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sayonara. "hardball with chris matthews" is next. i know you are but what am i? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm joy reid. donald trump and hillary clinton continued to trade blows today over charges of racism and bigotry a day after clinton accused trump of encouraging and stoking racist voices. calling in to morning joe today, she said trump is taking hate groups and making them mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. >> from the start, he has built
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his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. he's questioned the citizenship of president obama. he has a disturbing pattern of courting white supremacists. he's been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color. he's attacked a judge for his mexican heritage. he's promised mass deportation force and what i want to make clear is this. a man with a long history of racial discrimination who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and these kind of white supremacist, white nationalist, anti-semitic groups should never run our government our command our military. >> for his part, donald trump doubled down on calling clinton a bigot. here he is last night on cnn. >> she is a bigot. because you look at what's happening to the inner cities, you look at what's happening to african-americans and hispanics
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in this country, where she talks all the time, she's talking, look at the vets where she said the vets are being treated essentially just fine, that it's overexaggerated what's happening to the vets not so long ago. >> how is she bigoted? bigoted is having hatred toward a particular group. >> because she's selling them down the tubes. because she's not doing anything for those communities. she talks a good game. >> you're saying she has hatred or dislikes the black people? >> her policies are bigoted because she knows they're not going to work. >> you are saying she's personally bigoted. >> she is. of course she is. they're her policies. >> all that and it's not even labor day. with 74 days to go before the election, where can things possibly go from here? jonathan capehart is an opinion writer for "the washington post." david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones. robert costa is national political reporter for "the washington post" and all are msnbc political analysts. robert, you have now had the direct tying of the alt-right and right nationalist sort of elements to donald trump by hillary clinton and the trump
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campaign, are they surprised, nonplussed? what is their reaction to the fact that republicans have not come forward to refute what hillary clinton is saying? >> what we have seen from the trump campaign in recent days is an effort to try to improve trump's numbers with minority voters, talk about upcoming outreach to black voters in particular as well as latino voters and those overtures have come in the way trump has been talking about softening possibly his immigration stance. what we're seeing is the trump campaign with a new leadership team trying to adjust to the barrage that's coming from brooklyn and from secretary clinton and it's going to continue to come. they know that. >> robert, do they, are they reaching out to members of the rnc? you have sean spicer working part-time out of trump tower. are they expecting elected republicans to come forward and defend him, because so far, chuck todd has called it the sound of silence. >> it's a fair assessment. based on my reporting, joy, the rnc is intertwined with the
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trump campaign with sean spicer and reince priebus financially, politically, they are all in the same boat. they will ride it until november. when it comes to capitol hill and the vulnerable house members for the gop, the vulnerable senate races, they are much more reluctant to come out now with just 75 days before the election and to engage in any kind of defensive effort for donald trump, especially on an issue like race. >> yeah. absolutely. donald trump calling hillary clinton a bigot by the way. didn't sit well with some of his supporters. dr. ben carson told the daily beast today i don't generally get into the name calling thing. i kind of left that behind in the third grade. i certainly don't encourage it because the issues that we're facing are incredibly important for us and for the future generations and he threw in, that's what people do when they don't have anything to talk about. meanwhile, sean spicer, the chief strategist and communications director for the rnc, who has indeed been working out of trump tower part-time as part of the coordinated campaign had this to say earlier on msnbc. >> do you think hillary clinton's a bigot?
