that kind. welcome back.
welcome back. donald trump continues his outreach to minorities communities, again asking them, what do you have to lose? here he is. >> what do you have to lose? i'm going to make it so good. to the african-american vote, great people. to the hispanic voter who has been absolutely treated terribly, i say what do you have to lose? what? i'll be able to make sure when you walk down the street in your inner city or wherever you are, you're not going to be shot. >> wow! that's pretty rough stuff. meanwhile he seem to be
moderating. in the past he said he would round them up and have a deportation force he would create. here he is last night. >> you seem to, in the last week, be revisiting the issue of sending everybody back. that is here illegally. tell us where you stand on that. >> we want to follow laws. we have very strong laws. >> is there any part of the law that you might be able to change that would accommodate those people that would contribute to society? have been law abiding? would there be any room in your mind? i know you had a meeting this week. hispanic leaders. >> did i. great people, great hispanic leaders and there can be a softening. we're not to hurt people. we have some great peel in this country. we have some great, great people in this country. but we're going to follow the laws of this country. >> according to the "washington post," he is trying shed the
label that some have stuck on him. trump has ordered a full-fledged strategy to court black and latino voters and is mobilizing scores of minority figures to advocate publicly for his candidacy. tomorrow they will meet at trump tower. trump outrun his birther past? cornell is a pollster and amy holmes, she was the senior speech writer to former senate majority leader bill frist. what is your sense of what trump is trying to accomplish here? and does he have what it takes to pull it off? >> i don't really take it seriously. if i want to enter connect with african-american voters, i'm not necessarily meeting with republicans. around 20% of hispanics are identified with republicans.
i don't see this as an outreach the african-americans at all. what this is, you look at the polling numbers in these battle ground states. and we talk about he is losing ground with white college educated voters. he runs 15 or 16 off. a whole swath unsupportive of a racist. this is not about african-americans, forgetting aa whole year of racism. >> i think donald trump would love to get a larger percent of the african-american sxroet the hispanic vote. we know donald trump likes to aim big. i don't disagree that part of the outreach is to quell the discomfort among some of the more central rift voters that he needs if he wanted to be president of the united states. as reported in the four-way race, we final him getting 7% of the african-american vote. compare it to ross perot who
spoke in front of the naacp addressing the crowd as your people. and he still got 7% of the vote. i think his campaign announced they plan to hold a rally in jackson, mississippi. which is a town 80% african-american. i think it will be much watch tv. does he keep his cool? >> that's a great question. do you take this seriously if he were to go into black churches where the environment would be more conducive to the congregation there than to him? more than the people welcoming him than to him? you show you have the right chemistry. and that shows doing what it takes.
that's the true ask. saying to come out for tea. it doesn't seem like the way you campaign by inviting people to you. you have to go to them. usually. >> very condescending but i don't know why we're surprised. looking at where he's going. last time checked, mississippi was not a battle ground state. if this was about winning over african-americans in places in play, you need to go, to be in florida. >> but the big cities in the south. >> cornell, big cities are where you get african-american audiences. >> to go cleveland in a battle ground state where it is competitive. last time i checked, democrats weren't playing in mississippi. this is about shoring up some of his voters than it is reaching out. i'm for him all going to mississippi and to plaque cities.
>> let's talk about this new report that just came out. on this one. trump seems toim my he is open to allowing some illegal immigrants to stay in the u.s. quote no, citizenship, let me go a step further, they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. no amnesty as such. but we work with them. everybody agrees we get bad ones out. when i go through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on this sun, and i've had very strong people come up to me. really great, great people come up to me. to take a person who has been here 15 or 20 years and to throw
their family out, it's so tough plrgs trump. i have it all the time. it is a very, very hard thing. it sounds like doesn't want to be the cartoon version plaintiff trump anymore. >> and it sounds like kellyanne conway is influencing him. the question is will trump supporters be unhappy with this softening around immigration. the answer is no. i think they think that donald trump is with them. his instincts are in the right treks. not unlike when senator obama in 2008 said that he defined marriage as a covenant between a man and a woman before god. but others said he is white house this issue and it turns out they were right. will trump supporters own acceptance of this new campaign rhetoric and have the same payoff for them? >> it's like when you full blanket around at night. someone uses the blanket and get cold.
how will his softening on this issue of deportations play with his base? some are not happy. for example, hey, donald trump, don't go softening your stance against illegal immigration too much. he know, you're back in a dead heat with hillary but don't let it go to your hes. you didn't where you are by challenging jeb bush. >> i'm worrying that he's talking to the wrong people. he is sounding more like the candidates he defweetd the talking points about softening on, deporting the ones, they've been here a long time and they're law-abiding. yes, that's true. how about you just say no.
