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>> it was so sad to see communities that have been left jobless where the companies have moved to other countries. by ending foreign currency manipulation and other trading practice, we will be able to open thousands of new plans and fan factories across america. in driving over today i passed so many plauss, factories, 30 years ago they were thriving. and they are just dead. a real estate person you wouldn't pay anything. we'll put them back into action again. the future is filled with limitless possibilities for our nation. and exciting opportunities for our wonderful children. we all have to do and we just have to work. we all have to work. but we all have to cut our ties with the failed politics of the
past. you have to cut your ties. you have to cut your ties. these are the people that put us in this situation. that includes in wars. hillary clinton created a lot of the problems and now she's saying how she's going to take us out. she doesn't have a clue. not even little clue. we have had such a failed foreign policy with the people we have now. a failed education policy. a totally failed economic policy. and underneath it all, a failed political system that rewards politicians for how many donors they have. not how many americans they help to live better and more process pous lives.
they will talk to you and come into cleveland. she will be saying what a a wonderful job she's going to do. she'll get your vote. then she'll say see you in four years. she might even say see you in four years, suckers. because that's what it is. but the failures of the past are about to end. that ending begins on a very special date for this country, november 8th. get out and vote. we will have one american nation. we will be one american people. we're fighting to give every child in every forgotten stretch of this country the chance to live out their dreams in safety and in peace. that means a safe neighborhood,
a quality education, and a secure high-paying and exciting job. we only have bad jobs. we don't have good jobs anymore. many of our good jobs have left. they are gone. this is how we will e rebuild our future. this is how we will make america great again. god bless you. thank you very much. >> a speech was less about his education policies and more of an attack on hillary clinton. donald trump in cleveland taking the opportunity to combat some of the criticism that he got after last night's commander-in-chief forum. let's start right there. katy tur has been covering the speech. she's on the phone with us from cleveland. and katy, as i said, he seemed
to be defending himself and in terms of iraq and how he felt about the war. >> you're right. this is the most detailed defense we have heard donald trump give on this issue. reporters like myself have been asking him for proof on where he stood on the iraq war since the beginning of this campaign when he claimed he was against it since 2003. the offer has never held up. i pointed to an interview back in 2003 as proof he was against the war before the invasion, but that interview is a world salad of positions that donald trump was taking. it doesn't show him being on one side of the issue or the other. he also repeatedly brought up the "esquire" article as proof he was against the war. the invasion started in 2003. he took the opportunity to go after hillary clinton saying she did a terrible job last night.
that's why she had the press conference today. he laid out the various accusations he had against favors to bankers and selling contracts to friends and donors. he was here to talk about education. he's here trying to lay out a more coherent and detailed education policy for the first time this campaign season. we were talking about an end to common corps on the campaign trail. today he added the idea of school choice to that saying student should be allowed to decide which school they want to go to. and they should get the money they need to do that. talked about opening up $20 billion in federal money to establish a grant for kids living in poverty. that money would be able to follow the students to the
school of their choice. e he also talked about merit pay for teachers, reducing regulations. then into his trade reforms and general stump speech. this is all part of a concerted effort by the campaign to connect with african-american voters. there is an admission behind this they maybe did not do that in a good way during the primary season. they might have ignored minority voters in a way that did not help them. but now they are trying to focus in. they are trying to build a bridge. trying to find a way to connect with those voters. especially since donald trump is doing so poorly in the polls with that voting bloc. is it going to work? we'll have to wait and see. the conversations that i have had had with many african-american voters in cities across the country, they believe that donald trump's message has been a little on the condescending side and he should have been doing this earlier in the campaign. the fact that he's coming out now with two months left to go only shows he's realized he's
