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rachel maddow show. that's going to do it for us. thanks to my round table. we will be back with a special edition of "hardball" at 11:00 eastern tonight. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> and who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico! >> -- donald trump lost in translation. >> who pays for the wall? we didn't discuss. >> tonight why donald trump chickened out of demanding payment for his border wall. how the mexican people received a foreign candidate, who's been insulting them for over a year. and can donald trump's last-minute surprise gamble actually pay off? plus, the clinton response, and hillary's american exceptionalism appeal to ohio. >> we're still reagan's shining city on a hill. >> and ahead of trump's big immigration speech, a reality check. >> we don't even have a border. people are just flowing through like water. there is no border right now.
>> we'll show you where donald trump is misleading voters on immigration when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. it's a very big news night, and it has been a big news day. we are now just one hour from. doctor's highly anticipated speech on immigration in arizona, where we hope we'll get a clear answer to the question his campaign steadfastly refuses to answer. does trump still back a so-called deportation force, that would scour the country to expel the roughly 11 million people living in the u.s. without documentation. which was trump's position in the republican primary. or is he reversing his stance in favor of policy more appealing to general election voters. but first to mexico, a country trump has vilified and whose people largely disdain trump in return. mexico's president is now directly contradicting what
donald trump said happened during their meeting today. he said he made it clear, mexico will not pay for trump's so-called wall, a contradiction the clinton campaign is seizing on tonight and calling trump a liar. trump's visit to mexico marked his first foreign campaign trip as a presidential candidate. the two men appeared together after the meeting with pena nieto speaking first as trump listened to a translator. the mexican president described his conversation as open and constructive and offered trump as something of a public reality check, referencing the fall in the unauthorized migration to the u.s. and pointedly stating mexicans are good people and deserve respect. trump spoke next and while he called mexicans drug dealers, criminals and rapists on the campaign trail, he adopted a very different tone today. >> i happen to have a tremendous
feeling for mexican americans, not only in terms of friendships, but in terms of the tremendous numbers that i've employed in the united states, and they are amazing people. amazing people. i have many friends, so many friends, and so many friends coming to mexico and in mexico. i'm proud to say how many people i employ. and the united states first, second, and third generation mexicans are just beyond reproach. spectacular, spectacular, hard-working people. i have such great respect for them and their strong values of family, faith, and community. >> also indirectly addressed the elephant in the room, his planned wall along the u.s.-mexico border. >> we recognize and respect the right of either country to build a physical barrier or wall on any of its borders to stop the
illegal movement of people, drugs, and weapons. >> on the campaign trail, trump has famously insisted that mexico will pay for that wall. a claim that appears to delight many of his supporters, including this guy, spotted at a trump rally in march. >> mexico does not like us. mexico is not our friend. mexico is the new china. mexico will pay, you mark my words, i win, mexico pays. >> how are you going to make them pay for the wall? >> i will, and the wall just got ten feet taller, believe me. >> who's going to pay for the wall? who's gonna pay? i didn't hear you, who's going to pay? >> mexico! >> better believe it. >> today was trump's big opportunity to back up all that tough talk over months. according to former tea party congressman joe walsh, if real donald trump comes back from mexico tomorrow with a big check from mexico to pay for that
wall, that's game, set, match. if you're watching, joe walsh, i've got some bad news. >> we didn't discuss who pays for the wall, we didn't discuss. we did discuss the wall, he didn't discuss payment of the wall, that will be for a later date. this was a preliminary meeting. >> crucially, that's not what the other person in the meeting said. in a tweet, quote, at the start of my conversation with donald trump, i made it clear that mexico will not pay for the wall. either way, trump didn't extract that big check. a fact seized by the clinton campaign. donald trump has made his outlandish policy of forcing mexico to pay for his giant wall the centerpiece of his campaign. but at the first opportunity to make good on his offensive campaign promises, trump choked. it turns out trump didn't just choke, he got beat in the room and lied about it. speaking in cincinnati, clinton contrasted her work as secretary of state with trump's hastily arranged trip. >> people have to get to know
that they can count on you, that you won't say one thing one day and something totally different the next. and it certainly makes more than trying to make up for a year of insults and insinuations by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours and then flying home again. that is not how it works. >> nbc's hallie jackson is covering the trump campaign and joins me live from phoenix. i think the general consensus after it was, okay, that didn't go terribly, sort of all worked out. >> right. >> now you have the foreign head of state essentially calling trump a liar. has the trump campaign responded? >> reporter: so the trump campaign came out with a statement regarding this issue of the payment of the wall and pena nieto saying he wouldn't pay, trump making that a central tenet of his wall-building process in the first place. to the campaign, it's a disagreement between the two.
