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said last night it was an energetic speech. >> donald trump said the same thing. the deportation comments were a huge mistake? >> it doesn't help that his own surrogates, even the people. that does it for me. the rachel maddox show starts right now. as you have figured out, rachel maddow has the night off. she will be back tomorrow. guess what? she will be part of the show tonight. we are going hear from her and her thoughts on donald trump's immigration speech. you are not going to want to miss that. first, a lot happened in 24 hours since trump gave that speech. two things he needed to accomplish with the last minute trip to mexico in the afternoon and then the big speech in phoenix at night. trump said he was going to clarify the position on immigration. remember, he said two weeks ago, he might be softening the view. he was going to tell everyone what he meant and last night, in the speech, he presented a list of ten principles on immigration.
it is fair to say they were ten hard lying principles on the subject. this was the most hard lined speech on immigration we have heard a major party nominee deliver in the modern era. the more specific challenge for trump last night was this. he's losing right now. he's losing in this race. he is behind hillary clinton nationally. he is behind her in the battleground states. there's a very specific reason why he's behind her. when you break down all the numbers, there's one group of voters who have always been there for republican presidential candidates going back generations now. those voters have been seriously turned off by donald trump in this campaign. he has been running at fatally low levels of support with them. he needs to turn that around if he's going to have a chance in november. the group i'm talking about is actually white voters. more specifically, talking white college educated voters. upscale economically. reps have never, never lost this group in a presidential election. donald trump just might.
the challenge last night, in part, was for him to say something, somehow, in some way that might win some of them back. >> today, on a very complicated and very difficult subject, you will get the truth. the fundmental problem with the immigration system in our country is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors, political activists and powerful, powerful politicians. let me tell you who it does not serve. it does not serve you, the american people. doesn't serve you. we have to listen to the concerns that working people, our forgotten working people have over the record pace of immigration and its impact on their jobs, wages, housing, schools, tax bills and general
living conditions. these are valid concerns expressed by decent and patriotic citizens from all backgrounds. >> that was trump's message last night. the last election in 2012, mitt romney won the white vote by 20 points, that's what a republican is supposed to get, at least 20 points there. trump, a new poll has him winning white voters by eight points, that would be a disaster for a republican presidential candidate. again, it is even more dramatic when you compare whites who don't have college degrees, blue collar white voters. trump is doing pretty well. compare it to whites who do have college degrees. romney won them by 21 points in 2012. a fox news poll has trump ahead by 11. that would be a disaster for a republican. when it comes to college educated white women, hillary clinton is beating donald trump
by 20 points. that would be absolutely unprecedented in our political history. this is why donald trump is losing. these are voters republicans have always relied on and they are turned off by donald trump. they are telling pollsters they are profoundly uncomfortable with his rhetoric, his nativist appeals, racially charged messages. they do not want to be associated with a white supremacist like david duke who is out there praising donald trump. that is what trump was up against last night and the home stretch of this campaign. if you want to know whether donald trump can come back, win this election and become president of the united states, this is where to look when you look inside the numbers. this is where he needs to move the needle and needs to move it in a big way. did he make progress last night? that is the bottom line question. did it reassure voters seeing trump alongside the mexican president.
did it make him look more presidential or is it possible his hard lined message will drive up blue collar support so high that it makes up for the beating he is taking with upscale white voters. there's a cynical interpretation of something trump is doing now. cynical, but accurate. it has to do with the outreach he is doing to minority voters. it's something he tried to do last night. >> hillary clinton is going to do nothing for the african-american worker, the latino worker. she is going to do nothing. she's done nothing. i say, what do you have to lose? excuse me, watch how good we are going to do together. watch. >> but, was he even talking to minority voters there or is he trying to send a message to white voters who have been so uncomfortable with his campaign to date, is he trying to make
them feel he is putting in the effort so the white voters might feel more comfortable supporting him. maim that's the goal. if not, if he's making a straight-up pitch to voters, it is failing more than ever. trump, today, losing high profile support from several conservative hispanics who were not happy with the speech last night. hispanic leaders and advisers said they can no longer support him. one former trump endorser tweeting after the speech, quote, this is how i feel, disappointed and misled. trump was never going to do that well with the hispanic vote to begin with. a recent poll shows him with 20% of the hispanic vote, getting clobbered by hillary clinton there. there is one hispanic adviser to donald trump who, even after last night is not yet ready to drop donald trump.
