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regret and apologized. yet vladimir putin had a talk about a cease fire in syria chrks of course is awkward in light of the reporting of their plans to disrupt elections. north korea test fired three ballistic missiles without any warning, that all literally happened during president obama's trip to china and laos. for his departure, the chinese did get him a shiny set of stairs, fancy stairs, so maybe it's all, you know, well and good. that does it for tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now. it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnel. lasenger that i'm working at the moment.
>> clearly you're unfit to be president. >> my cough suppress ant. today donald trump was asked about what he would do as commander in chief, his favorite former general michael flynn asked those good questions and donald trump didn't answer any of them and that was perfectly okay with general flynn and donald trump's audience. >> his whole campaign has been one long insult to all those who wore the uniform. >> you have illegal immigrants that she wants treated better than veterans. >> he has no clue about what he's talking about. >> wouldn't it be nice if we could get along with russia. >> he has a bizarre fascination with strong men and authorityian leaders. >> he says he has a secret plan to defeat isis.
>> we are going to solve the isis problem. >> but the secret is, he has no plan. >> donald trump as commander in chief scares me to death. >> our country is going to hell. >> he's been accused repeatedly of fraudulent behavior. >> this is a phony group of lying people. >> he says whatever he feels like at any given time. >> that's fine if you're reality tv star. i don't think it is fine if you want to be president of the united states. election day is 62 days away and the first presidential debate is 19 days from now. tomorrow night we'll see a preview of the debate. dress rehearsal of sorts right here on nbc and msnbc. when they participate in the forum hosted by nbc news and the iraq and afghanistan veterans of america.
>> hillary likes to play tough with russia. putin looks at her and he laughs, okay. he laughs. putin looks at hillary clinton and he smiles, but, wouldn't it be nice, honestly, because russia doesn't like isis any better than we do. wouldn't it be nice if we got along with russia. >> that was before an audience was composed mainly of veterans. asked donald trump some very good questions, which donald trump did not answer and the audience did not notice he did not answer and they applauded any way. and general flynn asked a good yes or no question the kind of question that candidates like donald trump do not like. >> do you support regime change in syria? >> look, we have a problem. it's called isis. isis is fighting syria. now, we've built up iran to be a big power.
iran is on the side of assad, sere y. >> notice that donald trump has not yet said yes or no to that simple question of do you support regime change in syria? he goes on with that answer. his answer goes on for 665 words and he never answers the question. he just talks about what a bad job john kerry did negotiating the iran deal, which is exactly what donald trump had said an answer to a previous question. and here is how donald trump's 665 word nonanswer actually ended. >> so these are the thing that is we're stuck with, folks, but we will fix them. great. >> the questioner who did not get an answer to his question, nothing even close, grades the nonanswer, great. then general flynn asks another very good question, to which he
got lots of words, but no answer to his question. >> what would you do in libya to defeat isis and just talk a little bit about your commander in chief philosophy for how you would deal with this. >> it's more of the change, another place they're taking over. and this was a hillary clinton deal. >> and this time the answer went on for about 440 words and included sentences like "germany is a disaster" "france is a disaster" "crime is unbelievable" and not one word about what donald trump would do to defeat isis in libya and not one word about his commander in chief philosophy. vice presidential candidate tim kaine was across the border from donald trump in north carolina today giving us a preview of what we might hear from hillary clinton tomorrow night at the commander in chief forum. >> donald trump trash talks our
own military and those who sk kra -- sacrificed for it. he picked a fight with a virginia gold star family whose son died saving fellow soldiers. he has a strong fascination of countries that are no allies. with respect to allies he would toss alliances aside and says he wants to "take everything back from the world that we've given to them". >> joining us now, columnist from the daily beast. public trat gist for mitt romney's 2012 presidential run. and senior adviser to the trump 2016 campaign. let me try that yes or no question with you. is donald trump in favor of regime change in syria?
>> it's a very nuance issue, as you well know. the problem with syria is that when we started our policy with syria, there was a red line with assad. the red line was passed. then we were backing some we -- rebels who ended up backing isis. isis has a lot of our equipment. it's not about regime change, it's about how do we defeat isis. >> why did general flynn ask that question, donald trump's favorite general, if that's not the question now. >> well -- >> was it a bad question. >> it's up to general flynn to ask the question. by the way, hillary clinton didn't answer any questions. >> so i'm putting him down not in favor. >> i would -- if i were you, i would put him down strong on isis unlock hillary clinton. >> stuart stevens, he was asked how he would deal with isis and we got no answer to that.
