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"morning joe" starts right now. >> hey, guys. >> hi. >> welcome to our big plane! it's so exciting. >> what do you think? >> i think it's pretty cool. don't cool. don't you? you're supposed to say yes. >> watch the camera. >> i am so happy to have all of you with me. i was just waiting for this moment. >> ask you about -- obviously hillary is having us on her plane? >> is that what she's doing? >> it's a different kind of plane the way it's set up. it's not set up with seats. kellyanne i have no problem with that, with letting some of the folks travel. >> it's a different kind of plane. >> hillary clinton and donald trump speaking with the press on their planes over the holiday weekend. >> mark halperin is back. >> i just want to finish what i was saying, at one point parked
on the same tarmac in ohio. labor day saw the debut of clinton's campaign 737 carrying traveling press corps with the candidate for the first time. although trump's press corps did not travel with him, he did take questions from the pool saying he would be open. >> didn't you go on the trump plane for the circus, deep in the primary season? >> couple of times. it's nice on there. her plane looks nice, too. i look forward to flying on that one. >> he says his isn't configured. why not? why isn't his configured for the press? >> it's fancy. >> it's fancy. >> they are facing each other. >> it's tuesday september 6th. with us on set we have managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host "with all due respect" you just saw him airs 6:00 on msnbc. where have you been? >> getting camera rested and
ready, a presidential tradition. >> it is nice. did you see all the people subbing for him? >> it was like a parade. >> we did our best. he was missed. >> also with us former communications director for george w. bush nicolle wallace and economic adviser steve ratner. >> very rested. he's full on 100% of his banker suit. your attitude, i guess, this is the first day of the year. >> dress for success. >> show them your pocket watch. >> monicle. >> in washington we have david ignatius. also with us, good morning, pulitzer prize columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. >> this is really the first
day -- >> of the rest of our lives. >> for the rest of our lives. this is traditional opening of campaign season. >> it is. so now what you see is what you get with these candidates. we have a lot to get to this morning. i'm just going to start with what trump is leading with trying to make it look like hillary clinton is sick or something because she coughed. just want to know where tim kaine was when he was clapping behind her for two minutes like this. if i had a coughing fit on the air, what would you do? probably take over and help out. tim kaine, come on. what are you doing? >> probably -- >> step up, take a mike, get a drink of water. >> he's a little awkward. >> we have conspiracy theories. >> this proves -- >> help out. >> it's a tough schedule. it's a really rough schedule. sometimes you cough and do stuff like that.
>> look, if she had a health issue, do you think she would have been on the road? >> no, it's silly. >> here is a little of the call. >> i don't want to show it. >> i thought you wanted to. i wasn't going to bring it up. >> congresswoman marsha fudge for hosting us. >> this guy is up for two minutes, he's back there. i was playing parchese with my kids. >> mark halperin. >> he was waiting for her to stop. >> trump is going to jump only one, crowd goes crazy. guys, campaign, please help.
all right. over with that story. >> great. >> happy labor day. speaking of labor day, we're going to talk about this. okay. the fbi has to pretend like they were trying to do this job better than they were. they interview hillary on the saturday of fourth of july weekend to kill that story, then they release these fbi notes labor day weekend. the interview was so pathetic. they had cheryl mills, had her lawyers in, but who also were the principles in destroying the documents, deciding what documents to destroy and shred or not. unbelievable. unbelievable. nicole, were you shocked by the fbi notes you saw? >> well, i always keep up on the news, but i was scrolling through and it's like oh, my
god, this is like press tactics 1990, dump it on friday. we live in 24/7 world. >> unbelievable. >> where everyone was campaigning. the notion that there could be more to come would be the thing that would keep me up all night. her biggest problem is this vibe that she isn't forthcoming. the way the information has come up didn't help her that came out on friday. >> probably not back into it. >> what's so shocking is -- >> i'll do the story. >> again, you actually have people who are principles. if this is a criminal investigation, if they find something in hillary clinton's interview that makes it possible for them to indict her or other people on her staff, they have the key players sitting there listening to the testimony while she's being interviewed. that never happens. >> we have david and gene as well as steve here, i admit i
backed into this story but let's not back into this one it complicated. hillary clinton's e-mail, on the friday before labor day fbi released details of its three-hour interview it conducted saturday of the fourth of july weekend over the summer. the notes reveal clinton could not recall or remember key details of more than three dozen times she said she believed the c for confidential in some documents actually stood for the order of paragraphs and not the level of classification or her claim she relied on her staff for classification decisions and had no recollection of receiving training in handling sensitive material. the notes revealed there were efforts to breach accounts on the server with secretary clinton responding to an e-mail with a potentially malicious link. a computer specialist deleted archive mailbox weeks after the
server became public, or that she used 13 devices for e-mails, some of which were destroyed with a hammer. >> hold on. stop right there. i want to stop right there. they got two of the blackberries, took them outside with a hammer and destroyed them, some would say destroying evidence. they lost -- they lost, what, 10, 11 blackberries. they can't account for. david ignatius, they cannot account for 10, 11 blackberries, they lost an e-mail scene to the office, lost in the mail. a wonderful time for fbi to go, give us a tracking number and we'll help you find it. the fbi let all these sleeping dogs lie, all the fbi notes. instead of saying x lied or y lied or x and y's testimony,
actually their recollections were completely -- sandalson and mills recalled it completely opposite. they let sleeping dogs lie. they left it out there. where is the laptop? why didn't the fbi make the most modest of efforts. go ahead, david, you're holding the notes. >> knowing your intense interest in the e-mails. >> i swear to god it's not my intense interest. it should be anybody who is a lawyer's interest how shabbily the fbi ran this. >> my only point, i did try to look at the material released over the weekend. it does back up jim comey's basic summary, the headline we had a few months ago, this was grossly sloppy management of the records, procedures surrounding the records. that's what comey said in some
of the material. comey went on to say he did not find evidence of violation of law that prosecutors could take to court. that's still, joe, what i felt looking for details. there's some moments taking a blackberry you're not going to use anymore that looked awful. if there was material on those blackberries that married with this investigation that would be a potential violation of law. >> do you think there's sports scores on there? was hillary looking at sports scores? no. people destroy hard drives every minute somewhere in the minute they are taking a ham tore hard drives. >> secretary of state that has improper server out there. >> these notes don't open new ground so much as they confirm what comey, the fbi director said, this is extremely sloppy but doesn't expose.
>> the fbi exposed itself to be weak. hard not to see it that way. >> what's shocking to me is find a prosecutor anywhere in america that will come on television today and tell you that they will allow principles to an investigation to sit in on another principle's investigation in the middle of a case. >> and drop everything on holidays. >> there's so much to say about fbi's conduct here. those that are skeptical about how he's done this, look at the friday's release. the guy has not had a press conference. he talks transparency. i've become critical of him. i know he has a sterling reputation. >> not with me. >> to release on friday as if he's an arm of the campaign, i was stunned. there's a lot of information that's of great public interest. is the best time to release this, to get a full public hearing on friday before labor
day. >> following up an interview with hillary clinton on saturday, fourth of july weekend. >> i really believe he's called his own impartiality into question by what he's done. the number of new legitimate questions raised by this material it's too many. we could fill three hours talking about it. doesn't mean she should be indicted necessarily -- necessarily, but it does mean there are a lot of questions the fbi didn't follow up on. >> the fbi followed up -- gene robinson the fbi failed to follow up on so many things, conflicting testimony, missing laptops that contained all the secretary of state's e-mails subject to this. >> they are still missing. location unknown. >> location unknown. they just left it hanging out there. you get tracking numbers for ups. >> the material requested by house committee, went and
destroyed the information they were looking for afterwards. >> yeah. gene, go ahead. >> here is my question, joe, how often do you hear from fbi such voluminous information on a case they decide not to prosecute. how often does the fbi come out and say we don't see a crime here. we don't see a crime here that can be. >> randy: >> gene, i agree with you. >> yet they release volumes and volumes and volumes of information. >> the fbi got it wrong going both ways. the fbi was unfair. i think the fbi was shoddy in their process. they left too mabe things up in the air. this was political. they never were going to indict hillary clinton. you know what, if you're jim comey and you're not going to indict hillary clinton, treat hillary clinton like every other american and shut your mouth, but he did not do it. you know why? he knew she probably needed to be indicted but he wasn't going to do it in an election year. he made his bed.
he should sleep in it instead of continuing to leak this out. the fbi is solely -- by shoddy, shoddy -- again, what are they going to do, keep dribbling this out was jim comey feels bad about himself? >> this is a question. i do think dribbling out is weird. i think if i were in the clinton campaign, i would say, what's the deal here. it would certainly be in the interest of their campaign to get everything out that's going to come out if they are going to keep putting stuff out there. whether or not it's on a holiday eve. in fact, the sort of every once in a while, here is a bunch of new stuff about hillary clinton that you might think is shady but we decided there's nothing really wrong here. >> it's crazy. i want to get steve in here. first nbc's andrea mitchell asked clinton to account for her judgment in these matters.
