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on the corner, anywhere, i'll be there. that does it for us tonight, we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word." >> the thing i really loved is why does he have a gastro interologyist. that had not occurred to me and it is such a great medical question. there's nothing wrong with the man. >> but why see one for 35 years. >> you've got to show up with something wrong in there, something you're complaining about it. >> we've been calling the doctor and get further statement from him. >> let me know if you get an appointment with him, and how they might go. >> i'll steal your magazine from the waiting room. >> thanks, rachel. what does a spoiled
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four-year-old do when he feels guilty about something, he accuses someone else of doing what he has done, that's what donald trump is doing tonight with hillary clinton. what was suppose to be day three of the softening, donald trump thinks he might be hardening, again. those are his words, not mine. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> they seem to be ever changing. >> i can't tell you what donald trump's immigration stance at the moment. >> he said he could be softening, which is normal, it happens to a lot of men his age. >> they have to pay taxes. there's no am nesty, but we work with them. >> who knew that it would be donald trump to come and convert the gop base to supporting am nesty.
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>> his views will change based on the feedback he gets from the crowd. >> number one? number two? >> i find it abhorrent. >> donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. >> you're racist, you're racist, you're racist. >> there has been a steady stream of bigotry. >> hillary clinton is a big got, but here is the hard truth, there is no other donald trump, this is it. >> shame on you. >> his real message, make america hate again. >> donald trump has a history of racist behavior going back decades, some of it taught to him by his father, fred trump, who managed to get himself arrested. that history was chronicled and
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now that donald trump realizes he cannot win the election without appealing the to voters who are not racist, he did what a petulant child might do, he accuses an opponent what he knows he's guilty of. >> you look at what's happening to african-americans and hispanics in this country, where she talks all the time, she said the vets are being, essentially, just fine, that it's over exaggerated what's happening to the vets. >> how is she -- >> she's selling them down the tubes. she's not doing anything for those communities. she talks a good game. >> you're saying -- she has hatred. >> her policies -- i think her policies are bigoted because she knows they're not going to work. >> they're her policies, she comes out with the policies and others that believe like she does, also, but she came out with policies over the years. this is over the years.
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long time. she's totally bigoted. there's no question about it. >> hillary clinton is a bigot, that's the new trump campaign slogan. no matter how many african-americans publicly complain, donald trump insists that he knows better than african-americans what african-americans are thinking. >> some of them are insulted by some of the language you can -- >> i don't think they are, they heard me they wouldn't be insulted at all. >> anderson cooper, tonight donald trump appeared to reverse his two days of softening on mass deportation when he said, no undocumented people will be allowed to stay in the united states, they will have to return to their country of origin and then asked to come back in. >> there's not a pass. there's no path to legalization, unless people leave the country -- when they come back in, if
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they come back in they can start paying taxes. >> they have to leave? >> there's no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> hillary clinton talked about the recent changes in the trump campaign, including the new campaign ceo, steven bannon. >> trump likes to say he only hires the best people, but he's had to fire so many campaign managers it's like an episode from the "apprentice." the latest shakeup was designed to, "let trump be trump" so to do that, he hired steven bannon, the head of a right-wing web site called "bright" as the campaign ceo. to give you a flavor of his work, here are a few headlines they've published and i'm not making this up. "birth control makes women unattractive and crazy." "would you rather your child had
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femininism or cancer." gabby giffords the gun control human shield. just imagine, this is what i need more of in my campaign. >> clinton campaign released this web video today, highlighting donald trump's support from white supremacist. >> donald trump will be best for the job. >> for president. >> i'm a farmer and white nationalist and support donald trump. >> sending out all the illegals, building a wall, that's very appealing to a lot of ordinary white people. >> it's treason to your heritage. >> he responded by pretending that hillary clinton is saying that all of donald trump's supporters are white supremacist.
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>> hillary clinton just isn't attacking me. she's attacking all of the decent people, of all backgrounds, doesn't matter, of all backgrounds who support this incredible once in a lifetime movement. when democratic policies failed, they're left with only this one tired argument, you're racist, you're racist, you're racist, they keep saying it. you're racist. it's a tired disgusted argument. >> joining us now dean robinson, tara film maker and former senior media adviser, and with us nicholas, columnist for the "new york times." nick, your recent column about donald trump's history, which includes his father's history, has brought a lot of us back to some of the things that we had forgotten about in his history.
