tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC September 1, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
and now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnel, good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, steve, thank you very much. >> sure. >> you know, i'm no good with lyrics. i don't know all the lyrics or even most of the lyrics to most of my favorite songs, it's the music that moves me. i hear the music more than the lyrics. not so with political speeches, then i completely ignore the music and listen only to the lyrics. >> that will be for a later date. >> yes, that's what he said for the beginning, we're going to build a wall and we're going to make mexico discuss who pays for it at a later date. >> this is guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth now he's choking on with his foot in his mouth.
>> the united states, first, second and third generation, mexicans are just beyond reproach. >> as they're known in america, americans. >> and then the speech last night was frightening and devicive. >> after i heard that there was no way i could continue to be part of praud apparatus. >> i think you'll see this really quite a bit of softening. >> he has no idea what the hell he's talking about. here is what donald trump said yesterday. >> mr. president, i want to thank you. it's been a tremendous honor and i call you a friend. thank you. >> i'm sure the president of mexico did not believe him when he called him "a friend" i know that no one would be able to believe when he said he'll force
mexico to pay for a wall. and donald trump proved yesterday just how much you should not believe that by failing to even mention to the president of mexico or push back in any way when the president of mexico opened their discussion by very emphatically telling donald trump that there was no way his crazy idea of having mexico pay for the wall was going to happen. now, just picture donald trump sitting there in mexico being lectured about the shiniest toy in his campaign toy box, the wall being lex lectured by mexico's absolute refusal to pay for that wall and donald trump sitting there mute, too intimidated, apparently, by a real life president to say a word about his number one demand on mexico. that happened because donald trump has been lying from the first moment he mentioned mexico
paying for the wall. and everybody who can think about such things knows that that's a lie. we didn't put up a breaking news banner here when ted cruz called donald trump a pathological liar because it wasn't news, because i've been calling donald trump a liar on this program from five years, from the moment he started lying about president obama's birth certificate. i've been on his media enemy's list for five years now. i was on the first people on it. we had in donald trump's lies about president obama then everything we ever needed to know about donald trump's relation to the truth, all of donald trump's lies, everything he says is always, somehow, in service to image. >> i'm like a really smart person. >> i'm good at this stuff. i went to the great warden
school of finance. >> the image of tough guy is very very important to donald trump. but the only way donald trump can make anyone believe he's tough is with words. >> i would bomb -- out of them. >> and you can tell them to go -- themselves. >> the truth about donald trump is that he grew up a rich kid who never tested his toughness in any way. he didn't join the military during the vietnam war, which could have given him the opportunity to prove how tough he is. he didn't play football in college or, i don't know, join the boxing team, you know, anything that would have in any way tested how tough he is. he's a very clustered rich guy who wears and sells neckties and desperately wants you to believe he's tough. >> zero tolerance for criminal aliens, zero. zero.
[ applause ] zero. they don't come in here. they don't come in here. according to federal data, there are at least 2 million, 2 million, think of it. criminal aliens now inside of our country. 2 million people criminal aliens. we will be begin moving them out day one, as soon as i take office, day one. in joint operation with local, state and federal law enforcement now, just so you understand, the police who we all respect, say hello to the police. they don't get the credit they deserve, i can tell you, they're
great people. the police in law enforcement, they know who these people are, they live with these people. they get mocked by these people. they can't do anything about these people and they want to. they know who these people are, day one, my first hour in office those people are gone. >> did you believe that. did you believe any of it. the 2 million is an invented number. local and state police are stretched to their law enforcement limits and don't have an extra minute to look for the 2 million people. the president has no power to order local and state police officers to do anything if there is a donald trump, local state officers will do nothing different than they were doing
before president trump. in the first hour, federal law enforcement agents will do absolutely nothing differently than what they were doing before president trump. deportation priorities because of that. i knew i was hearing donald trump say nothing. and using a mythological statistic to do it, and at that point it was very clear what his game was. he was at the beginning long speech he was going to make several tough-guy sounding point that is he got to the reason the cable news networks were carrying this speech wise. on this network, we had been dipping into the speeches here and there rather than carrying them because they had become so repetitive. nine days of softening had suddenly made a donald trump
speech news worthy in its entirety, it was nine days ago that donald trump said this: >> is there any part of the law that you might be able to change that would accommodate those people that contribute to society, have been law abiding, have kids here, would there be any room in your mind or -- i know you had a meeting this week? >> i did. i had a meeting with great people there certainly we're not looking to hurt people. we want people. we have some great people in this country. we have some great great people in this country. >> that was a stunning and news worthy moment for the candidate who had insisted every moment of the campaign until then, nine days ago, that all 11 million undocumented people in this country must be rounded up and
deported by a deportation force. >> are you going to have a massive deportation force? >> we're going to have deportation force and you're going to do it humanely. >> he softened of conducting a poll with the hannity audience. >> look, this is like a poll, this is thousands of people in this room, who wants those people thrown out? >> i do. . who wants them? who is the guy that wants them thrown out? no amnesty, no citizenship, et cetera, who doesn't want them out? who does not want them thrown out? >> stand up.