>> look, donald trump has stated his position, he thinks it was a conspiracy that was founded by the president of the united states. he said barack obama founded isis. this is the problem with donald trump. you know, he takes a truth and wraps it in so many lies you can't see the truth. i personally think there's a lot of culpability of things that could have been done better. we have a human disaster in sere yachlt it's impossible to have this discussion with donald trump when he just sort of talks about this stuff and doesn't really say anything. i hope they ask donald trump some serious questions like, what is the difference between sunny and shiite. his depth of knowledge is that of a guy that was on the apprentice. >> he was asked serious questions today. general flynn asked good questions, that was good question. >> obviously, he's being sarcastic, the point remains
that -- >> he's got a lot -- >> wait. >> isis was born on hillary clinton's watch. the middle east is blown up on obama and hillary clinton's watch. there's no question about that. you look at egypt, libya, of course syria, look at iran the secret causes, it is obvious that foreign policy and national security have been a disaster. >> this is a part of the problem of having a debate like this in this sort of forum. but it's already been said that isis started on hillary clinton's watch, not true. and he also said -- you said that -- >> i did say it. it's true. >> and, of course, you know, you make fun of the fact that donald trump said that obama was the founder of isis. it shows the guy is not serious. that's a real good joking point about a very serious matter.
if he can't really respond, his viewpoints and his policies. >> when did isis start? >> you know, he's not really ready. >> you disagree with him but you're not bringing a counterpart. >> it's not the same thing of president being mvp. even if you want to say that. >> when did isis start, according to you, david. >> isis came out of al qaeda in iraq which started long before barack obama came into office. you can look it up. if you cared about the truth and if you cared about the facts you could look it up. >> it started on barack obama's watch. >> let's move. >> it didn't start on obama's watch. this is a fact. we know this. there are books out there. >> david, you don't have to go any further, we've got our disagreement recorded. boris, alone, this is a sign of hillary clinton and barack obama.
>> and i'm the only donald trump supporter here, right let's move across the globe to north korea, let's listen, again, very good question by general flynn. what -- what would be your policy, your strategy, he asked him, toward north korea? listen to this leadership answer. >> what i would do very simply is say china, this is your baby, this is your problem, you solve the problem. china can solve that problem. >> that was it. that's the entire trump strategy with north korea. >> you know, he's also said that he wants to get nuclear weapons to japan and south korea because clearly the problem of the world we don't have enough nuclear weapons. i don't really know what to make of this. it's not -- this is kind of a discussion that guys would -- and girls would have late at night maybe in some high school sitting around.
it's just -- it's just an absolute jumble of gibberish. >> is it the failed deal in 1994 that her husband. what's hillary clinton's policy on north korea. >> i think -- tomorrow night it's very likely. it's going to be on it for basically half an hour. north korea it's possible it won't come up. if your candidate. if he's asked his position on north korea and his entire answer is, i'm just going to ask the chinese to take care of that, do you really think that the american people have a leadership position to vote for in donald trump's position on north korea. >> if you look at the history of north korea as a communist country, right, since the 50s, what is the one country that's been able to control it, time and time again. that's china. it's happened ever since. donald trump is exactly right. united states has tried to play the leadership role, but absolutely failed in that
nuclear deal that madame al bright couldn't play. china is the country to be partners and china wants to north korea. >> i want to include david in this discussion. david, here we have the antichina candidate donald trump, who rails against china nonstop on all trade policy issues. he's going to go to them after he's ripped up every conceivable trade agreement with china, the various ways we international trade with china. and wants to destroy all of that and then say to them, now, i need you to do my job for me with north korea because i don't know how to do it. >> this is absurd. the united states has been trying to get china to work and lean on north korea for decades now. this is not a new idea, boris. i'm just going to ask china to do this, well, united states has been asking and it hasn't worked
because china plays a very sort of sophisticated game with north korea and doesn't lean on them too hard. donald trump who does everything he can to bash china. this is basically -- you know, my policy on north korea x my policy on north korea, give me a unicorn, that's what he's saying there. that's about -- >> it's hillary clinton's policy in korea. there isn't one. can i just disagree with the premise just a second here. donald trump has repeatedly said that he's worked with china, the bank of china which is a tenant in one of his buildings, he'll do it out of a position of toughness, which is something that -- >> he personally knows china -- >> he doesn't owe china a cent. that story was incorrect. again, it's not true. >> you're going to maintain that the trump companies have no debt to china whatsoever. >> there are companies that may owe china.
