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counterterrorism center. why isis supports donald trump. the results of a new poll, clinton still has a lot of ground to make up with voters connected to the military and military service. donald trump holds a substantial lead among military voters. along registered voters, clinton leads 48% to 42%. despite favoring trump, military voters trust trump and clinton about equally when it comes to making decisions about the use of nuclear weapons. among all registered voters, clinton holds a wide lead. donald trump laid out steps to rebuild the military in a speech today start with a new approach to fighting isis. >> immediately after taking office, i will ask my generals to present to me a plan within 30 days to defeat and destroy isis. >> this comes in contrast to what trump had been saying since before he announced his presidential bid that he has already a secret plan he simply cannot share.
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>> i don't want the enemy to know what i'm going to do. all i can tell you is that it is a fool-proof way of winning. and i'm not talking about what some people would say. but it is a fool-proof way of winning the war with isis. >> the press is saying i'm not -- i know more about isis than the generals do. believe me. trump doesn't have a plan for isis. i said, no, i have a plan, but i don't want to tell isis what it is. i have a plan. i promise i have a plan. i don't want to tell it. i want to be unpredictable. i don't want to be like barack obama. why do you tell the enemy you're sending people over there and they now have a target on their back. >> joining me at the "intrepid" museum, hans nichols. i think it has been a little hard to figure out, particularly in this area, foreign policy, use of american force. what exactly the kind of policy distinctions are because of the problems themselves are fairly
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complex. >> they are complex problems but he's managed to be a hawk and a dove. look at his position on syria. he's said he wants 20,000 to 30,000 combat ground troops on the ground. that's a remarkable position. it's quite different from what we're hearing from hillary clinton who just wants a few special operators. on the dovish side he's very clear he doesn't want to go about regime change. just today we saw him hit hillary clinton for some military -- mr. trump's word -- adventurism. it's this distinction that's going to be really interesting to watch from trump tonight. home -- potentially a home court advantage for mr. trump because he clearly does have more support among the military as we saw from that poll. another thing i'll be listening for, questions from a veteran. in october of 1967, john mccain took off from an aircraft carrier like this and spent five years as a prisoner of war. >> part of the symmetry here trying to figure out what these
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candidates' policy are is, you know, donald trump, unlike any nominee of a major party since 1940 or eisenhower arguably in '52, he hasn't held public office. so hillary clinton voted for the iraq war. she supported libyan intervention. she was engaged in those decisions in a public way. donald trump's positions tend to be found in interviews that he might have given at the time and they hold a different status for that reason. >> i think you're right in that if you take a vote in the united states senate, that has weight and has matter. in some ways we're extrapolating hillary's position on internal debates in the obama administration, on libya. we find of know where she was based on memoirs, her book. it's not like she took a firm vote on the floor of the senate in the way previous candidates have and it's hurt their candidacy. it's a fair point. we don't have the paper trail. we have a rhetorical trail. and with donald trump, he showed himself to be remarkably dexterous in adopting new
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positions and circumstances warrant as others would say simply flip-flopping. >> i'm also interested in veterans affairs. that's an area where policy details really matter. just to see how these two candidates talk about in a granular fashion something like fixing the v.a. everyone wants to, quote, fix the v.a. you're in some weedy policy areas. >> in some ways you want administrator for this. you have to know where the levels are inside the department of administration. governing is tough. getting these -- effecting these changes you can have a policy. implementing them is another. you can take trump's argument that he's a businessman, an implementer. knows how to cram things through. in some ways there aren't a lot of policy differences unless someone is advocating for a longer waiting time for veterans. it's an efficacy argument. it's an administrative argument. it's how you control the levels of bureaucracy n lower waiting times. >> hans nichols, thanks. i'm joined by angela
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delgado, senior adviser to the trump campaign. i want to talk about this. it's been remarkable in that donald trump has kind of run against neoconservativism. he ran against it in the primary. he was in that remarkable south carolina debate where he went after jeb bush on iraq. and yet as my colleague points out, when you look at what he says is a sort of tour of destruction, iraq, libya, mubarak's fall in egypt, he supported all of those in the time in interviews or difference context. so the question is where is he really? >> i have to push back on that. iraq, even two months before the war, he was saying we should be focused on the economy or letting the u. inven. handle it. he never supported the iraq war the way clinton did. >> let's play the howard stern clip because that's the record in 2002.
