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and negligent and shows her bad judgment. a brand new poll out this afternoon shows clinton up 7 on trump. that margin used to be 13 points right after the convention. so trump catching up a bit in that poll. let's start with that breaking story. huma abedin announcing she's separating from her husband. tammy leitner is following all the developments this afternoon. what do we know this hour? >> good afternoon, earlier this morning new reports that former congressman anthony weiner is is involved in yet another sexting scandal. his wife huma abedin coming out announcing they are separating. she released this statement after a long and painful consideration and work on my marriage, i have made the decision to separate from my husband. anthony and i remain devoted to doing what is best for our son, who is the light of our life. during this difficult time, i ask for respect and privacy. now anthony weiner confirmed e he has, what he is characterizing, as a friendship with this woman involving in the
scandal. the friendship began back in january 2015 and wept all the way until earlier this month. they exchanged tweets and pictures. one of those pictures was a photo of himself in bed with what appears to be his 4-year-old son. now anthony weiner has confirmed to the post that he has a friendship with this woman. he's also said to them regarding her, quote, she has asked me photo to comment except to say our conversations were private, included pictures of nieces and nephews and my son and were always appropriate, he said. he is not the only one weighing in on this today, as you know. anthony weiner's wife is the top aid to hillary clinton. donald trump issued a statement just a short while ago saying, huma is making a very wise decision. i know anthony weiner well, and she will be far better off without him. i only worry for the country in that hillary clinton was careless and negligent in allowing weiner to have such
close proximity to highly classified information. who knows what he has learned and told. it's another example of hillary clinton's bad judgment. it is possible that our country and its security have been greatly compromise d by this. that was donald trump. now we have spent the morning trying to get anthony weiner to talk to us. he has not so far. he has deactivated twitter as of early this morning. >> tammy leitner following all that, thanks. hillary clinton is off the trail today, but still a lot on her schedule behind the scenes. kristen welker has been covering the democrats this election season and joins me now. i want to ask you first about this unfortunate news we're talking about. it can't help but affect this campaign. huma abedin is at the center of that campaign. >> she certainly is. she's one of hillary clinton's top advisers. she's been with hillary clinton since she was first lady. she was an intern for hillary clinton back when she was first lady.
worked with her on her senate campaign. in the state department during her first run for president and now has been one of her closest advisers during this latest run for president. a close friend of huma abedin's giving more background saying effective ly she has been livin a a separate life from congressman weiner for some time now. in recent months she's been seen without a wedding ring. this friend says this isn't something that happened overnight. it's been building over time. she is expected to lay low today. not expected to attend that fundraiser today. she's expected to basically sit today out. no word on when she's going to return to the campaign trail. this is undoubtedly a difficult time for her and undoubtedly a difficult time for the clinton campaign. donald trump has already seized on this issue as political fouder. something that's personally painful for huma abedin during
this heated campaign season. >> you mentioned that they are out in the hamptons on long island. that's what hillary clinton is doing for the next couple days is fundraising. when do we see her publicly campaigning. >> she's going to be fundraising. huma abedin was on the hamptons since saturday with her son, with family members. that was just happenstance, according to her close friend. this is a trip they typically take every year. in terms of hillary clinton and her campaign schedule, she will be campaigning today. in recent days she's raised $11 million. so he's going to try to raise a little bit more before september starts and before she's obviously going to be on the campaign trail nonstop. e we will see her again on wednesday in cincinnati. that's when she speeches to the american legion. donald trump will speak to the american legion a day after that. >> kristen welker with hillary clinton's campaign, thank you. let's turn now to the trump campaign and plans for a major
immigration speech wednesday. hallie jackson joins e me now with that. is the plan for trump to set the record straight on immigration? >> reporter: hi there, kate. the plan for trump to set the record straight is to give this policy address apparently in phoenix, arizona, or somewhere in arizona on wednesday. trump promising this major speech. and his running mate and others on his team hinting at clarity to come. trump has been talking about delivering details on immigration policy after some muddled messaging on one of his key foundations of this policy. that is what to do with the estimated 11 million or so undocumented immigrants living in the united states. trump has long said he would put together a deportation force to remove those undocumented immigrants, but new signs that trump may be walking that back. that's the number one thing that folks in conservative circles are looking to on wednesday to see how and whether donald trump clarifies that stance.