when trump went down there, it is unsurprising that this disagreement happened because this was not a negotiation. they're saying that a negotiation would have been inappropriate. this is a conversation that will continue according to the campaign. here's the real question, chris. first of all, did they talk about it or not? and you're hearing two different things from the two people who were in the room at the time. the other question, how does trump reconcile that tonight? in his first public remarks at this rally, and you can see the room is filling up. and let's be clear, it is a rally. it's not a formal policy speech. this is what i would see on any other night at 7:00 p.m. talking to you in one of these states. the question, does he talk about having mexico pay for the wall, after today, the mexican president saying he's not paying for the wall? that's the central question. how does he reconcile that diplomatic tone that he strike with the fiery tone that we often see on the campaign trail? here tonight, just to tick off a
couple notable names, governor jan brewer, sheriff joe arpaio, he often appears with trump on the campaign trail. so folks getting ready for what has been billed as a big speech, high stakes night for donald trump. >> thanks so much. representative joaquin castro from texas. since the wall, the wall has become such a ceerpiece, the trump campaign has reiterated that it will be a physical and inpenetrable barrier that will be the duration of the border of the united states. you represent folks along the border. is that a good idea? is that a feasible idea? >> well, listen, i think everybody agrees that we need to secure the border. >> no, but the specific -- >> a wall is one way to do it. >> so you think it's a good idea to build a physical and impenetrable barrier the duration of the border between the two countries? >> i'm not going to dodge your
question. i'm going to say we need to secure the border. in some places we need a wall. and donald trump has said there. in some places there's a geographical barrier where that won't be a wall. >> if elected, there will be a 35-foot wall the duration of the border and will mexico pay for it? >> again, we need to get the border secure. i don't particularly care. my constituents don't particularly care. >> he cares. he's running on a wall. >> the issue is securing the border. if he's table to do that and that's the way to secure the border, let's do it. >> congressman castro, what do you make of this back and forth with pena nieto? first of all, it's like we were talking about this sort of fictional reality as if it were real, like who will pay for this wall that isn't going to get built. what do you make of this exchange? >> i thought that the visit was a colossal failure on the part of donald trump. i think also you witnessed today
one of the greatest acts of political cowardice that we've seen in quite some time. you think about it, donald trump has built a big part of his campaign, the main part of his campaign on stoking fear and resentment and his main argument is that he's going to make mexico pay for a border wall. then he goes to mexico, sits in front of their president and doesn't have the courage to even bring up the idea of mexico paying for that wall. you know, it's like somebody in school that says, when i see this guy at the end of the day, i'm going to beat him up. then they see the person and they don't say a word. it's an incredibly cowardly act for somebody who has been talking big for a long time. and also at the expense of hispanic americans. you know, there was a hispanic man, a homeless man in boston that was beaten up. a hispanic man in san diego who had all these ugly racial epithets shouted at him.
students being called beaners and wetbacks across the countries in high schools. so he's created this climate of fear and anger towards hispanics and then he goes there today and does this. >> congressman, do you think he choked? do you think it was cowardly for him not to raise this principal issue which i note is one of only seven policy positions on his website? >> i do. >> congressman farenthold, sorry. >> i think it was. when you start a negotiation, you don't ask anybody in sales. you develop the relationship first. that's what donald trump is doing. hillary clinton doesn't have the courage to go and talk to the president of mexico. >> you don't think she's talked to the president of mexico? >> she was invited. donald trump went. she hadn't gone. >> she has talked to the president of mexico. she was secretary of state of the united states. >> i'm sure she has in the past. >> right. so let me ask you this -- >> she didn't take this opportunity to go, because she would have had to answer questions from the press and she's afraid to get in front of the camera, because she doesn't
want to answer questions about the clinton foundation and all the corruption associated with her. >> congressman, the donald trump plan to get mexico to pay for the wall says they can do it in three days. does that sound like the right time frame for you, three days? >> again, i don't have donald trump's negotiating skills. if he thinks he can do it -- >> you think he can do it in three days, particularly given what happened with pena nieto today? >> listen, i don't think it's going to be as easy. but again, the fact of the matter is, people want the border secure and donald trump is talking about securing the border. we don't hear hillary clinton talking about securing the border. she wants to continue obama's open border policy. >> did you give me a definition of a secure border? >> sure. when people aren't getting across in droves like they are now. we are catching almost everybody who comes across. >> we're at a 15-year low in apprehensions. what would be the number? is it zero crossings? >> i don't think you'll ever get
to zero. but i think you'll get down to -- >> what's the number? >> -- 95 to 99%. >> congressman castro, do you feel the border is insecure? >> i believe and i know that we commit more resources to the border today than we ever have in american history. if you look at the numbers in the 1990s, at one point, there were about 1.4 million people coming across. now it's down to about 330,000. so we've doubled the number of border patrol agents that we had since 2004 when president bush was in office. so the fact is, hillary clinton has talked about securing the border, but she's not going to get into all of this hysteria and all of the fear and resentment that donald trump has tried to create among the american people. >> yeah, let me just say as a final note, the comprehensive immigration reform bill that was passed by the senate and killed by congressman farenthold in the house, you can like it or not like it, it's not an open-borders bill. gentlemen, thank you both for your time tonight.