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donald trump talking to howard stern about iraq. take a listen. >> we have an idea who the enemy is. a lot of times the politicians don't want to tell you that. >> are you for invading iraq? >> yeah, i guess so. i wish it was -- i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> i will give you that that is not full-throated support. yeah, i guess so. >> and the week of, he was calling it a mess and against it outright. >> libya to me is a sig matsnat issue because it's something that happened -- >> they call it hillary's worry. >> she was one of the most vocal supporters. here's donald trump talking about libya and the possibility of intervention, urging intervention at the time. take a listen. >> gadhafi in libya is killing thousands of people. nobody knows how bad it is. and we're sitting around. soldiers all over the middle east and we're not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage. we should go in. we should stop this guy which would be very easy and very
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quick. we can do it surgically. stop him from doing it and save these lives. this is absolute nuts. we don't want to get involved. ultimately, the people will appreciate it. they'll end up taking over the country eventually. but the people will appreciate it. and they should pay us back. >> so he's pretty explicitly advocating that intervention at that point. >> as a private citizen, though, chris. he did not have access to the information that hillary clinton did as a member of -- >> that's the asymmetry. he's always been a private citizen. he's had various views and judgments on moments of intervention. >> against the iraq war, yes. >> to say that he was against the iraq war when there were literally people in the streets, it seems a bit much. >> you lived in new york at the time. you were not allowed to take that position without serious pushback. especially as a -- >> barack obama took it. he was a public figure and a -- >> not a businessman in new york
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you could not. >> daniel erickson, american conservative. the sort of holds down the ideological wing of war skepticism among conservatives. trump has relatively few anti-war conservative friends because he is not really reliably anti war in any meaningful sense. he favors a much larger military budget. he usually has no strong objections to foreign wars when they begin. >> on russia, it's hillary clinton who is looking to lead us into an outright military conflict with them saying she'll use military force if there's any cyberissue with russia. she wants to stop the fly zone over syria. >> has supported no-fly zone in the past. >> trump is saying let's be diplomatic with putin. he's the only one talking about being diplomatic with russia. >> he's been quite open to being diplomatic with russia. on syria, he's supported no-fly
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zones and called for 20,000, 30,000 u.s. troops. >> he's not saying assad has to go, as hillary does. does she want to get us into syria, conflict with russia, stay in iraq, libya is a downright mess. that's her foreign policy record. >> is 20,000 to 30,000 troops in syria the current trump position? >> once he gets into office and has the information that hillary has access to. >> a.j. delgado, thanks very much. joining me from washington, senator barbara boxer, democrat from california. i want you to respond to trump's claim that hillary clinton has sowed destruction. the clinton/obama foreign policy has sown destruction. >> the whole campaign is in utter chaos. you have someone who contradicts what trump said. he supported the war in iraq when he was asked, do you go in. i said i guess so. look. i voteod that war.
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i voted no. i didn't say, i think i guess. and then she says he can't say now whether he supports troops in syria which he just said because he doesn't know enough when he's been briefed. he's been having those national security briefings. and libya, he had even stronger, i think, voice than hillary's because he wanted to go in with american troops whereas we had a lot of allies if in. so that whole campaign is a mess. and i'm very interested to see what happens in the coming hour or two. >> do you think there is -- i mean, what do you think of this issue that has emerged, particularly on foreign policy which is that the sum total of donald trump's record because he was as a.j. just said a, quote, private citizen are, howard stern interviews or iphone videos. >> you say what you say at the moment when everyone is listening. and he always fancied himself a
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leader. the greatest or whatever he is. and when you say an opinion, at the moment a decision is going to be made, like, yeah, i guess we should invade iraq and, yeah, send 20,000 troops to syria and, yes, send our troops into libya, that's on the record. as you pointed out, barack obama was a state senator. he was clear on iraq. i was fortunate enough to be there to be able to speak officially in my senate capacity. but you can't say i'm ready to be commander in chief and then disown everything you said. it's just extraordinary to me. plus, you add in, you know, his comments, very positive comments about putin, about kim jong-un, about saddam hussein. he praised these brutal dictators who gassed their people, arrested their people, killed their people. frankly, i think what people will learn about hillary is she wants to avoid war.
