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hillary clinton and those english are ahead 47-41. >> i didn't know that. i do now. thank you for watching. "hardball" for now, thanks for being with us, all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in. >> this is a national crisis. >> down in the polls the quote-unquote trump outreach contin continues. >> the cousin of nba star dwyane wade, great guy, dwyane wade, was the victim of a tragic sh t shooting in chicago. >> tonight, the backlash to donald trump's racial appeal in the wake of shooting. plus, is the wall with mexico going virtual. >> who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico! >> 71 days out, the latest version of trump's immigration plan. then, the fbi's new warning
after two state election systems are penetrated by hackers. clinton camp's new questions about donald's doctor. >> and as donald trump attacks, why there's a false equivalency between anthony weiner and trump's campaign. >> i knew before they caught him with the bing bing bing. >> it all starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. after not holding a black event for a year, donald trump will appear at a predominantly african-american church saturday where he will be interviewed by be wayne t. jackson of the national christian network. this interview is not a rally or endorsement for mr. trump, an opportunity to get answers amazed
. >> these are not good for african-americans. it is doing exactly what it's designed to do. >> it comes as trump appears to be recovering from the worst death of his post convention polling slide during which he engaged in a feud with the parents of a slain u.s. soldier. >> dunn from her 13 point lead in the same poll three weeks ago. in his outreach to african-americ african-americans, trump has painted a negative portrait of the daily lives of african-americans and been wildly offensive to its audience and seems tailored to appeal to white voters but the worst possible stereotypes of black
life. in the overwhelmingly white state of iowa, he spoke about the cousin of a cousin of dwyane wade who was shot and killed while pushing her baby in a stroll stroller? just yesterday, the cousin of nba star dwyane wade, great guy, dwyane wade, was the victim of a tragic shooting in chicago. she was the mother of four, and was killed while pushing her infant child in a stroller just walking down the street. shot. it breaks all of our hearts to see it. it's horrible. it's horrible. it's only getting worse. >> that however is very different than trump's initial reaction pupon hearing the news. trump seemed to see the murder as a real political opportunity tweeting dwyane wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. just what i've been saying,
african-americans will vote trump. he had to take down and repost that tweet because he spelled dwyane wade's first name incorrectly. only after that did he tweet out condolences. inner city crime is reaching record levels. african-americans will vote for trump because they know i will stop the slaughter going on his claim inner city crime is reaching record levels is false. although it's worrying, the "washington post" says crime rates are lower and urban areas safer in the late 1990s and plummeting for decades. even though chicago is on pace to see 600 homicides this year, it is lower than the 1990s. trump claim s it would be easy o lower the murder rate telling fox news last week he knows a guy who would fix everything. >> i know police in chicago if given the authority to do it they would get it done. >> how?
>> by being very much tougher than they are right now. they're right now not tough. when i was in chicago i got to meet a couple of very top police. how wol do you stop this? if you were put in charge? mr. trump, i'd be able to stop it in one week. i believed him 100%. >> chicago police department said trump met with none of their representatives and the trump campaign declined to say the person trump was speaking about. on the murder of aldridge, the police department responded to trump's claim. >> if you have a magic bullet to stop the violence anywhere not just chicago but america, please, share it with us, we'll be glad to take that information and stop this violence. >> trump's appeals to the african-american community don't seem to be phasing former klu klux klan david dukes who put out a call to the nominee.
>> unless massive immigration is stopped now we will be outnumbered and outvoted in our own nation. it's happening. we're losing our country. look at the super bowl salute to the black panther cop killers. time to stand up and vote for donald trump for president and vote for me, david duke, for the u.s. senate. >> trump denied the robocall y saying trump disavows any associated with the message of hate. >> and joining me, someone who has seen some of the worst violence happening this year, congressman i want to get your reaction. the first reaction is to the horrible situation that has gone on in chicago this year in terms of gun violence and then wat watching it become this kind of political point scoring, i wonder how you feel about that? >> we are obviously pained with the violence that has occurred in chicago.