all of it is trump picks up a new ad by in a couple states where immigration could be a big factor. places like colorado. trump's team out with that ad in places like new hampshire, iowa, nevada, $10 million in all, trump's biggest buy of the season so far. >> hallie jackson out at trump tower, thank you. for an inside take on team tr p trump, i'm joined by steve cortez, campaign surrogate and member of trump's national hispaniced ed advisory counsel. i want to start with the news of the afternoon that we led with the separation of clinton aid huma abedin. people are familiar with the story by now. trump was quick to issue a statement, as we noted at the top of the show. he thought clinton was careless and negligent in allowing anthony weiner to be close to classified information. i want to play sound from the former governor of michigan reacting to that statement.
>> that is ridiculous. i mean, i think that donald trump and everyone else should respect the privacy of huma abedin, who is, as you know, an utterly graceful, wonderful human being, who is going through a terrible situation and who has tried to keep her marriage together. i say let us respect their privacy. that is nonsense about classified information. >> she says it's ridiculous to make this about anything other than a failed marriage. your response? >> i would say in normal circumstances, this would be a sad, private family apair fair. the but the fact is huma abedin and hillary clinton decided to treat confidential, highly classified information in an incredibly cavalier manner. they operated outside of approved channels. they operated in a realm of private servers and permanently deleted e-mails. given that back. drop, it's at least reasonable to wonder, i sure hope that this
man that appears to have no skrcruples that he didn't have access to huma's information that she was using and maintaining in a reckless and careless manner. >> you have no evidence to show that he just as being her husband had any access to that classified information. >> that's correct. i'm not making any accusations. i don't think donald trump did either. when people act outside of proper authority channels, and that's not my opinion. that's fbi director comey's opinion. when they act outside of the regular channels of national security, you can ask then all sorts of questions. let's hope -- i would hope and think that huma was very careful and he didn't have any access. >> let me ask you about another issue in the news all weekend. you live in chicago. donald trump tweeted about dwayne wade's cousin and the terrible loss of this mother of four getting shot. trump's initial e reaction was a tweet saying dwayne wade's cousin was shot and killed. . just what i have been saying.
african-americans will vote trump. was he taking advantage of tragedy to try to win votes? >> i hope not. but i will admit when my candidate made a mistake. the first response should have been what a tragedy and we feel for the loss of life and for these poor children left behind. and by the way, so many thousands of people in chicago have to suffer from this same situation. but then i do think it's appropriate after that to make the point that we think we have policies in the trump campaign and republican party that can at least make these kinds of situations better and less frequent. i think it's valid to say there is a political point to be made, but probably not fresh off of the news. >> let me ask you about this speech a couple days from now. we plan to hear what you're calling a major immigration speech out of your candidate. his stance has been a moving target over the last three
weeks. we have had trouble understanding what he's going to say. can you help us get some clarity? what will he say about the e estimated 11 million people undocumented in this country? >> sure, first, just to tell you i don't know exactly what he's going to say. he hasn't shared it with me or many people. >> is he still writing it? >> i believe the decisions are made. it's just the speeches being written and not being divulged. i do think he's been incredibly consistent on immigration in general on a couple very key points. number one, we must secure the border. we must build a wall. we have to gain control of our southern border. secondly, e he said all along there can be no pathway to citizenship for those here illegally. they can't cut ahead pop. the millions who did it the right way, we can't cut the line. where there's been ambiguity, this is real leadership. he's saying we're thinking about it. we're formulating a correct
response. in regards to illegals already here. >> that's not what he said during the primaries, with all due respect. >> his position is shifting. it's shifted on this issue. and rightfully so. he listened to people on the campaign trail. he's listening to his hispanic advisory council. there's no amnesty. he's not going to come out on wednesday and say everything is fine. everyone stays. no. what i'm hope iing he says and think he will say is that there's going to be a process for those who have been here for a long time who have been working, haven't been a drain on our system, haven't been criminals, have relatives. there will be a process by which they can regular liez themselves. it will involve a lot of financial permanents and may involve a touchback. that's the humane and just way to approach immigration. i would also say this. a lot of his ppanic americans w did do it the right way e resent illegal aliens who literally cheat the line and hop in front of them.