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she wants to use diplomacy. she knows how to do it. and a point i want to make that's just never made so i am going to tell you what i think here. the pew charitable trust, they did a survey of all the countries in the world, and when hillary went into the job as secretary of state, 80% said they did not admire america. when she left, 73% of the countries of the world said they did have a favorable view. so no matter what he says about her tenure, she restored american leadership in the world. and that's what you'll keep doing as president. >> as a democrat who took a difficult vote to vote against the iraq war, which was a hard vote at that moment. what do you say to fellow democrats who say we're weary, looking at the longest war stretching into its 15th year. about the use of force under a
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hillary clinton administration. can they trust there will be the restraint many people want to see? >> i think they can because she did the hardest thing any politician can do. i can tell you that. i have been in elected life for 40 years. the hardest thing to do is i made a mistake. and she said it. and if you listen to her comments before the vote, she honestly expressed on the floor of the senate her hope and her expectation that george bush would not use that war power. that he would use diplomacy. so she learned about her mistake. she is seasoned now. she knows how diplomacy can avert war, and war should be a last resort. i feel very good about her. very good. >> senator barbara boxer, thanks for making time today. much more to come tonight live from the "intrepid" museum. my interview with senator chris
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real policy. resume to resume, this is no contest. a survey monkey poll showing clinton with a one-point lead over trump in texas which has not backed a democrat. arizona has gone republican in 15 of the past 16 elections but also comes as a string of polls show a clear tightening nationwide. clinton's national lead over trump which polls showed to be eight or nine points one month ago now cut roughly in half. joining me is josh and tara. so i find this sort of phenomenon fascinating particularly because the texas and arizona polls come at the same time that the grand political narrative the past week. trump is rising and hillary is falling. what do you make of that? >> i think the narratives can be reconciled. there are other states trump is performing better than you'd expect him to be in the rust belt and the north. this is consistent with the huge
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demographic shifts. trump is doing better with white voters who haven't gone to college than a republican candidate normally does. clinton is doing better with whites who did go to college and probably better with nonwhite voters than is typical. in states like texas where white voters who doesn't go to tex aalmost all of them were already voting for trump, there isn't much gain to ground there but he can lose a lot of college educated voters. those who might care about a news endorsement. >> wisconsin, where there are a lot of white voters. a huge pool of white voters who weren't already voting republican, might be closer than a state like virginia or colorado which were seen as swing states. >> when you look at all the battleground state polls, in addition to this expanding of the map, hillary clinton has either a solid or a strong lead in many of the battleground states. the state-by-state polls are far more important. i think with a state like texas
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to josh's point, you have the change in demographics and hillary clinton is at this point outperforming by massive margins donald trump with minority voters, asians, african-americans, latinos. the other problem is there's still some republicans who are uncomfortable with donald trump. >> and the same time, the other side of this is you look like -- i was looking at a poll in florida. romney won around 40% of latino voters in 2012. donald trump polling around 13% in florida. that should be the gig, right? it's not. florida is polling very close. this gets to the point that there are a lot more white voters without college education than a lot of people realize. >> this is a point "the new york times" is making a lot. there's disagreement among researchers about how many electorate is white voters who didn't go to college. in the exit polls there's this situation where people overreport their education level. more people are saying they have college degrees than is actually plausible based on census data.
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you look at those exit polls it looks like the demographics should be more favorable than for hillary clinton. you look at the secensus -- >> and florida has an older population. republicans do very well with older voters. and people go to florida to retire. so by definition, you have a lot of older voters in a state like florida. >> back to texas. quite a young state compared to a lot of states. and texas has been this great, you know, it's this sort of great white whale of democratic politicians. because the idea is, if you can turn texas into california, democrats would never lose a presidential election again. that's how the theory goes. yet they've found it much, much harder to make those inroads than the demographics alone would suggest. >> the other thing happening is clinton is doing very well in states where the last 15 years or so have gone very well. the economy is very good in places like colorado, virginia. i'd also put texas on that list.
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it's also a state where other social indicators look better among those who describe themselves as christians. they are more likely to go to church in texas. and places where communities seem to be very healthy. trump did quite badly in the republican primaries. those are the places republicans tend to be most skeptical of donald trump. >> and the ted cruz effect. he's fairly popular in texas. ted cruz has not been supportive of donald trump. so you have that. i think the reason texas has hard to turn blue or purple is that if you lookt texas, texas is a state that's controlled by republicans by and large. so they control the infrastructure of the political apparatus in that state. so it is a very hard to -- when a party controls the infrastructure and has a machine because republicans like to point to the democratic machine. let's be very clear. republicans have a machine, too. >> particularly texas. they haven't had a statewide democrat since ann richards. the other thing about texas, and this is the "dallas morning news" editorial was fascinating.