and has continuously taken place. listening to mr. trump's reaction gives me the reaction he's toying with or playing with the african-american community and any kind of appeal he's talking about for african-americans or black people to think of voting for donald trump would be the same as a turkey voting for an early thanksgiving. we know the problem, we're not looking for the problem, we're looking for solutions. we're looking for the creation of jobs and opportunities for people to work. we're looking for training progr programs. for young people who don't have skills or the education to acquire the jobs that exist. one thing about chicago, chicago ans are very serious about politics and the african-american community is just as serious. mr. trump's talk in the street,
the boys would simply say talk is cheap. tell us what you're going to do. we haven't heard anything like that from donald trump. >> i have to ask you as someone who's represented chicago for years, not just donald trump, part of the conservative vocabulary on issues of violence or crime or race to casually in vehicle chicago, to point chicago and point to the truly devastating levels of trauma and violence that exist in many chicago neighborhoods as a kind of point scoring and rebuttal to people worried about police violence or brutality, how does it feel as someone who worked and toiled in those communities your whole career? >> people think it's disengenius. i think it is. we know that there are problems, no doubt about it. we also know that we've seen
resources cut. we've seen business and industry leave. we also have seen a large number of low income people of the last great wave of migration that came from the rural south. we know what is needed, it's a matter of getting them put in the resources into place, cre e creating programs for young people so that they've got things to do and mr. trump is not talking about any of that. >> there's also this finger-pointing blame towards president obama and the white house and hillary clinton, the kind of thing trump is saying now that african-americans have seen what a bad job hillary type policy and management has done to the inner cities they want trump. what do you think of the fact that the problems many urban
americans face are due to democratic leadership? >> it's kind of a reverse psychology, that is trying to point out certainly some of the weaknesses and flaws, as though he and whatever it is that he's selling is an alternative. there's an old saying in the community where i live, that is fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. the community, the people are not going to be fooled or tri tricked into believing that donald trump has any kind of programmatic ideas that's going to change the conditions. we know that things have not been perfect under democrats or any other way. but we keep working to try and perfect what we know needs to
happen. >> representative danny davis. joining me now, let me start with you as someone who has been covering these issues. i have a hard time figuring out what exactly this conversation is at the national political level and feel i constantly need a decoder because it doesn't feel like it's about what folks are us a stepsably saying, if that makes sense. >> i'm with you. it's almost never about what we pretend it's about. having a conversation about homicides in chicago. if we were having that conversation we would be talking about homicide clearance rates and talking about should we have fewer officers stopping and frisking and more officers so e solving homicides. having a conversation about the mechanisms of policing, rather, we're having a conversation about people's perceptions of safety and security and in this concept specifically perceptions of white voters. you go to i wand give a speech
about violence in chicago. we can pretend that is an appeal to black voters in chicago. that is an appeal to donald trump's base. what's fascinating i think you're right, very often we're not having a conversation what we say we're having a conversation about because the mechanisms of policing and crime are fascinating. unfortunately they don't break out very cleanly. we still can't explain spikes in homicides that happened in the '20s. how we can figure out this year why there are more homicides in baltimore than last year in a way that works in a political speech is disingenuous of criminology. >> i have to say about the dwyane wade tweet. trump tweeting appreciate the congrats for being right on radical santa claislamic terror don't want congrats, i want
toughness and vigilance. >> what do you think of a political point with your name in all caps. >> what this is, somebody who -- this is not going to come as a surprise to any thinks about himself first and what the event means to him and his candidacy and to his advancing his goals and agenda instead of just doing the first thing that people do in the wake of a tragedy and just expressing your condolences. to underscore what you've been talking about, chris, when it comes to chicago, let's say he has something to offer, tell us what it is. that's what the police superintendent said in the sound bite. you have something, tell us what it is. >> that's a broadly applicable point, wes, about the complex y complexities of crime and something you and i have been spending time thinking about it how you unravel when it went up