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>> no. i mean, i think some of the policies that she's supported have not helped the african-american but i think anybody who knows me, i just don't tend to use certain words but again, i'm not -- so i don't -- that's not something that i might personally say, no. >> why go after saying she's a bigot? many people have said it just doesn't make sense. >> well, i think he looks at when she has said about him and he's looked at the policy and he's concluded that this is how he's going to label her. that's up for him. he's running for president of the united states. >> jonathan capehart, the i know you are but what am i strategy does work in grade school, the i'm rubber, you're glue, et cetera. but you saw the plain discomfort of sean spicer who is now working with ydonald trump tryig to elect him president. your opinion that republicans writ large have said absolutely nothing in defense of donald trump as he's being labeled this way by hillary clinton? >> because it's difficult to defend the indefensible. this is a man who has run a campaign for 14 months, from the
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moment he got off that down escalator and stepped to the microphones in trump tower in the lobby on june 16, 2015, he said mexicans are rapists and it went further downhill from there, seemingly every week of his campaign for the next 14 months. so if you are a republican and this person is now the nominee of your party, and the democratic nominee lays out a brief against your nominee, and -- that are based on facts, there's no way, you can't even refute. why would you put yourself out in front to defend, like i said, to defend the indefensible? >> meanwhile, yesterday hillary clinton did cite other examples, twisting the knife a little more. republican leaders in the past who stood up to racist elements in their own party. let's take a listen. >> 20 years ago, when bob dole accepted the republican nomination, he pointed to the exits in the convention hall and
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told any racists in the party to get out. the week after 9/11, george w. bush went to a mosque and declared for everyone to hear that muslims love america just as much as i do. in 2008, john mccain told his own supporters that they were wrong about the man he was trying to defeat. senator mccain made sure they knew barack obama, he said, is an american citizen and a decent person. we need that kind of leadership again. >> so david corn, this definitely feels like triangulation ju jetsu. you have hillary clinton saying come to me, republicans, because separating them from donald trump even as they are silently i guess walking away from him. what do you make of it? >> we reached a pretty absurd situation when donald trump gets out there and says hillary
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clinton's a bigot, she's a bigot. you know she's a bigot. she's a bigot. like you're a bigot, joy, i'm a bigot, maybe even robert's a bigot. it's just a word he uses. the media has to sort of cover it. today the candidates traded charges about who's a bigot. when actually, it's his record that's been sort of on trial and we keep, i keep reminding people that before he got to the nomination, he was known for being the champion of birtherism which was a racist charge. it's been race all along from him whether it's immigration or attacking and trying to delegitimize the first black president. yet we are still trying to figure out how to deal with a person who is acting like a crazy man. i don't know how else to put it. because his interview with anderson cooper last night, you saw it again and again, anderson said you may not like her policies, but does that make her a bigot? yes. she's a bigot. there's no logic here and
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there's no way as jonathan said that republicans can defend it and the question people like sean spicer is okay, you're not going to defend the use of this word and won't use it yourself but why are you still with trump, how can you countenance a nominee like this. >> and robert, the term bigot, calling hillary clinton that, that was not an off the cuff donald trump remark. it was actually written into his prepared remarks. he read it off the teleprompter. so talk a little bit about this. hillary clinton has made an issue of steve bannon, who is now the ceo of the trump campaign, the alt-right sort of one of the kind of features of it is turning this idea of racism back on people of color, back on liberals, back on democrats, it's something even andrew breitbart was into. who is not running this message? is this donald trump leading a message where he wants to go in on hillary clinton and attempt to tie her to racism, or is this that alt-right faction in his campaign leading him around? >> there are intense discussions around donald trump about how to proceed with his candidacy, with his message.