appreciate it. joining me now, former cbs evening news anchor dan rather. have you ever seen anything like what we saw today down in mexico? >> absolutely not. i feel like we've been parachuted into the theater of the absurd. i don't understand what happened today. over the years, i've attended a lot of meetings between the president of the united states and presidents of foreign powers. i don't recall any meeting in which the two principals came out and told directly opposite stories. >> immediately. >> contradictory stories immediately after the event. i don't profess to understand this. i will say this about donald trump. we need to understand and i think a lot of people do understand, that his strategy for winning the election, the core of it is to dominate every news cycle. and here again today, as whacky as really mondo bizarro as this
whole situation has been, once again, donald trump is dominating the headlines and television coverage. hillary clinton today and i'm not praising her for it, but she made a statement about the defense of the united states, which would require the military, at least in attempt to deal with the serious and important subject. but donald trump, and give him credit, if that's the word, he's succeeded once again. he dominates any media landscape on any day and he's done it again today and that may be to his advantage. >> i think that's his greatest skill. sometimes to his advantage and sometimes to his disadvantage, when he was dominating the media on calling an american judge unfit to judge him because he's hispanic. >> well, exactly. i think it's a fair analysis to say that he's very seldom called to account when one story doesn't match the other story. >> or he moves on. >> we weren't in the room. the american people will get to decide whom they think is telling the truth out of this meeting, the mexican president says i made it clear we're not going to pay for the wall.
donald trump says we didn't discuss financing the wall. people can make up their own mind on whom they think is more likely to be telling the truth. >> there has been in the past, i was trying to think of an analog today in terms of the setting here. you can imagine the political reception domestically if president obama were to meet with a candidate, who had made central to their campaign, be it mexico or france, that the americans are terrible, that they're fundamentally untrustworthy, that they're sending rapists, murderers, killers, you can imagine the reception. >> exactly. many things i don't understand about this meeting. this looked like a lose-lose situation for the mexican president and donald trump. particularly if donald trump was going to walk in there and say,
you' we're going to build the wall and you're going to pay for it. >> when barack obama took that trip in 2008 abroad, it was a bold stroke and meant to show people that he could be commander in chief. >> right. >> john mccain also traveled abroad, traveled to mexico in 2012. mitt romney traveled abroad in 2012. do you think it's now an institution of the american campaign? >> that's a very good question. it's becoming an institution to do it. obviously one of the reasons donald trump went to mexico today, he's meeting with a foreign power, looking presidential, if you will. and you make a good point. in recent years, there's been an effort to institutionalize it. and into the future, my guess is future candidates will want to do the same thing. but depending on how this turns out for donald trump -- >> that's exactly right. >> -- it may not turn out well for him and give a future candidate pause to say, maybe i better not go. >> dan rather, pleasure for your time. >> thank you very much.
still to come, before hearing donald trump's major immigration address, we thought it would be helpful to do a fact check of some of his more common immigration claims. that's coming up. but first after insulting the nation for his entire campaign, a look at how the people of mexico received the republican nominee today. that's right after this two-minute break. it's easy to love your laxative... ...when that lax loves your body back. only miralax hydrates, eases, and softens to unblock naturally. so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax. i have to tell you something. dad, one second i was driving and then the next... they just didn stop and then... i'm real sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you're ok. that's all that matters. (vo) a lifetime commitment to getting them home safely.