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donald trump tonight, addressed one of the things you brought up, which was the housing discrimination that he was engaged in and describe the practices they used, as you understand it. >> sure. i waited through more than a thousand pages of these documents, the nixon administration, not saying for the civil rights activism. what they had done they sent out testers to trump properties, some whites and some blacks, consistently, the blacks were told that there was no room available. white was told, here is this nice apartment. it turned out that people who worked in the buildings were told if a black person actually applied for an apartment, then their application was to be coded, in one case, c for "colored" they'll be sure not to give it to somebody that was not white.
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and so you have this consistent policy across trump properties, initial it was 1973, when trump failed to immement his decent decree and then, you know, that was in the 1970s. then you have this whole layer of similar trump behaviors in 1990s. >> let's listen to donald trump's trump to anderson cooper about this tonight. >> we were sued many many years ago when i was very young by the government, sued many companies, you know that, it wasn't me, they sued many companies. >> your company was sued for not allowing -- >> you know what, they found nothing. they found absolutely nothing. >> i settled. >> with no awards, no nothing. >> didn't people in your company use the -- >> i don't even know. what a superintendent in the
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building, that i can't tell you. but i can just tell you they settled the case and that was the end of it. it was many years ago they found we did nothing wrong we didn't have to do anything. we didn't have to pay $20 million in fines. we didn't have anything. >> it was a long time ago, i believe so, no. >> nick, is that your understanding of the case. >> that's a complete misstatement of what happened. you look at those whole clippings, everybody regarded that settlement to be a complete victory for the government. trump -- they did consent to doing various activities. they agreed to advertise their properties in black audience publication, for example, so that african-american can have a crack at those apartments. they agreed to end. when they did not adhere, the government sued them again. so it was completely recognized by absolutely everybody at the time that there was wrongdoing and he had to take significant measures to try to address it. >> gene robinson, there's a long history of people on the wrong side of racism and bigotry
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accusations, turning that around and aiming it at other people, to an attempt to render the words completely meaningless. if you get up there and say hillary clinton is bigot, one of the things you're trying to do is make that word have no meaning any more. >> it does have meaning. we know which way it cuts in this election. think about it, in his 20s, donald trump and -- along with his father was being sued for housing discrimination, in her 20s, hillary clinton was in the south working for the children's defense fund combatting school segregation. the idea of donald trump screaming on the stage, it's not just offensive. >> passage that's quoted in the column from a 1991 book that talks about donald trump being upset that he discovered that there was a black man working on
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his accounting. this is the quote that, black guys counting my money, i hate it. the only kind of people i want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmukekes every day. i think the guy is lazy. and it's probably not his fault. because laziness it's not anything they can control. >> yeah, i just had a chance to read that on the way over, of course, i mean if it's true, if it's accurate, i defer to nick's reporting on that. if it is accurate, i mean, it's absolutely reprehensible. i think trump tried to say he doesn't either recall saying that or didn't say it. if that happened it's certainly reprehensible. i think the bigger problem even
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if for the sake of argument this happened years and years ago. i think you just played with anderson cooper to show, you know, any real lack of, you know, ownership over some of these things to instantly kind of go to that knee jerk reaction, it settled it was nothing there. there has to be level of difference in a candidate and someone who is saying they want to reach out and court voters that's arguably. i think it is, at best, you know, obviously troubling and, you know, legitimately, i think these are questions i think -- that are going to continue to service and come out and that will come out during the debates. i will say this, too, it's
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obvious, you know, we're at this point in the race where when both sides are lobbying racist charges, it's not unheard of for democrats to bring up the race card as they generally do in elections against republicans. it's always kind of a knee jerk, i think for trump's case, he has provided so much foder, it's really hard for him to back away from any of it. i think it's legitimate to say, ye -- it's legitimate to raise it. it's legitimate to bring that up. the problem is the messenger because of all the rhetoric that he's already lobbed against minority voters early on. >> hillary clinton gave her first speech where she talked about the alternative right which is, you know, to the right of the right wing of the republican party, it's a term we've been learning recently. >> the de facto merger between
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bright bard and the trump campaign represents a landmark achievement for this group. a fringe element that has effectively taken over the republican party. this is part of a broader story, the right-wing nationalism around the world. >> and one of the objectives that they have is this neutralizing of the language, to accuse everyone being a bigot, therefore no one is a bigot. >> i think it's not a great strategy. when you think of that bigotry, what do you see? you see somebody who has this long record his dad rested at a clan rally in 1997, woody announcing his dad for racism in the 1950s.