and down, the fact is it is very hard and complicated, extremely granular. it is not sound bites. >> exactly. it's remarkably complicated, very difficult to figure out and speaks to all sorts of big philosophical ideas and social contracts we buy into, what we want police to do, speaks to history, why certain people with lower income or less wealth be trapped in certain neighborhoods and how they might be policed, speaks to these monumental societal forces much larger than the president of the united states much less a letter next to someone's name the mayoral ballot might be. these are huge issues. we're talking about issues of race and crime, they're much bigger than sound bites. >> lynn. >> let's break this down to a few baby steps or bite-sized chunks. chicago is a subject of the justice department practice and
investigation opened up after a 16-year-old youth was shot 16 times by a police offir. there are other examples of chicago policing that has been very controversial with body m cams and car cams now, there's proof that stuff goes on, but it's also true to make policing work you have to have good relations and trust. all i'm saying to donald trump is let's put aside the critic m criticisms of you by democrats and liberals. i want to go back to the main point. pick something. wes, i know you said this is a very complex thing. it is. pick a few spots and say, what is it i could do? summer job program? now, what's hard is figuring out how to solve the problem of guns come ing into chicago where repeat offenders and gang members get guns because we know
chicago's tough control laws and know the guns come in from other places including a lot from indiana, the home state of trump's running mate. you have some ideas how to respect the second amendment which should not be the issue here and keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people, tell us what it is. >> i would be remiss if i did not know amongst the policy agendas on the donald trump website, there is a second amendment section, there is no crime policy section. i would hesitate -- i would rush to point out in the context of this decision. >> in context. >> thank you both for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come, the fbi is investigating on for cyber attacks on two state election systems. what this could mean. could donald trump's long promised border wall be a virtual wall? unanswered questions looming before this week's big immigration speech.
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after recently postponing plans for a major speech on il legal immigration, donald trump tweeted i will be making a major speech on il legal immigration. and raising questions what his position is at the moment or if he even has one, something rudy guiliani apparently let slip over the weekend. as you might imagine there are different opinions on this and in a very thoughtful way trying to figure out what the exact position is. and guiliani appears to be unsure of what kind of wall he will build on the southern bord border? he will build a wall a technological as well as physical wall. >> we hear 35 feet high with wall technology. >> technology that can detect people five, six miles away, technology the tech people can dig under the wall. >> i'm not sure if this is a
hedge by guiliani suggesting a wall on the southern border is impractical and will be virtual. we know former governor rick perry in texas said the wall would have to be virtual. >> there are some that hear this is 1200 miles from brownsville to el paso, 30-foot high. list listen, i know you can't do that. >> a trump senior advisor is denying saying reports of virtual are false, trump determined to build wall and y saying it will be an impenetrable physical barrier. let's start with the wall. am i right? if the wall, a big physical impenetrable barrier, through the duration of the southern border is still the plan? >> absolutely. never wavered the past year. >> a big part of that border this is rio grand. do you build the wall on our side of the rio grand and cut
off access to the river or in the middle or the mexican side. >> i'm not an engineer. that's not up to me. donald trump, i can assure you will find the best most capable people to find and build the wall in those areas wherever it can be. if there's a way to figure out behind wherever around the river, they will get it. >> the wall is obviously, in some ways become the most symbolically important part of immigration policy. would you agree were he to reverse on, people would be really angry in his base? >> absolutely. >> does it give you pause? i want to play blake fairen hold, a trump supporter who has a busy in texas and this is about the feasibility of the physical wall. >> will you flip a wall on the border with a pretty door? >> i'm a texan and realize rural areas, no sense on wasting money
on the fencing. >> a ridiculous idea as any texan will tell you. >> you can secure the border with technology. >> can you acknowledge the fact that the texan delegation, te n texans i talk to think the idea of a wall is ridiculous. >> correct. >> for the two miles of wall, you can get a predator drone. >> does it give you pause, texan supporters of donald trump think the idea is bad? >> no. i have personally spent a great deal of time with border agents and i.c.e. agents and they're incredibly excited about the wall. for anybody who says i don't think the wall is a feasible idea, engineers disagree and i.c.e. agents disagree, it will be done. one thing he has not wavered on whatsoever.