>> does that to critics indicate a casual attitude towards classification and towards the way secrets were kept and protected when you were secretary of state. >> not at all, andrea. i went into the state department understanding classification. i had been on the armed services committee for years before i was secretary of state. i take classification seriously. the fact i couldn't remember certain meetings, whether or not it occurred, doesn't in any way affect the commitment i had and still have to the treatment of classified material. >> the fact she was on armed services committee, i was on armed services. i got put on there four separate times. i can tell you, if i had classified information on my blackberry, i wouldn't lose it. it's unaccountable. they have 10 unaccountable, 10
blackberrys and they destroyed two. again, i want to be very clear, steve, the ship has passed. she's not being indicted. what everybody is seeing this morning are questions about the fbi's conduct. comey made his decision, done. fine. she's not indicted. but this was an extraordinarily sloppy investigation, and i would say on this side of it -- i personally think, you know, cheryl mills, my god, there are people in the justice department that are scared to death of cheryl mills, i guess. i cannot believe what she got away with during this process. but if nobody is being indicted, the indictment now is with the fbi but a really, really showed investigation and a wrap-up of it. what did comey have the press conference? if you're in the doing to indict her, do have a press conference to make your self feel better, don't release notes to make your self feel better.
>> one, i agree with you. i think a number of the ways fbi handled timing of this release, the interview the secretary of the holiday on a holiday weekend and announce on tuesday, i think it was, or monday, you're not going to prosecute her just doesn't look great. i agree with all that. number two, i don't think, and i think mark agrees with me, i don't think it would have been possible for fbi to say we decided not to prosecute her. >> totally disagree. >> i don't think it would be possible for fbi to say we're not going to prosecute her and not offer any explanation or back-up for how they reached that decision, just given the nature of this. people who think it was political now would have thought ten times more political if they had done that number three, i think her handling, we said this, all said this, handling of classified e-mail information from her e-mails was showed. >> was terrible. >> she was cavalier. requirements under foia,
requirements under national security. comey is great, comey has a lot of credibility, then they need to own the report. the report said she might have been hacked. >> i will take shoddy, fine. i don't think we learned anything about as secretary of state what she did do and didn't do that shows -- >> this is about the cover-up. >> this is about the cover-up, nothing she did as secretary of state. >> mabe things about this report that are new. she property her blackberry into the secure area on the state department floor. she wasn't supposed to do that. >> decisions she made as secretary of state. not handling e-mail. >> comey or hillary? >> hillary. >> there's lots in this report that's new. i don't think the report should have been released. i think comey shouldn't have a press conference. you make a decision not to indict, you can say that and that's it. i really think it's not
unprecedented but unadvisable. >> as unadvisable as president clinton meeting with loretta lynch on a plane in phoenix. >> she brought her blackberry into the state department according to this report. she claims she didn't use it but she brought it in there. >> we learned blackberrys were smashed with a hammer. >> when she was done with a blackberry. >> if you're a normal person and hate your choices, 59% don't like her, 69% don't like him, you woke up this morning hating your choices even more. if you're a republican trying to get to hillary clinton, you spend time in a bar and say to your friends, if she cannot lie for eight weeks she'll be president. she can be overcome in people's minds she has a cavalier relationship with the law, maureen dowd has been talking about it for decades and this
makes it worse. >> a continuing series and more and more for e-mails as they go through the process for the state department to be released. she's going to have every week or two, whatever it's going to be between now and november, more e-mails are doing to come out and that's a problem. >> i will just say, i've been clear, a lot speaks to her judgment. but this is one thing she did and i do think the coverage is out of whack compared to a lifetime of other things she's done and compared to lots of other stuff donald trump has done. >> i agree with that. >> this is in the news, something voters should think about, still unanswered questions but there's unanswered questions about other things. >> it's one thing she did all day every day. it's not just one thing she did. >> she made cavalier decision this is the way she wanted to do e-mails. >> this is how she communicated with everyone in her life for four years. >> david ignatius looking at her as secretary of state conducting this way and fbi revealing in
their own very flawed way the problems that happened here, what do you make of this? >> we know a lot about her performance as secretary of state. i traveled with her followed that week by week. that should be a more important part of the campaign. it tells us about her and how she will behave as president. we know increasingly about these e-mail issues and the feeling that most lawyers had at the beginning that she had administratively made real mistakes in every aspect of this. how the servers were set up, how they were managed, how she interacted with them. that picture deepens with each new revelation but it's never seen to most lawyers who looked at this to be something that rises to the level of a criminal violation. the issue is still obstruction of justice not misuse of classified information. so absent a finding on that -- >> you're talking about
secretary of state. >> i'd love to see more attention -- everybody that serves in these positions runs administrative issues about classified information. >> obstruction of justice. >> not to this level. not to this level. >> joe, you're hearing a different account than i am from people who follow this. >> did bob gates run into these problems? pick. susan rice? >> i have never been traveling with a government official that some comes person hasn't been furious some procedure wasn't followed. that aside, we really should have more discussion about her performance as isn't of state. >> what's her greatest legacy as secretary of state? >> i would say the best thing she did was give advice to the president that was generally not followed. first of all, i think her advice about egypt, mubarak. >> accomplishment working with
another country, accomplishment as secretary of state. >> you could say she helped get two crucial things going, rebalance to asia, one of obama's legacy issues. and secondly, the whole process of secret negotiation of what became iran nuclear deal began under clinton. i don't want to make the case for clinton as a great secretary of state, i'm saying that's the kind of issue at this stage of the campaign i would expect we'd be hearing more about, not these little details about hammers and hard drives on cell phones. >> okay. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll get to new polling in a bit. first, if you thought donald trump had a message on immigration policy but i don't think you thought that. >> oh, no. he said -- >> how trump managed to muddle the message once again now with two months left. >> he does this every day. he switches messages every day.
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there's 63 days left to election day, mika. >> as the end of labor day marks beginning of the final stretch in an nbc news survey monkey online poll just out, the race is effectively static with clinton holding onto six-point lead over trump second straight lead 48-42. new national poll taken thursday to sunday shows trump and clinton statistically tied. the cnn orc gives trump slide edge, 45 to 43 among likely voters. 7% go to gary johnson and 2% for jill stein. >> mark halperin how do you account for one poll having hillary up by six and cnn poll trg trump up by two.
>> depends on the screen how they are finding likely voters. i'm interested in national polls. at this point this election is about four states. if you do a national poll, one in seven of those people are from california, heavily tilting towards clinton. so again, national polls are fine but this is about north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania and florida. >> gene, a lot closer than people would expect at this point. >> yeah. certainly the last couple of weeks you'd have to say there was tightening of the race. you could look at it as the evaporation, perhaps, of her convention bounce and the race settling into a more familiar kind of pattern. i agree with mark halperin, do you have to look at those states to really get a seb of where the vote is. if mark said one in seven of those polled are going to be
from california, one in nine is going to be from texas, which, you know, is going to lean right. >> to your point, gene, clinton is holding onto a slim lead in a number of key swing states. in north carolina, rcp average has her leading trump by about 1%. in florida and ohio she's up nearly 3%. in virginia and pennsylvania, around 6%. her lead is about seven points in michigan and is at 9% in new hampshire. >> david ignatius, hillary clinton up by two, three points, but certainly nothing like the lead coming out of the democratic convention. >> she has basically lost half the lead she had after the conventions, the two conventions together. i think what should worry her is that the argument that was so effective for her in that earlier period of the race, donald trump is psychologically unfit to be president. hillary clinton didn't have to say anything.
she could just let donald trump good on tv every day an that was her campaign message. i think that may be running out of steam. trump is trying to be more controlled, present a somewhat different face. so i think in the clinton campaign there must be a serious question about whether this slippage will continue over the next two months and how they arrest it. they can't make her a different candidate. we know hillary clinton is the way she is. she has strengths as a person, administrator but she's never been a great campaigner, especially in the close. >> steve ratner, i'm worried. >> it is worrisome when you see these polls, some of which are pretty scary. given who she's running against, you'd think she'd have a massive lead, this would be a landslide, running against someone unqualified to be president. to mark's point, you look at it
state by state, figure out the math and jigsaw pieces and what trump would have to do to win, i still think at the end of the day she will pull this out. >> if trump has a good first debate, tv ads go on the air more equitably what she's been on with and more document releases that hurt her, the race could still hurt her. she still has fundamental advantage, electoral college favors her. >> you bring up a good point. in the trump campaign, they held their money. they haven't advertised. they have been saying for two months they were going to wait until after labor day, and then they were going to start. so trump -- in the cnn poll trump is up two points and she haven't begun advertising yet. if you're hillary's team, what are you thinking? >> the other thing, they are going to go in the first debate with her having successfully prosecuted the case david ignatius just mentioned that
he's a madman. he has the potential to take the stage. if he looks anything less than deranged far exceeds expectation. their positioning for the debate is disastrous. >> high on the list of expectations, they are concerned if trump shows up he'll be declared the winner. >> if he speaks softly and reads the phone book he'll be declared the winner. >> again, i go back to 1980 where jimmy carter and democratic party tried to paint reagan out as a madman the entire campaign. suddenly he looked like a nice, passive granddad and they got destroyed in the expectations game. there you go again, there was the reaction to jimmy carter saying ronald reagan is going to be a dangerous war mongering president. the expect is a it's all in trump's favor.