my policy is consistent. this could be the shortest book tour ever if he is really softening on his position. i don't think he is. >> where are you on the softening of donald trump? >> i think it is pivoting to the center in homes of winning this election. will he lose the supporters? i don't think so. i think they think he has the right position. so he'll be supporting their outlook these things. they didn't have the same confidence in marco rubio or jeb bush. they thought they were soft to begin with. those trump supporters, are they correct in this assessment? >> sounds right to me. a dangerous story unfolding in afghanistan as the american university comes under attack in kabul.
out of kabul, ganls. that's where officials say militants attacked the americans in afghanistan killing one person and injuring dozens more. one student said two grenades were thrown into his classroom. security forces are combing through campus in search of the attackers. what do we know about who did this and why? >> well, frankly, we don't know very much about who did it. we have one main suspect, the taliban. the why is it is the american university in kabul. it has long been a target. two professors including one american professor were kidnapped when they left the campus about, two weeks ago. this is the first major attack, however, on the facility. but if you are the taliban, this facility represents everything that you oppose. it is co-ed, it brings american
professors teaching afghan boys and girls about civil society. teaching them in a western education. it is one of the most positive legacies that the americans have left in the city and it is something that the taliban has been determined to oppose. the taliban hasn't claimed responsibility. the reason i say they're the most likely target is there has been an increasing campaign against the taliban recently. while the rest of the world has been focused on the olympics, the war in afghanistan has intensified and the taliban has come under heavy bombardment from the u.s. it could be a retaliation. >> how do you protect a soft target like a university campus? >> it is protected. a wall around it. a gate to go in. frankly, if you set off a bomb which is what happened, then rush in with gunmen, you have to be on a military style footing
to prevent that. it is not just normal security if people are willing to blow themselves up at a gate and then storm through commando style. how do you pre sprenl? you have to build it like a super max prison. a lot of the buildings look like super max prisons. you have to go through air locked gates. one gate, they close it behind you, they check you, then you go through another gate and peeve system doesn't stop a determined today. so many buildings are ringed by tall t-walls. if you're willing to set off a bomb and then rush through with an assault rifle, it is not always going to stop you. >> you know the area there for a long time. i was thinking how wonder russ was after the taliban fell thanks to our forces at the end of 2001. to see them standing in line in a free society.
is that what it is like there? is that what drives the taliban crazy? that people are culturally free to make their own religious and cultural decisions? >> that's part of it. the taliban is a reactionist group. it wants to impose a strict version. it sees the world as completely corrupt. and through its vision. by the way, the i had today indicated vision is quite similar. isis vision is quite similar. this romantic idea if only pure islamic law could be implemented, that all the ills of the world which have been brought by the west and jewish conspiracies would be wiped away. that's why it has been so important. things like girls education. to teach women on pressed in the most medieval circumstances. it is trying to teach the opposite of that. >> i have nothing but respect
reason polls show hillary clinton with big a lead over donald trump according to our new nbc news online poll. clinton beating donald trump by 9 points. in virginia, 16 points. pennsylvania, a state we know trump people need. she is up by 11. in missouri, normally she is behind by only a point. if the polls hold, hillary
clinton is on a track to win and win big come november. which is getting closer. the default position for american politics lately i would say, about 50/50. most issues, people divide right versus left about 50/50. the next 76 days, if they're like the next few weeks, trump is in for a beating. flake said he would like to support trump but he doesn't think can or should win. he also add that he has little faith that trump will change. so how big can hillary clinton win this baby? can she make a may for congress? joining us, political reporter for the guardance newspaper. molly ball, political reporter for the atlantic. i want you to get into this scrum and i want to ask you, what do you think is the likelihood that we'll break from our normal pat western the 50/50 elects. that this could be a big one for hillary.
>> well, a lot of the polling that's done after the convention is typically predicted. it has been the trend in recent cycles. and hillary clinton has pulled ahead by as much as double dig knits key battle grounds. it has reached where states are in may and he is underperforming, among several. it's hard to imagine when you take that and you couple with it the advertising advantage hillary clinton has, the organizational structure that she has which donald trump has not shown how he can possibly turn it around with less than three months to go. >> she has disproportionate leads in the swing states. she is running tens of millions of ads and he is running almost no ads. she has people out to vote for
her. trump doesn't have that. it means even if trump turns his message around. it is hard to make up that ground. >> i agree with what molly said. i think the popular vote will get closer and closer. they both come into this with such high negatives. if you look at the elections where we have had land slides in the popular vote. back to 94 and 64. you have an imbalance. you have lbj versus gold water. and the other candidate very unpop lafrl i don't see hillary clinton opening up a luge here. it might not matter. the electoral vote is all that matters.