>> let's talk about the immigration reform and immigration policy. there's been a lot of confusion what the policy is. you don't think so. explain to it me. >> no. i don't understand why there is this talk of confusion and flip-flopping and pivots, there hasn't been. his policy has been the same the entire year, build the law and deport the lil alien was criminal records, making sure people leave and come back in the right way, visa tracking, e verify and sanctuary cities. nothing that changed. who is flip-flopping, i don't hear the media coming after her, hillary clinton, two years ago saying kids who make it over here should go back. why has the media not asked her. that's a flip-flop. you can't ask her because she doesn't have press conferences, you can't ask her, i don't blame you. >> the context was the migrant refuge crisis from central america. >> even worse, even worse,
you're talking about little kids fleeing violence. >> i find your empathy heart-warming and would love to see it broadly applied. my question for you, when you say the policy hasn't changed on the things you mentioned, you're correct, i will stipulate that. on the website all those things have been there from the beginning. that still leaves millions of folks undocumented in the country without papers and authorization with no pathway for them. that seems to be the big question unanswered. you can say he hasn't flip-fl flip-flopped i agree with you on although at times he seemed to say, yes, we have to deport them all. he said that to chuck todd. if that's not the policy, what is it? >> he has set priorities, number one deporting lil alien -- illegal aliens and he's setting priorities. what will we do about the entire 11 million? we will cross that bring.
this is a very complex issue. >> it is. do they leave and come back? that is what he said consiste consistently. he hasn't changed. >> that's called touchback and we will see. if they leave and come back they have a 5 to 20 year time to come back. thanks. >> thank you, chris. still to come, two state election systems were purportedly infiltrated by hackers and which states could be the most vulnerable to future attacks. if a d put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture, and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. with this level of engineering... it's a performance machine.
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happens. i'm confident that the american people can insure the integrity of america's elections. >> vice-presidential candidate, mike pence today, encouraging supporters in georgia to prevent voter fraud at the polls even though actual cases of voter fraud are extremely almost vanishingly rare. for all the fear mongering of the trump campaign, there is actually an issue this year. fbi says foreign hackers penvated state elections in two sta states, arizona and illinois. in arizona, they put in malware and in illinois they had to close the system for ten days and hack erbes managed to download personal data up to 2,000 voters and they warn other specific ip address used in the arizona and illinois attacks telling michael isikoff one of those has surfaced before in underground hacker forums.
and increasingly concern about the security of america's election systems including large swaths of pennsylvania and the swing race are more vulnerable because they rely on paperless touch voting for which there are no paper ballot backups. joining me now security technologist, bruce, from harvard university. you've been tweeting and writing about this. i saw the headline, how freaked out should i be about this? the headline seem s somewhat unner unnerving. what's the answer? >> this, i don't think is that big a deal from an election security perspective. certainly the personal information is a problem. these are not swing states, likely criminals going after information for identity theft. it's not a bad thing stealing the election bad. certainly not a worry in this headline. >> that's an important distinction here, we have people
fishing for information that is for identity theft. what it has alerted me to the thought of how much election data is now online on one hand and how kind of penetrable, for lack of a better word most electronic systems seem to be in the era of say the dnc hack, to name just one example. >> that's the problem. these computers are hackable. there are three places we should worry, election database, if you purge people off rolls, they can't bait and confusion and the database penetrated in those two sta states, the machines, you mentioned paperless ballot, computers that don't have an audit trail, they're a problem and tabulation also computers also subject to attack. those are the three places where we have to have extra security and where we should worry. >> are you confident the security protocols protecting
those kinds of sensitive databases are up to snuff? >> they're not. this is a worry. it's a worry for a couple of reasons. we want the elections to be fair but really elections not only have to pick the winner, they have to convince the loser. the importance of a transition of power is that the loser believes he lost fairly. if someone hacks the election and we don't know we have a problem. this hasn't happened nationally. we have had computer problems at local elections where we know the computers aren't correct. we don't know if it's enemy action, probably a mistake but these machines are causing problems already. >> i have to athe trend of -- obviously there's been criminal hacki ining enterprises for a w and your credit card might get stoll bunt the non-criminal i'd do logically -- ideologically