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california and texas -- california used to be a republican stronghold and then a swing state. around the same time those two states diverged. a lot had to do with the politics of immigration. texas, much, much, much more tolerant and welcoming attitude toward immigrants among the republican party. and it is meant they've been a much more durable party. >> i think that's part of the effect. people overstate that. republicans do better with white voters in texas than with white voters in california. republicans do better with hispanics in texas but there were other demographic trends that made -- republicans haven't outperformed their vote in california since 1980. the state was falling away since before 1994. >> donald trump wins texas by 15 points or two points on election night and i'd believe anything in that span. it's one of the more fascinating results we'll look for. thank you both. coming up, a preview of what to expect tonight as the candidates make their pitch to be commander in chief.
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our veterans are not being treated well. and by the way, hillary clinton has been doing this for 35 years. now she says she can do it. she doesn't have a clue. >> his whole campaign has been one long insult to all those who have worn the uniform, to protect our most cherished american values. >> the presidential candidates make their pitches to be commander in chief. while combat operations officially ended in afghanistan in 2014, u.s. soldiers are still fighting there 15 years on. u.s. soldier staff sergeant was killed just two weeks ago in
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helmand province. the number of veterans with multiple tours of combat duty is the largest in modern american history. more than 90,000 soldiers and marines. they'll be front and center tonight. joining us, colonel jack jacobs. >> good to see you. >> i keep thinking of afghanistan, and i'm really curious what folks -- what happens with the candidates tonight. it's the longest war in the history of the american republic. the war the president came into office saying he was hoping to end, is going to leave office having not ended. in some ways it's hard to make concrete campaign plans or reality about what you'll do with a conflict like that. >> you have to have some kind of world vision and be able to parse the multiple threats that face the united states and its allies. and you have to be a strategic thinker. if you want to win this election, on that basis, you have to be able to convince the electorate that you are a strategic thinker and you have a plan for working out what it is the united states needs to do to
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protect itself and then work backwards to structure a force and a strategy in order to accomplish it. >> there's a line, no battle survives first contact with the enemy. we've seen this in politics. president bush saying he was opposed to nation building and skeptical of regime change. 9/11 happens. that changes. part of it is a trust in their judgment of the people around them because events may fly into the picture. >> you mentioned two things that are really important. the first being able to surround yourself with the best people you can. people who can give you the kind of advice that's based on years and years of study and practice. you can't surround yourself with yes men because you'll wind up doing the same rotten things over and over. it's going to be worse. the second thing is that you have got to be able to parse the difference between things that are really important to get
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accomplished and those not particularly important to get accomplished. among those is not just seizing the objective. anyone can seize the objective. the way to win wars is to hold on to the objective in the end. none of the administrations in recent memory have been able to do that. >> part of it when we get to isis is the current engagement with isis is something that's extremely difficult to reduce to campaign sound bites. because there are so many factors involved from the state of sectarian iraqi politics to the ways in which they are able to adapt to battlefield conditions. how do you sort of talk about this in political context when it is hard to -- >> it is difficult. i have to tell you in an environment in which we can't figure out who among these competing factions out there are really the enemy one day or the next and then in fact, we're on the side of the iranians in one case and against them in the other. the american public, the voting public gets very confused. and somebody like donald trump who said, wait a minute, it's
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too tough. these guys are all nuts, we need to withdraw from the scene, turns out to be an extremely attractive way to get votes. >> particularly when you compare that with, we're going to bomb the expletive out of them. >> for everybody, that's easy to do. we focus entirely on technological means for defeating the enemy. we're in an environment in which we can decide whether we'll send a precision guided munition up the left or the right nostril of some bad guy but at the end of the day it's not going to change the environment in which these bad guys multiply. unless you come to the conclusion that you've got a way to fix it, you'll not get the electorate's vote. >> always a pleasure, colonel. msnbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs. a new allegation in the pay for play allegations by donald trump. what he did for the florida attorney general after she dropped an investigation on trump university. that's after this break. hmmmmmm.....