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it's not being dominated by a particular person but there's an orbit around him, rudy giuliani, steve bannon, new jersey governor christie, kellyanne conway, and it's about who's with him at trump tower, who's on the phone with him, who's on the plane with him. these people are telling him on some fronts to moderate and soften his pitch. others like sessions are more reflective of that populist nationalist core of the trump campaign. this is something trump navigated like he's in the political dark trying to figure out how to win without losing who he is with this campaign. >> that actually is kind of alarming because it sounds like trump is sort of being blown by the winds whichever direction they are blowing strongest inside of his inner circle. is there a coherent core here or is this a campaign that's sort of being led by the loudest voice in the moment? >> but that gets to the key thing. you used the right word. core. you don't get blown around, you don't get swayed from one minute to the other if you have a solid core. if you have a foundation that
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you believe in. his signature issue has been immigration, build the wall, deport 11 million people. today, could someone please explain to me exactly what his immigration plan is because it's hardened, it's softened, it's gone away, it's come back, all within the space of four days. so if he can't stick to his core message, if he plays the room and tries to figure out what the room wants to hear in terms of getting applause or getting laughter, well then you are going to go wherever they want to hear so one day we are not going to build the wall, i'm not going to build a wall, next day it's you know what, no one's applauding for me. let's build the wall, and you get the cheers. to me, it seems like donald trump and his campaign is in a very desperate moment, so desperate that his immigration plan is nonsense and this
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outreach to african-americans and latino voters quite frankly is a fool's errand at this point. >> robert, you are covering this campaign from the inside. what is the immigration policy? at one point i think he asked the audience to applaud for whether they want him to do deportations or not. he's actually polling the audience to get his policy. do you know at this point what the donald trump immigration plan is? >> what we are watching in real-time and we experience this every day as reporters, is a candidate who hitched himself to this populist right wing element of the republican party more than a year ago and has ever since really associated with that wing and embraced that wing. but that wing has never been who trump really is. it hasn't been something he's cultivated throughout his life or during his political career. it's something he found, he embraced and has held on to but now in this final chapter of the campaign, he's going back and rethinking does he really need to embrace this populist right wing part of the party as much as he has. >> i'm going to give the last
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word to david corn, because robert is much more polite about calling them populist and right wing. everyone sort of understands what breitbart and steve bannon are and they are alt-right. he claims to be alt-right. would you agree that donald trump doesn't have a natural affinity with them? >> well, i think certainly from the birther days on, which we now have four or five years here, he has had a natural affinity. i think the big issue here is that donald trump i think ultimately doesn't care about anything other than donald trump. after a year of talking about immigration, he doesn't know what his policy is. he doesn't seem to be even interested in figuring out what to do about 11 million people here. he thought he had an answer. now he doesn't know. he's not talked about policy, he says he's going to fix the education system, fix the inner cities. he doesn't really care. it's just about presentation and about donald trump. the one thing he cares about are polls and how well he's doing,
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how many people at the rallies. those are the details you get from a donald trump speech. nothing about policy or anything that matters to anybody else. >> yeah. i think jonathan is right, he also cares about applause. if he cares about polls he can't be having a good week because they ain't looking good. thank you guys very much. coming up, minority report. we will take a look back at trump's week in outreach efforts and see whether his apparent attempts to woo minority voters has any chance at all of succeeding. plus alt-right. what is this movement exactly? and does it have ties to the trump campaign? i have two reporters with all the details. and flip or flop? where does donald trump stand on immigration? the answer gets more confusing every day. we will try to unpack the statements made by the candidate who based his campaign on building a wall and making mexico pay foirt. finally, friday night, the roundtable will tell us something we don't know.
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welcome back to "hardball." donald trump continues his pitch to black and hispanic voters or white suburban voters by way of voters of color, depending on your point of view, with a pitch centering on the one liner what have you got to lose? >> you see it all the time. the inner cities. parents walking with their beautiful child when they get shot. they're shot. their child is shot. often killed.