they have to compete in the job market. that also is unfair. because every citizen should not have to compete in the labor market against illegals who almost always are willing to work for lower wages. >> yesterday donald trump challenged hillary clinton to release more detailed medical records. why doesn't he just go first? >> right, i think he may very well. but i think he brings up a good point. both of these, not just a hillary issue. both candidates are pretty old. this is a race of elderly candidates. i think donald trump's physical vigor is incredible. the schedule he keeps up i could be his son and i couldn't keep up his schedule. but it would make to the american people we have an interest in knowing whether our commander-in-chief is physically and mentally ready to assume this incredibly strenous job. full disclosure by both of them would be a good idea for the voter. i say that as an american. >> encourage your candidate to do that and get us more detailed medical records. we'll wait for that, steve. >> will do, kate. >> steve cortez, thank you so much for being with us. coming up, more on hillary
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sessions among his friends and trusted advisers and his family members about what he should do and how he should approach the debate. that's about as opposite as you say from the traditional model, which is to basically do the kind of preparation you would do for a high school or college forensics debate, which is you're going up against another person. a stand in, a an actor who is trying to play the opposing candidate as accurately as the campaign's opposition research suggests that person would be. so in other words, they are saying out loud what the campaign expects to hear from their opponent and teaching the opponent in this case, hillary clinton, how to react to that. trump isn't doing any of that. he's talking among his friends about basically how he could get under her skin. >> and e we already were joking we have to start popping the
popcorn now. this is going to be a big night. you write from a former trump adviser who tells you not only does trumpant 100 million vi viewers, he wants to be a show stopper at the roman coliseum, the main wherein at wrestle mania. given that, what is the clinton team have to opportunity. are they going to get dragged into the mud. >> they sort of throw up their hands at the kind of new york tabloid aspect of that kind of trump support, but what they think is that their approach in making sure that she's hyper prepared and ready for anything is going to win out in the end. they know to expect a lot of pretty tough stuff. there will be shopper accusations, trump will try to throw her off her game. he will include some innuendo and some suggestions that she
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nine, southwest of key west. maximum winds at 35 keeping it as a depression. but expect this to become a tropical storm in the days to come. slowly working into the gulf of mexico, we have very warm and w. we're likely to see the storm intensify to 65 mile per hour winds by the time we get to thursday morning. by the afternoon, we may be looking at a landfall into northwest florida. so big rainmaker for the entire state for days to come. it's going to be lasting to the end of the week. locally we could see 6 inches or higher. widespread rain along the gulf coast as well. if that's not enough, we have tropical depression number eight. this has residents on alert. this is for the outer banks right now. but notice the storm stays pretty weak and turns out to sea, which is great news. more of a bresh up against the outer banks. we'll be seeing wind and rain there. keep in mind how active and how
busy we are right now late august moving into early september. the peak, the heart of hurricane season. we have nine and eight and also a hurricane. this is gaston, but luckily this is well out in the atlantic and pushing out to sea. this is the beginning of an active tropical season. we have a long way to go because we're going to go well into september and october as well. >> just the beginning. thank you so much. the heavy rainfall in florida could make that state fight against the zika virus even harder. for more on that, let's turn to keri sanders down in miami beach, florida. more water on the ground increases the risk for mosquitos. what are residents doing to try to prepare? >> reporter: well, you know, as people are trying to do their best with wearing long sleeves, using repellant, we do have word just now from florida department of health that there is an additional person who has acquired zika from the local mosquitos here on miami beach.