>> two differences between now and 1981. 1980 in the midst of double digit inflation, hostages in iran. >> currently 75% wrong track. >> people feel as that. >> two, reagan was actually qualified to be president. reagan served two terms as governor pence of california. >> you would never have known, david ignatius, based on what people are saying before that debate, the fascist gun in the west. >> a hollywood actor. >> he could start world war iii. gerald ford saying governor reagan couldn't get us into war, president reagan can. there is a parallel, isn't there? >> i think there is. this first debate will be absolutely riveting. the clinton campaign is trying to think how can we get under his skin and get the reactions that will show he's
temperamentally unsuited. trump is going how do i do the equivalent of going to mexico and show a different face. there's so much riding on it, you're going to wonder as each minute goes by who is going to crack. it will shape, i think, the rest of the race. >> coming up, republican senator jeff flake is no fan of trump's immigration plan and trump no fan of jeff flake. that and the must-read opinion pages. okay... what if a million people download the new app? we're good. five million? good. we scale on demand. hybrid infrastructure, boom. ok. what if 30 million people download the app? we're not good. we're total heroes. scale on demand with the number one company in cloud infrastructure. hewlett packard enterprise. ♪ ♪
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>> won't even give proper stairs to get off the airplane. did you see that? other leaders coming down with beautiful red carpet and obama is coming down a metal staircase. guarantee it was built in china, wasn't built here. okay. he's coming down a metal staircase in the back of the plane. i have to tell you, if that were me, you know what, folk, i respect you a lot but close the doors and let's get out of here of it's a sign of respect. >> david ignatius, it's a sign of a lot. "the new york times" article on this was just absolutely riveting about the standoff and shouting between chinese officials and american officials shouting down susan rice. what was going on there? why the absolute contempt for u.s.? forget obama officials, treating united states officials in
china. it was outrageous. >> there are various theories being quoted as to why this very unusual interaction happened. they didn't have experience dealing with vips. this is a period when u.s.-china relations are prickly. as the "time" said it's unlikely xi jinping ordered the big ramp be provided, it's also likely chinese officials didn't want to immediately seen as complying with secret service and u.s. request to do this and do that. i have to say if you've ever seen secret service operate overseas, they do get kind of pushy. if you're a local security service in some foreign country, people's noses get out of joint.
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that's how this trip obama -- everything wen wrong. by the way, i stand with my president. >> me, too. >> when he's overseas. the disrespect that was shown to my president and my country was nothing less than disgraceful. >> thank you, joe. good. >> i want to start with the china incident if we can. >> just take it. no, that's good. no script. >> george w. bush went places where he was hated, where he was loved. he went to venezuela. was he ever treat thad way? by the way, susan rice. if my national security adviser was yelled at by a chinese official, i would bolt over there and say, i don't know who you are. >> i believe it to be true. if someone messed with condoleezza rice -- i think they would have messed with the president before condoleezza
rice, i think he would have punched him. >> he would have gotten in there. >> i went to the summit he spoke after hugo chavez. we went to places where the hostility tour, president bush and the administration was extreme and we were never treated like the president -- this president was treated in china, ever. >> richard haass is here, council on foreign relations. >> insults from philippines leader. >> what happened and what do you think? >> china, wanting to step in and become the next great power, wanting to be respected on the world stage. to treat the united states president, to treat the united states national security adviser this way is inexplicable. >> describe exactly what happened. >> i think it is explicable. >> you've been talking about it for years. >> the president showed up. the proper steps weren't there. all sorts of issues. the press wasn't allowed to go
places. >> it was a mess. >> unraveled, chinese officials incredibly combative. the question what's going on. were these rogue officials? highly unlikely. china is not a place your career is going to benefit from going rogue. >> that's a great way to put it. >> military leadership, some local guy. what i think it says less about obama than china. this is nationalism pure and simple and raw. this is chinese assertiveness. what's happened to china, steve will i think agree with this, as the economy has slowed, chinese leadership need to find a new source of legitimacy. they need to find a new way of connecting with the people. >> you're basically saying they are going to morph into russia, a foreign policy based on resentment. >> we hope it doesn't. that's the challenge now, more combative, nor nationalist country. they feel this is their time. they need to be respected. this is their moment in the sun. i think we're seeing this
behavior. >> gene, we have presidential candidates that will tamp down tensions between united states and china. >> yeah, right. not going to happen. i think it's going to get worse. i think richard is absolutely right in terms of the nationalism that we cause there and the prickliness. china is increasingly treating its neighborhood like its private neighborhood and resentful of the state's influence in asia. i think that will continue. i would remind nicole of one thing, though. george w. bush did have a shoe thrown at him when he was overseas, a sign of disrespect. >> in iraq by a journalist. we wouldn't expect less from journalists. >> david ignatius, what's with the disrespect of this country and the president, the philippines i'm reading the script here. the philippines president called the president, quote -- >> don't say it. don't say it. >> i won't say it but the
philippines president made an extraordinarily offensive comment about barack obama but also his mother. >> i don't know what he said. >> then the president canceled the meeting. >> i'm not going to read it out loud. what's going on? >> late in barack obama's term out in asia where he had really fought to make a mark to rebalance u.s. strength, the president got a series of what you would have to say are rebuffs. there is evidence countries don't take the u.s. and leaders as seriously as they should. to be honest rampgate is so -- needs the united states, working closely on issues with the south china sea, making military commitments to help them, here is their president using the most insulting president.
i must note after using similarly insulting language about the u.s. ambassador in manila. i think this kind of behavior says people around the world feel they have an easier time taking a cheap shot at our united states should bother all of us. >> it should. this, sort of an icy stare between president obama and russian president vladimir putin front of cameras before sitting down for a 90 minute discussion. the president said they held business-like talks on a number of issues including ongoing cyber attacks on the u.s., put a stop to the war in syria along with the fight against isis. >> we have had productive conversations about what a real cessation of hostilities would like like, that would allow us both, united states and russia, to focus our attention on common enemies like isil and nusra.
but given the gaps of trust that exist, that's a tough negotiation. we haven't yet closed the gaps in a way we think would actually work. >> i was struck in the first couple of meetings with vladimir putin with president obama how disrespectful putin's body language was, slump in his chair, the sort of thing a lot of leaders would say if you're not interested, i'll get up and leave now. the icy stare, business discussions means absolutely nothing happened. is this, the disrespect, is that being shown to the president specifically? is that being shown to the united states standing in the world in 2016, a little of both? why one insult after another this week? >> i think it's a little bit of both. i think it's because the
president's centerpiece of the policy is getting trade agreement passed. nothing happening there. not on the ground in serious ways in syria, russia much more. what's happening in areas of the united states seen as retrenching, not seen as pushing. russians are all in syria, chinese all in asia, turks in their neighborhood and united states is seen as not all in. of course u.s. influence is going to win to some extent. that's what we're seeing here. >> nothing good happened on syria policy at this meeting there. >> nothing. nothing happened at g-20. the ostensive reason for all this, big gathering of leaders, virtually nothing to show for it. >> david, we've made the complaint around the table, not you, talking about a lot of people in new york leading from behind, not being assertive, being so cautious he didn't want to do stupid stuff and basically obsessed to not be george w.
bush and dick cheney, but that doesn't explain the contempt that we've seen this week towards the president and u.s. officia officials. care to take a shot at that and what's going on? >> briefly, i think when they look at barack obama's presidency they will see a president who desperately wanted to pull american forces and power and commitment out of the middle east, which he thought was a loser, and rebalance in his phrase to asia. at the end of this presidency, we're stuck in the middle east fighting a war halfheartedly in syria that is something the president can't escape, won't escape the day he leaves office. in asia, which was supposed to be the strategic crowning point of his policy, the president goes out on his last trip and is treated, as we've noted, with a kind of contempt. certainly didn't accomplish much. so i think on both ends of that, the president must feel this
effort i made -- if he's honest, has not gone the way it should have. >> and like donald trump's pivots end up being reality, there never was a pivot to asia. you complained about it. they never made that pivot to asia. is this the result of that? >> the result of what we didn't do in the middle east and what we never implemented. 80% of life is showing up. policy has got to be implemented. to declare a pivot and carry out a pivot are two different things. >> didn't they say 80%. >> david ignatius, thank you as well. >> great to see you. >> great to be here. >> tomorrow's show -- >> by the way, david, tomorrow we're going to annotate and set the music to fbi notes. please bring your top hat. >> fabulous. i'll bring a ukulele. >> tomorrow senator bob corker will be our guest, look forward
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here is the deal. mika has somebody else to go after tim kaine. >> he's the nicest guy in the world. he's so cute. >> fumbled the football yesterday. >> gosh, help out. >> super tuesday in 2008, i know what it's like. i was on the trail. once it start, it gets worse if you try to talk through it. all tim kaine had to do was take the microphone, filibuster for a few minutes, let her get a drink of water. she pushed through it. >> amazing. she's not sick. >> no conspiracy. you go out -- >> carry lozenges with you. >> she came back and pushed through it. >> welcome back to "morning joe," tuesday september 6th. you're right, joe, it's september 6th. we have president on council on foreign relations richard haass,
former advisers to george w. bush and co-creator of showtime mark mckinnon, steve ratner, chair of african-american studies at princeton, editor of "washington post" gene robinson, editor at "the fix," chris cillizza. hi, everybody. wow. >> here we are the day after labor day, the traditional start of the presidential campaign, fall campaign, and you have one poll that shows hillary clinton up six, an nbc survey monkey poll that shows donald trump up by two. last week i said this still seems like a junk poll. what's it look like to you. >> a lot of people saying historically whoever is ahead on labor day is going to win.