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folks, what do you have to lose? >> to those hurting and suffering, and left behind, i say what do you have to lose by trying something new? what do you have to lose by voting for donald trump for president? >> you could go to war zones in countries that we're fighting and it's safer than living in some of our inner cities. they're run by the democrats. what the hell do you have to lose? give me a chance. i'll straighten it out. i'll straighten it out. >> but according to a recent nbc online tracking poll, only 8% of black voters and 22% of hispanic voters support trump. of course, he's making these pitches in front of nearly all white audiences while avoiding opportunities to speak directly to communities of color. today, hillary clinton released an ad criticizing trump's approach. >> i have a great relationship with the blacks. i have always had a great
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relationship with the blacks. >> what the hell do you have to lose? >> for more, i'm joined by sean jackson, trump supporter and chairman of the republican caucus of florida and hector sanchez, chairman of the national hispanic leadership agenda. gentlemen, thank you for being here. sean, i want to start with you. you are from florida. i lived in florida for quite a long time. would you consider the majority of black communities to be essentially urban hell holes the way donald trump has described them? >> well, joy, with all due respect, i don't think you can say mr. trump has classified all black communities as quote unquote, urban hell holes. but it is apparent that whenever you go into inner cities across florida and i myself was born and raised in the inner city, specifically in west palm beach, florida, you can see a lot of blight. the sad part about it is you know what, a lot of municipalities like -- that have areas within cities like that such as west palm beach are all democratically ran municipalities. from trump has a very valid
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point. >> let me ask you this question. do you think that saying, he has really only talked about communities of color as being places that are hellscapes in his description. you get shot, you can't walk down the street, he's made it sound like there's really no good taking place in urban communities. you yourself have had some challenges with the way the trump campaign has outreached to black voters in florida. you were ushered out of a donald trump rally or not allowed to be backstage. you have said on the record that you felt that his campaign manager in florida doesn't know anything about black outreach and doesn't care about it. are you saying the trump outreach effort makes sense? >> so let's be clear. i was not ousted out of the trump rally, number one. number two, there's nothing uncommon about anyone whether it be in the trump campaign or the clinton campaign, for that matter, having differences of opinion with various staffers. yes, i had a difference of opinion at one point with a senior staffer. however, she and i worked very well and very closely together to make sure we do deliver the black vote for mr. trump in november. >> that's different from what you have been saying about that
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outreach effort in the past. you recently told the miami new times, your quote, i have been saying repeatedly that you cannot go into a black community in the ninth hour of a campaign and ask them to vote for a gop candidate. you have to have a vested interest in time and in your financial effort for the whole campaign, not just the last hundred days. have you chaipnged your mind abt that? >> are you absolutely right. mr. trump has a clear vested interest in the black community. hence the reason why you hear him talking so much about how he wants to go into inner city communities that have all the blight and the crime. >> how come he hasn't done so? he's been running for president for a year. he's only spoken to white audiences. >> he's in the process of doing that now just as hillary clinton is in the process of repudiating everything mr. trump says by trying to make him out to be the bigot. the truth of the matter is when mr. trump made it clear she was a bigot, you know what -- >> you think hillary clinton is a bigot? >> is that the word i would use? probably not. however, her tendencies over the years have aligned up with the phrase bigot.
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>> so you do think hillary clinton is a bigot. in your view. >> i said that -- >> that's what you just basically said. >> joy, i said the things she has done in her 27 year career as a politician have aligned up with that term bigot. >> that's very interesting. all right. so you are on board with donald trump's basically description of hillary clinton as a bigot. hector sanchez -- >> no, joy, what i am on board with is the fact that hillary clinton has called black men super predators and work alongside her husband bill clinton to incarcerate more black men in the history of law in this nation's history. that's what i'm on board with. >> mr. sanchez, i want you to get in as well. >> thank you for the invitation. let me start by saying we have a very serious concern as a community with this constant attacks on latinos, all this constant bigotry towards our community. it's because it's having a real impact in our community. hate crimes against latinos in the nation is increasing, racial