that means there are 43 cases the state is watching. as we just heard bonnie talk about the weather, you can see the wind blowing. the skies now are beautiful. but we have had had some rain here today. that rain leads to problems. as i take you over here, we're going to look both ways because we have bikes going by. the rain we have had brings puddles. as you can see the puddles, it's here where the mosquitos breed. the city wants to make sure that they are not only showing you what is the problem, but also that they are actively doing something. so here on miami beach as we look at the botanical garden, you can see the bo tatanical gan because crews are in there with shovels and removing some of the plants that cup the water in their leaves, in their branches when the water comes down. they have gone in with shovels and dug them out and are removing them because in the pools of water, you can get the mosquitos. the governor urging everybody to
be actively involved if you're in the zika zone. >> we have seen issues, a lot of standing water. we have to have no standing water, use repellant and wear long sleeves. >> so as the governor is urge ing people to do this, the city of miami beach also digging up those. they report that most of the businesses along ocean drive here, it's a popular area on miami beach, the businesses here, the cafes, they have done their job. they are actually looking for standing water and overturning it. as the inspectors have gone around the areas that are in that zika zone, they have found 40 people or businesses that have not adhered to the regulations of making sure they get out there and actively get rid of the water. they have been fined. each person fined a thousand
dollars. so that will certainly get your attention. >> one way to hope. keri sanders, thank you. we're happy to welcome the nation's top dl doctor, he's with us. you and i connected again because of your new efforts to combat opioid abuse. but can i start with zika. they are just now confirming in florida 43 now locally transmitted cases of zika. is that state doing enough in your opinion to stop the spread? >> this is a tough problem. zika is an important public health threat our country is facing. florida has been working closely with the centers for disease control on disease control and making sure we have edadequate testing capacity. there's more that we have to do. we have to accelerate efforts around public education so people know what steps they can take to protect themselves and also doctors and nurses know how to advise patients and test.
one of the biggest things we have to do is make sure we are continuing our efforts to develop the vaccine. we have started phase one trials already. but in order to continue vax keen development, we'll need congress to provide the funds necessary. >> there have been reports just over the last few days about possible other problems being associated with this disease. not just birth defects, but maybe problems with mental capacity and memory. what do you know about how serious this illness can be? >> it might surprise people to know and that's part of the reason we are vigilant in our efforts around prevention. e we know that the zika virus causes microcephaly, which is a severe birth defects. it's just one zika can cause. that's why it's important we not only continue to study women who are impacted by zika and babies,
but we also make sure people know what steps to prevent themselves. i'll also tell you it's very important everyone understands while we are concerned about pregnant women, the responsibility for protecting pregnant women lies with everyone. that's why all of us have to protect ourselves from mosquito bites and recognize this is a sexually transmitted disease as well. >> let me switch topics. you wrote a letter to every doctor in this country. it's an unusual thing to do. you wrote it about the ode yoid epidemic. you write about doctors being part of the problem. nearly two decades ago we were encouraging to be more aggressive about treating pain often without enough training and support to do so safely. this coincided with heavy marketing to doctors. many of us doctors were even taught incorrectly that opioids are not addictive when prescribed for legitimate pain. you go on to ask doctors all over this kocountry to sign a pledge.
what did doctors need to do? >> well, this opioid crisis is one of the most important health epidemics in america. it's important all of us come together to do what we can to solve it. that includes doctors, nurse practicers, and physician assistants. the letter i sent is the first letter that has ever been sent by a surgeon general to the profession calling them to action. i did it because of the urgency of the situation. there are few specific things we are asking doctors and other practitioners to do. we are asked asking to pledge their commit m to turn the tide by going online. we're asking to ensure we are treating pain safely skpefbtively. but not prescribing opioids when not indicated. also to connect people to treatment. right now in america there are over million people who need treatment for opioid use disorder and can't get it.