going to need their vote in order to win november. that's why he's coming around on these issues. >> katy tur on the phone on the campaign trail. we'll let you get back to it. i want to bring in a voice from team trump, steve cortez. he's a member of trump's hispanic a advisory council. nice to e see you again. president obama this morning he's overseas in asia. he held a news conference. here's what he had to say about donald trump this morning. take a listen. >> as far as trump, i think i have offered my opinion. i don't think the guy is qualified to be president of the united states. and every time he speaks, that opinion is confirmed. i think the most important thing for the public and the press is to just listen to what he says and follow up and ask questions
about what appear to be either contradictory or uninformed or outright wacky ideas. >> is it concerning that the president of the united states has that low of an opinion about your candidate and by the way, no former president has endorsed donald trump. >> it's not concerning to me. i will tell you why. obama also called americans lazy in that same press conference. i don't appreciate that as an american that he goes overseas and does that. regarding the lack of confirmation from former presidents, lack of affirmation for donald trump, this has been clear from the beginning of his campaign. this isn't a candidacy as it is a movement. he wants to upened the entire political order of washington, d.c. that includes a lot of republicans. so i think it's understandable that there's a lot of resistance. he's not going to tinker around the edges in washington, d.c. he wants to smash the rigged
capital system that's harming america with slow growth and with less security than we should have both at home and abroad. i'm not surprised he doesn't get buy in from some of the people who created that crooked system. >> let's play a little sound from last night if people missed it here on nbc. one of the comments that's getting a lot of attention from donald trump. >> let me read some of the things you have said. i know more about isis than the generals do. believe me. was that the truth? >> the generals under barack obama and hillary clinton have not been successful. >> do you know more about isis than they do? >> under the leadership of barack obama and hillary clinton, the generals have been reduced to rubble. they have been reduce d to a point where it's embarrassing for our country. >> as you know, the clinton campaign all over this today. hillary clinton and all of her surrogates saying he's completely inappropriate and disparaging our military. is that a good strategy for your
candidate? >> i always try to admit to you. he misspeaks or missteps. i don't think criticizing uniformed military will do him any good. the military doesn't see it that way. he's up 20 points. >> that was before last night, to be fair u. >> i doubt it's going to move very much. >> he said they have been reduced to rubble, steve. >> look, here's what i think is important. we shouldn't be criticizing the military officers who were in uniform doing their best. we can criticize the results. the military is part of that. and this is the reality. the reality is we are far less safe than we were when the president took office. we have a nuclear iran. we have a caliphate in the middle east. we have a resurgent china flexing its muscle. we have terror attacks in the united states. let's look at the results. what we're doing isn't working. that may involve military leaders. maybe we don't have the right
generals. certainly we need to rely heavily in what they tell us, but maybe we need to listen to a different crowd within that circle. >> you don't get to pick and choose the military structure. that's not decided by the president of the united states. >> sure, but he can decide how much input he wants. the important thing here is we're going to take a different tack. what we're doing isn't working. it's not working in terms of security. the middle east is an absolute mess. nation building has been disaster. that was started primarily by george bush. nation building has been a disaster. bigger disaster. libya, syria, he's taking a real look at this and saying we have to have a restrained foreign policy, let's be careful about regime change, if at all. we have to smash isis and we have to ask the generals, whom he does respect, to give us the plan how we do that and quickly.
>> one more thing an hour ago. e he talked about hillary clinton and the e-mails again. he tweeted earlier today saying hillary clinton answered e-mail questions differently last night than she has in the past. she's totally confused, unfit to serve. what specifically is he referencing when he says she's answering things different ly. he said it again in cleveland that she's giving different answers about her e-mails. >> her story has certainly changed all along. the biggest answer is her saying she turned over everything when we know in point of fact she did not. >> what last night did she say different than before? >> i would have to review the transcript. i think the larger point here is they were destroying personal devices in the state department with a hammer. is this good fellows or the state department? you're doing something wrong when you have to smash your ipads and your old smart phones with a hammer. you're doing something wrong when the fbi director says you were extraordinary careless.