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profiling against latinos is increasing in the nation. so we can see that all these rhetoric and all these attacks on our community are really affecting and increasing this so we are asking and demanding candidate trump to stop the attacks on our community and come to the table, meet with us. he really wants to meet with the most important latino leaders in the nation, he really wants to discuss real policy priorities that they will, a nonpartisan table, national hispanic leadership agenda, we invite him to come here, we invite him to tell us where he stands on all the policy priorities that we have in our public policy agenda and that's where we want to take this discussion. we are very concerned about his stance on immigration. what are they? build a wall? deport 11 million workers? let me tell you about those 11 million undocumented workers. entire sectors of the economy depend on the hard work of these
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families. i have seen the conditions of these workers. i have witnessed and seen the conditions in the hotels, in the factories and the different industries that depend on these hard workers. so when they say that they are stealing from other people, i say nobody should work under these condition, with constant violation of civil rights and human rights are happening. it's time to come to the table, it's time to have real solid policy discussions and it's time to really win the latino vote. we are inviting all the campaigns to discuss, come to talk to us. some of the campaigns have been extremely responsive and engaging of the process. >> you haven't had -- let me ask you this quick question. george w. bush did actually quite well, he got 44% of the latino vote and you only had 22% among hispanic community or 27% for mitt romney. how much damage do you think very briefly that donald trump is doing with hispanic voters with the rhetoric that you have described? >> it's very clear damage. as i say, his rhetoric has had
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serious negative impact in our community but it's the beauty of democracy. we invite the president jamb cann candidates to engage with us. we invite the clinton campaign to respond, they responded. we are asking mr. trump to come understand our policy priorities and we are asking him to respond to a questionnaire we are going to release to latino voters in the nation. >> we will try to keep up with you. sean, one of the other issues is surrogates. you talked about some of the past comments hillary clinton has made that she's actually apologized for. not sure if donald trump has apologized for some of his past comments. let's talk about -- hold on a second. governor paul page has come under fire. he was accused of making racially insensitive comments saying photos he's collected of drug dealers in maine show that more than 90% of them are black or hispanic. when a democratic lawmaker questioned the remarks, the
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governor left an explicit message on his voice mail. take a listen. >> this is governor paul richard lepage. i would like to talk to you about your comments about my being a racist, you [ bleep ] and -- i want to talk to you. you want -- i want you to prove that i'm a racist. i've spent my life helping black people and you little son of a -- socialist [ bleep ] i need you to just, i want you to record this and make it public because i am after you. thank you. >> later this afternoon the governor did apologize for the vulgarity in that voice mail. sean, do you think it would help donald trump to repudiate and distance himself from people like governor lepage, joe arpaio, rudy giuliani who are so toxic to people of color? >> let me respond to hector because i find it very offensive he is so misleading.
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mr. trump made it very clear and has taken a lot of time in recent weeks to court the hispanic community. >> hold on a second. we will let him talk but i want you to answer my question quickly first. do you think donald trump should repudiate people like governor lepage who made disparaging remarks about african-americans, should repudiate people like rudy giuliani, who is his adviser who the african-american community feels has been nothing but hostility toward particularly african-americans, should he repudiate people like that if he wants to do this outreach? >> what i will say, joy, is that no one, yourself included, should be holding mr. trump acuntable or responsible for the words that come out of other persons' mouths. >> but you just a moment ago tried to hold hillary clinton responsible for her husband's policy when he was president. for her husband's policy. you said she incarcerated, you said she incarcerated millions of african-americans. when did she do that? >> joy, when you go back to mrs. clinton's comments over the years -- >> did she incarcerate millions of african-americans? you wanted to hold her responsible for that policy.