perhaps this "new york times" headlines announcing the meeting between donald trump and the mexican president -- donald trump to visit mexico after more than a year of mocking it. trump has made blaming mexico for problems facing the u.s. a cornerstone of his candidacy. it's not gone unnoticed in mexico. today the mexican president came, though in a somewhat muted fashion, to the defense of his country's citizens. >> translator: mexicans in the united states are honest people and hard-working.
they are well intentioned people. they are good people who respect the institution of the family and community life and who respect the law. >> trump is an almost universally reviled figure in mexico, as seen with the trump pinatas for sale. which is one reason why his meeting with pena nieto was so puzzling. >> joining me now, author of the interior circuit, a mexico city chronicle. francis francisco, during the campaign season, wherever you go, people are tuned in to the american political scene. how closely have mexican media and mexicans been following this campaign? >> yeah, they've followed it fairly closely, but not as closely as you would think. basically, you know, once they realized trump is the villain, trump insulted mexico, trump has
obviously been running on a campaign that mexicans interpret as a racist and xenophobic and ultra nationalist, and even fashistic, as a campaign that's often attacking and scapegoating mexico, that's about where it ends, really. and of course a lot of it is turning him, in very much the mexican way, into a figure of making fun of trump, of almost, you know, reveling in your joy a ous at testation of what he represents. and a lot of comedy. i don't think people, when it was first announced that trump was even coming here, the first reaction was kind of astonishment, but it shouldn't be confused with, you know, the way mexicans might react to something they take much more seriously. >> yeah, my sense --
>> -- such as the drug war. >> my sense, from what i've been consuming on mexican culture, this idea that trump is like a villain, abobut also an object ridicule, in a country that is incredibly politically divided at the moment, this figure of incredible revulsion and mocking. >> that's right. and chris, the country may be politically divided, but i would say, don't forget that this president, enrique pena nieto, has the lowest approval ratings in this country in modern times, and is equally a figure of fun and mockery at this point. so it was really looked like to me from this morning when i first began to follow it, like a train wreck waiting to happen. and certainly i think we're going to have a world, you know, the mexican record in mocking, hilarious memes coming over the
next 24 hours, without a doubt. >> it seemed to me in terms of monitoring, just watching mexicans on twitter last night, just reacting to the news, this was incredibly high-risk, low-reward for pena nieto, which is to say, people feel insulted, that he has to stand up for the honor of mexico and its people, and the integrity of its government, everything, and anything less than a sort of reading him the riot act would be seen as essentially surrender. it's hard for me to think that the meeting is going to help him politically at all domestically. maybe i'm wrong. what do you think? >> no, the meeting the way it played out, has destroyed him. as my taxi driver on the way over here said. i asked my taxi driver, go through all the stages of rage and resignation and finally a fierce mexican glee that that's it, he will never recover from this, this is the noose around his neck and they're going to be
gone. because when we thought you couldn't go any lower, they finally hit bottom. i think there was a lot of that kind of antis pa tore mocking earlier. there was very important statements from heavyweight mexican intellectual and political authorities in the morning. i saw the former -- the longest -- the person who had the longest term as mexico's ambassador to the u.s. say, you know, what a political, moral mistake this is. you're legitimizing the kind of racist statements and xenophobic statements that trump uttered by inviting him and granting him this sort of courtesy. so i think it was a conservative intellectual denouncing it in similar ways, saying you don't invite somebody you've compared to hitler as he had earlier, into your house in this way. i saw someone else calling it the gravest mexican diplomatic error in history. i myself, watching this morning, thought, he must have something up his sleeve, must be setting a
trap. his approval ratings are so low. he's so denigrated, so disliked. i thought he's trying to recapture some kind of popularity here by publicly standing up to trump, that must be the agenda, but that didn't happen. >> always a pleasure to hear from you from mexico. thank you for joining us. coming up, hillary clinton's pitch to republicans. former governor grand holm joins me to discuss, that's just ahead. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink there's no one road out there. see what the power of points can do for your business. no one surface...
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issued a fairly standard line used by american heads of state, that we shouldn't cozy up to dictators. it's a maxim often ignored by the american heads of state when it comes to certain dictators who are american allies. as secretary of state hillary clinton herself said with regard to mubarak who kept a grip on egypt for 30 years before his ousting, quote, i really consider president and mrs. mubarak to be friends of my family. i hope to see them often in egypt and in the u.s. as opposed to the oppressive regime of saudi arabia. the u.s. has been supplying arms to the saudis at record levels. the obama administration authorized a record $60 billion in arms to saudi arabia, arms which have been used to target civilians. yemen was responsible for some 60% of the 1,953 child deaths and injuries there during the past year.