in 2006 we were behind on labor day. we were able to push ahead with the debate. that's how important the debates are. donald trump has an opportunity here. he's within striking distance, the debates are huge. >> you wouldn't be surprised if trump won? >> yeah, i would be surprised. >> set the race up for us on the day after labor day. >> this is just a testament to if the race is close, the debate -- this will be the most watched television event in history, huge global audience, too. there's so much interest. the opportunity of the debate on both sides, to put it away or make up the margin of error right now in the race. >> chris cillizza, let's look at these two polls. survey monkey has donald trump down six points to hillary clinton. that's just a one-on-one
obvious obviously. then you look at the cnn poll that has four candidates in the race, donald trump ahead by two points. what's your take? >> well, i think a lot of it, people simply are looking for somewhere else to be than her. that's the only conclusion i can draw, joe. he hasn't done a whole lot conventionally or unconventionally right since may 3rd. he's mid the race about himself. though i would say the last week he's been okay and she has struggled. look, i do think clearly they released fbi notes on friday at 2:30, was meant to bury it. she's had a difficult week, get beyond these stories she can never get beyond. if he could -- >> by the way, that's important. every day, every day, another
disclosure, another 30 e-mails, another this. it is just a nick here, a nick there, and it comes every single day for the clinton campaign. >> the clinton allies, i wrote a big thing to the post, that fbi report, said here are things you should pay attention to, well, there's no smoking gun. that's not necessarily the point. you're dealing with someone who has 60 plus% of the american public don't believe she's honest and trustworthy. anything that adds to that, that fbi report to the extent you pay attention to it would add to that is problematic. the thing is, the fact he's in this race september 6th, given what he's done and not done in the campaign today is a reflection on people's -- a chunk of people's unwillingness or real doubt about supporting her. >> richard haass, the fact that they are in effect tied in these
two polls the day after labor day. i've got to say right now i'm not going to say advantage trump, i will say it looks an awful lot like a basketball team that's shooting 21% from the field and tied at halftime. you're like, okay, if somebody just starts, you know, putting the ball in the hoop for this side they will win. >> we're saying all along structurally this is a change election. if most think the country is headed in the wrong direction, most people think you need change it favors an outsider who needs change. if trump can manage to make this a referendum on structure and character -- >> that's a big if, given what we've seen. >> i don't think people are looking at trump anymore. i think they are looking at clinton. if they were looking at trump, he wouldn't be at 45%. i don't think they are looking at him anymore. >> let's take a look right now, after sending mixed messages on
immigration last week yesterday donald trump again contradicted his own statement of 11 days earlier saying the decision has not been made on a pathway to legal status for the undocumented. >> ku allow that one possibility in that determination -- >> i'm not ruling out anything. >> a pathway to legal status. >> no. to become a citizen, you're going to have to go out and come back in through the process. you're going to have to get in line. this isn't touchback. this is you go out and you have to come back in to become a citizen. >> we're confused. a lot of people talk about the plan to have legal status, live here and work here, people who have lived here for a long time and contribute to society. >> we're going to make that decision into the future. >> eddie, it's incredible. >> it's staggering. >> proves my point that nobody
is paying attention to anything he's saying. i think they are just voting against hillary clinton, because his position on immigration has changed every day over the past week or two. and he changes there again, too. >> it has. part of the issue here is that we don't seem to hold him to account for, a, content. pollty position that is have content. or b, the kind of flip flopping, the kind of inconsistency we see and hear consistently from him. >> you say we. who are we? >> the voters. of course we do it in the media. it seems to me i want to agree with you in this sense, joe, it seems people are just wanting to vote against hillary clinton and not really vetting this guy in the way they should, at least at the level of his policy positions, because when lou at him closely, it's just
incoherent, or nothing there. >> that's actually the word. the word, mark mckinnon is incoherent. he goes to mexico, says there's going to be a softening. he comes back that night, delivers fire and brim stone against illegal immigrants. the next day he goes on lauraenilaura's show and says there will ab softening. he wants to get to a place where he allows -- legalize undocumented workers here who are not breaking the law. that seems where he wanted to be for two weeks but he's zigzagging. >> unclear and that's problematic not only for general but base voters. the support he got in the primaries was because a strong, bold, and this is not strong or bold. >> his base is staying with him.
>> that's not enough to get enough of those general election voters over the top. >> ku win -- >> i think they made a decision in the base election. >> he could get elected president of the united states -- >> i think trying to make it 2004 election. >> in fact, donald trump can be the next president of the united states with 43% of the vote. >> no, i think they will make it a 2004 election. they decided they don't care about the sort of middle, they are going straight to the base. >> get 43%. >> obviously, mark, they are nervous about trying to win an election by alienating plaques, hispanics, women, every possible group other than the base, which is part of why he's moving back and forth. i think richard's point is also right. this should be a republican year based on the state of the economy, the right track, wrong track numbers. >> wrong track numbers are amazing. >> based on the fact three times in the last 115 years elect add
president from the same party after being in office for eight years. you have the e-mail thing. it should be. i think at the end of the day, trump is trump. i think that should be enough to carry the day. >> chris cillizza and gene, isn't there a concern people won't vote, a lot of people? >> yes. i think the one thing you have to remember about 125 million people voted in 2012. most models in polls is based on what we know in the past. i always tell people polling is as much art as it is science. based on what you put into the machine is what under the circumstances out of the machine. if turnout drastically drops, 100 million, 110 million. that's significant and we don't necessarily know how to deal with it. >> how will it go? >> can i make one suggests. if i was donald trump and trying to be strategic, i would try to bump up gary johnson, get gary johnson into those debates, at least the first one. to joe's point, i think it's
unlikely donald trump can win 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, anything close to a majority of the vote. it is not nearly unlikely he can win somewhere between 43 and 47. what do you need in that situation? you need the third party candidate to take 12, 11. you need that. >> mika, in 1992, bill clinton got 370 electoral votes against george h.w. bush. his percentage, 43%. gene, you can win a landslide election. >> yeah. >> with 43%. >> you can win. look, if you step back from the campaign just a couple of steps, you see that the last two or three weeks, especially last couple of weeks, have been a period in which the election has seemed like a referendum on hillary clinton. that's bad for her. when it's a referendum on donald
trump, that's bad for him. and i just don't -- you know, if you're a betting person and you've watched the campaign so far, you've got to bet, i think, at some point trump is going to turn the spotlight back on him, on himself. who knows what the first debate will be like. you know, he might be presidential. he might be a lunatic. you don't know which way that's going to go. it could go either way. the other thing, two structural, one, it's a change election, that's true. the second is structurally we're talking about the electoral college. structurally electoral college is set up better for democrats. those two structural factors, they can't both win this year, but one is going to predominate. >> yeah. you know, i've met more and more people who are very clear on the fact that donald trump lacks knowledge, lacks love of country, lacks anything that
makes him fit to be president but also feel really discouraged by hillary clinton. i feel like they won't vote. >> what's surprising in that equation, they aren't getting -- >> i think they might. i think that's coming. >> it could. if they get in the debates, look out. >> a lot of republicans this weekend, not in the media, a lot of republicans say they are just going to skip the top line and vote republican all the way down. >> there's something here where both candidates fail, just fail. >> interesting election over the weekend, sounds remote but it's not, angela merkel in germany. her party came in third place. what this shows you is the power of immigration policies and the difficulty of being an incumbent. i realize very different former east german state but still, i think it's another message about this context. >> it's a global deal. >> richard haass, steve ratner, gene robinson, chris cillizza, mark mckinnon, thank you all. >> don't thank them all. >> yes, we are. >> now steve ratner has a chart
and we're going to get it in before he leaves. let's talk about -- >> right now? >> right now. >> right new. >> you were thanking him. >> i was. >> i'm not going to let him go because everywhere we go -- >> all the screaming girls. i love the charts. please show us the numbers. you're so smart. >> you need to stop so can get there. perfect segue, angela merkel in syria, in trouble because obviously she let a lot of immigrants come in her country. while illegal immigrants exploded it's been on the decline lately. >> if you're listening to people talk during this campaign, the immigration problem is quite different. if you look at the total number of undocumented people in this country, it peaked back in 2007 at about 12.2 million people of which 6.9 million were mexicans.