joining me the reverend tony suarez. he is a member of the trump campaign's evangelical advisory committee. thanks for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. i wanted to talk to you in particular because you have been public about grappling with whether to support donald trump, how comfortable you are. at the beginning of the campaign, he was putting on a clinic of how not to win latino votes. you are now supporting him. other leaders are saying they didn't like the speech last night. what was your impression of it? >> well, i want to be clear. it's not that i'm supporting donald trump, i have a pastor's heart. i was invited to an advisory board of donald trump. if hillary clinton made a similar invitation, i would join hers too. last night was disappointing, yet it's disappointing and confusing. it gives you more questions than answers.
after an hour and 20 minutes or an hour and 30 minutes of hearing ten points of what he's going to do with immigration reform, we would have a clear cut answer. he says all illegals are going to have to leave the country, come in the same way. a few minutes later, he says after we have implemented the ten points of my plan, then and only then can we talk about it. who are the people remaining if they have been deported? i think he needs to make clarifying remarks. i think he needs to explain to us what he's going to do or what the plan is for the 11 million documented immigrants. >> you are on the advisory committee. did you advise him? did you talk to his campaign? do you feel you were listened to? >> yes, absolutely. my boss, the president of it, met with donald trump at trump tower and reverend rodriguez
said if you are going to build a wall, you must build bridge into the latino community. i said i believe in evolution. donald trump is evolving in front of our eyes. we were celebrating the change then last night happened. it was confusing. i hope he is listening. i hope there's an opportunity to continue to listen to him. our job as christians, evangelicals, believers, you have to be liked in a dark place. i have battled, do i leave, walk away, wash my hands or stay? how can i be light if i walk away. how can i if i -- i have a pastor's heart. what if i had a church member i disagreed with and i said i'm done with you. that's not my calling. my calling is to say i don't
agree with you. this is what i hope you can do. i hope we have dialogue and continue to speak to one another. how can i continue to be a voice for the voices or light in the midst of darkness. that's why i have grappled with the decision. at this moment, i'm going to remain on the evangelical advisory committee. >> you are on the committee. if the election were today, would you vote for him? >> i haven't endorsed donlds trump. if the election were today, i don't know how i'm going to vote. mrs. clinton hasn't helped me make my decision any easier. her views on abortion and liberty make it imposz zable for an evangelical to say i'm going to give my vote to mrs. clinton. she could help the decision by coming to the tagt with evangelicals and discussing.
right now, mr. trump, with all the bad you can see in him is the only one that's been willing to sit down with evangelicals. >> a member of donald trump's evangelical advisory committee. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. there is a lot more ahead including another side to the speech. later, rachel is going to be here with choice things to say about the trump speech last night. stay with us. ♪"all you need is love" plays
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thrive and flourish and love us. >> donald trump making the case that assimilation, the idea of merging culturally with other americans ought to be key in considering which immigrants to admit to this country. among hard liners, that part of the speech was a very big hit. >> i haven't heard a presidential candidate or a president talk about assimilation in our immigration system in a long time. you know, it's so important that we welcome immigrants here. that's the first half. you have to make people become american. that's something we should not be ashamed of, adopting our values. >> that's kansas secretary of state kris kobach. he wrote the strictist piece of anti-immigration. he came up with trump's border wall plan this year. in a speech to the american legion, trump suggested the concern over simulation isn't about just new arrivals to the country. >> promoting american pride and
patriotism in america's schools. very important. in a trump administration, i plan to work directly with the american legion to uphold our common values and to help ensure they are taught to america's children. we will stop apologizing for america and we will start celebrating america. [ applause ] >> we will be united by our common culture, values and principles, becoming one american nation. one country, under one constitution, saluting one american flag and always saluting it. >> united by our common culture, becoming one american nation, always saluting the flag.
it's not just his hard line stance on immigration, it's something we haven't seen a major party nominee embrace like trump. that immigration message is tied in with a bigger and broader appeal to nationalism. that is something else we haven't seen them express like this in a very long time. this really is an untested thing in terms of the appeal of this kind of message. there's clearly some market for it. there was enough to carry trump to the republican nomination, at least. does it have enough appeal to carry him farther? joining me is e.j.dionne. e.j., thanks for joining us tonight. >> good to be with you. >> listening to the clip from kris, he can't remember the last time a presidential nominee talked about assimilation. i think it was pat buchanan. >> we have don through periods like this before where there was heavy emphasis on teaching americanism and there's one important fact that helps us
understand why all this is happening now. that is that we do, at this moment, have an unusually high number of foreign born americans. in 1970, only 4.7% of us were foreign born. as of 2013, 13.1% of us were foreign born. we haven't seen numbers like that since the turn of the last century, during the wave of immigration back then. there was a backlash back then. there was the rise of the ku klux klan in the 1920s. so, i think this is a normal american thing, even though it seems strange, but usually, and in the past, we have always overcome it.