the president says that donald trump is unfit to command. i think hillary clinton has made herself unqualified for those actions to be commander-in-chief. >> steve cortez, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. let's get reaction to the forum from the democratic side. i want to bring in congressman emanuel cleaver of missouri. let's start where we left off. hillary clinton is in your home state of missouri later today. we'll talk about that in a moment. if we can, i want to get your reaction to last night as well. here's the clip that's getting attention on the clinton side. it is her talking about iraq last night. >> they are not going to get ground troops. we are not putting ground troops into iraq ever again. we're not putting ground troops into syria. we're going to defeat isis without committing american ground troops. >> congressman, clinton was clear she's not putting them in there ever.
politicians tend to avoid words like never and ever because you can get caught up later if you suddenly have to go against your word. did e she box herself in last night? >> you shouldn't use the word never in politics or marriage. but let me just say for most of us who cringed when we heard that, i was watching this speech live. i knew what she meant, which was we're not going to put any additional troops on the ground. we're not going to have a new batch of u.s. troops going into iraq. i think it was that simple. it was one of those deals where she misspoke. she didn't commit a gaffe like the president of the united states can listen to one bunch of generals and ignore another group. presidents have nothing to do with who becomes generals. >> you just heard steve cortez's defense on that.
he can listen to who he he wants to listen to. >> i'd like to see a president who ignores the joint chiefs. there is such a thing in government. and decide to go and find some generals some place. maybe the washington generals. my frustration is this campaign is a fact free campaign. you can just make up things. we're talking about last night made a mistake. i'm not going to come in and do as the gentleman who just proceeded me and make up something. she made a mistake. but make no mistake about this. there was only one knowledgeable person on that ship last night. it was hillary clinton. >> let e me ask you about an article in the "new york times" this week talking about some
young black voters, millennials who are are skeptical of your candidate. many democrats are expressing alarm at the lack of enthusiasm and in some cases outright resistance some feel toward mrs. clinton. first, would you concede that's an issue you're having in the campaign? and two, how do you fix it? >> i will concede that there is a lack of excitement at the level that we need to defeat donald trump among many of the millennials. those who follow senator sanders in the primary. and we are in the process now of trying to create a level of enthusiasm that will bring them along. it's an issue that we're facing. but, you know, when people say that donald trump is trying to build a bridge to the african-american community, please understand it is a bridge to nowhere.
and it's not going to happen. it's not like the millennials are considering donald trump. they are saying we are not excited about hillary clinton. on election day, we're not going to have a significant number of millennials or any other voting for donald trump whose skin color is black because we don't think there's such thing as partial bigotry. so any time i see somebody putting down one group of individuals, i include myself. so do many other people and also whites of good will also think that's a horrible place to go. it's not going well. the dallas morning news, the dallas morning news, i have born there. the dallas morning news for the first time in 75 years is not endorsing a republican. that tells you how terrible this candidate is doing in this race. i am embarrassed, as many
americans, that we are dummying down the presidency. >> hillary clinton is in missouri later today at the national baptist convention. you talked to your constituents every day. what do they need to hear from her? >> well, i think they need to hear that they can trust her to make decisions about their lives that will be well thought out, that will also contain the input from other knowledgeable sources, her cabinet and so forth. they can trust her not to start a a war because they don't like her hair. we need somebody solid in the oval office. i think that's what she's going to do. particularly in the midwest erin area. keep in mind, a poll showed there's a 1-point advantage in the state of missouri. we have a chance now to win missouri. if. we're able to get the millennials out, we win missouri.
>> clinton surgate emanuel cleaver,hank you for being with us. thank you for making us smile today. appreciate it. >> good to be with you. while president obama is in asia, vice president joe biden was an capitol hill today as well standing with fellow congressional democrats. their message for republicans, do your job. kelly o'donnell is there at the capitol. today's press event all about unfinished business. what are they talking about? >> well, the vice president is a familiar figure here on capitol hill having spent decades. he likes to come back and likes to tout the relationships that e he has. not only with democrats, but talking about the good working relationship he has with mitch mcconnell, the leader of the senate, a republican and house speaker paul ryan. saying good things about the ability to work with them. why is that important? biden was here to hammer home some of the top priorities.