we're asking clinicians around america to help change how our country thinks about addiction. it's not a moral failing, but a chronic disease that requires skill, requires compassion and must be treated with urgency. >> while i have you, another issue. the ep pi pen story as people e know the price raised up to more than $600 per pen. today we learned they are going to produce a generic brand that might be more like $300 for a pair. how does this happen? is that good enough or do we need even more regulation or something to ensure these don't cost so much money for families going back to school? >> i was appalled when i heard about the price increase. i have taken care of many patients over the years who have
relayed to me that the cost of prescription drugs have been a barrier. what we're seeing here is another example where medications that are life saving are being put of the reach of people who need them the most. it's important for us to use the negotiating power that we have as a government to get prices on drugs that are affordable for the people who need them the most. right now the government does not have much negotiating power with pharmaceutical companies. i think it's time we changed. >> so good to have you with us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. great to be with you. coming up, we'll hear from john mccain. today is his 80th birthday and how is he spending it? getting in last-minute campaigning ahead of tomorrow's arizona snalt primary. stay with us. you work at ge? yeah, i do. you guys are working on some pretty big stuff over there, right? like a new language for crazy-big, world-changing machines. well, not me specifically. i work on the industrial side. so i build the world-changing machines. i get it.
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political news out today. the primary plaza going on this week. john mccain trying to hold off primary challenger kelly ward. kelly o'donnell is covering that and traveling with mccain. how worried is senator mccain at this moment? less than 24 hours to go until polls open there. >> reporter: he's been fighting very aggressively throughout the campaign season to try to prevent a challenge from the roigt and he has a former state senator. she's a physician. she's a trump supporter. and has a lot of sort of the activity from that heated far right trump backers have supported her with campaign dollars. so mccain talks about how you have to fight every one of these races and you have to never take anything for granted. even though he's ahead in polling, he's out doing events. he was at a fire station here getting an endorsement today. so that's why we are in a fire
house here in phoenix. i also talked to him about the issue of immigration. he worked to try to resolve an issue with immigration reform. he paid a price politically for that and took a tougher line in 2010 about the fence. it has been such a part of what has lifted up donald trump. anger and frustration and concerns about immigration. so i asked him about the sort of muddled message we now see from donald trump. is he softening on immigration and mccain steered clear of trump giving us this answer. >> people judge me on john mccain. i have 100% name i.d. i've been representing them for many years. and i am confident they will judge my candidacy on their knowledge of me and i'm confident that we will win. >> are you having fun? >> sure oh sure, it's fun. >> so i also asked him today
it's his 80th birthday. that's one of the challenges raised by kelly ward. she's suggested he's spent tom years in washington and age would be a factor. the voters in arizona will make that determination. not only is arizona in congressional primary races tomorrow, but another high profile one is in florida where marco rubio, who wasn't going to run then decided he would run. he has a big race tomorrow in the primary circuit as well. >> we'll follow all of it. kelly o'donnell in phoenix, thank you. immigration on wednesday, donald trump will give what he's calling a major speech on immigration in arizona as well. the last week or so, donald trump described his plan many different ways. we want to bring in chief legal correspondent ari melber, who has been reporting on our legal system. let's break this down. starting with what he says on a path to citizenship. donald trump said no amnesty, but we'll work with them about undocumented immigrants who live
in this kocountry and aren't committing any violent crimes. is that kind of what we have seen in other recent proposals? >> bin go. that's what's been so extraordinary from a policy level. politically people saying is he moving around. policy level, when you want to work with the 10 million undocumented after you removed the bad or criminal element, that looks a lot like the gang of eight bill. that's the bipartisan republican-included proposal that path to citizenship if you meet certain requirements. >> when john mccain was involved in. >> we just heard from. and several others. that was the republican primary electorate. it's what donald trump got a lot of people to believe he was against. now maybe we'll learn more on wednesday. i would also note at a baitic level, current department of homeland security and doj policy prioritizes first the capturing and removal of criminals who would be under a million undocumented. so while trump is talking about
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it's such a horrific story. what's the latest with the investigation? >> well, the two people accused in her murder did appear in court today. both are brothers and charged with first-degree murder in her death. they are accused of shooting her on friday, as you said, 3:30 in the afternoon pushing her stroller down the street with a 3-week-old baby inside. police believe she was caught in the cross fire. the brothers were actually aiming their guns at another man who was on the street and she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. unfortunately, chicago gun violence has been out of control. dwayne wade tweeting four kids lost their mom for no reason. enough is enough. the police superintendent here in chicago is using this case to highlight a major problem with gun violence in this city. that is repeat offenders. both of these men have rap sheets and one of them had an ankle bracelet on at the time of the shooting.