>> for nine days the question suddenly donald trump was hearing a word used about him. >> i think it's. >> 11 million people are -- >> how disappointed would the trump based hero be with their hero. >> only 15% said they would be less likely. the trump campaign knew a choice had to be made to soften or not. imagine donald trump listening to jokes about him softening for over a week.
imagine what that does to someone who cares so much about the tough guy image. donald trump knew what he had to do last night. he knew he had to soften the policy of rounding up 11 million people and deporting every last one of them which everyone should know is impossible he had to do that because the poll said he had to do that. he still needed to sound tough to his base and hopefully sound tough to liberals who would then tell that there was no softening of donald trump's trump position he was just as tough on immags. just as tough on all 11 million people. he had to do a little bit of a magic trick using what magicians used misdirection. he designed to make him sound tough before at the end he revealed his softening on deporting 11 million people.
most of what he was sounding tough about is stuff the government is already doing, prioritizing deportation and he verified. he also sounded tough by talking about things that would never get through congress and, especially, by saying things like this. >> anyone who entered the united states illegally is subject to deportation, that is what it means to have laws and to have a country. >> subject to deportation, not will be deported there is a huge difference as lawyers can tell you. they are all subject to deportation now, all 11 million of them and they always have been. that is the current law, subject to deportation, but they are not deported because it's impossible to do it. it's impossible at every level. at the practical level of trying to find them. at the budget tear of millions of law enforcement officers that
would have to be hired to do this. the judges, the courtrooms that would have to be built. we prioritize as we do with all law enforcement. president obama's america, every undocumented immigrant in this country right now tonight, in their beds is subject to deportation, but well over 90% can sleep soundly in their beds because they're not anywhere near the priority list for deportation. so when i heard donald trump simply recite current law, i heard him say nothing. i know as i saw last night that line meant that there was no softening and donald trump was going to work hard to deport all 11 million people who were subject to deportation. >> when there's something you don't want to say, you have to tuck it way in the back of the speech. you use language that isn't
colorful. phrases like the appropriate disposition. here is what donald trump really said about the 11 million people who he use to pretend he alone, among the presidential candidates was going to deport every last one of them. >> in several years, we'll truly end deportation for good, including the construction of a great wall which we will have built in record time and at a reasonable cost, which you'll never hear from the government. and establishment of new lawful immigration system. then and only then will we be in a position to consider the appropriate disposition of those individuals who remain, that discussion can take place only in an atmosphere in which
illegal immigration is a memory of the past, no longer with us, allowing us to weigh the different options available based on the new circumstances at the time. >> the appropriate disposition. you see what the game is there, he doesn't use language like that when he's trying to make himself understood to his base. the appropriate disposition of those individuals who remain, how would they remain. do you think there's anyone in the trump audience who remembers that line. do you think there's anybody in the trump audience who said, that's the answer to the 11 million people that we've been waiting for for 9 days. we're going to wait several years to decide what the appropriate disposition is for them. that means, that after years of
trump being deportations, he admits there will be millions of people still here. according to his priorities list that because even they are by current law subject to deportation, he will not make any attempt to deport them, according to what he just said, several years from now when he does get around to thinking about them, there's no telling what the appropriate disposition might be. he doesn't know. he's going to have a discussion about it. it could include a path to legalization what that passage, what those words mean was that the trump presidency would do what every president before him has done, ignore the undocumented people who are here and working hard and taking care of their families and staying out of trouble, not take any action against them, just status quo. and that is a softening from
round up and deport every last one of them, every man, woman and child including the grandmothers and the great grandmothers. donald trump didn't want his base to pay much attention to that part of the speech and he didn't want liberals to pay much attention to that part of the speech, he wanted liberals to accuse him of going back to his original position, because donald trump needs the outrage as one of the mechanisms for exciting his base. the most public comment they have delivered what he needed, the absolute denial that there has been any softening. many liberals objected to the lead of today's "new york times" story, donald trump trump made to remake his image on devicive. the "new york times" didn't didn't just listen to the music, they listened to the lyrics and they no longer include deporting 11 million undocumented people. the only lyrics they know is
build the wall and mexico is going to pay for it. they never bother to memorize the rest of the trump lyrics, they don't know tonight that shed his plan to deport 11 million undocumented people. and one of the great of this most of presidential campaign years, there are liberals today, citing and as the honest broker on what he said last night and the latest book sells depend on the advance to the trump campaign publicly approved of what he said last night. he insisted there was no softening do you think ann might