funding for the zika virus. that has been hung up in back and forth battles over the type of legislation where some other unrelated matters were added on. democrats in the senate have block ed that after r78s have passed it on the house side. it deals with funding for planned parenthood. democrats are saying those are poison pills, riders that are intended to doom the legislation. republicans say they will find another way to add it on. so the idea that zika virus funding won't happen is not something that you hear, but how will it happen. today the vice president was urging lawmakers to get this done. >> the health of the country at large is at stake. i have been here a long time. i don't remember when there's a national emergency. we haven't said we'll deal with that emergency. now unless my republican friends think this is not a national emergency, which i haven't heard them make that argument, that's
a different story. >> and the vice president was also here to urge democrats to try to get the idea of merit garland to the supreme court to get that name back in the news to put political pressure. he was here today visiting with the top democrat on the senate judiciary committee. but republicans again made it clear today they will not take a vote. they will not hold hearings to consider his nomination to the supreme court. they want to let the election play out. so the vice president was seeing friends here today but also bringing some of the top priorities to the capital to rouse democrats, who also many of them have elections in november as well. >> kelly o'donnell up on capitol hill, thank you so much. up next as we mentioned, hillary clinton made a big promise last night vowing to never again put ground troops in iraq or send any into syria.
did she go too far? and not quite the moment libertarian candidate gary johnson was hoping would go viral when he answered this question about the central city in the syrian refugee crisis on "morning joe" today. >> what would you do if you were elected about aleppo? >> about aleppo? what is aleppo? >> you're kidding. >> no. >> it was only yesterday when mitt romney tweeted calling for johnson and bill well to be included in the debates. i wonder what romney thinks now. ♪ at northrop grumma our microchips are getting so small and fast... they're taking on far bigger roles. completely transforming the world we live in. enabling entirely new kinds of technologies. and helping keep this country safe, all thanks to our full breadth of capabilities. because to us, a microchip's impact should be anything but micro. that's the value of performance.
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>> ouch, that was hillary clinton this morning joking about a major uh-oh moment for libertarian candidate gary johnson. i'm joined by michael crowley, senior foreign affairs correspondent for lit koe. just to refresh everybody's memory. let's play the long version of the sound byte from "morning joe" this morning. this was the exchange with gary johnson. >> what would you do if you were elected about aleppo? >> and what is aleppo? >> you're kidding. >> no. >> aleppo is in syria. it's the epicenter of the refugee crisis. >> okay, got it. well with regard to syria, i do think that it's a mess. the only way that we deal with syria is to join hands with russia to diplomatly bring that
to an end. >> i used to cover governor johnson in local news. he's owned this mistake and sent me a text saying it's how we deal with failure that determines success. i'll start with you. it's an ouch moment when you watch it. >> what i can't ever believe is how people can run for president and walk into it so unprepared. i'm sure he's a a great guy u and probably a good governor, but to run for president you need to really prepare. donald trump as well. he seems to feel that he could be off the cough. he's admitted he doesn't prepare very much and goes with his gut. running for president is hard work. you have to know a lot about the world. and that oops moment struck me that gary johnson needs to prep a a luittle harder. >> he's not a guy that relies on briefing books, from what i know about him. he likes to be off the cuff. >> yeah, his appeal is that he's kind of unconventional, free
wheeling. at his best he's charming and unpredictable. but the bizarre thing to me is you would almost have to be trying not to know what aleppo was if you were someone in public life. think a about that photograph of the boy in the ambulance who had been pulled from the rubble that went viral a couple weeks ago. it was everywhere. that was in aleppo. i could go on and on. so what is the guy doing? he must be spending all his time looking at poll numbers. am i going to be taking off. but it just confirms a sense i have i think that people have that he's not ready for prime time. a a third party candidate like that isn't serious about foreign policy and has interesting ideas about things like legal marijuana, legalizing drugs. but just isn't to be trusted on serious national security matters to command our military. >> i will just point out. it was kind of brought up autoof the blue. they hadn't been talking about syria.