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secretary under president bush. to those who are wary in the democratic party or across the political spectrum about hillary clinton views the use of military force, what can you say to reassure them in the wake of rhetoric that sounds very much like some of the most sort of hawkish voices in american public discourse, endorsements from a lot of those folks and a record of supporting a fair amount of military intervention? >> i'd say two things, chris. one is this. hillary clinton is giving democrats an ability to be patriotic. i say this as an immigrant to this country. and whether your people were brought here by the amistad or they came across the border, our diversity is the american exceptionalism and she referred to the diversity of the military, but it allows democrats to define american
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congress, it's a view most americans share. i think the definition could be difficult to pin down, but on this question of leadership, i mean, what struck me about sort of putting the hillary clinton and marco rubio sound bites together was, that has been a call from critics of this president, that american -- america has not led under president obama. and i can't tell if this rhetoric from hillary clinton is meant to sort of subtly distance herself from some of the aggressive restraint, to use a phrase, that the president has sort of promulgated as president. >> i don't think she's distancing from him at all. i think she's helping to explain and say where she's going to take it to the next level. i mean her definition of american exceptionalism, it's not just that we are the biggest economy or that we're the most powerful military, or, you know, any of that. or that we've got the most robust gdp. it's because we use our assets to benefit the world. it is because we are not
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knots, trying to figure out exactly what donald trump's immigration policy is. while hillary clinton's policy, whether you agree with it or not, has been clearly laid out in speeches and on her website. clinton says she'll introduce comprehensive immigration legislation which would include a path way to citizenship. she would defend president obama's executive actions on the issu issu issue. joining me now, national latino vote director for hillary for america. what do you make of the last few weeks of donald trump's immigration policy trajectory as he heads into the speech tonight? can you hear me there? >> hi, chris. >> so what do you make of the last few weeks of donald trump on immigration as he heads into the speech tonight? >> i think nothing has changed. what we've seen donald trump and his campaign try to do over the last few weeks is distract people from his dangerous policies. he went to mexico today with
that intention, to distract us and to change headlines. what we know hoout of what has happened, on his signature policy issue, which is to build a giant wall along the southern border, he went into a room, got beat, and then lied about it. so what we know today is who donald trump has been from day one of his campaign, chris. he is for massive deportation, for putting dreamers on a path to deportation, he is for banning entrance of a full religion into our country, 1.5 billion people. so this is donald trump being donald trump. and i guess for me, for my own personal experience and the way i approach this work, i think the damage has already been done. there's nothing that donald trump can say today or in the next 70 days to undo the damage that he's done throughout the last 14 months of his campaign. >> what do you say to people who say, what if he ends up in this position, which he seems to flirt with, prioritize people with criminal convictions for deportation, which is not that
different from president obama. there have been record deportations under president obama, and tries to essentially move closer to the hillary clinton position? >> i don't buy it, chris. when you have someone that's spent the last 14 months and launched his campaign by calling mexicans rapists and criminals and has use said every opportunity he's had to talk about this issue, to criminalize and demonize people like my sister, people like my mother, people who i knew and grew up with, when he has used every moment to do that, i just don't believe it. he could say he's for passing immigration reform tonight in arizona and i wouldn't buy it. we have 14 months of his rhetoric. the damage has already been done. the dangerous policies could happen if he's president. so we're not buying it, the american people are not buying it, latino voters are not buying it, and we're ready to go out and fight back. >> lorella praeli, thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. as we await trump's big immigration speech, we have some important fact-checking of his
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we are minutes away from donald trump's big immigration speech in phoenix, arizona. for the past 14 months, he's build his presidential brand on fear mongering over the issue, describing our southern border as being over run with undocumented immigrants streaming into the country. and only a wall paid for by mexico could stop the chaos. >> do you remember whaten i announced, i talked about the record number of people pouring across the border of the country. >> the border is a disaster, people are pouring in and i mean illegal immigrants and they're pouring in. >> our country is out of control. people are pouring across the southern border. i will build a wall, it will be a great wall. people will not come in unless they come in legally. >> all right, the reality is that fewer immigrants are entering the u.s. illegally than at any time in the recent past,
according to the washington post, evidence is emerging illegal immigration are falling to the lowest level in two decades. the population undocumented immigrants in this country has leveled off. by the way, there already is a wall. you're already paying for it. nbc news reporting that american taxpayers have spent billions of dollars on border security, including a 700-mile-long physical barrier along the southern border with mexico. border security spending has increased 1,400 percent over the past 15 years and it's made it more difficult for people to cross the border. apprehensions at the border are at a 15-year low. those are just a few of the many examples of how trump's rhetoric is at odds with reality. gloin joining me now, phoenix mayor and also the president and ceo of the hispanic chamber of commerce.