tell a lie for donald trump trump. have you heard anyone whose opinion you respect use ann as proof of anything. speakening of softening, here is something donald trump didn't say last night. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. >> it was never going to happen because it is constitutional and so the trump campaign has softened the hateful unconstitutional muslim ban to be geographically based and not religiously based, specifically aimed, last night, at only two countries, libya and syria. it is constitutional to regulate immigration on a geographic basis, but the trump idea would never get through congress. trump's attitude towards muslims is still poisonous and hateful and damaging and vicious, but
his policy proposal is not what it use to be. now, i know some people think that makes absolutely no difference, but his policy proposal is no longer to ban every muslim from every country on earth from entering the united states, so donald trump has changed his position, very significantly, on two of the most important elements of his signature issue, immigration, he has proven he's not what his base wanted so badly believe that he is. a man of solid consistency, a man they can rely on to ban all muslims from all over the world from entering the country, a man they can rely on to deport every undocumented person, every man, woman, child. they wanted him to be that man. he revealed himself last night to not be that man, but he did it with enough angry misdirection and enough tough sounding talk so that the right people fell for the trick. we'll be right back with what donald trump said on fox news
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softening? >> we're going to see what the people in the country, i want to get the gang members out, the drug dealers out, we've got a lot of people in this country that you can't have and those people will get out. and then we're going to make a decision at a later date, once everything was said, i think you'll see there's quite a bit of softening. >> joining us now, chairman of the federation of member of the young republican federation out reach committee, alex, immigration policy analyst at the cato institute. first of all, to the policy issues last night from donald trump, what i was hearing was an awful lot of current law recited an an angry way, a handful of things that would have to go through congress and couldn't get through congress as long as the fill buster rules are still in the senate. did you hear anything that was a
very significant departure from what we're doing now. >> well, he talked a lot about also slashing legal immigration restricting work visas and adding more in for american workers so basically trying to go back and turn back the clock in terms of the people that come here right now. he also talked a bit about repealing the president's executive orders to try to expose more people to removal by deportation right now. but you're absolutely right, most of what he talked about is currently law and without congress giving him more money or resources he's really going to have his hands tied.
trying to do is get credit for things, it will be like someone coming up saying i'm going to raise the top tax rate to 39%, you know, but what about the -- what he wants to do, another thing, this notion of when you're applying for visa, which just parenthetically, they come from the over 30 country that is don't require visas, they don't even have visas, they don't need them to enter the country. he wasn't clear about this questioning that he wants to do about people's belief systems, what stage that would occur at. and work to occur at some of the stages of say green card and so forth, a lot of that is already in the system. >> oh, it absolutely is, i mean, if you say that you want to over throw the u.s. government by
violence or something like that, or cause a revolution, then you can be barred from coming from the united states. we had a ban for a long time for communist being able to come to this country, it's not that different from the past. the difference -- the big difference is that during the cold war we had these, the other side of the coin was that we allowed more refugees from communist countries who were fleeing. donald trump wanted to have more refugees fleeing these states and once they clamped down and stamped all of that. he's actually doing a lot different from what people in the past did who were worried about ideologies, he's not allowing those people seeking freedom or shelter to be able to come here. >> your reaction to the speech last night? >> i'll tell you what we're watching here is a war over conservetism you have the liberty minded folks like myself who want small government. i heard democratic solutions,
big government solutions, increasing our taxes by increasing the size of the government and also we sort of had a betrayal. you've had loyal hispanic republicans who came out 44% for w. bush, since those days we've seen the republican us and he chose fair numbers usa and he chose the restrictionist point of view instead of the free market point of view. what happened, is we saw -- we're watching -- the actual end of an era where the big ten compassion conservative p point of view. the casualty were the casualty has spannic vote. >> as republican, i want to ask you a couple of things, first of all, he never said anything about taxes. i agree with you, he had a lot of stuff in there that you have to pay for. he never said a word about how it would be paid for, including
all of this new hiring he wants to do, which is not an extraordinary amount of new hiring. we have tripled the border patrol before and, by the way, had little effect result. there's not a word raising taxes, which strikes me more evidence how unrealistic and impossible the whole thing was. what about your position in relation to this presidential nominee. >> well, you know, we've seen this before. the double down on the strategy, that's what we want to make a point tonight is that i want to tell fellow republicans when election night comes and you see the results, it is important to remember this is the day we gave away traditional battleground states. alex, he's been fighting this war along with me, we've been taking on the organizations. everything that trump said last night was all from the numbers usa talking points and that's sad. >> yeah. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. up next, the islamic state,