the point of nationalism is well taken. in many ways, the trump message is much more like the european far right, which is very explicitly nationalist than it is like traditional american conservatism. yes, sometimes american conservatives and liberals engage in it. this is a peculiar campaign in our tradition, compared to the europeans where they are accustomed to this. >> you are talking the change circumstances with the pace of immigration over the last decade, couple decades, really. how widespread do you think is the feeling, the apprehension you are describing? >> well, you know, the polling suggests when you ask people do they want comprehensive immigration reform that would allow people who came here illegally to get on a path to citizenship, that has a majority support in the country.
if you ask people what's the most important issue facing the country, immigration is not very high on that list. so, i think you are talking about a significant minority, but still a minority of americans. it's a bigger part of the republican party, which is why this message went down better in the republican party than it is in the general election. i was trying to think of what the heck was trump doing last night? he talked a lot about softening his position. there was talk out of the campaign saying, you know, he wanted to appeal to middle of the road people and latinos, then this big, hostile bang. all i can think of is he's trying to raise the immigration issue saying this links to everything else, crime, the fact somebody might lack a job. so, i think he's trying to change the issue structure of the campaign by screaming so loudly about immigration. i don't think it will work.
that's the only rational thing i can think of that he was up to last night. >> i'm going through similar thinking in my head, some of the groups, when you reduce this to crude demographic terms, the groups donald trump is struggling with that republicans don't normally struggle with. the question i asked myself last night, is this doing anything for him to move the needle with people who aren't already with him, with people who had reservations about him. did you see anything in the speech that might? >> i saw nothing in the speech to help him with the groups mentioned in the beginning of the show. i spoke to a clinton supporter. i was worried when the press started saying how presidential he looked in mexico. then i heard that speech and i went to bed totally unworried.
he didn't move those voters. there has been a theory if only the republican party could increase its share with white voters and particularly white men, you know, maybe they could overcome the deficit with minorities. that's not happening. it's not happening because even if he does gain some votes in the white, working class, he's losing them at the upper epd as you said at the beginning of the show. i don't think last night helped him with them. >> e.j. dionne. author of "why the right went wrong." >> great to be with you, thanks. we are going to take a trip to the big board to look at why the trump campaign is worried about the electoral map and rachel is going to be here with thoughts on the immigration speech. stay with us. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework...
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maybe hard to believe, but voting for the november election starts a week from tomorrow. it's when absentee voting starts in the state of north carolina. concerns are mounting in republican circles about donald trump's shrinking electoral map. monday, trump's son, eric, met with senior officials at the rnc where he was warned his father's path to the presidency could vanish entirely. from the article here, going through the swing states one by one, party officials showed eric trump his father was drastically underperforming other republicans in the poll. we saw the article and thought about it. he thought maybe this is a good way to use our old friend, the big board.
i'm going to assume the role of an rnc staffer and show you what the briefing might have looked like. trump's son was there, maybe other folks. what was the rnc telling him? what would the presentation look like? what would the message be? might be something like this. mr. trump, here is what the board was supposed to look like. we thought at the start of the campaign, in the home stretch, an even rals in the gray states in here would be the swing states. a 50/50 shot of getting there. a couple states could put us over 270. a couple problems happened along the way. number one, a couple states that were used to being swing states, always swing states, they are not looking swing. hillary clinton is up double digits in virginia. colorado, hillary clinton is up 14 points in colorado. these are always supposed to be swing states.
i have to be honest with you, mr. trump, they look like hillary clinton states. that's the first problem. here is another problem. some of the red states on here, we always think they are republican. we never think we have to worry about them. well, suddenly, we have to worry about a couple of them. how about north carolina? in 2012, romney won the state. hillary clinton is ahead in the latest poll in north carolina. how about georgia? last time it went for a democrat, 1992. hillary clinton within striking distance. we have to worry about georgia, mr. trump. how about missouri? a double digit win for romney in 2012. trump by a single point. go to arizona. trump up three points in a new poll. again, that was a double digit state for romney four years ago. we got a bunch of red states here. i'm not saying hillary clinton is going to win them, but trump is not guaranteed to win them, either. these are states we cannot count on mr. trump. we have to worry about them. there are the other battleground states.