but he's not obligated for a cent for that debt. >> let me show you a moment what he had today with hillary flynn. >> does donald trump know more about isis than you? >> that is a statement that he made well over a year ago as he got into this -- as you get into the primary, so, i put things in context. i've been with him for almost a year now and i will tell you that this is a very capable guy. >> so boris, general flynn refused to agree with donald trump that he knows more about isis than the generals do, do you think donald trump knows more about isis? >> it's interesting, you're key to pick and choose small things donald trump. hillary clinton told congress she turned all over -- >> we're not getting an answer to that question. >> do you think donald trump more about -- >> you'll have to ask donald trump.
i'm here to talk about policies. >> we're out of time. >> we're out of time for this segment. thank you. >> i'll take eistien. >> boris ep stein, thank you very much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> coming up, i visited the standing rock sue reservation in dakota this weekend, i'll tell you what happened when attack dogs were used to control the protesters and i'll tell you the most important thing that the protesters are trying to teach us. also tonight tony schwartz will tell us what he expects from donald trump and debates and david johnston will take a look at donald trump's contribution to the attorney general just before he started to bring any charges civil or criminally against trump university. it's easy to love your laxative...
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that the florida attorney generals spokesperson said she was considering joining the new york attorney general's fraud case. four days after florida attorney general pam bndy made that announcement through her spokesperson, she got a campaign contribution of $25,000 from donald trump. the associated press that the attorney general said she personally solicited donald trump for that campaign contribution. within weeks of receiving that $25,000, attorney general bondy decided not to join any case against trump university. >> you said recently "when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do". >> you better believe it. i will tell you that our system is broken. i gave to many people, before this, before two months i give to everybody. when they call, i give. when i need something from them,
i call them and they are there for me. and that's a broken system. >> that was last year. yesterday donald trump tried to make you believe that the one person he not got anything from was florida attorney general pam bondy. >> she's beyond reproach. never spoke to her about it at all. >> what were you hoping to give out of that donation. >> i've known her for years. i have a lot of respect for her. never spoke to her about that at all and just have a lot of are the for her as a person and she's done an amazing job as the attorney general of florida. >> the story looks bad enough for donald trump if it stops there. but it doesn't. the campaign contribution was illegal because it came from the trump foundation, a charity which is not allowed to make political contributions.
the tax return did not list the illegal contribution when the irs discovered it, they fined the trump foundation $2,500. the trump campaign said today, it was just a series of clerical errors that led to the illegal contribution by the foundation and the coincidental failure to include that contribution in the foundation's tax returns. >> i am quite taken aback by the foundation making a political contribution to the florida attorney general who was just about to investigate trump university and then ending the investigation. i mean, there are so many things that are questionable about that and the irs certainly thought so and said it was illegal and fined trump for that, you know, set of facts.
>> the florida attorney general now caught in the uglyiest possible timing of campaign contribution is just outrage, that anyone could have the slightest suspicion that she and donald trump might have been up to something. >> i will not be collateral damage in a presidential campaign nor will i be a woman bullied by hillary clinton. this is her trying to deflect everything she said. of course i asked donald trump for a contribution, that's not what this is about. she was saying he was under investigation by my office at the time and i knew about it. none of which is true. >> joining us now is journalist and columnist with the daily beast. he has a new book out called "the making of donald trump." david, i guess we now know you want to keep tax return secrets if you can here is the one we know about it and it's got a tax crime on it.