mayor stanton, let me start with you outside the venue there. one of the big themes for donald trump is that mexico represents essentially a hostile power, a rival, an enemy. is that your view from where you stand as the mayor of phoenix, very close to that border? >> just the opposite. phoenix is lucky to be close to mexico and our southern border. as you know, mexico has a fast-growing economy. right now, there the 12th or 13th largest economy on planet earth, soon to be growing to the fifth or sixth largest. they have a growing middle class. that's a great opportunity for trade for our local companies. we have over 90,000 jobs here in our region that are directly tied to trade with mexico. so i don't want to build walls with mexico. i want to build economic bridges with mexico, and having greater economic ties with mexico is nothing but a great thing for our local economy in phoenix, in arizona. so i think trump has it all wrong in how he's perceived our
relationship with mexico. >> javier, you've had the experience of a meeting with trump th trump. how are you viewing what happened today? >> i'm not surprised at all that the private donald trump is different from the public donald trump. as you know, we met almost a year to the day for the first time after i had just spoken to donald trump, he was very courteous to me and then doubled down on his hate-filled rhetoric. the reality of it is, this man has predicated his entire campaign on two things. building a wall and the fact that mexico would pay for that wall. he's built this movement of hate and now he's having to try to figure out how do i do what javier warned me i should do, start to court the hispanic vote in america. >> mayor, one of the other things that donald trump really stresses is to focus on immigrants as a kind of distinct
criminal threat, violent crimes, talks about that constantly. you have a large undocumented population in phoenix. is that how the reality plays out on the ground in phoenix? >> no, it's not. in fact, no city in the united states of america would benefit more from comprehensive immigration reform than phoenix, arizona. that's why our two senators, mccain and flake, in a bipartisan way, supported tough but fair comprehensive immigration reform. we've got to get people out of the shadows and fully involved in our economy. it would be great for our local economy. so instead of telling disaster stories or trying to scare people, we need to deal with it in a mature way with accurate information. that immigration reform, comprehensive immigration reform will be great for the american economy, certainly great for my city. >> the big question here and this is the thing that everyone's looking to see, where he ends up on the question, the
hardest question. 11 million people who live here. what do you do with those folks. how have you reacted to them essentially trying to avoid the question? >> first i want to say i could not agree more with mayor stanton. he's dead on. we need to stay focused on the fact that as we stand today, mexico represents close to $600 billion of bilateral trade with america. i agree with him, i agree with my dear friend john mccain, i agree with my good friend jeff flake. all of us are in agreement that mexico is an important trade partner with the united states. more than six million american jobs depend on that bilateral trade. nothing could be further from the truth, this myth -- in fact, it's not even a myth. it's a lie that donald trump has perpetrated that says there's this tsunami of mexicans coming across the border, taking our wives, children, and our jobs. nothing could be further from the truth. the united states hispanic
chamber of commerce collaborated with the george w. bush institute and that study found as recently as 2010, that net migration between the united states and mexico, which is a look at the number of people leaving the u.s. going to mexico and leaving mexico and coming to the u.s. was practically zero. for a five-year period of time, nations of this size, it was less than 20,000 people. in fact, it was 20,000 more people leaving america going to mexico than leaving mexico, coming to america. it is an absolute lie, it's subterfuge, it's something that he has created, and perpetrated, and continued to propagate to build this movement of hatred. >> quickly, mayor, that wall is never going to get built, is it? >> well, i know there's debate about whether or not -- you know, who said they're going to pay for the wall, and whether mexico is going to pay for the wall. the wall would be a dumb thing to build. we want to build bridges, economic bridges of friendship
and support with mexico. we don't want to build a wall. that would be very dumb. we can be smart about this, and we don't want to engage a public policy that is self-defeating for public policy. >> to fly a jet twice in one day, in order to promote a wall between those two countries. thank you both. that is "all in" for the evening. good evening, rachel. >> how old is david now? >> david is 2 and almost a halfish. >> 2 1/2, and not only knows what a rhino is, but has enough preferences that he knows he wants to see rhino videos. >> he's already into the deep cuts. >> you are raising impressive children. hi, ryan, hi david, hi, you guys. >> say hi to rachel. have a good show. >> thanks, cheers. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. looks like the third time is the charm. first swing and miss happened