butly leave it at that. let me ask about the tarmac this morning and hillary clinton -- i meant to say press conference this morning. she was asked about this moment last night where she says we're not putting ground troops in iraq ever again. did she box herself in a little bit there? >> yeah, i bet she would say that differently if she could. it's kind of a fundamental rule of national security that you rule out basically nothing. look at president obama recently was convinced by people around him not to promise not to use nuclear weapons in a first strike. it's really hard to imagine why we would do that, but it's like you keep the option on the table because you never know what's going to happen. the world is a wild place. what if there's a massive security breakdown in baghdad, the american embassy is under
threat and e we had to send forces. you think about contingencies like that. you can't rule it out. i u think she probably wishes she hadn't said it that way, but the underlying point is she wants to send a clear message she's not going to be an interventionist. donald trump is trying to get to her left on interventions in saying hillary clinton is a warmongerer and wants to get into these costly wars. she's trying to send a message that i'm not. >> humans of new york, a a popular blog big on instagram. the founder was on yesterday with me. today they put up a a post about hillary clinton. a a picture of her and this is a block they tell people's stories. it's something unique. this one is about a story from law school and her entrance exam and being heckled by the men in the room. she says she learned to control her emotions. i don't view myself as cold or unmoelgs and neither do my friends or family. but if that sometimes is the perception i create, then i can't blame people for thinking that. it's such an interesting little
prism into her thinking. >> she's going after an audience that is following humans of new york, a large audience, but not necessarily watching tv news or reading mainstream news organizations. she's also trying to make things a little more personal about herself. we're hearing that. in this stage of the campaign, it's not all going to be about trump. it's going to be about hillary clinton and why she's the right person for the job of becoming president. and she's talking about obviously being a woman and being treated in a unique way because she's a woman candidate. she's not making a huge, huge connection there with that humans of new york, but she's making an implicit connection that she's still facing some of these jeers trying to go into this big job. >> we'll post a link to that in case people want to see it. after the break, we are fact checking donald trump and his claims at last night's commander-in-chief forum. can he really fire our military generals and replace them with officers of his choosing. you're watching msnbc, the place
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if you are going to convene a panel of judges and you say you know more about those generals. >> i'm looking at the generals. >> that was donald trump last night during a commander-in-chief forum suggesting that he would fire or e replace current military generals if he becomes president. earlier today trump campaign senior adviser had this exchange with my u colleague craig melvin about trump's suggestion. >> if he believes the director of national intelligence is not the individual that -- >> not what he said last night. >> i'm not talking about that specific position. if you pick any position in the military complex, you can remove as the president the person that's leading that part of the department.
>> we are going to break all this down. you heard that explanation from boris that you can remove certain people. just give us a a fact check for any president. can you come in and clean sweep the generals? >> it would be very difficult to do a clean sweep. you can relieve a general in command. you remember those comments mccrystal made in the rolling stone article. it was some of his aids. president obama decided he would relieve that person of his command. he kept his four stars and that's a crucial distinction. you stay in the military, but lose your command. there's a two-year appointment for joint chiefs. if you did decide to clean house, you'd have to go back to the senate and make sure your people got through. the process on this is very long. >> practically speaking, you can't really clean house. you can make a few select choices. >> you can shuffle the deck. another general relieved was mcarthur. they don't go away.