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not only through the casinos, african-american working said that when donald trump visited all of the black employees were ushered off and hidden in the back so he wouldn't see them. you know, in the campaign you have the tweets. i mean this is somebody who has twice retweeted a white genocide twitter handle with a photo of the founder of the -- >> it says white genocide right on it, you know what it is. >> it's astonishing, you know, i do think that one study found that one third of the accounts that trump follows -- that trump retweeted, in turn, follow white nationalist, white supremacy cyst -- how do you find these sites out there. it does deflect degree in which donald trump is not a main stream republican candidate but
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much more akin to some of the far right political that we've seen in europe, for example. >> before we go, donald trump seems confused as to whether he's softening or hardening, i'm telling you those are his words tonight as he's talking about. how do we tell? >> we can't. the famous quote from the spokeswoman, trump isn't changing his positions, he's changing the words he uses. in fact, all he has is words. he doesn't have positions. he has words. and he has volume and that's what we've got. >> i will say made one r point i think what it does it under minds the republican party's effort, it's coming from trump and goes to the base of core folks within the party when he doesn't immediately and consistently condemn folks like
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that. >> thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. frank will be joining us later. coming up donald trump's latest position on illegal immigration. we're going to try to figure out whether he is softening or hardening, those are his terms for what he thinks is going on here. and programming note hillary clinton will be on the morning joe tomorrow on msnbc.
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donald trump publicly released his tax return, 74% say yes including 66% of republicans. donald trump was scheduled to give a speech on immigration today. that was scheduled a few days ago, they cancelled that speech for today, now we know why, donald trump cannot today decide
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softening and the hardening. >> we're going to have borders, very strong borders. after that, we're going to see what happens. but we're doing to find people and we're getting immediately, and i mean first hour of -- the first document i will sign will say, get the bad ones out of this country, bring them back where they come from. >> you know i've got to follow up, you used the word softening and -- >> i don't think it's a softening -- >> 11 million people are being imported. >> i think it's a hardening. >> joining us now, chief of mother jones and msnbc political analysts, former analysts and editor in chief of the daily wire. ben, what is this, softening or hardening? >> well, i mean if you can't tell after four hours he ought to call his dr. it's confusing to say the least, my
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recommendation he should stop talking about immigration until he can figure out what is going on. >> we now know very clearly why this immigration speech, which is suppose to be today, was cancelled a few days ago. he has no idea where he is on this subject. >> i know. it's fun to make jokes. i had a four-hour joke, too, ben, you beat me to the punch, there. >> i always do. >> the larger -- i think the larger point to the hardening and softening questioning, lawrence, i don't think donald trump ultimately is interested in very much, other than, donald trump. you know, look at any of his policy positions across the board, they basically aren't there, they say i'm going to do this thing without telling you how he's going to do it. he's uninterested if you look at the speech gave today calling
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hillary clinton basically a mobster, there's no policy elements of the components to it at all. the only policy element that he really seems to care about and that he's been consistent about is the wall. everything else is whatever trump thinks at the moment. >> now, the softening came from the notion that he wasn't going to do a mass deportation of 11 million people. tonight when he was talking to anderson cooper, he said that those people have to leave the country in order to then apply to come into the country legally, so that sounds like they all have to leave, but, ben, maybe it means he's not going to force them to leave, which would basically leave us in policy terms, exactly where we are now. >> i mean, what he's talking about now is what he was proposing, both of them are what he originally would have called amnesty, but, i mean, honest to god, his position changes moment to moment. if you don't like this answer, then you can get another one in a couple of answers. the man has more positions than the karma sue tra. he's got a solid base of support
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of people who love him. he's hoping he shifts, that people will move with him. i highly doubt that's the case. >> this is not as much of a shift than a jiggle. you don't know where he's going to come down on this position with his speech. you know, throughout the campaign, you know, talking about the wall and tying it to massive deportation, which is what he referred to, again and again, particularly when he was trying to jeb bush and marco rubio, was the heart that got him going and up in the polls. without it, he's like a roast beef sandwich without the roast beef. >> he made fun of every candidate. let's listen to this quick 12 seconds where donald trump talks about just how many people we might be talking about here. he's got a wildly new variable estimate for how many people might be here illegally.