motivated seems like a whole new terrifying frontier in all of this. >> it's not new. hacking for i'd ideology is as old as hacking from the '80s and '70s. it's moving up the food chain and seeing nation states do it. nsk north korea attacks sony, russia attacks the dnc, we are seeing countries playing here. countries are hacking each other. the difference in a lot of these, they're getting caught, exposing information. yes, we are seeing a lot more of this play at the nation state level. >> i should note the u.s. has also engaged in this kind of thing and we released a piece of viral bug that destroyed the nuclear facilities of iran. >> certainly, interfering in foreign elections is something we've done for decades. bruce schneider, thank you. coming up, governor paul lepage defends himself against
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maine governor paul lepage is trying to make the case that he is not racist by claiming people of color are the enemy. outraged over a profane and threatening voice mail he left for a state senator after he heard from a reporter he called him a racist but he said that was not the case clarifying his
apology was only meant for the state and not the man himself. he said this. >> i don't care what color it is, when you go to war, if you know the enemy, the enemy dre dresses in red and you dress in blue, you shoot at red, you shoot at the enemy. you try to identify the enemy. the enemy right now, the overwhelming majority of people coming in are people of color, are people of hispanic origin. i can't help that. >> joining me now the recipient of that original voice mail, representative has called for the resignation. >> what is going on there? >> that's a good question.
this has been going on a long time, the controversies and it gets worse and worse and the governor's behavior gets more erratic and more bizarre and really is calling into question now whether he's fit and capable of continuing to serve as governor. as these incidents occur, it becomes pretty clear to a lot of us we have -- the problems that maine needs to fix with respect to the heroin crisis and other issues are very serious. it's called into question whether he's actually able to lead and help us solve those problems. >> are there discussions among republicans along those lines. you've called for his resignation in the past and others have as well, called for censure and other things. are there folks on the other side of the aisle that feel that way? >> it appears maybe there are. discussions going on as we speak over the last couple of days. that's what feels very different about the incident and the
incident of the last few day, more and more people, republicans on the other side of the aisle, faith-based people, the faith-based community in maine, people professional therapists observing the governor's behavior and people looking at this governor and becoming very very concerned this behavior is to the point something is going on here and this governor really should not continue to be the governor of maine. >> the context here is that the state does have an intense opioid problem and it seems to me the governor has decided the fault for that lies with essentially black and latino people from outside maine. is that basically the story he's telling mainers? >> right. i think that's the problem. we have very very serious problem here. we had a record-setting 2015 in terms of heroin deaths and we're on record to have an even worse year in 2016. there are a lot of parts to the solution. prevention, education, obviously the law enforcement piece is
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husband, huma abedin announced their separation. an unidentified woman suggested messages last year including one that involved her young son asleep next to anthony. she released a statement anthony and i remain devoted doing what is best for our son who is the light of our life and i ask for your respect for our privacy. donald trump released his statement, huma is making a very wise decision. i know anthony weiner well and she will be better off without him. i only worry about hillary clinton being negligent and allowing him close proximity to highly classified information. who knows what he learned and who he told and the country's security may have been greatly compromised by this. since he's questioning his judgment perhaps he should examine the judgment of the man running his campaign hand-picked
by himself. a number of information has surfaced including domestic violence charges of domestic violence 12 years ago and it was dismissed after saying they could not find her to testify. and he made anti-semitic remarks about a school she was thinking of sending his daughter here and the didn't want the daughters going to school with jews. a spokesperson points out the charges were dropened and they have a great relationship. and he said he never said anything like that about the private school with too many jews. joining me now, michelle goldberg and josh, senior editor for "business insider." donald trump has an obsession with anthony weiner i find so perfect and revealing. hunter walker had a great piece going all the way back to five