they just fade away. >> let me ask you about the reaction that we're getting to last night. because we had this commander-in-chief forum. you're hearing from republicans as well as democrats. >> michael hayden, he's been described by people inside and outside of the pentagon as one of the most conservative men in washington. michael hayden says this is purely not possible. you would have intelligence officials that would betray their own personal views by body language. these are trained intelligence officials briefing a candidate. they are certainly not going to betray anything through their body language. the idea that could happen is a strawman that hayden is saying that trump is creating and one that's difficult to disprove. >> you're talking about the moment last night where trump suggests in his private intelligence briefing he could read their body language and see they were unhappy talking about some of the policy positions that have been taken. >> what officials are saying is that's not possible. they were getting a good read
out of what happened that trump received. his general was actually quite aggressive. this is according to people familiar with the matter. had to be pulled back. governor chris christie had to pull flynn back and say, let's tone it down a bit because of the aggressive tone. that's the kind of readout we're getting from that briefing. the idea that somehow trump can read someone's body language wouldn't happen. that's fairly clear. >> nice to see you in person. thank you for being here. appreciate it. up next, hillary clinton on the offensive, the democratic candidate unleashing on donald trump questioning his patriotism to be commander-in-chief. >> it was a test is and he failed it. see donald trump and know he should not be anywhere near the white house. he is temperamentally unfit to be president and comma commander-in-chief. >> as far as mr. trump, i think i have offered my opinion. i don't think the guy is
qualified to be president of the united states. and every time he speaks that opinion is confirmed. and i think the most important thing for the public and the press is to just listen to what he says and follow up and ask questions about what appear to be either contradictory or uninformed or outright backy ideas. >> we gave you extra sound there from president obama as well. we will be right back after a quick break.
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>> we're having a a technical difficulty. this event in charlotte today focused quite a bit on what we talked about last night. but also focused on something specific to hear in north carolina, which is voting rights. it's something that's been a really galvanizing issue, especially for african-american voters, which with polls so close here could really make the difference for hillary clinton here in this battleground state. but clinton's team really wa wanting to continue that conversation about national security in the wake of the forum last night. while the forum was in some ways difficult for her, they do feel like this is a good spot for her to be in. they feel like it's a winning issue. they are setting her up to tomorrow to meet with a bipartisan group of national security experts that includes david petraeus and other major names from both sides of the aisle. they think that will potentially set her up to talk even more a about this. she focused in particular today
at this event on vladimir putin and what donald trump had to say about putin at the forum last night. take a look. >> even i was shocked by this. i didn't know much could shock me coming out of his mouth anymore. he praised russia's strong man vladimir putin, even taking the astonishing step of suggesting he prefers the russian president to our american president. that is not just unpatriotic, it's not just insulting to the office and the man who holds the office, it is scary, it is dangerous. >> even as she's focusing on that on the stump, she's also working on making herself a little more accessible, talking a little bit about her own struggles with opening up to people is and seen somebody who
is warm and aloof. she did a podcast for her campaign talking about those issues. she's talked to the press. every one of the tee tloo days she's been flying her new campaign plane. >> kasie hunt in north carolina. up next, donald trump meets with educators and delivers his plan for schools if he's elected president. this as he pulls ahead of hillary clinton in the latest polling out of the tar heel state. we've just been hearing so much abouhow you're a digital company, yet here you are building a jet engine. well, ge is digital and instrial. like peanut butter and jelly.
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spend on education. >> just about that. it's a big chunk of money. the question becomes one of how will you get everybody to agree to dial in on this. it's very interesting because this is an appealing appealing parents whose children are in some schools which are not serving them well. so it is an attempt to reach out to african-american voters. it would resonate with people if you could get it past. one thing that is interesting, not mentioned in the plan, is what do you do with children who have learning differents. that exists for many children in schools and african-american communities. thousands of children who have individual education plans and some charter schools and schools that accept vouchers, there's concern that many of those schools are not accepting these children with these learning differents. so what would happen for those children? >> where do they go? >> emma, let me ask about the department offedcation. my understanding is that donald trump wants to dismantle the departments. how does he execute these kind
of programs? >> right. well it's been -- he hasn't provided a lot of detail about what he wants to do with the department of education and whether he would dismantle it or simply drastically slash its funding. and he didn't say today where this $20 billion would come from for this new block grant program he is proposing. it is up in the air. >> a lot of it is state by state, right, emma? state and local governments that contribute most of the budget. >> right. about 90% of funding. so trump said would he use the bully pulpit of the presidency to try to persuade states to use the federal money for the voucher program you were discussing. >> a liberal program says trump's plan could cause there are 490,000 educators to lose their jobs and students to lose $1.3 trillion in loans. that's their counter point here. do we know how the plan that we've heard from trump would
really affect teachers and schools? >> no, we don't. and as it was pointing out, that's one of the difficulties with making an announcement like this because it comes with very few details. in fact, i didn't hear any details at all to your point about where the money would come from, how it is appropriated, states asked to dial into this. and even with charter schools right now, money appropriated for charter schools, it comes out of traditional public school budget. there is a question about what would happen to the children left in traditional schools, unless and some criticize and concern that this is another effort to dismantle traditional public schools as we now know them. >> thanks to you both. appreciate it so much. after the break, i'll be joined by cal perry who watched last night's commander-in-chief forum with a gold star family. who impressed them more? hillary clinton or donald trump?