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let's listen to this. >> you know it's a process, you can't take 11 at one time and say, boom, you're gone. nobody even knows if it's 11. >> it could be 30 and it could be 5. nobody knows what the number is. >> ben, the guy who is claiming that the country is being invaded and over run by these people is now dropping the estimate down to possibly only 5 million of them here. >> yeah, i know where he's getting the 30. she looks at mckenzie study where they estimate the number and far higher than the census figures. again, i'm not sure that he has any -- i don't think he has any deep knowledge of any of the issues. i think that he's making policy up as he goes and there's a reason they postponed the speech until next week, until his team can figure out what they're going to say and saying which one is pop. >> thanks very much for joining us tonight. >> sure thing. >> coming up next, what do glen
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>> trump is reinforcing harmful stereo types and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters. it's a disturbing preview of what kind of president he'd be. >> this is a dog whistle, he is using dog whistled and speaking to people but they're hearing things and whether he's meaning it or not, i don't know, but people are hearing him say things and each of them different. he is in massive, massive trouble and more importantly, we are, if he is elected. >> joining us now, frank rich writer for new york magazine and executive producer where hbo veep where he gets to spend his day in hollywood. hell hath frozen over. >> the coke brothers are among
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the biggest trump critics, they're now patriots. >> he is a uniter. >> not a divider. >> but, look, they're both right. it's -- they're dog whistles and everyone knows what they're about, they're nativist and racist. i think glenn is a little bit disingenuous. donald trump is the batard child of tea party and sarah palin, and beck all who enables them. at least, you know, on the correct side now, at least in my view. >> he's been a posed to trump from the start, unlike rush. >> including most of fox news. >> right.
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>> beck has been independent from the beginning and he's one of the rare ones who is not compromising about that, but he's very rare, i don't know if it's going to make any different. >> we've all been trying to figure out whether he's softening or hardening. usually not that hard to tell. let's listen to one more thing he said tonight about this talking about how people who are here now, without documentation, might or might not ever get to a legalized status, let's listen to this with anderson cooper. >> there's no path to legalization. >> unless people leave the country, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> there's no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> if you haven't committed the crime and you've been here for 15 years, will you be deported. >> we're going to see what
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happens when we strenten our border. >> that's the path to some kind of legal status. it's gibberish, really rs let's just see what happens. it seems the one thing he wants retreat from is building that wall. >> they were clearly trying to get a retreat from that in all of the written speeches, the wall was never mentioned and what was happening is, the impatient audience at a certain point will start chanting about the wall, and he would ad lib the wall stuff. the wall is now back in in writing, that's what they're clinging to. >> and now we see from that
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little bit and in his interview tonight, in general, with cooper, that the the wall has like magical powers it's going to somehow solve the immigration issue. people will go, they'll come. it's not a policy. but we all know that, don't we. doesn't everyone, including his supporters, including the. >> the thing that might be the most important thing about the complete reversal. >> even if for only two days, the complete reversal and mass deportation is, doesn't that say to everyone he's capable of a complete reversal on anything. >> exactly, i think that's always been true. >> but the true believers never got to see that so clearly last week. >> i hope you're right about that, i still feel call me cynical or jaded. >> i would never. >> i would say the true
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believers, we've seen pieces like in the washington post where the true believers in trump rally, we don't really believe he's going to build the wall. he's standing up for us. we know mexico won't pay for it. he's just our guy and the details don't matter and i guess -- my guess is they err saying the same thing tonight in spite of this spectacular flip flop on his number one issue, the issue that made him. >> how do you think the new trump campaign management team is doing so far, in their almost full week of the job? >> they're geniuses. what you see obviously, we see the influence of kelly ann con way because he's giving these speeches. >> she got two days of softening. >> she got him saying i want to explain white audiences why we should be nice to black people who live utterly policy.
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>> yeah, and we see what happens. i'm curious to see the polling maybe five days from now to check the effects of the softening and see what trump's reaction to that is. >> they are his words, he's the one who has introduced what some people consider the pornographic segments of the show. thank you very much. >> coming up, in the rewrite tonight, a protest by native americans in north dakota reminds us of the history americans always try to forget.