>> yes, the irs operates under rules that are very lenient here. we don't know there was a $2,500 fine. we know the trump campaign has said they paid the $2,500 statutory penalty. in theory, actions like this, could and i would argue should resolve in revocation of your charitable status. you know, claiming the money really went to a group that teaches anti -- they wrote it to an outfit in california, neither of which have any past connection to trump whatsoever like by the way pam bondi who trump wants you to think was his close good friend for a long time. >> there's so many outrage here including the notion you can give $25,000 to a state general campaign and -- >> when you're under investigation. >> and pam bondi pretending it's
outrageous for us to wonder about this contribution arriving at her office announced that they were looking at the trump university. >> afterwards she lied about this also. she said they had one complaint from somebody in florida who had been taken by this scam called "trump university" it turns out there were over 8,000 pages of documents the state had from people saying, hey, i was swindled out of my entire life savings i'm going to lose my house. it turned out the agents representing donald trump or a couple who were well-known to state level securities law enforcement people all across america and who just shutdown the office and disappeared, bondi's office told people, you should call and ask for a refund. how do you call and ask for a refund when they've shutdown. >> we've been on the case for a year now.
thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. one of the presidential candidates visited the pipeline protest at standing rock sioux reservation in north dakota. later if you're wanting to talk to the man who cowrote donald trump's book, tony schwartz will join us. d is love" plays♪ my friends know me so well. they can tell what i'm thinking, just by looking in my eyes. but what they didn't know was that i had dry, itchy eyes. i used artificial tears from the moment i woke up... ...to the moment i went to bed. so i finally decided to show my eyes some love,... ...some eyelove. eyelove means having a chat with your eye doctor about your dry eyes because if you're using artificial tears often and still have symptoms, it could be chronic dry eye. it's all about eyelove, my friends.
meet alice brown otter. alice is 12 years old. she made her first trip to washington, d.c. this year. she didn't pile into a bus with her 7th grade classmates. she ran all the way from the standing rock sioux rock reservation in north dakota. alice told me she did it because water is life. that's what i kept hearing this weekend at the standing rock reservation in english and lacota "water is life." over 100 tribes from all over north america have gathered there to support the standing rock sioux tribe that will go under the missouri river. the tribe's fear that any leakage from the pipeline will damage the river and the reservation, the federal court judge hearing the tribe's case against the pipeline announced last week that he will make a decision at the end of this week.
then on friday the tribe filed additional information in court about sacred sites they had located in the path of the pipeline. on saturday the pipeline construction company sent bulldozers and deployed the security force. security personnel used trained attack dogs to keep protesters away from the bulldozers. it didn't work. the protesters kept advancing them. several of them were reportedly bitten by the dogs. in this shot captured by amy goodman and her crew, you can see blood on the mouth of this dog. there were no police witnesses to the confrontation, but a police statement after the fact mentioned only reported injuries to the security personnel, including one who was brought to the hospital in bismark but refused treatment when he got there. the pipeline company refused to respond to any of our questions today about their use of attack dogs against the protesters.
in an emergency hearing this afternoon, the federal judge handling the case ordered a temporary stop to construction activity on land controlled by the army core of engineers. he said he had no jurisdiction to order temporary stop. the tribe said there are sacred sites remaining on that privately owned land that could be destroyed by bulldozers this week. senator bernie sanders stands with the tribes. he issued a written statement opposing. he's not a presidential candidate and so hillary clinton is no under pressure from bernie sanders to take a position on the pipeline. green party jill stein supports the tribes and visited the pipeline protest today but she doesn't have the following of bernie sanders and so the tribe's protest still struggles to be heard by the national news media. no one at the camp on saturday was surprised that the pipeline company literally let loose the dogs against them. it might be hard for the rest of
us who believe that in 21st century dogs could be used this way legally in america. it could be for us to believe. the tribes aren't surprised. everyone i met in the protest camp, including the children, is willing to endure dog bites if that's what it takes tomorrow to preserve their sacred sites and their sacred water. they don't understand why we don't understand what water means to them and to us. they know that we're taught in high school of the human body is 60% water. they know that we're taught that there could be no life of any kind on this planet without water. they know we know the first thing we search for in other planets is any trace of water. because water is life. the tribes know we think watt ser a commodity and it is something outside of us that we use for our convenient. they know that it's part of us. the tribes know we are water. there would be no protest today
if the pipeline had followed an earlier proposed route that would not have crossed the missouri river and would not have come close to the standing sites. alice brown otters first stop in washington, d.c. was not one of the tourist locations. it was the army corps of engineers where she stood outside and protested with a small group of kids her age and younger who ran to washington with her, they did it because water is life. we can only hope the 12-year-old alice brown otter doesn't have to spend the rest of her life trying to teach us what she already knows. "water is life."