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bombshell new developments. in 2013, trump's foundation donated $25,000 to a political committee associated with bondi. the donation coming just four days after bondi's office said it was considering joining a new york state investigation of trump university. after the donation, bondi decided not to join the trump university investigation. bondi acknowledges soliciting a donation from trump but denies it influenced her decision. trump says it simply reflected his respect for bondi. he's posted in the past that when he gives money to politicians, they do what he tells them. organizations like the trump organization are not allowed to make donations. now trump also held a fund-raiser for bondi at his
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mar-a-lago result. here are the details. sam stein is one of the authors of that report. it's not just the holding of the event at mar-a-lago after it's been dropped. it's the price tag. explain this to me. >> so mar-a-lago is not a cheap resort to rent. trump has himself used it during the campaign and he's charged his own donors. he's charged his own campaign about $140,000 per event. so expensive. but when pam bondi was doing a fund-raiser at mar-a-lago, the charge was about $5,000. so relatively cheap fund-raiser, which in itself is very valuable for a campaign. if pam bondi's re-election campaign doesn't have to dole out $10,000, $20,000, $30,000, that helps with her. this was not just a large in terms of gathering donors but giving her what appears to be a fairly discounted rate for the
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use of mar-a-lago. >> i want to understand these numbers. donald trump charges his own campaign when it's being paid for by donor funds $140,000 for an event there and charged the bondi campaign $5,000? >> correct. the bondi people note these are different sizes and scopes. the trump campaign is a national presidential campaign. a huge media contingency that has to be taken care of. it's done inside. the bondi event was outside on the lawn. featured refreshments and snacks but no lavish dinner. that being said, the discrepancy between $140,000 and $5,000 is pretty vast. >> there's also been -- the bondi herself and bondi folks have been pushing back on this. they say there was essentially no quid pro quo. >> sure. >> trump at first said he didn't discuss any of this. didn't reference any discussion about trump university
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specifically. but there does seem to be at least sort of the sequence of these things does seem to raise a bunch of questions. >> you detailed it pretty well. what we're talking about is a public declaration from her office that they're going to look at whether to join a suit with respect to trump university and trump institute. four days later that $25,000 check comes in. at some point in late 2013, early 2014, it is announced she will not join the suit. and in march 2014, he holds a fund-raiser for her. there is no proving quid pro quo here. to prove a quid pro quo takes an extraordinary amount of evidence that rarely surfaces. but we are in the midst of a conversation about donors to the clinton foundation and what they got from that and if that is going to be a conversation we're having here then we must have it there. >> here's my question. the strangest thing about this story is it's the trump foundation. i'm not a lawyer. if you hired me to be the
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general counsel any of foundation tomorrow, i would know that you can't write a $25,000 check to a political campaign. i'm serious. this is -- >> it's true. >> that's not an obscure piece of tax law knowledge. that's an obvious prima facie knowledge of the laws that guide foundations and non-profits in that category. >> he hoursall the more confusi because he hires the best people. the more conventional forms of giving were throwing the fund-raise ewriting the check himself. and ivanka trump also wrote a check to pam bondi and to the republican party of florida. this foundation donation which resulted in a penalty by the irs is perplexing the fact it was clearly something outside the bounds of what normal foundations do. >> sam stein, thanks for joining me. still to come, it's only hand once before but today donald trump outlined a second policy where he appears at least
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by the obama administration. that's become a flash point in this campaign. now both are calling on congress to reverse cuts to military spending which took effect in 2013 through the budget sequester. hillary clinton made her case to end the sequest or defense just last week to the american legion. >> we cannot impose arbitrary limits on something as important as our military. that makes no sense at all. the sequester makes our country less secure. let's end it and get a budget deal that supports america's military, our families and our country. >> today in philadelphia, trump echoed his democratic opponent in a speech of his own. >> as soon as i take office, i'll ask congress to fully eliminate the defense sequester n will submit a new budget to rebuild our military. it is so depleted. we will rebuild our military. >> joining me, republican congressman adam kinzinger.
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we're starting to see the beginnings of a concession. is that how things look? >> there's been broad consensus for sequester is stupid and it needs to end. where the problem has been is how do we end it? how do we get there? that's where the debate is. it's a failure of congress to come up with bipartisan ways to reduce federal expenditures and to be able to bring our budget in line. this was basically an ax of across the board cuts. most members want to end sequester. it's great both presidential candidates do. now it's the finer details of let's get it done and hopefully this is the beginning of that. >> that seems to be the devil in the details. even though i said this was an area of consensus if you bear down, my understanding is hillary clinton wants to lift the entirety of the sequester which is on the domestic nonmilitary side and military. donald trump as far as i can tell is only looking to lift the military side.