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the "wall street journal" surveyed all of the living former members of the white house council of economic advisers. among the 17 republican
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appointees who responded to journal inquiries, none said they supported donald trump. six other republican point tees did not respond, none of the democratic said they were supporting. roth said i have known, personally, every republican president since richard nixon, they all showed a real understanding, donald trump does not have that understanding. also, today, george w. bush told msnb andrea mitchell why he has endorsed hillary clinton. >> i know it's a controversial decision, but, you know, this comment about the off right -- it's not just a buzz word. they're antiimmigrant, populism. right now is the country and not
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campaign for martin o'malley's 2016 presidential campaign. which way is donald trump going. i want to stop using those words that he's chosen, what do you think is happening here. >> well, look, every week we hear about donald trump pivot, what he actually does is a 360 turn, it's always like the spinning around like a bobble head going up and down up and down up and down. look, what he's really doing is he's pandering to the white voters, right. that's what he's doing. he's not going after the black vote or latino vote. he's pandering to the independent moderate voters who he's hemorrhaging with. and what -- the attempt is to wash away month's worth of racist bigoted sexist rhetoric and policies that he's put forth. here is the problem, he's singing to the same choir, his
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own choir and the congregation is not listening to his nonsense. >> katie, from the softening to the hardening, to maybe the softening, whatever it is. what does it tell us about what's going on inside the trump war room with banno, with kellyann. >> i think clearly they've found out part of the reason he's slipped so badly his rhetoric has turned off the kind of voters that republicans need in order to win general elections. it's amusing to me after the primary we went through, this candidate that many of the republican primary voters are now articulating the position that marco rubio, jeb bush, john kasich and other reasonable conservatives were articulating and these republicans rejected it, calling it all kind of things it wasn't. any of those candidates would be winning a general election right now.
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>> let's listen to donald trump tonight, basically, saying -- trying to sound really tough as he's switching right into the marco rubio jeb bush position on this, talking about how he will never apologize, let's listen to this. >> i will never apologize for pledging to force and uphold every single law of the united states. i will never apologize for making it my -- and this is, i will tell you, for making it my
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dakota means friend, friendly, the people who gave that name to the dakotas have
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sadly never been treated as friends. the people whose language was used to name the dakotas and minnesota an iowa, oklahoma, ohio, connecticut, massachusetts and other states the native american tribes. the people who are here before us long before us have never been treated as friends, they have been treated as enemies and dealt with more harshly than any other enemy in any of this country's wars. after all of our major wars, we signed peace treaties and lived by those treaties after world war ii when we made peace with germany, we then did everything we possibly could to rebuild germany. no native american tribe has ever been treated, as well, as we treated germans after world war ii. donald trump and his supporters now fear the country being invaded by foreigners who want to change our way of life, a fear that native americans have lived with every day for over
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500 years. the original sin of this country is that we invaders shot and murdered our way across the land killing every native american we could and making treaties with the rest. this country was founded on genocide before the word was -- before there was tribunal. when we finally stopped actively killing native americans for the crime of living here before us, we then proceeded to violate every treaty we made with the tribes every single treaty. we piled crime on top of crime on top of crime against offense against us was simply they lived where we wanted to live. we don't feel the guilty of those crimes because we pretend they happened a very long time
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ago, in an comment history and we actively suppress the memories of those crimes, but there are people alive today whose grandparents were in the business of killing native americans, that's how recent these crimes are. every once in a while, there's a painful and embarrassing reminder as there was this week in north dakota near the reservation, where hundreds of people have gathered and camped out in opposition to a pipeline being built from north dakota to illinois. the protest is being led by this country original environmentalist, native americans. for hundreds of years they were our only environmentalist, the only people who thought that land and rivers should be preserved in their natural state, the only people who thought a mountain or a prairie or river could be a sacred place. yesterday a federal judge heard arguments from the tribe against the approval of the pipeline and
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said he would render his position on when the pipeline can proceed next month. that protest will surely continue even if the judge allows construction to proceed and so we face the process next month of the desen dents, of the first people to ever set foot on that land, be arrested by the desen dents of the invaders who seized that land arrested for trespassing, that we still have native americans left to be arrested for trespassing on their own land is testament, not to the mercy of the genocidal invaders who seized and occupied their land, but to the stunning strength and the 500 years of endurance and the undying
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good evening. i'm chris matthews in boston. hillary clinton and donald trump escalated their attacks. the weapon of choice, race. hours ago, hillary clinton accused trump of embracing racists and white nationalists. >> he promoted the racist lie that president obama is not really an american citizen, part of a sustained effort to delegitimize america's first black president. we all remember when trump said a distinguished federal judge born in indiana could not be trusted to do his job because quote, he's a mexican. when asked in a nationally televised interview whether he would disavow the support of david duke, a former grand wizard of the ku klux klan,


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