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hillary clinton is doing her homework. she's preparing for the upcoming presidential debates and the upcoming forum here and here is how she's approaching the debates. >> i'm doing my homework, donald trump is a self proclaimed great debater who won every one of the republican debates, so i take nothing for granted. i think this will be a difficult challenging debate, which is why i'm going to be thinking hard about what i need to present the american people. >> here is eric trump talking about how his father prepares for debates. >> every single one of the republican primary debates and i would look at some of the people on stage and i obviously, i saw this as well when i watched hillary and bernie, how many of
those sound bites have been rehearsed 300 times, where somebody stood in front of a mirror and they looked out into the crowd and they did so with blurred vision and they weren't looking at anybody and they were remembering a sound bite and threw it out. that's not who my father is. he his way is talking to really smart people. >> not just really smart people, really, really smart people. tony schwartz, will join us next on debating donald trump. a meeting? it's a big one. too bad. we are double booked: diarrhea and abdominal pain. why don't you start without me? oh. yeah. if you're living with frequent, unpredictable diarrhea and abdominal pain, you may have irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. a condition that can be really frustrating. talk to your doctor about viberzi,
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tony, i'm going to get to this debate stuff, i want to talk about breaking news that's happening at this hour, it's on the donald trump relationship with pam bondi, we knew about the $25,000 contribution. we have now -- we are now learning that he then hosted a fund-raiser for her some months after that first one, the first contribution and so, you know, what is your reading of the transactional nature of this kind of thing for donald trump when he's got a florida attorney general's office announcing we might join this case against trump university. >> i mean, it's pretty simple. it's a transactional man. he's always doing something that he thinks could serve himself interest and bribing politicians is something that he's explicitly said. he's explicitly said he does. and he said it's a problem with the system but not with his
taking advantage of the system in the most extreme ways. >> and then it is also that when we show him a transactional case like this, that this is the one where he says, oh, no, no, there was nothing transactional about this at all. after having told us in the primaries that every single one of his political contributions was transactional. >> because he lies without thinking. that's what he does. if you raise something that he does doesn't have an answer to, he says it's not true. >> period. >> how will this work in the debate scene for him. tomorrow night he's going to be doing half an hour on commander in chief issues. he'll go after hillary clinton, there's a coin toss today. he chose to go second after he hear what hillary clinton said. he was good today in front of an audience that loved him about not answering any questions smart questions asked to him by
the general. is he going to play an evasive nonanswer game. >> he's not actually capable of filler busting because he doesn't -- >> he pours out enormous amount of words without content. >> with tremendous amounts of repetition. >> i think he's a counter puncher, he's going to be looking for what she goes after. i think, you know, the best way to deal with donald trump in a debate is to give him back his own words. i mean, he can say on a press plane he's not going to comment on the bertha issue any more, he can't say that in a debate. if he does say it, it's an opening -- it's a wide opening for hillary clinton. >> you've been watching the televised debates for decades, you know donald trump, you've been watching him for decades.
do you think the debate format will be able to corral him? >> no. actually, i do not think you can corral him. i think what you hope to do is to get under his skin and unnerve him. he doesn't show up as unnerved, he simply says something that becomes an obvious sound bite because it's so outrageous and off the wall. what you hope he'll do is he'll say something equivalent to what he said about the khans or he'll say something equivalent to what he said about mccain. and if he feels humiliated, what we know about donald trump is it's -- he will always double down. so if he feels that he's been caught, he will double down and make it worse. so, it's his own words that, to me, are the greatest opportunity during this debate.