let's show you how your campaign is doing? new hampshire, a six-point win for obama four years ago, hillary clinton is outperforming that, up nine. how about pennsylvania? it was five in 2012. again, hillary clinton is outperforming. bad news for mr. trump in those states. how about florida? very close race in 2012. still a very close race. you have to improve there a little bit. at least it's within striking distance. ohio, again, down four points. probably going to be a must win state. look at wisconsin. this might be good news for the trump campaign a. poll yesterday had the lead at only three points for hillary clinton. again, if you are donald trump
you have to be winning. that's a couple point win. iowa, a tie. that's the best trump is doing in any swing state. it's a tie. you can look at nevada. again, closer than 2012, but hillary clinton still in the lead in nevada. if you go back to that map from those swing states we just showed you, look, hillary clinton is outperforming obama in new hampshire. she's outperforming him in pennsylvania. that's a stretch for republicans. that is what the map is looking like now. the bottom line for donald trump, hillary clinton is very close to 270. donald trump is very far away. that would mean donald trump would have to run the table on all of these gray states, basically all the gray states to catch hillary clinton or he would have to take some of the blue states where she's doing very well and seems to be running away with it and somehow make them competitive. that is a steep hill to climb with only eight weeks to go. that's your presentation, mr. trump. we'll be back after this.
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clearly, i think the greatest and most consequential politician to ever walk the earth. here is the pop quiz about abraham lincoln. what party was abraham lincoln before he became a republican? because he became a republican right at the beginning of republicans. their first national convention as a party was 1856 in philadelphia. lincoln was there at that convention. he almost got picked as the brand-new republican party's vice president that year at the first convention. that was their first convention, the republican party didn't goat founded until then. what was lincoln before that? if you said he was a wiig, you win the nonexistent prize. he was a wiig in the wiig party and became a republican. abraham lincoln ran for the party. it has a funny name, but it was a major political party. at one point or another,
president's john quincy adams, harrison, arthur and hays and lincoln, all of those american presidents were all members of the wiig party. harrison, tyler, taylor, fillmore they were wiig party members when they were president. it was a really big deal. then they weren't. then they fell apart. the wiig's were richb by internal divisions dealing with emering things as the nation grew and changed. a lot of the division had to do with slavery and other issues. it was a big party, then it fell apart. they weren't exactly what they are today.
when the wiig party fell aparty, the two-party system at the time fell apart as well. you have two parties and one collapses. it doesn't just mean good news for the other party, it mean that is two-party system that counts on tension between the two parties, that falls apart if one party ceases to function. when the two-party system fell apart, when that two-party system rocked because they collapsed, what was left behind in american politics, for a while, at least, turned incredibly nasty. a little bit violent, but also nasty. one of the things that happened in american politics at that time is that we got a series of secret societies that formed. basically to try to drive catholics out of this country. one of them was a secret order of the star spangeled banner. all the groups had different names.
their reason for existing is they were against catholics. they were against these filthy immigrants who were destroying america for native born americans. americans who had been born here were having their birthright torn from them by this filthy inner lopers, the catholics, people from other countries who were rurning everything here. criminal, filthy, irretrievably alien. when the movement em bodied by the societies spread out of the cities and spread out of new england and went big nationwide, it did go big nationwide, the movement forfed depending on where it was z. it was very strikingly
anti-catholic in se massachusetts. by the time that movement was ready to spawn its offspring or offshoots in california, well, in california, it didn't that that much much sense to be anticatholic. in california the version of it became antichinese, those were the immigrants they had out there, if you want to blame something on immigrants, well you'll be an antichinese party out there. this movement in american politics around the time that the two party system collapsed because the wigs fell apart. it was nativism. they hated immigrants. they blamed everything wrong in the country on immigrants. and it started as disseparate secret societies. they became known as the no nothing movement. people remember it because itself's a strange thing to call some sort of political movement. if you ask them about their party, they didn't profess to be
ignorant. their origins were in secret society, if you were a member of the movement, you're going i know nothing. are you in the secret society? i know nothing. that's how they got the name. for a brief period in our history. the no-nothings got really big and fast and they did that in the waste land of this two party system getting rattled. the wigs collapsed, two major party democracy fell apart for a time because of that, and so we got these no nothing politicians, this no-nothing movement across the country. the no-nothing mayor of chicago declared there will be no city job for any immigrant of anywhere. they took over major cities, the legislature in massachusetts. they spread nationwide and had more than a million members, they were a big deal in american
politics for a couple of years, as the normal party system broke itself down and stopped to function. but then they collapsed. i mean, if you think about it, it's kind of hard to run a national party big enough to sustain itself and grow. if the reason you exist is to carve out a large portion of the people in the country, define them as the problem. . if you're blaming immigrants, you're blaming anybody born in any other country, then, only pure americans native born americans meet your standard. problem is, we're not that kind of a country, population wise, we're basically all immigrants so the no-nothings did rise all of a sudden when there was no longer the system of two strong parties to take up the space and
define the space where constructive and sustainable american politics could happen. they rose for a hot minute in that environment when that two-party system stopped working, it didn't last, couldn't last, they blamed the couldn't last, they blamed the immigrant party, it dried up and blew away. became historical curiosity. but since then at times of stress when they're not functioning well as national parties. we expect this kind of stuff to come back. it's like anthrax in our soil.