one of the things that, when i think about in terms of legacy, and i think reflect back on my presidency as it comes to an end, is the degree to which i came in respecting and honor willing our men and women in uniform, i leave here even more in awe of what they do. >> america's current commander-in-chief praising the united states military in laos. we heard from the 2016 candidates who want to take his place. >> i think under the leadership of barack obama and hillary clinton, the generals have been reduced to rubble. they have been reduced to a point where it's embarrassing for our country. >> we are not putting ground troops into iraq ever again and we're not putting ground troops into syria. we're going to defeat isis without committing american
ground troops. >> msnbc's cal perry watched that forum with a gold star family. he joins us from their hometown, knoxville, illinois. cal, tells about the reactio in the room. >> reporter: yeah, you know, that soundbite from hillary clinton about not putting ground troops in iraq is not a big hit here. there are currently 5,000 troops in iraq. that was not lost on the family we sat with. we sat with caleb lufkin's family. he ended up dying three weeks after an accident at walter reed hospital. we took the opportunity to sit with his mom, marcy, and two members of his unit, watching the forum, to get their thoughts and overwhelmingingly their thoughts were on veterans affairs and specifically suicide. let's hear what marcy today say first, then you will hear from a soldier in his unit, matt ferrari, take a listen. >> on may 4, 2006, how tragic
that was, and from that one event, three took their lives. three of them. if only we could have reached out to them. if only we could have reached out to them. if only they had help to handle this. >> i've been trying to get in touch with people, and basically leaving voice mails for three and a half weeks. in my local area there, i'm not ready to go to a home health care store, get what i need and have the v.a. sent the bill. still haven't got my reception. so i don't know where to turn or what to do. >> you know, ten years is a long time unless you served in -- unless you have family or friends who died, then you fight it everyday. that's what veterans here talk
about. they talk about the suicide numbers. they talk about access to good health care. we should remind everybody, 4500 troops die in the war in iraq and 45,000 wounded that doesn't include people who need the psychological care from either the head injuries or ptsd. so access to veterans care, access to v.a. hospitals, improving v.a. hospitals and specifically for caleb's mother, this issue of suicide, three of caleb's, as they call it, battle buddies, having committed suicide in the last years is very difficult for families like this, kate. >> a big issue for my family, too. and at least last night gets it all talking about it. thank you, cal perry. i'm off for now. you can catch me tomorrow at 6:30 p.m. eastern. steve kornacki picks things up from here. >> i'm steve kornacki live in new york. 61 days and counting now, to election day. topping the agenda, before he
was against it, donald trump trying to explain how co-have been against the iraq war when he made comments supportive of it before the invasion. >> i would have been tougher on terrorism, bin laden would have been caught a long time ago. >> trump taking his campaign to the battle ground state of ohio today. but on the defensive, on iraq, and over several other controversial things he said at that forum, here on msnbc last night. and hillary clinton meanwhile, seeing political opportunity in those trump comments. >> every republican holding or seeking office in this country, should be asked if they agree with donald trump about these statements. >> clinton saying she has no sympathy for republicans who support trump. meanwhile, the top republin in washington back from vacation and in no mood to talk about his party's candidate for president.