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that's essentially a nonstarter as far as how these negotiations go. >> yeah, so it's an argument over the domestic side of the house and spending. i actually believe that long-term we have to look at the 70% of expenditures from the federal government that congress has no control over. through reform. if we have to talk about social security for a guy that's 38 like me and reforms that can be put in place to save it for current seniors, that's a way to get there and to reform real problems into the future and also eliminate in that process this sequester need and outfit our military of which i still serve in with the equipment, the future body armoplanes and everything else they need to do what we're calling on them to do. >> what's interesting is if you're talking about some kind of swap that would involve some sort of reform to benefits whether those are social security or medicare or something along the original ryan budget, that's essentially seems to be taken off the table by the nominee of the republican party donald trump. >> that's a concern i've had.
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i've been critical of that fact. it's grown-up discussions. it's this understanding that, look, we have a problem into the future and into the next 20, 30, 50 years, frankly even now when it comes to debt and deficit. let's look long term how to fix these problems. when either candidate from any party says i don't have a problem, then that's an issue. >> respectfully, sir, it seems the projections and the trustees look pretty good. interest rates stay pretty low. the deficit be cut by quite a bit. a sort of bulging of cost in the wake of the recession. why should we be concerning ourselves with it right now? >> well, i think it's important to concern ourselves with. the answer is not just to continue to cut things immediately that you know people rely on. we've done quite a bit of that. it's the long-term reform aspect. how do we reform how we're doing government? how do we make those reforms to make it sustainable? the other thing is economic growth. that's how we're going to grow ourselves out of this. long term, the deficit is projected to increase again. this is something we can fix.
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alleviate sequester and in a bipartisan way achieve some things for the country for once. >> congressman adam kinzinger, thanks for making the time. appreciate it. donald trump has been on both sides of this sequester issue. the sequester in total. today says he's for boosting defense spending. in 2013, days before the sequester which cut defense and nondefense side, trump went on fox and said it didn't go far enough. >> i think you have to do a lot more cutting if you'll balance budgets, you'll be doing a lot more cutting. there's no question about it. everybody knows it. the president knows it. congress knows it. and this is just the beginning. >> what happens if we do no cuts at all and the next year, two, three years, we continue to balloon our debt and deficit. >> well, eventually you're going to have a big, fat explosion. and it's all going to come to an end. >> joining me, democratic congressman adam schiff.
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what is your understanding of the republican position on this, of donald trump's position, in terms of a lifting of sequester once we get into 2017? >> well, i think you put your finger on it. what trump is proposing is not doing away with sequester. only doing away with sequester as it affected defense spending but not any defense spending. that's a nonstarter in the congress. that's been the position of the current gop congress. what distinguishes trump from the gop is that he opposes any form of entitlement reform. he wants a massive tax cut. wants to build a multibillion-dollar wall and has offered no information about how he's going to pay for any of this. that's the big question. this isn't really so much a policy proposal as a political position. he hasn't really told us anything about how he would pay for it. >> yeah, i would stipulate the math is -- that you're outlining is almost certainly correct.