we turn when normal politics doesn't work any more. and so when the wind is just right and the host is week, just wait, the blame the immigrants that's always around at some level, it comes back. it comes out of the secret societies it comes roaring out once again out of the dark. >> he was murdered by an illegal immigrant gang member previously convicted of burglary, brutally beaten and left to bleed to death in his home, 90 years old and defenseless. the perpetrators were illegal immigrants with criminal records a mile long, sexually assaulted and beaten to death with a hammer. her killer had been arrested on multiple occasions, but was never ever deported. dangerous, dangerous, dangerous criminals deadly and it is deadly, nonenforcement policies that allow thousands of criminal
aliens to freely roam our streets, walk around, do whatever they want to do, crime all over the place. if these violent offenders cannot be sent home, our law enforcement officers have to release them into your communities. and by the way the results are horrific. . including rape, attempted murder, and child molestation. we take them. we take them. we take anybody, come on in, anybody, just come on in. not any more, my first hour in office, those people are gone.
>> if you can call it deport it, you can call the press doesn't like that term. you can call it whatever you want, they're gone. they're going to be gone. it will be over. >> give your tired -- you're tired, poor, you're earning to breathe free, the refuge of your teaming shore, send these the homeless, toss to me, i lift my lamp beside the golden door. republican party has been antiimmigrant for a few years now and it's current iteration, right. remember john mccain proposed immigration reform and then when he was running for president as a republican, he said, actually, now, he would vote against his own bill.
that's a good sign, right, the republican party moved in recent years, over the last few years they have been getting more hard line against immigrants and immigration for a few years. but this nativist tirade for claiming that cutting off immigration is the most important -- she said it is the only conversation we should be having at this time, that -- that is older and deeper than the recent republican party drift toward harder line conservetism on this issue. that is the kind of nativism that we have had in our country before, but when we get it, is when normal politics collapses. we are a system that was never explicitly designed this way but we became this way really fast. we are a democratic system that is basically designed to work with two major parties. we're a two-party democracy, yeah, the party names have shifted over time. but when -- we now know from
centuries of existence, right. when two parties in america cannot equally hold their weight in argument, when they cannot take up space in the tension between them to define the realm of decent political discourse, this happens. this has happened before. this happens in our country. there's a reason that david duke from the klu klux klan praised donald trump's praised the tirade as an excellent speech. it's not because david duke is a creep. it's because in the 1920s era clan was the next iteration, right, after the 1850s era, no-nothings. they were prove you iterations of this kind of thing that seeps out of secret societies and into our real politics when real politics fails. donald trump humiliated the republican party this year. right, they ran all of those senators, former senators, governors, former govsh --
governor, he destroyed and humiliated the republican party because the republican party was weak and failing. when it fail the weed that grew up in the space that that tree use to occupy, is a weed that our country has seen before. it's in our soil. it grows when we give it space. it's a weed we've uprooted before. it does keep growing back. it is one of the uglyiest things we have ever been as a country and we are now living it in our generation again. >> that was rachel very early this morning with her reaction to donald trump's immigration speech and rachel will be back here tomorrow night and i'll see you tomorrow afternoon at 4:00
and now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnel, good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, steve, thank you very much. >> sure. >> you know, i'm no good with lyrics. i don't know all the lyrics or even most of the lyrics to most of my favorite songs, it's the music that moves me. i hear the music more than the lyrics. not so with political speeches, then i completely ignore the music and listen only to the lyrics. >> that will be for a later date. >> yes, that's what he said for the beginning, we're going to build a wall and we're going to make mexico discuss who pays for it at a later date. >> this is guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth now he's choking on with his foot in his mouth.