it's been roughly flat -- >> unbelievable. >> the mexican population is actually down reasonably substantially. >> it's crazy. >> the next chart. donald trump began his campaign demagoguing mexicans. they send over the rapists, they send over the this, the that. actually isn't there a net negative as far as more mexicans going back to mexico than coming to the united states. >> since 2009, really, since the recession started, the number of mexicans coming has been smaller than the number of mexicans leaving. >> that is just unbelievable. >> by mexicans apprehended at the border. we don't have actual statistics. >> numbers on that. >> you can see it peaked back in 2000 the number apprehended at the border. at the moment there are more non-mexicans apprehended at the
border. >> and if you want to deport mexicans and other illegal immigrants. >> you feel strongly about that. >> if you feel really, really strongly, this is your top issue, then you really should have a picture of barack obama in your living room with two candles on both sides because he has been the supreme leader in deportation in the history of the united states and has deported more illegal immigrants than anyone else. >> just the facts. >> those are the facts. he's deported more illegal immigrants than anybody else in the united states history. >> the facts are in 2013, we deported 435 illegals and that was a radar. it down a little bit since then. this is not a criticism of bush but if you compare it to the bush era, you can see obama has the policy. in fact he's focused on exactly the people donald trump says he wants to deport, which are
criminals. >> fantastic. >> america first. re-elect obama. >> thank you, steve. that was so interesting. >> mexican families are smaller, the economy is growing faster, all the incentives for mexicans stay home. >> fewer young mexicans. >> still on "morning joe" first time since 1988 "washington post" polled all 50 states. bring in polling manager who says results will surprise you. >> i like being surprised. >> we'll be right back. nothing stops us from doing right by our customers. who's with me? i'm in. i'm in. i'm in. i'm in. ♪ ♪ one, two, - wait, wait. wait - where's tina? doing the hand thing? yep! we are all in for our customers. ally. do it right. what if 30,000 people we aredownload the new app?mers.
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keep a job so we can live. no, there's so many people like trump who look at us like we're not their equal. i'm sick of it. i've had it up to here. who -- think about this. who did they successfully blame for the recession? successfully blame? they won. they won. they convinced in the state of wisconsin that the reason why their schools were in trouble was because of teachers. they said it was because of the union movement. you can boo, there's no joke about this. we've got to break the back of this. >> i wish he was running. >> now nbc news correspondent hallie jackson covering trump campaign. big news ada retired general endorsing donald trump. of course 73 of them are
venezuelan but that's okay? >> what? >> i'm joking, kidding. >> taking in breaking news right now. >> generals and admirals. >> looking at the list. >> i don't know if you've talked about this, open letter to 88 military leaders saying in our professional judgment enemies of the country have been emboldened by essentially the current administration. saying for this reason we support donald trump and his commitment to rebuild our military, secure our borders and defeat our islamic supremacist adversaries. these are talking points the trump campaign wants to be focused on today and tomorrow. so they are blasting out this list. names are okay, no huge names on there. >> let me tell you something. this is the sort of thing that actually matters in campaigns. there's so many things that happen that don't matter in the campaign. i promise you it will be repeated over the next several weeks. there's 88 generals, they all support trump. i'm saying, this is the sort of thing that sort of attaches.
>> compared to a list of 50 mix of republican and some others foreign policy experts against trump. how does it compare. >> you say that. somebody goes, i don't know, all i know is 88 generals say they are supporting trump. >> leaders, not necessarily generals. >> trump is trying to win one contest right now, reassurance. that is what he needs to do. two things help him. one endorsement, the other is cnn poll that shows him ahead because he needs people to think going into the first debate that this is a competitive -- >> cnn poll is huge. >> four ways. he cares about the country. >> trying to reassure people. >> a branding thing. >> opportunities tomorrow night event with matt lawyer with veterans, another opportunity to try to reassure people he's an acceptable choice. the clinton campaign will do everything they can to convince people no matter what he does
and says in the next 60 days no amount of reinsurance should stack up against what he's done over the course of his life. that's the contest. >> two points ahead in the latest cnn poll. how do you feel? what are you doing? how does that make you feel? >> baffled. >> are you rethinking your vote? are you rethinking maybe you better vote for hillary clinton because donald trump may be next president of the united states? >> i have adjusted my initial claim by saying it's how she wins that's important, how she wins. >> right. >> then we can talk about that. i'm really struck by this. i mean, what does this say about our country, that someone like donald trump, someone who holds those positions, someone that you on this show said you could not vote for because he would build a wall, do x, y, z. >> muslim ban, racist comments.
>> he hasn't backtracked. how is it possible that folks in this country can see this guy as a viable option to lead the united states of america? >> because they don't believe anybody anymore. can i just say philadelphia bucks county, that's where i grew up, i was spending time with some of these white suburban women we talk about so often. we just organically got into a conversation about this campaign and this race. because everybody wants to talk to political reporters about politics. i took some notes, actually. i was intrigued by this. i want to read you. one woman said about hillary clinton, she's conflicted, this particular individual i'm thinking of traditionally voted republican. she has a real problem with donald trump because of the name calling. she says he's made a mockery of his ideas by being so nasty. she said hillary clinton, she's in the going to be somebody who is going to change anything. she praised her for the barrier she broke through as a woman but doesn't feel clinton will make any difference in washington and
said i like donald trump's message of building a wall, trying to keep us safe. i like he talks about living by the rules. that's something that's important to her. listen, this is not a focus group, but it's a conversation that happened. >> those are usually very telling. >> it matches my friends this weekend have voted republican every four years their entire life, husband and wife. never would vote democratic in a million years. they are not voting for donald trump and they said they would vote for, you know -- they would vote for my dog before they voted for hillary clinton. scout is wonderful, very well mannered. let me say, maybe a second rate intellect but first rate temperament. >> and a record of governance. >> the backyard, seriously no squirrels are in that backyard. i was just struck by basically where you are on the other side
of the spectrum, the most loyal republicans in the world. they are going to leave the top line open and vote republican all the way down. we're hearing this, whether it's, you know, in princeton or bucks county or pensacola, florida. >> when lou at cornell belcher's recent study on the front page of the "new york times," did focus groups in ohio and cleveland around black millennials and see they are not turning out in large numbers in support of hillary clinton. >> if they do not turn out in large numbers. >> showing gaps. >> for hillary clinton, that is a differencemaker in a massive way. >> that's the story in the primary. people were talking about african-american voters voting in large numbers for hillary clinton but they weren't looking at black millennials and they weren't excited about her then. now, the question, of course -- the issue is we've got to keep trump out of office. right? i think all americans should hold that view.
obviously some disagree. >> jonathan martin yesterday front page article on the "new york times" talking about black millennials mistrust of the clintons. >> don't forget president obama has pretty much promised to devote october to helping hillary clinton win. >> that's not transferable. >> remember, just came on politics nation and said obama shortchanged us. >> you think you've been shortchanged now. >> scout, 2016. >> hallie jackson, thank you so much. coming up something "the washington post" hasn't done in nearly 20 years, poll all 50 states. we're going to have a first look what they found when "morning joe" comes right back. thought s crazy to open a hotel here. everyone said it's so hard to be a musician, but i can't imagine doing anything else. now that the train makes it easier to get here, the neighborhood is really changing. i'm always hopping on the train, running all over portland. i have to go wherever the work is. trains with innovative siemens technology
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joining us from washington polling manager for "washington post" scott clements. >> scott, scott, scott, the numbers are freaking me out here. >> not just him. me, too. >> so you have clinton leading by four points or more in 20 states with 244 electoral votes on her side. trump leading by four or more points in 20 states with only 126 electoral votes. 168 up for grabs. but here are the numbers that are just mind blowing in a lot of these states. this race is so close. in wisconsin, clinton up by two. in florida, clinton up by two.
in colorado, clinton up by two. in michigan, clinton only up by two. in arizona, clinton up by one. in north carolina trump tied with clinton. in george, another tie. mississippi, deep south so tight. trump up by two. trump up in ohio. trump up by three. even texas is closer than expected. this is -- what would dan rather say. >> tight as a tick at a thanksgiving dinner. i don't know what he'd say. i'll call him afterward. these races are tight, scott. >> they are extremely tight. the midwest are some of the biggest surprises, a number with leads in pennsylvania, she only leads by four there. as you mentioned, a slew of others, wisconsin, michigan. these are states that have gone for democrats for the past six
straight elections. they are tighter than usual. at the same time you mentioned the overall electoral vote advantage from the start. that's in part because among all those states that are up in play right now, a lot of them are solid republican states. and so what's being gambled out there right now are a lot of red electoral votes. and clinton overall leads by at least four points and at least 244 electoral votes. you don't need to go that much further to get to 270. >> go ahead, nicole. >> what -- if you're looking at these numbers in brooklyn, which line would give you the most cause for alarm? >> well, you know, there are just a slew of really interesting numbers in here. i mean, the one that struck us most was in texas. certainly not expected to be anywhere near a swing state but clinton plus one there. what's driving that are trump
particularly performing among women voters. this is a group john mccain won with 50% of the vote, trump with less than four in ten voters there. if trump is competing for texas, this is not a very close race. >> on the other hand, i asked about alarm, if you look at ohio numbers, isn't that cause for alarm? >> oh, certainly. we lo at especially places like that and colorado, a number of places that show clinton with comfortable leads there that looks like there could be bigger fights. those are fueled by -- these are areas with an older population and share of noncollege white voters. these are folks that supported trump heavily in the primary and where he's expected to do well. polls haven't shown him doing so well yet. >> scott, you've got gary johnson at 15% or better in 15 states, so two questions that are the flip sides of each other. who is he currently hurting. if he does collapse, as
sometimes nonmajor party candidates do, where does the advantage go then? >> so fascinating, he's hurting different people in different states, even neighboring states. the very best state is new mexico where he garners 25% support. only a few points off of donald trump. he takes more from hillary clinton in that state, her margin shrinks there. in utah, another fascinating state, he does better, nearly one in five registered voters in utah support him. and he appears to be pulling a little bit more from trump there. that is a fascinating state as well. i have to mention, 19% have no opinion in utah. we know how that primary went for donald trump. also we know how heavily republican that state leans. they are not very crazy about either of the candidates. >> help me understand mississippi. i can see texas. we've been talking about georgia. i'm a native mississippian.