it might not matter. the electoral vote is all that matters. >> take a look at this. trump needs 270, the new manager was here and she saidett do you have 270 laurel votes in your let. >> >> not a lot it is in this. >> i should not have interrupted. as her high point is 270 to 284, that is a squeaker already. according to our battle ground map calculations, hillary clinton leads with 288 votes
herself. trump is at 174. let me ask you. maybe this is nirvana. something where the country has delivered a mandate. it is their that candidate once elected candidate and sworn in, will be given having won a mandate. they'll pass legislation to support the mancase. so the vote letters feel like they got something done. any hope for that? a governing election comfortable we get one in. >> i think turning over the house is still very improbable but democrats are favored. there are several key battle
grounds where they are running. even where donald trump is running in the polls. they have as much of a 6 to 8-point advantage. even though donald trump is losing. so there have been some that they're able to focus on issues. democrats have to do a better job if they hope to hand donald trump. >> there are still three. what are this he? i think they got three. go ahead. we have a republican hat. run by an. >> ironically i think the
reverse coat tails. it is going to make it harder to go in. he maybe even house candidates break off and say i oppose trump. you need elect me because i will be a check on hillary clinton. that's how they'll distance themselves from trump. that will come in already, sort of begin the clinton presidency in a very add verdict sarahial nightclub. >> so what's the purpose of running elections for two years? you're telling me. we'll have go with nothing gets
done. are we heading to a january of nothingness? >> whether democrats take senate or not. whether they take the house or not, it still depends who the republicans are and i don't think they've hated that. they are more opposition will than ever. it could be that the proverbial fever finally breaks and they have to cooperate. >> somebody give me hope besides. >> does it add to a governing move for actions somewhere near the middle politically? anybody believe that? >> if clinton governs like her
husband did. the strategy of triangulation and for real small ball victories. >> how about the immigration? >> fair and enforced. >> a little too ambitious. >> we're the only country in the world that can't govern. it is hopeless, you're all saying. i think they decided that they needed to pass immigration reform. looks at 2016 and says if only we had done it four years ago. >> i think it would be something to be proud of. fair and open and we enforce it because we believe in it. is that asking too much? so far question. the round table is sticking with us.
new polling data right now from a state that went blue in 2008 but red in 2012. that's north carolina. let's go to the "hardball" scoreboard. according to a new cnn/orc poll, clinton is up by one point in north carolina. clinton, 44, trump, 43. gary johnson at 11%. research triangle votes there, i would say are for johnson. in arizona, trump up by five. johnson there in third with a strong 12%, heading toward the
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>> molly, tell me something i don't know and make it optimistic, please. i'm just kidding. go ahead. >> bernie sanders tonight kicking off this our revolution to keep the progressive energy going, keep the activism going. they'll be active in the november election, supporting progressive candidates and advocating for progressive bat lol initiatives, like single payer in colorado and anti-death penalty initiatives in several states. >> get rid of super delegates. that's what i'd like. >> campaign finance reports show the trump campaign spent $8.4 million in digital consulting and online ads, which is a ton for a campaign that hasn't spend this kind of money on political blocking and tackling.
most of it went to a firm out of san antonio, a firm owned by trump's digital director. its only experience with trump prior to this point had been working on websites for his golf courses. >> sabrina, only a couple seconds left. >> i interviewed the rnc's director of hispanic outreach and asked her directly, should trump apologize to the hispanic community for saying the majority of mexican immigrants are rapists and killers, and for attack the mexican judge for his hispanic heritage, she told me no, he shouldn't apologize. so as he explains regret, he's not sorry for that. >> "hardball" is coming back after this. let me finish tonight with this attack on the clinton foundation and global initiative. let me say what i often say, that people only truly believe
let me finish tonight with this attack on the clinton foundation and global initiative. let me say what i often say, that people only truly believe what they discover for themselves. it's not until you come face to face with a subject that you really know it. and i've said this before a number of times, but let me say it again with pride. for five months after he graduated from college, our son worked in rwanda, getting aids drugs to patients. making sure the drugs didn't fall into the hands of those who would sell them on the european market. a classic example of how the
clinton global initiative works. they do two things, to make sure aid to developing countries works. one, it gets the governments to commit to keeping their hands off the money. two, they convince the donors in europe, the united states and elsewhere, that that is one aid program that gets all the money to the people intended. it's not getting to get lost on the route between donor and recipient like so much aid has been over the past year. so if you ask me if i believe in the clinton global initiative, i am. i've seen how it works. proud they've found a way to serve the world, to encourage giving and to make sure good people get what they need, without bad people trying to grab their piece of it. so let's keep our eye on potential conflicts, not on the clinton effort itself. shutting down the clinton effort would hardly make this a bad world. getting others to do what it's doing, would. that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being here.
"all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> african americans are tired of being used by these phony politicians. >> donald trump in mississippi with mr. brexit himself. >> i tell you what, i think he's going to win. >> tonight the latest strange twist in the republicans' effort to resuscitate his campaign. >> i caught the undercover trump voter. >> is donald trump winning if you count secret trump voters? then senator chris murphy on the latest trump resistance to releasing his taxes. >> it would be foolish to do. >> the nexus of hillary clinton, epipens and another odd introduction for mike pence. >> i'm a white male and i am prejudice. what did i do to change? >> when "all in" starts right