it's what he said about mccain. it's what he said about knowing more than the generals. you have a list, and in fact, you know, i think for hillary the challenge will be to choose wisely among the opportunities, among the choices, which of those she wants to put in front of his face. and, you know, that's not giving away anything about strategy because those words already exist and there's nothing he can do to take them back accept to deny that he said in the first place, which we know he's capable of doing. so, you know, the fact that chris wallace said he was not going to fact check during the debate, i think gives an opportunity for an awful lot of other people to fact check during the debate. what we know is between google and the reality of the likelihood that trump won't be saying things that are true, there's a tremendous opportunity to very quickly respond to where
he is clearly not telling the truth, where he's lying. >> so we can expect, you would expect that the clinton campaign will be able to harvest material out of the debate that gets into 30-second tv ads very quickly. >> i do. i think they can harvest, i think they can harvest tremendous amount of material from long before the debate for the last year and a half. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> coming up, the campaign war room, new national polls tightening in the race. charlie cook will translate those polls for us. afoot and light-heartedi ta. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine.
but a new cnn of likely voters shows donald trump at 45 and hillary clinton at 43 in the four-way race. the trump and clinton war rooms now have a washington post poll of all 50 states, the first time they have polled all of the states, some states are so lopsided no one bothers to poll them. the washington post shows 20 states where hillary clinton leads by at least four points and with ten toss up states the states where hillary clinton leads account for 244 electoral votes. the state where he leads accounts for 126. 62 days left for the presidential debate. charlie cook editor and publisher. charlie, translate for us what you're seeing in these polls. >> we've seen some tightening since august.
don't look for the polls to tell you what you want to see and obsess over those and don't get caught up on whatever the most recent even if it's inconsistent. watch the averages. watch the real clear politics average or pollster.com and if you look at those, it's heightened up a little bit. i don't think anybody was going to run away with this race. they're both hillary clinton and donald trump's negative are way too high for either one of them to win by a big margin. >> there are two-way race polls one on one, clinton versus trump. hillary clinton tends to do better in the one on one polls. then we run sometimes the three-way poll with the libertarian candidate and sometimes the four-way poll. in the four-way poll that's when hillary clinton has her smallest leads, that's when she does the worst in these polls. which is the better way to look
at these, grant it, in all almost 50 states, at least the multi party candidates will be on the ticket. >> if you suggest the names of the third or fourth candidates in the race, it tends to over inflate what they'll actually get on election day, it's not fair to leave them out either because you're leaving them out of the count. and so, you know, there's not a right answer other than maybe just go ahead and ask all four, but keep in mind that by suggesting these names to people that may not be thinking about gary johnson or jill stein, you're probably puffing up their numbers by a point or two. >> i notice that some of the organizations actually do it both ways. within the same poll they do a one on one and then they do a four-way race. it seems like they're suggesting to us that we might want to find a middle space between those two
spreads. >> if you look on the real clear politics, they'll have the four way, three way and you sort of look at all three of those variations and a lot of these things, there are no right or wrong answers and the guide is to take it all in and keep it all in perspective. this race is closed up some. you know, donald trump still has a long way to go to get 270 electoral votes. >> charlie, the presidential race is checkers, everybody thinks they can play checkers and everybody thinks they can predict the presidential race. you keep your eye on every player on that board. how does the senate race look to you now in terms of which party ends up with control? >> the democrats have about 60% chance of getting a majority back.
i personally am about 50/50. when the arithmetic is clearly working towards democrats. seven of the republican seats up are in states that obama carry, none of the democratic seats are up in romney states. and they're just a lot of republican seats right up against the edge. i think if were going to look at, say, three, i would probably watch new hampshire, north carolina, maybe indiana, pennsylvania, those would be the four i would watch. i think it's going to be 50/50 give or take a seat or two. and the numbers push it towards democrats, but i still think that the more likely it appears that hillary clinton will win, i still think there's going to be a little bit of hedging. you'll hear republicans say don't give hillary clinton a blank check because of sort of
the trust issues that she faces, i think you will see some sbing voters in some of these key states hedge back a little bit and want to maybe give republican a second look. i think it's a 50/50 proposition. >> charlie, that sounds like almost a professionalization of voters, what state do you expect the voter to behave that way. is that something you look for in new hampshire or the voters think about this a lot more in other states. >> i think -- if i was going to look at one, to me, that's the closest thing to a 50/50 race we've got. we can look at all the overs. a little bit over, you can look -- but new hampshire is the one that's just right on the knife's edge. so i would look att there more than anyplace else. >> charlie cook, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it.
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