help me understand that number? >> sure. another one that struck when data came back. we look back to recent elections. it wasn't as lopsided as i recall. you can get lumped into other southern states. won by low double digits last time. what's really going on there, trump is doing a little worse mock whites. republicans have relied on heavily unified white vote in mississippi in order to dominate elections. clinton still underperforming obama among african-americans but among broader voter prejudice strags population that's helping her rack up a big margin, three in ten voters there. that's what's really driving it now. that's definitely one to take with a grain of salt, though. mississippi has shown over many elections they lean pretty heavily republican. trump probably gets that. >> two points.
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obviously you came in under tough circumstances and sort of remained tough. where are you making progress, where do you they'd to make more progress? >> i've been secretary two years, joe. remember, prior to that i ran procter & gamble company. i've been there 30 years. the idea was how do we come into v.a., president charged me with making it a successful health care business. over the last two years, each year 4 million more than we had before, hired more doctors, put in more space, more nurses, expanded hours. we've driven down disability claim backlog by 90%, from its peak of 600,000 and we've cut veteran homelessness in about half since 2010. making progress but we've got more to do. >> the gao said in april that
the system still is not -- you all still haven't fixed the scheduling problem. >> what are they talking about? >> in the midst of implementing new scheduling system. the original scheduling system dated in 1985. it was a very old system. we're fixing that. >> how are you fixing it? >> we hired a new head of i.t. she was head of i.t. at johnson & johnson. we brought in 14 of 17 of my top managers are new. we're in the midst of a transformation. >> so given this transformation, what are you hoping to hear from the candidates tomorrow night? >> the most important thing i need to hear is that congress is going to act. we have put forward 100 different pieces of legislation that we need to continue this transformation. some of them are absolutely critical to veterans getting -- >> which ones? what are the most important? >> extensions. things like provider agreements. things like there's something called the 80-hour pay period, which causes is not to run
emergency rooms in the right way. taking people to what's called title 38, which would allow us to pay competitively and hire competitively with the private sector. >> why isn't congress stepping up. >> the senate is working together. they passed out of the committee in a unanimous way something called veterans first act. the house hasn't done that. >> why not? >> you tell me. >> what are they telling you? what's paul ryan's office telling you? >> what i'm learning is the divisiveness in the house is not allowing these things to get through committee and to the floor. in contrast in the senate we've got it through the committee in a bipartisan way unanimous, we just have to get it to the floor. >> are they claiming it's a funding issue? >> no, no. it's not a funding issue. it's simply an issue of getting something to the floor and getting it voted on. as you know in the senate any individual senator can put a hold on legislation. >> where the house goes, is it a
funding issue? spends too much money? >> i don't think so. i think there's tremendous unanimity what needs to be done, it's just the matter of having political will to get it done. >> donald trump talk about privatizing some of the functions of the v.a., allowing veterans to take access to private health care. is there room for that or not? >> we think that's a bad idea. when i came in, before my senate confirmation, some senators asked me to look at that. i'm a business guy. lie at those kinds of things. what i discovered was not only do veterans need the v.a. and want the v.a. but also american public and american medicine needs v.a. on many things like first implantable pacemaker, first liver transplant, first kidney transplant, shingles vaccine. many things invented in v.a. without those inventions what would p happen. v.a. trained 70% of doctors in the country. without v.a. who would train those doctors. then clinical care.
over 80% of veterans say they prefer getting their care at the v.a. and they recommend it to a friend. >> can i ask you about a story this summer that i'm sure upset everybody and goes beyond ideological warfare our country is entrenched in, number of veteran suicide up 20%, "new york times" tracking this since 2001. ku talk about patient population, how they are doing and what's being done and how mission critical this is to stem this trend? >> sure. i think of all the things we're working on, eliminating suicide is at the top of the list. there's no question that any suicide of any veteran is a terrible thing. we recently published new numbers. our original study was done with a relatively small base. this is a larger base. we worked with the hhs on it. and -- >> you've got a larger pool.
>> larger pool of people. what we discovered was, it's about 20 a day. what we found out is those who are connected to the v.a. and are getting treatment are and g treatment are less likely to commit suicide. the biggest challenge is how we get people connected. we have a new hash tag that we are doing on twitter. we really need the help of the american public. when you notice the signs, get them connected. call our crisis line. let's get them connected so we can treat them. >> okay. thank you so much. honored to have you on the show. >> thank you. >> thank you. you can watch the first ever commander in chief forum tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. still ahead this morning, apple preparing to launch the
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>> i want to finish. at one point parked on the same tarmac in ohio. traveling the press corp. for the first time. though trump's press corp. does not travel with him he did take questions saying he would be open to having the press travel with him. >> didn't you go on the trump plane deep in the primary season? >> yeah. it is nice on there. her plane looks nice on thetoo. >> he says his isn't con figured, why isn't it? >> it is not like a -- >> it's fancy. >> they are facing each other. >> good morning everyone. we have cohost that airs on msnbc. where have you been?
>> rested and ready. >> that must be so nice. >> it must be nice. you can see all of the people subbing for him? >> i know. it was like a parade. >> we did our best but he was missed. >> also with us former communication director nicole wallace and former treasury official and "morning joe" steve ratner. >> he comes the day after labor day and he is full on 100% in his banker suit. you go and your attitude is i guess this is the first day of the year. >> dress for success. and in washington we have associate editor with us. also with us, good morning. associate editor and eugene robinson. >> well, this is really the
first day of -- >> for the rest of our lives. >> for the rest of our lives. this is the traditional opening of campaign season. >> it is. so now what you see is what you get with these candidates. we have a lot to get to this morning. i will just start with what trump is leading with, trying to make it look like hillary clinton is sick or something because she coughed. i want to know where tim kaine. if i had a coughing fit what would you do? you would probably take over. tim kaine, what are you doing? >> step up, take the mic. >> he is a little awkward. >> and we have all of the conspiracy theories. >> it happens. you help out. >> it's a tough schedule. it's a really rough schedule and some times you cough and do stuff like that.
>> i don't really want -- >> do you think she would have been on the road -- >> she doesn't. that's just b.s. it's silly. >> i'm not -- >> i don't -- i don't want to show it. >> i thought you wanted to. >> i wasn't even going to bring it up. >> thank you for hosting us. [ coughing ] >> all right. all right. >> he just sits there. >> i was playing p-- >> get off. >> mark halperin. >> he kept waiting for her to kind of stop. >> isn't she awesome? crowd goes crazy. >> trump is going to jump on this one. crowd goes crazy. guys, campaign, please, help.