years ago how obsessed donald trump is with anthony weiner. part of it if you grew up in the 1990s, the role weiner has was donald trump's role, he was the tabloid. >> donald trump was a campaign contributor to anthony weiner. >> and i thought the analysis that this was a good idea for her to separate similar to his tweets about robert patten son from twilight. >> he was obsessed with. >> a long period of time. >> this is not different for donald trump and politics, always up in everybody's business for any reason and no reason. it's not unusual for him to be doing color commentary for the separation of an aide to his opponent. >> he's been obsessed with people's romantic couplings and i'm sure has given more thought to huma abedin and anthony weiner than his immigration policy. he has deep thoughts on this
issue. but then he takes it a step further and projects, his mo to project onto his opponents whatever is going on with them and talks about this is some kind of security threat because there's a sex scandal involving hillary's aide's husband at a time when there is enormous scandals around everybody in trump's orbit. >> including his recently fired campaign manager being investigated for being an unregistered foreign agent. >> and roger ailes advising him allegedly involved in a multi-decade campaign of say ude mass mass -- torture and -- >> was given a settlement. >> and threatening her financ l
financially going public with this and the ills are credible enough but forced to step down from fox not from the trump campaign. >> and advising him, not some big controversial thing. >> i always felt a little bit bad for anthony weiner even though he has obviously brought this stuff on himself, but there's such -- the public sh e shaming of anthony weiner is so disproportionate to his cri crimes -- >> when compared. >> compared to the other men in public life. >> that i agree with. >> this story is not that important, not that important when he was a member of congress. people focus on it because it's interesting, the story has good visu visuals, anthony weiner is a compelling character you can't look away from like a car wreck. people have been talking about anthony is a political liability to hillary clinton, i suppose very much on the margin that's true. is anybody going to change their vote?
i think the answer to that is no. >> i think if the people want an excuse to talk about it. >> people will find any peg to hang this discussion on punit e punitively about news because people are at a level of almost like shakespearean human drama compelled -- they cannot look away from the manifest compulsion of self-destructing evident. >> it's tragic in the classical sense, a man driven to destroy himself by his own nature. >> fatal flaw. that's right. >> the other thing is that you have -- you have -- he's made a documentary about himself. >> he didn't make it, allowed film make others to make it. >> understandable by people. i wouldn't begrudge any their interest in this human drama. the journalists covering him and prying into him. i know it's the "new york post," there's still no reason why this photograph should be on the cover of the "new york post." the justification is, think of the children, think of his son.
because of that, you're going to put his son on the cover of the "new york post" in this humiliating photograph. it's prurient. >> the public interest as josh said was always fairly marginal and only gotten more marginal as time has gone on. >> i don't think it meets the standard of the cover of a "new york post". >> also -- what also has gone on the "new york post" is two random vaguely middle eastern looking kids accused of being the boston bombers who were wrongly identified. >> this cover was better than that? >> exactly. as long as they're not misidentifying people having committed murder that clears the low bar they set for themselves. >> again, i think it is -- the story is interesting, we can't tell people they shouldn't pay attention to it because it's interesting. the one very thin read why this matters even a little, the retention of huma abedin all this time has been a little odd,
she was allowed to be on these three payrolls at once, still at the state department and became a paid employee of strategy this company founded by doug band monetizing and there's been loyalty to huma sometimes not understandable but not really about anthony. >> and huma is always at the center of that world always. thank you very much. we will be back tomorrow. good evening, rachel. >> good evening to chris, my friend. thank you for staying with us the next hour. happy monday. we have an unusual show tonight in this sense, a big show. we have two exclusive stories tonight. one of them sort of run of the mill exclusive and one of them not at all a run of the mill exclusive. the more standard story we have although it is exclusive to us tonight is brand new polling. brand new polling you've not heard it anywhere else, we will