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>> joy, you know, with all due respect, it's commentary like this that is part of the ugly discourse. you know as well as i do that mrs. clinton over the years made it quite clear she supported, protected and defended her husband's legislation. >> as did half of the congressional black caucus. >> if she was so apologetic for supporting that legislation -- >> as did the congressional black caucus. >> she would have made it a point to introduce and create legislation that would have counteracted what her husband's policies put in place. >> let me work sean back in. i want to very quickly, you have not yet answered my question whether or not yes or no, you think donald trump should repudiate people who are associated with him who make bigoted statements, quite frankly to include the alt-right that's in his campaign. should he repudiate that, yes or no. then we will let hector back in. >> like i said, i already answered the question. >> okay. you say no. all right. let's go on. >> don't put words in my mouth. thank you. >> well, good. let's move on. >> we are very worried with some
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of the people that are working with the trump campaign. you mentioned some of the names. sheriff arpaio. the republican convention, just hearing some of these divisive messages, these constant attacks against or community, against immigrants, against latinos, against minorities. it's not the kind of nation that we want and it's not the kind of nation that we are. we need real solid policy proposals. we need to understand where the campaign stands on immigration reform. there is going to be a speech on immigration reform. we want to understand exactly where they are. do we have a bill that we can consider like bipartisan bill. what is going to happen with dopa and daca, with all the fantastic undocumented workers we have in the nation. what are the economic policies, education, et cetera. those are the questions we need to be answering instead of getting in all this ugly debate. that's not the kind of nation we want. but i can tell you something very clear.
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at a time when the latino community is under attack, civic participation is the response. we are going to come out in historical numbers and i can tell you that we are organizing our communities all over the nation and this is going to be an historical election for the latino vote. >> it is going to be a very interesting -- we are out of time. thank you both. we will have you both back. thank you very much. coming up, the alt-right has made headlines this week in the presidential campaign and we look at just who this group is and what they want. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there's only one place where real and amazing live. book a seaworld vacation package and eat free.
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i'm ayman mohyeldin. new guidance comes as florida is dealing with an increasing threat from the zika virus. secretary of state john kerry says the u.s. and russia may be closing in on a deal to end the war in syria. the cease-fire agreement would allow for humanitarian aid and a political transition. italian officials now say the death toll from an e earthquake has risen to 281. a state funeral will be held tomorrow for several of the victims. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." donald trump's new campaign ceo doesn't come from your traditional school of political
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strategists. steve bannon, the chair of breitbart media, has bragged that his online news site is the go-to place for the alt-right. the term that before the last couple of weeks, most americans had never even heard of. sara posner of mother jones interviewed bannon this summer and writes we are the platform for the alt-right bannon told me proudly when i interviewed him at the republican national convention in july. the group disavowed by most major conservative outlets, the alt-right has been bannon's target audience ever since he took over breitbart news from its late founder, andrew breitbart four years ago. under bannon's leadership the site has plunged into the fever swamps of conservatism, cheering white nationalist group as an eclectic mix of renegades, accusing president obama of importing more hating muslims and waging a war against the purveyors of political correctness. what exactly is the alt-right? sara posner is an investigative reporter and author of that story. benji sarlin is a political
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reporter for msnbc. thank you for being here. i will talk a little more about steve bannon but benji, just give us a working definition of alt-right. >> so the trouble is that it's sort of a loose term. it's not like it's one organization with a leader. so it includes a lot of different groups. the term itself comes under a specific group of white nationalists who have this kind of general war on multi culturalism, on immigration, groups that combat hate like antidefamation league, southern poverty law center, they pretty much say they are the same as white supremacists. they would slightly disagree with this. it also includes people who generally rail against political correctness or feminism or you know, it includes subsets like for example, gamer gate which is young white men mostly who are upset there's too many minorities and women invading their video games. it could be a very broad term. >> yeah. i guess the big sort of issue with them is that they target traditional conservatism and republicanism as sort of weakening white culture, i guess you would say. >> yeah. their idea is that there's all these taboo topics they wants to