ok >> okay. we are over with that story. >> happy labor day. >> what? what the heck? okay. the fbi has to pretend like they were trying -- >> that's a bigger story. >> it's pathetic. they interview hillary on the saturday of fourth of july weekend to kill that story. they release these fbi notes labor day weekend. the interview was so pathetic they had sheryl mills, had her lawyers in but who also were the principals in destroying the documents deciding what documents to destroy and shred. it is unbelievable. were you shocked by the fbi notes that you saw? >> well, i always keep up on the news but i was scrolling through
and i'm like oh, my god, this is like press tactics, dump it on a friday. we live in this world. >> it's unbelievable. >> everyone was campaigning. you know, the notion that there could be more to come would be the thing that would keep me up all night. her biggest problem is this vbeb that she didn't forthcoming. it didn't help her. >> we should probably not back into it. >> i'll do the story. >> again, you actually have people who are principals that if this is a criminal investigation, if they find something in hillary clinton's interview that makes it possible for them to indict her or other people on her staff they have the key players sitting there listening to the system while she is being interviewed. it never happens. >> and i admit, i backed into
the first story. let's not back into this one because it's complicated. we are talking about the fallout over hillary clinton's e-mail controversy. on the friday before labor day the fbi released the details on a three-hour interview that it conducted on the saturday of 4th of july weekend. the notes revealed clinton could not recall or remember key details of more than three dozen times that she said she believed the c for confidential stood for the -- there were effort to breach accounts on a server with secretary clinton responding to an e-mail with a malicious link. they deleted the archive mailbox
weeks after the server became public. >> i want to stop right there. >> took to the outside with a hammer and destroyed them. some would say detroying evidence. they lost. they lost, what 10, 11 blackberries? david, they cannot account for 10 or 11 blackberries. they lost a laptop that had all of the e-mails sent to the office. lost. lost in the mail. that would have been a wonderful time for the fbi to go you know what? give us a tracking number and we'll help you find it. the fbi let all of these sleeping dogs lie. in all of the fbi notes instead of saying x and y's testimony
actually their recollections were completely -- recalled the process completely differently. they let all of these sleeping dogs lie and it's all just hanging out there. where is the laptop? why didn't they make the most modest of efforts? you're holding the notes. >> yeah. knowing your intense interest -- >> it's not my intense interest. it should be anybody that's a lawyer's interest in how shabbily the fbi ran this. >> i tried to look at the material that was released over the weekend. i think it does back up jim's basic summary, the headline we all had a couple of months ago. it was grossly sloppy management of the records, of the procedures surrounding the records. that's what comey said in
summarizing this material. then he went onto say he did not find evidence of a violation of law that prosecutors could take to court. that's still what i thought looking through the details. there is some moments like taking a hammer to a blackberry you are not going to use anymore, which look awful. if we had evidence there was material on those blackberries that would be -- >> do you think david -- >> if you're an fbi agent do you think there are sports scores on there? >> people destroy hard drives, you know, every minute somewhere in the country. >> right. >> they are secretaries of state that have an improper server out there. >> my only problem is these notes don't open new grounds as much as they confirm what comey said in summarizing this case. it was extremely slop by. >> the fbi exposed itself to be
a little bit political and weak. >> the sloppiness here -- >> what is shocking to me is find a prosecutor, find a prosecutor any where in america that will come on television today and tell you that they will allow principals to an investigation to sit in on another principal's investigation in the middle of a possible -- >> and drop everything on holidays. >> there's so much to say about the fbi's conduct here. those who are skeptical, look at the friday release. the guy has not had a press conference. i have become increasingly critical of him. >> not anymore with me. >> to release this on a friday as if he is an arm of the clinton campaign, i'm just stunned. there's a lot of information that's of great public interest. if you really cared you would say is the best time to release this to get a full public
hearing on friday before labor day? >> no. >> and follow up with hillary clinton, saturday, 4th of july weekend. >> yaechlt i really believe he called his own impartiality by what he has done. the number of legitimate questions raised by this material, it's too many. we could go three hours. it doesn't mean she should have been indicted necessarily but it does mean there are a lot of questions that the fbi didn't follow up on. >> yeah. gene robinson, the fbi failed to follow up on so many things, conflicting testimony, missing laptops that contained all of the secretary of state's e-mail that is were subject to this. >> they are still missing. >> location unknown. >> yeah. and they left it hanging out there. you know what? you get tracking numbers for ups. >> had find my iphone. >> he was being requested and
went and destroyed the information they were looking for afterwards. >> yeah. >> here is my question, joe. how often do you hear from the fbi such voluminous information on a case they decide not to prosecute? how often does the fbi come out and say we don't really see a crime here. >> i agree with you. >> they release volumes and volumes -- >> the fbi got it wrong going both ways. i think the fbi was shotty in their process. i think they left too many things up in the air. it was political. they were never going to incite hillary clinton. if you're jim comey and you're not going to indict hillary clinton then treat hillary clinton like every other american and shot your mouth but he didn't do it. you know why? because he wasn't going to do it in election year.
he made his bed. he should sleep in it instead of continuing to leak this out. the fbi is -- anybody reads these pages they are sullied by -- >> yeah. >> what are they going to do? keep dribbling it out because jim comey feels bad about himself? >> no. i do think dribbling out is weird. you know, i think if i were in a clinton campaign i would say what's the deal here? it would certainly be in the interest of their campaign to get everything out if they are going to keep putting stuff out there. whether or not it is on holiday eve. in fact the sort of every once in a while, here is a bunch of new stuff about hillary clinton that you might think is shady but we decided there's nothing really wrong here. >> yeah, no. it's crazy. i want to get steven here. andrea asked her to account for
her judgment in these matters. >> does that to critics indicate a casual attitude towards classification and towards the way secrets were kept and protected when you were secretary of state? >> not at all. i went into the state department. i bet on the senate armed services committee for years before i was secretary of state. i take classifications seriously. i couldn't remember certain meetings, whether or not they had occurred doesn't in any way effect the commitment that i had and still have to the treatment of classified material. >> the fact that she is on armed services, i was on armed services. i got put on there four separate times. i can tell you if i had class y classified information on my blackberry i wouldn't lose it.
>> you know what? the ship has passed. she is not being indicted. they are saying questions about the fbi's conduct that comey made his decision. done. fine, she is not indicted. >> i will say on this side, there are people that are scared to death of sheryl mills. i cannot believe what i got away with. >> you know, the indictment is with the fbi a really shotty information and a wrap-up of it. if you're not going to indict her don't have a press conference. don't release these notes to
make yourself feel better. >> i agree with you. i think the number of ways the fbi was handled, the secretary and then announce on tuesday i think it was that you're not going to prosecute doesn't look great. i agree with all of that. i think mark agrees with me, i don't think it would have been possible for the fbi to say we decided not to prosecute. >> totally disagree. >> okay. just a second. >> i don't think we'll offer any back up for how they reach that had decision given the nature of this. think they would have thought it was ten times more political if they had done that. >>. >> your requirement is cavalier.
>> requirements under national security. >> comey is great. doesn't he have a lot of credibility? the report said she might have been hacked. >> i will take shotty, fine. i don't think we have learned anything about her conduct as secretary of state, what he did and what she didn't do that in any way shows that she -- >> right. this is about the cover up. >> right. nothing has come out. 33,000 -- >> many things are new. she brought her blackberry into the secure area. >> i'm talking about decisions she made. >> talk about comey or hillary? >> hillary. >> there's lots in this report that's new. i don't think the report should have been released. you make a decision not to indict. you can say that and that's it. it is really unwise.
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a new poll shows trump and clinton statistically tied. it gives trump a slight edge, 45 to clinton's 43% among likely voters. 7% to gary johnson. >> and how do you account for hillary up by six and then trump up by 2? >> it depends how they are finding likely voters. one in every 7 it is in north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania and florida. >> a lot closer than a lot of people would expect at this point. >> yeah. certainly the last couple of weeks you would have to say
there was tightening of the race. you could look at it as the evaporation of her convention bounce i agree with mark halperin. you do have to look at those states to really get a sense of where the vote is. if mark said one in seven will be from california and one in, you know, nine is going to be from texas, which, you know, is going to -- >> change it. >> right. >> so to your point, gene, clinton is holding onto a number of key swing states in north carolina. the average has trump leading by about 1% in florida and ohio. in virginia and pennsylvania around 6%. her lead is about 7 points in michigan and 9 in new hampshire. >> hillary clinton up by two or three points but nothing like
the lead she had coming out of the democratic convention. >> she has basically lost half the lead she had after the two conventions together. i think what should worry her is the argument that was so effective for her, donald trump is psychologically unfit to be president. hillary clinton didn't have to say anything. she could have let donald trump go on tv every day and that was her campaign message. i think it may be running out of steam. trump is trying to be more controlled, present a some what different face. so i think in the clinton campaign there must be a serious question about whether this slippage will continue over the next two months and how they rest it. they can't make her a different candidate. we know hillary clinton is the way she is. she has strengths as a person, administrator but she has never been a great campaigner.
>> steve, i'm worried. >> yeah. look. it is worrysome when you see these polls. some are pretty zscary. you think you would have a massive lead if it is a landslide. >> yeah. >> i think to mark's point when you start to look at it state by state and start to sort of figure out the map and what trump would have to do to win i think at the end of the day she would pull this out. >> if trump has a good first debate, has his tv ads go on the air and if there's more document releases that hurt her the race could get closer. she still has a fundamental advantage because they favor the demographic party. >> you bring up a good point. in the trump campaign they held their money. they have been saying they were going to wait until after labor
day and then they were going to start. so trump's in the cnn poll, they haven't even begun advertising yet. what are you thinking? >> the other thing they had going for them is they are going to go into the first debate with her having successfully prosecuted the case that david just mentioned, that he is a madman. if he looks anything less than der ranged far exceed expectations. >> if he speaks softly and reads the phone book he could be declared the winner. donald trump spent this weekend talking about the loss of jobs and foreign trade in ohio. just ahead, jacob talkings
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have a total failure. we had a big success. >> are you talking about esthetics here? >> by the way, she says things about me that are horrible. the single greatest asset i have is my temperament. she came up with this that talk about the temperament. >> we kristen welker. the polls are tightening. are they -- i mean if you're in brooklyn you have to be sitting there going wait a second. i'm losing to this guy in a cnn poll? are they going to change their strategy and get out of this sort of prevent defense? >> reporter: we saw a little bit of a shift in strategy yesterday. the fact that she took questions almost a little bit of a minipress conference on her
campaign plate, the maiden voyage with reporters and she answered a whole host of questions about the clinton foundation and about her e-mails in the wake of her fbi report that was one of the big questions. there's no doubt those questions are lingering to those tightening polls. it is creating jitters here. i think the other shift that you'll see, it will be all hands on deck for the democrats in the final stretch of this campaign. a lot of her top surrogates, take a look at what we are expecting in the coming days. elizabeth warren will help rally the progressive branch. president obama will be in philadelphia next tuesday rallying african americans, millennials and making sure they are registered to vote. his visit comes two weeks before the registration deadline.