he was allowed to leave his home during that time of the day. he was supposed to be looking for a job and instead got caught up in even more violence. >> blake mccoy in chicago, thank you. donald trump has been tweeting about that chicago shooting and today he made several appeals on twitter to african-american voters. now that african-americans are seeing what a bad job hillary type policy and management has done to the inner-cities, they want trump. that effort comes as a front page article in "the new york times" over the weekend looked at the trump family's real estate dealings. "the new york times" headline was "no vacancies for blacks." how dlt dth got his start and he was accused of biassed. they uncovered a long history of racial bias at his family's properties in new york and beyond. joining me now is correspondent jonathan maller who wrote that article. walk us through who didn't see it what you found.
>> basically what we discovered was that over the course of many years, more than a decade, the trump family, the trump business, which was kind of a working class housing empire in queens and brooklyn was pretty systemically turning away black tenants. and ultimately, it caught up with them and the justice department brought a lawsuit against them in 1973. ten years after the first case we found of a black tenant or perspective e tenant complaining about being turned away. >> you spoke with a rental agent for the will shire property. you also spoke with a woman who still live there is now. tell us their story. >> yeah, yeah, maxine brown, she still lives in the same apartment today she effectively fought for in 1963 and '64 when
she filed a complaint about trump and about being turned away in a building that was still being built so they clearly had vacancies. there was a hearing and after the hearing she was offered an apartment, but what was we were able to put together her story with the story that we heard from the rental agent who was a trump employee at the time who had received her application in 1963. and at the time she was single -- a single nurse. so she had a good job. making plenty of money. we spoke with a guy now 88 years old who received her application because she was black. he wasn't sure what to do. he called fred trump and he said put it in your drawer and leave it there. >> trump's general counsel alan garden said there was no merit to these allegations. they've long said that. donald trump fought against this suit you mentioned way back in the 1970s. they came to an agreement where they never admitted any
wrongdoing. >> there's an important point -- well, yeah. an important point there is that they didn't admit any wrongdoing, but they signed a consent agreement, and those consent decrees never involve admissions of wrongdoing. that's not what their admissions of guilt. that's not what they're about. they're about, from the government's point of view, about finding an efficient way to avoid protracted litigation, and to hopefully enforce some changes. >> and were there changes after that time? >> not really. i mean, ultimately, i should say there were, but in that moment after they signed the consent decree just a couple years later, the justice department came back to the trumps and said you have not changed your behavior. we still have a lot of evidence of discrimination. although it was -- it was
somewhat subtly different because they were accepting more black applicants, but they were then sending them into just a small group of buildings in particular. essentially ghettoizing them. >> we should note these were the policies of donald trump's father that we're talking about, right? >> yeah, i mean, it's an important distinction but also important not to draw too are clear a line because donald trump was effectively running the company. when the justice department brought its lawsuit against trump management, his father was the chairman of the company and donald was the president. he was running the company. while we didn't find any evidence of donald himself creating these policies, there is no question that he was effectively running the company while they were being implemented. >> jonathan mahler, thank you. it's a lengthy read. we'll post it on my twitter account. we'll be right back.
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