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bring up but you can't talk about because republicans are too squeamish about issues of race, religion and identity. this could include people who are upset kind of extreme anti-sharia activists, who think there's a muslim conspiracy everywhere. it could include people who are worried about demographic changes as a result of immigration and say republicans won't talk about this. you get a wide bunch of people under that rubric. >> one of these interesting sort of aspects of it that i think a lot of people have been alarmed by is this perception there's a lot of antisemitism linked to it along with the anti-multi culturalism, antiimmigration fervor. give us the background in that. >> well, ben shapiro, who was editor at large at breitbart until earlier this year, after he left breitbart, he was assaulted on twitter and other venues with anti-semitic really horrible send you to the ovens kind of rhetoric and imagery on twitter which is also something other jewish journalists
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including other jewish conservative journalists have experienced from the alt-right online. and shapiro even had after the birth of his second child, he tweeted out the news of the birth of his child and somebody tweeted at him to the ovens with the four of you, your entire family. i asked bannon about that when i met with him in cleveland in july and instead of saying something like i'm sorry that this happened to my former employee, ben shapiro, he kind of dismissed it and said that shapiro was a whiner. so -- i feel like this has not been addressed by the alt-right or by breitbart or by the trump campaign, if you recall the journalist julia yaffey wrote a profile of melania trump in gq several months ago and received a similar treatment on twitter and on the phone and e-mail. when melania trump was asked
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about it, she said these people had been provoked by yaffey. >> there's an international sort of component to it as well. let's play a little bit of nigel farrage who led the brexit fight stumping for trump in you wiall in mississippi. >> we reach those people who have never voted in their lives but believe by going out and voting for brexit, they could take back control of their country, take back control of their borders and get back their pride and self-respect. >> are there deliberate connections between groups, even the putin-ite factions around the world and the alt-right in. >> there's definitely a global international component to this. here, these have been kind of fringe groups but we had expressions of this in europe for a long time in far right parties. one figure is very popular in the alt-right is a politician who is called for banning the
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koran and deporting muslims en masse. there are a lot of expressions of it in europe who are imported. a bit of a global exchange program between extremists abroad and at home. >> very interesting. we could talk for hours about it because the putin fetish. it's now part of the republican party so that's great. thank you both. coming up, flip or flop. donald trump's changing stance on immigration seems to have confused supporters and critics alike. we take a look back in the week of trump next. you inherit lots of traits from your family. my ancestor, lady beatrice, introduced the elizabethan ruff. great-grandfather horatio went west during the gold rush. and aunt susan was a a world champion. i inherited their can-do spirit. and their double chin. now, i'm going to do something about it. kybella® is the first of its kind injectable treatment that destroys fat under the chin, leaving an improved profile. kybella® is an fda-approved non-surgical treatment for adults with a moderate amount of fullness...
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they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty as such. there's no amnesty. >> right. >> but we work with them. >> i've had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me and they've said mr. trump, i love you, but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and
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throw them and the family out, it's so tough. >> so if you haven't committed a crime and you have been here for 15 years, you have a family here, you have a job here, will you be deported? >> we are going to see what happens once we strengthen up our border but there's a very good chance the answer could be yes. we will see what happens. >> welcome back to "hardball." as you can see there, over the course of the week, donald trump has sent mixed signals when it comes to his stance on immigration. confusing supporters and opponents alike. so what is trump's position and does it matter to his supporters if it's changed? just this hour, trump called in to fox news and here's his answer when asked whether he believes in amnesty and whether he's softening his tone. >> do you believe in amnesty and are you softening your tone? >> my stance is very strong. it's going to remain very strong. there will be no amnesty. there's no legalization. we are going to build a wall. it's going to be a tremendous powerful wall. we are going to have great technology along with the wall and we are going to stop people
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from coming in. day one we're going to get all of the gang members and the gang leaders and the drug dealers and all of these people that have illegally crossed and they have been in our country, we are going to get them out very very very fast. and we will number one, i have to secure and we have to secure the border. we are going to secure the border like it's never been secured before. we are going to stop the drugs from coming in. we are going to stop certain people, criminal elements, from coming in, and then we shall see what we shall see. >> and with me now, tonight's roundtable, kate lynn burns, jamil smith, and jeanin -- jeannie zano, strategy adviser for applied economics. of course, i asked you that right before and mess it up. i jinxed myself. okay, giggly over here that's laughing to my right, donald trump went from the softening to saying it's not a softening, it's a hardening.