it's amazing, but the islamic state and the kkk actually agree on something, they want both donald trump to be the next president. i will predict for you exactly what he'll be asked and what his answer will be with a black pastor, it will sound if i'm reading it from a script. and the truth of it is the "new york times" actually got the script. there is a script and the reporter who revealed that will join us. blatche . s jo
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my life things got busy with business but my family kept me grounded to the truth and the word of god. i treasure my relationship with my family and through them i have a strong faith enriched by an ever wonderful god. joining us now, someone who helped me greatly in making these predictions leaked script shows what advisers want donald trump to say at black church. extraordinary range of endorsements. this article, i don't know, it's the crazy point. it may be the single craziest revelation in the campaign. there's a crypt for what the pastor is going to say in the
interview and what donald trump's trumps answers are going to be. >> yes. senior said he felt like this was an info -- i got my hand on this script. it's about eight pages long. it's word for word what his advisers and aid hope he says. he said some -- he will say, i guess, some really interesting things, i suspect the script will change now that we've put it on the front page. we should not highlight but reduce talk of race in order to fix the racial issues in america. he hopes he wants to take away the idea that race is a factor in our government. he said he doesn't want to nationalize policing, he doesn't want to have national policing reform. it's about 12 questions. i got my hands on it last night. it was a remarkable to me that i was able to get a script for something that i'm going to see on saturday. >> you held in your hands
something that none of us ever have, a script like this has never been revealed in a campaign like this. i mean, as you read it, when i was just reading those words that donald trump is suppose to say, they are so not donald trump. how is he going to play that character? >> well, it's tough. and i feel like the only way he can play this character, it doesn't sound like donald trump, if he had a teleprompter and because it's a private interview, there could be a teleprompter where he uses and the bishop have his questions written out and he reads from the teleprompter and given these answers. i also suspect there are a couple of answers one of them why should undecided black voters vote for you, you know, i'm appealing to you, i'm going to be a good partner to you, my standings are 8% and they're climbing. i think there are a couple of things that sound like him. it's going to be hard for him without feeling as though someone wrote them for him. >> he probably won't be asked if how the klu klux klan feels about him.
>> you paying attention to the presidential election? >> oh, yes. >> in your own personal opinion who is best for the job? >> i think donald trump would be best for the job. >> the reason because of a lot of what he believes we believe in. >> there's so much crazy stuff piled on top of crazy stuff in every news cycle it's hard to keep it all in a frame. you framed this very strange range of endorsements for donald trump, from the clan to isis. >> we've been focused all the prominent republicans who have failed to endorse trump. it's illuminating. it tells you something. it's also illuminating when you have an remarkable array of people that are embracing, you
have north korea, who knew they gave presidential endorsements. you have russia and china favoring them. and you have isis, isis fans have in recent days kind of gone on their forums and said how much of a boon he would be to recruiting, for example. >> and isis in its very traverse way can play in our electoral in effect by this by the issues they might make for issues they might try to carry out. >> russia and isis can both do that. he may have a surprise from russia is e-mail. and isis if they care deeply about helping trump, then, frankly, a terrorist incident, perhaps, with a muslim with refugee status in the u.s. i think would be helpful.
i'm sure they know that. >> now, the trump campaign has gotten a little bit of practice now about exactly what they should say about these kind of endorsements like the klan. they're rehearsed to the point we don't want that endorsement or they turn it down. they picked the point where they had communicated clearly enough with the clan that this is what they're going to have to do from now on just, you know, deny that they want the endorsement. >> well, i've talked to some of the extremist groups like the klan, they say, we don't want to talk about who we're supporting and we don't want to talk about going into, like there's someone going to be a delegate, but he didn't want to tell them who, exactly, from the organization was going to actually be at the convention. and that had to do with the fact they realized at some point this looks negative to the general population and they realize the klan or someone else going out it hurts his candidacy and his appeal.
they've gotten a little bit part on their end, too. i talked to many of them, who say that african-americans should be basically sent back somewhere, africa, but somewhere. they've been telling me they're excited about donald trump and they're more excited about donald trump than they've ever been in a candidate. usually these kind of groups don't really go into politics, they don't go endorse political candidates but donald trump is a different person. >> we'll have to leave it there for tonight. thank you, both, for amazing articles, i really appreciate it. coming up, another republican for hillary clinton will join us. and mark cuban thinks he has figured out why donald trump is hiding his tax returns. hey team, i know we're tight on time, but i really need a...