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a large increase in border enforcement and military spending. a trillion dollars in tax cuts. no change to the earned benefit program means bigger deficits. we had this huge austerity push in 2010. there's really concrete evidence that it hurt growth in this country. interest rates are continuing historic lows. why not just get rid of the deficit concern? >> i don't think we can get rid of the deficit concern but it's also true we shouldn't place the budget above all other priorities. and you're right. we could have made a massive investment in infra structure in this country. it would have had a multiplier effect on the economy and would have put a lot of people back to work and shortened the duration of the recession. it was a mistake to overemphasize austerity. long-term deficits and increasing national debt is, i believe, a threat to the country. it's something we need to wrestle to the ground. there's a limited menu of things we can do about it. it's not rocket science but does
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require compromise and it requires a political system that works. right now our system is so dysfunctional. it doesn't give me a lot of optimism about our ability to grapple with that long-term challenge. >> do you feel you have a good idea from where you sit in congress? what a trump presidency first 100 days domestic agenda would look like? >> i don't think any of us really know. that's the thing that trump's positions have been so malleable. it would certainly be very chaotic. but if you look at just the subset of national security issues they'll talk about tonight, trump has been telling us that's he has a secret plan for dealing with isis. he knows betters than the generals what to do. now he's announced he's going to ask the generals for a plan within 30 days. he doesn't have a secret plan after all. and the question is, what would he do with the plan once he got it from the generals. if he's asking for the military's advice about defeating isis militarily
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immediately, that's going to require tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of troops, american boots on the ground. and he hasn't reallile to us about whether he'd be willing to do that, whether he'd entertain that. so it is pretty much a complete roll of the dice with donald trump. and i don't think any of us, democrats or republicans, know what we would get in the first 100 days, except, i think, soone dramatically unsuited for the office. >> thank you very much, congressman adam schiff. we're about three hours from the start of the commander in chief forum hosted by nbc news and the iraq and afghanistan veterans of america. hillary clinton and donald trump set to occupy the same stage for the first time ever. senator chris murphy joins me to preview what we're going to hear, next. it's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. some salesmen focus all their energy on selling their products. not mort. this new york-based political buttonmaker says building long-term relationships is the
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senator bob corker, the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee who had been mentioned as a possible vp candidate for donald trump and who previously said he was willing to help trump develop a policy platform will not say whether he has confidence in trump as commander in chief. >> do you have confidence in trump as commander in chief when it pertains to foreign policy? >> well, look, neither of the campaigns, to my knowledge, have laid out much of anything. >> that's pretty much a yes/no question. >> yeah, and i think that -- i think the candidate is certainly deepening in what he's -- donald trump is deepening in what he's throwing out. >> joining me, senator chris
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murphy, democrat from connecticut, member of the same senator foreign relations committee. respond to coming donald trump said about hillary clinton's foreign policy. this is him talking about her creating a destructive foreign policy. >> unlike my opponent, my foreign policy will emphasize diploma diplomacy, not destruction. hillary clinton's legacy in iraq, libya, syria has produced only turmoil and suffering and death. >> what's your response to that, senator? >> let's talk about what donald trump has told us his foreign policy would be. he'd unwind the most significant diplomatic achievement of the obama administration. the nuclear deal to stop iran from getting nuclear weapons. he said he would cut a new deal with russia which means withdrawing from the sanctions regime. a diplomatic means of trying to stop russia from entering and invading more countries in
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eastern europe. he said he'd allow for isis to exist in a free zone inside syria which will eventually give them license to organize attacks against the united states. so you can say that he's for diplomacy bah he's opposed every diplomatic engagement and achievement of the obama administration. and he has suggested that he's going to undertake policies that would essentially allow, give safe haven for groups like isis to organize against the united states. it's just as ridiculous as everything else that donald trump has proffered. he says one thing but when you dig deeper, the policies he espouses are exactly the opposite. >> what are you looking for as someone who serves on foreign relations committee. someone who i think is a prominent voice for the democratic party and center left broadly construed on foreign policy. i'm curious what you want to hear from each candidate tonight. >> first, one thing i'm worried about is we'll set an incredibly low bar for donald trump
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tonight. that we'll claim he has looked like a commander in chief because he manages to get through the hour without mixing up hamas and hezbollah or insulting some major u.s. ally. what i want to see from him is that he knows what the threats are to this country. he has not displayed that thus far. and that he knows how to confront them. what i'd like to see from both of them is an understanding that u.s. military power alone can't solve the problems of this world any longer. we are very badly resourced at a federal level when it comes to facing the challenges we face. we need help from our allies in europe. we need to invest in counterpropaganda efforts when it comes to russian propaganda and isis propaganda. we need help to rebuild incredibly poor places where extremism festers. i think hillary clinton in many ways is the founder of that smart power school of thought within the foreign policy establishment. donald trump tonight, unfortunately, i think, will come off as a success as long as
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he doesn't completely and totally embarrass himself. i think the bar has got to be a lot higher. >> senator chris murphy, always a pleasure. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, chris. that does it for this hour live from the "intrepid" museum. i'll be back at the anchor desk tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. for "all in." "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's wednesday, it's the first major general election showdown of the year. the commander in chief forum taking place right here. donald trump, hillary clinton, tonight. this election more than any since 2004 is actually a referendum on the security of our nation. >> no one will work harder for our troops, our veterans and our military families. >> i will never let you down. >> we'll dig into the real policy ideas through all the promises and the punches. >> she's totally unfit to be our commander in chief.

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