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he is now strong and has got a strong and powerful wall. do you now understand the powerful and strong strategy of the man who is no longer softening? >> i don't think anybody does. there is no strategy here. frankly, what he's doing is simply giving signals to his base that he's strong whenever there's any kind of perception of weakness. because this whole campaign is built on the toxic masculine ideal of strength. so any time you use any kind of perceived weakness, he has to show some strength. there's nothing about policy here. it's just about perception. >> i have to turn to you on this. you are our strategist at the table. when you are advising a candidate and they are building a brand essentially which is what politics is, you did have this sort of tug-of-war that's apparent inside of trump world. you have the kellyanne conway faction saying he needs to be softer, needs to appeal to women. so he did the softening. he said the words it's a softening. now he seems to have recoiled from all of the i guess the rest of us sort of giggling and saying the softening over and over and over again and he now
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hears what sounds like weakness and sort of the alt-right part of his world is pulling him back toward trying to be strong and macho, saying it's a powerful wall. is there a way to do both things in one strategy? >> kellyanne conway has to be hitting her head against the wall at this point that she's got him out there saying that he is going to take -- be a softer gentler donald trump one day and several hours later, he has changed his mind because there's nothing donald trump likes less than being criticized. so the minute he was criticized, you saw him as you mentioned recoil. but i would just say we should all take a step back and look at what he's done. this is somebody who claimed not to be a politician, to be an outsider. he spent the last year threatening 12 million people that he was going to rip them from their families and send them away, put them in jail. they were going to be gone. now all of a sudden, for political reasons only, because there's no other reason he would do this, he has now changed his mind twice in the last 48 hours. that is politics through and through. it is a sdisaster for a
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strategist and for kellyanne conway and this campaign. >> it is difficult because when we were waiting for a speech it was supposed to take place on thursday where he would lay out his strategy ostensibly. now that's been delayed. they say it's coming in the next few weeks. do you detect within the campaign, is there an internal debate over whether he should do the softening or not do the softening or is donald trump just not clear on what he wants to do? >> i think donald trump is not clear on what he wants to do. i actually wouldn't be surprised if they kept this kind of ambiguous so you have kind of the two pillars of his plan. you have the wall pertaining to border security. he's been adamant about that, keeping up that chant. but on the issue of deportation, he has been i think intentionally ambiguous or at least that's the advice coming from his campaign, because you have of course republican primary voters who supported him in the primary. pew research found only 60% of those adamant trump supporters associate immigrants with criminality. and so that's kind of where he's going with the crime issue. then of course, you have a
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majority of republicans who didn't support trump in the primary so people who supported cruz and kasich was the last time this was measured. they did not support the deportation efforts. >> he's trying to walk that back. >> those are such hard things to reconcile for this candidate in particular. >> the roundtable is sticking with us. up next, these three will tell me something i don't know. ♪ i'm going to make this as simple as possible for you. you can go ahead and stick with that complicated credit card that limits where you earn bonus ca back. or... you can get the quicksilver card from capital one. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on ev-e-ry purchase, i shouldn't have to ask. wh's in your walt? what would help is simply being able to recognize a fa price. truecar has pricing data on every make and model, so all you have to do is search for the car you want,
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time for a.m. joy. tomorrow we have the man who had the interesting phone call from paula page. plus more on the alt-right. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> he has built his campaign to prejudice and paranoia, helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. >> hillary clinton keeps warning america, and republicans not named trump aren't really objecting. >> we haven't seen prominent republicans stand up and defend him in the last 24 hours. why do you think that is? >> i don't know. i mean, congress is in recess. it's august. >> tonight the fall-out from hillary's alt-right speech and why it has left dald trum scrambling. plus, from breitbart to bridgegate, new questions about the republicans' new hires. >> we're going to use our best people. >> new questions about donald


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