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endorse hillary clinton and try to help hillary clinton. how did you go all the way to hillary clinton. >> because i want to defeat donald trump, because i think he's unfit to be president and i think he's ruining the republican party. the way you defeat donald trump is by voting against him. so a lot of my friends are in those other positions that you talked about. they don't quite know what to do. they're thinking about abstaining or voting for the libertarian. what i'm saying if you want to beat donald trump, you actually have to vote against them and that's what we're trying to encourage people to do. >> i suspect that some of your friends can vote against him, can vote for hillary clinton, but they don't have to say so publicly. that invites a whole other level of scrutiny that you've -- that
you are not offering yourself to. >> i think that's true. we're finding more and more people, that they are going to vote for hillary clinton. people like hank paulson, carlos, the former congress secretary. there's no doubt in my mind that we'll see a lot of that. i think it's important they say what they're going to be doing as far as voting is concerned that encourages others to do the same. we're trying to create a safe space. the polls show millions of rank and file republicans who are going to vote for hillary clinton. i would like to see millions more. i think the trump victory is going to be the last nail in the coffin from the time abraham lincoln believed in liberty and respect for the individual. we've got a completely situation. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> coming up, polls show most americans want to know and
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richard nixon released his tax -- if you can't get up to the ethical standard of richard nixon, i mean -- >> joining us now, david k. johnston column, new book "the making of donald trump" is currently on the "new york times" best seller list. okay, david, pass through income, subchapter s, what's mark cuban talking about? >> let me lay out how donald does his taxes and all likelihood pays no taxes. he has a business that pays him a salary, that's taxable. but he has real estate, loses money. he's a full time real estate professional. the losses over here, offsets the salary, no tax. then he has a business, it's
making a big profit, that profit flows straight through to his tax return he reports it. but he has another business over here that he's drained of so much cash of the past, it's now failing and losing money, it reports a loss. the profit is offset by the loss, donald gets all this money and pays no tax. it's a great system if you're in the system of sucking money out of enterprises and watching them fail. mark cuban creates wealth that produces income for you. >> let's go to the point you
made because he's in the real estate business he might be able to show great losses. >> right. >> is that because in commercial real estate, you get to depreciate a deshl -- a building as if it is going down in value, so at home, i mean, imagine if on your tax return you've got to pretend your house was declining in value while it was in increaing in value. and show that on your tax return. hoip i didn't lose anybody out there. >> you got that exactly right. you get to imagine your building as losing money and therefore you get to write off the loss. here is the better part of that, you and everybody listening to this show, we're not allowed to do that. but donald is a full time real estate professional, one of a narrow group of people. there's a saying among big real estate tax lawyers, if you're a big family in real estate and you're paying income taxes, you should sue your lawyer for malpractice. >> that whole depreciation comes from the notion that everything in invests in depreciates like if you buy a truck, it's going to depreciate.
>> that's true about the truck. if you take care of a building, trump tower will be there, it's a concrete building, it might be there 2,000 years from now, he's gotten to write it off if it's going to collapse tomorrow. a truck is not a machine tool or automobile or computer, a building is not, the law treats it if it is. by the way, you and i subsidize it, when people like donald trump pay little or no tax, the government has to get the revenue somewhere else, loser. >> what about donald trump's tax plan, with all these massive tax cuts would any of that benefit him, does he need any tax cut legislation. >> no, because we know that in '78, we have very good reason to think in recent years his income on his tax returns is less than a half million dollars because he got the special thing we have in new york called the star property tax rebate, a computer looks at your tax return to the state if it's less than half million, they cut you a little check for a couple of hundred dollars. if he has real income, yeah,
that would help him if he's paying taxes, he would pay at lower write. >> the book is called the making of donald trump. it's all in there. we'll be right back. when heartburn comes creeping up on you. fight back with relief so smooth and fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source.
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no. no. they said, headlines "maybe she came in illegally, maybe" let me tell you one thing, she has got it so documented she's going to have a little news conference. let's have a little news conference. >> next couple of weeks, that was three weeks ago. so i guess maybe press meet the new trump, same as the old trump. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm ari melber. after talk of potentially softening on immigration, donald trump last night as well as today doubling down on the hard