the first lady will play a big role as well. she will be in virginia next friday. in terms of the strategy this week the focus is on foreign policy. the clinton campaign out with a tough new ad for some of the controversial comments. take a look. >> i know more about isis than the generals do. >> john mccain, a war hero. >> he is a war hero because he was captured. >> donald trump compared his sacrifices to the sacrifices of two parents who lost their son in war. >> news survey poll shows secretary clinton maintaining a 6 point lead nationally over donald trump. the cnn poll tells a different story. trump is up 45 to 43%.
i think you are starting to see a little bit of a shift in strategy here. secretary clinton will be campaigning later on today. >> this is getting very exciting. thank you so much. >> it is. >> a lot of times i see ads like who is the sucker that paid for that ad? it happens 99% of the times. whoever is getting paid to do hillary clinton's ads, the child ad -- >> yeah, your children are listening. >> they were deserving. i have been -- i told the story once before. i was in a loud room and everybody was talking. that ad came on and everybody stops. >> the image of the mom wearing the dog tags is incredible. >> those two ads and the bernie america ad. >> yeah, i teared up and he's a socialist. i was like that's the greatest
ad i have ever heard. >> when we say things outloud. >> you liked the music of socialism. >> well, come on, when you grow up loving great music you to understand nobody that's strumming that gi stuitar is onr side. no. that was just a beautiful, beautiful ad. it spoke to what we all hope our government will be. let's bring in this host of msnbc. nicole is here along with eddy. i have so much so talk to you about. >> we don't have enough time. >> let's leave it -- >> it's mind blowing to me we have two polls out the day after labor day. the candidate that hasn't organized any states, hasn't spent any money on ads, hasn't done anything traditionally has made one mistake after another,
insulted one group after another, chased up one group after another, a scary thing. you should spend a minute talking about how we should look at the polls. it is just hillary clinton versus donald trump. that focuses that choice. >> and larry says that's how you should look. most voters will not actually be aware of the existence of these candidates on election day. >> so you're saying you agree with larry that two-person poll makes more sense? >> i think you have to continue to run both of them. we as poll analysts have to make
a judgment about which one we are going to lean on. i think one on one is a bit more accurate -- >> maybe by saying all four names to somebody who is listening, maybe it elevates them to a status they will not have when you see 30 names ton ballot. >> and when you do it with candidates who have extremely high negatives you're saying to people who feel negative, oh, by the way, jill stein is running. >> she sounds nice. >> that's counter intuitive, but i have heard that. >> and probably four or five months ago i said we are not talk about the e-mails anymore. if she is indicted then it's a big deal. if she is not indicted it's not going to be a big deal. i advance that, and i mean politically. when i talked about the fbi
notes that came out about the intervow interview of hillary clinton that came out this is actually not about hillary clinton or even sheryl mills. i cannot believe she gets away with what she gets away with year in and year out. this is about the fbi's integrity. when you read all of the articles, when you saw the timing of it drop, institutionally did your opinion of the fbi increase or decrease and do you think it puts a lot on jim comey's stellar reputation? >> i have never seen one of these files before. they have never turned in their homework before. >> exactly, which is another part of the story. >> yeah, but there's one really striking thing which is mills being in the interview with hillary clinton. she is one of the principals
investigators would call her a suspect at that point. what is she doing in the interview? the claim is she is in here as hillary clinton's lawyer, one of many in the room. it was really strange. then again, this is not the prosecutorial stage. this is the fbi stage and truly, we have never seen how this procedure works. you know in brooklyn today they are look at this and going wait a minute. someone who you can say has used bad judgment in relation to the electronic portion of being secretary of state but committed no crimes is being discussed while donald trump gave $25,000 illegally to the attorney general of florida in a times that raises the question of was that a reward for the attorney general -- >> or a bribe.
>> not going forward -- >> yes, as the attorney general of new york did. >> right. >> and what's fascinating about this is if you pull back and you say what is the clinton e-mail story about? it is essentially about judgment and also about personnel judgment. >> amen. >> i look at it and i say sheryl mills job is to make sure this kind of thing never happens. i don't care what the secretary says about here is the convenience i want about using electronics. you'll have to say to the secretary, you cannot do that. you cannot do that and you cannot do that. >> absolutely. >> and you have to be willing to be fired for standing in the way of bad impulses. we all have bad ideas. >> we all do. >> you have to say it violates the rule about x. >> and you have worked for quite
a few people. i always had a rule in any office and i have it here. i have one twor people that come and tell me no. i don't do it until i convince them it's a right thing to do. sure, you have seen this with people you have worked for before but hillary clinton apparently has nobody around that does that but they have somebody that gets a hammer to blackberries and smashes them up. in losing the laptop in the mail, do you know why i would never find that somebody lost my laptop in the mail? because they would find it before i found out that they lost the most important e-mail with the most sensitive information! who mails -- >> who mails a laptop? who doesn't track it down? if i were in congress or even here and somebody lost an important -- i would never hear about it because somebody would be calling fed ex saying you're
going to find that. >> but i love the point -- >> it was regular mail, it was -- >> but this is about staff work. >> it's a staff failure. >> but compare it to trump. that isn't staff. that's donald trump. that's his decision. >> by the way, i commend you for playing your base here by going back to that. >> i know. they have been going crazy all day. >> they will kill him all day -- >> it's true. every trump problem is a donald trump cause problem. you can't say -- you can't point to a staff member -- >> i don't know if you watched the show. we hammered trump every day. i think most are dumbfounded. first of all, this shotty fbi investigation and secondly, the fact that jim comey didn't have the nerve. he didn't have the guts to say i'm not indicting her, thank
you. instead he holds a press conference and tries to explain? it sounds like she will be indicted. they release notes? no. that's not how it's normally done. you either indict her or you don't indict her and if you don't indict her forever hold your peace. >> but i'm not going to argue for less information to say we don't -- >> i would like to have every one of the fbi -- >> i know but i don't think hillary clinton was treated the same in the investigative part. i think -- >> but you're saying he didn't indict her but to cover his patooshy -- >> yes. she trying to have it both ways. >> but all of this stuff was subpoenaed and going to become public and that's why it is public. >> how would you feel if you're on the house committee? you ask for information from a blackberry and after that they smashed it with a hammer.
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critical issue for that swing state. also hitting voters hard there. here is msnbc, he land and he is live with us from cleveland. there is a critical issue. what did you find out? >> reporter: unfortunately today i'm just in an empty lot. it is a former home. tens of thousands of homes were forclosed or abandoned and many are torn down. i'm in the lot where one of them was torn down. people are looking for help not just from local government but presidential candidates as well. this is what they told me. >> where are we and what is going on right now? >> this is a condemned property and they have taken the property over and we are about to do a demolition here.
>> we find vacant and abandoned properties and find out whether they need to be demolished. >> is this the only one you'll do all week? >> no. probably 25 to 30 every week. >> check this out. there's a hole in the floor that goes straight down. >> there's was probably a tub there. >> and somebody pulled it out to recycle it and sell it to someone else. >> financed by mortgage companies which means we have thousands of toxic properties. >> tell me what you're about to do. >> i'm getting ready to demo this house. >> is it an easy thing to do? >> no. it takes years to get it downright. >> so we are only about 30 seconds in and half the house is already down. so when you look at what's going on here it looks like the
economy had struggled in this area. are you thinking about voting? >> i know who i am going to vote for. who are you voting for? >> i'm a democrat. >> hillary clinton? >> yes. >> donald trump says he has to get jobs back on track. >> i don't trust him. >> are you going to vote? >> of course. >> have you thought about who you are going to vote for? >> hillary clinton. >> do you think a guy like donald trump could fix this up? >> hillary. >> who is more likely to help? >> donald. >> all it took was 15 minutes. >> reporter: a quick reality check, this is east cleveland. mitt romney did absolutely terribly here and nine precincts didn't get a single vote against barack obama. it most likely won't change this
time around. >> all right. i think that's a question a lot of people are asking. we only have ten seconds. what did you learn today? >> race still haunts this election. race still haunts it. >> i will go with his. >> that cnn poll will drive a lot of coverage today. >> yes. the cnn poll, fbi notes. what a weekend. that does it for us this morning. stephanie pibs stephanie picks up the coverage right now! thanks a lot. the poll is what we are talk about this morning. good morning. i'm stephanie and we have breaking news. this poll is a shocker. donald trump up in a brand new survey leading hillary clinton by 2 points. a statistical dead heat, the question is is, is this a blip or an actual change in the