tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC September 8, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
seismic event, indications are this is not a match ral earthquake, this is a nuclear test. if confirmed, it will be the fifth nuclear test in total, it will set off a whole new round of international incriminations and worries. if this is a new one, this is going to be very big news in the next few days. good evening, lawrence. >> north korea, perhaps, presenting another challenge to the next commander in chief. >> thank you, rachel. there are surely some things that the president of the united states has to do that donald trump could actually do. i mean, he could sign his name to bills that pass the congress and i'm sure he could veto bills. it's not clear what else he would actually know how to do as president of the united states. but what he proved last night, proved beyond a reasonable doubt, proved on a decommissioned aircraft carrier,
which is the closest he has ever been to military experience, what it proved there is that he absolutely could not assume the duties of being commander in chief of the armed forces of the united states of america. >> last night was yet another test and donald trump failed. >> she's got to get her act together. >> i don't think the guy is qualified to be president of the united states. >> the generals have been reduced to rubble. >> every time he speaks, that opinion is confirmed. >> he praised russian's strong man. >> republicans are just in a terrible delima trying to support totally unqualified nominee. >> i'm not going to be the election commenting on all these little things. >> i have no sympathy for them. >> this is not your father's republican party.
>> what would ronald reagan say about a republican nominee who attacks american's generals and he's praised on russian's president. >> somehow the behavior at normal times we would consider completely normalized, people start thinking that we should be grading on a curve. it should never be forgotten that donald trump launched his political career with a lie. a lie about president obama. >> there's a real question about the birth certificate. there's a real question about the -- his own citizenship. >> that was a double lie. he lied about president obama being born outside the united states. and then he went on to tell more lies. he lied about sending people to hawaii to investigate them.
donald trump never sent anyone to hawaii because he knew there was nothing to investigate. no matter how many times donald trump was asked about what his investigators found in hawaii, he never ever answered that question. >> i have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding it. >> you have people now -- >> absolutely. >> in hawaii? >> absolutely. and they cannot believe what they're finding. >> that's it. that's the most that the pathological liar ever said. they cannot believe what they're finding. donald trump knows how not to answer a question, as he just showed you, for five years now he's refused to say a word about what his mythical detectives found in hawaii. and now that he's a presidential candidate, he refuses to say anything any more about president obama's birth. >> you don't talk about the birth certificate any more. do you regret even bringing it up.
>> i don't talk about it any more. >> do you regret bringing it up back then? >> i told you, i don't talk about it any more. >> that was friday. don't talk about it any more. last night where the president -- matt lower asked donald trump about the only thing that's happened to donald trump in his 70 years on his earth that in any way resembles even a moment of the work of the commander in chief. >> you recently received two intelligence briefings. >> yes, i did. >> those two intelligence briefings are the only things that have ever occurred in donald trump's life that resemble what happens in the workday of a president. and what you just heard is all donald trump should have said publicly about those intelligence briefings.
he should have said something to the effect, that yes i received those briefings but i'm not going to comment in any way on anything that was discussed in those briefings. he knows how not to comment, just ask him about the birth certificate these days and see what happens. he should have just shut matt off right there, but matt wasn't finished and donald trump foolishly followed where matt led him. now, there are two things that can happen at a commander in chief forum. you can demonstrate that you're fit for the role of commander in chief, or you can demonstrate that you are unfit. and so matt, without angrily beating the candidate. in effect got the republican nominee to admit what to points have been saying about him, to plead guilty as charged by president obama and hillary clinton and the republican never trump movement and the long list of former republican foreign policy and defense officials who
have accused donald trump of being unfit to be commander in chief. donald trump didn't even struggle here. he just confessed. he just confessed that he can't be trusted with intelligence briefings, he cannot perform the role of commander in chief. >> did anything in that briefing, without going into specifics, shock or alarm you? >> yes very much so. >> did you learn new things. >> first of all i have great respect for the people that gave us the briefings. they were terrible people. they were experts on different -- iraq, iran, russia. yes, there was one thing that shocked me and it just seems to me that what they said, president obama and hillary clinton and john kerry, who was another total disaster, did exactly the opposite. >> did you learn anything in that briefing, again, not going to specifics makes you reconsider some of the things
you say you can handle? >> no. i did not learn anything from that standpoint. what i learned our leadership, barack obama, did not follow and our experts and when they call it intelligence, what our experts said to do. >> how? >> and i was very, very surprised in every instance. i have pretty good body language, i could tell they were not happy. our leaders did not follow what they were recommending. >> as many of you saw last night at this hour, my first reaction to what donald trump said that he had crossed the line. but i'm not an intelligence professional. he's the only person to have served as the head of the cia and nsa. he said "i did intelligence off and on for almost four decades and i have never seen anything like this before, a political candidate has used professional intelligence officers briefing him in a totally not political setting to props to but tresz an
argument and his political campaign and actually his political point was imputed to them. the i can read body language line was quite remarkable and there by mr. trump created an alleged fact that was useful for him in the moment. i am confident director clapper sent senior professionals to this meeting and so i am equal -- michael, a former acting director was in charge of the daily briefings of the president during george w. bush's administration he said this today. this is the first time i can remember a candidate for president doing a read out from an intelligence briefing, and it's the first time a candidate has politicized their intelligence briefing, both of those are highly inappropriate and crossed a long-standing red line, respected by both parties.
to me, this is just the most resent example that under scores that this guy is unfit to be commander in chief. brief press conference this morning, hillary clinton said this. >> i think what he said was totally inappropriate and undisciplined. i would never comment on any aspect of an intelligence briefing that i receive. >> and today, president obama kept it simple on the other side of the pacific ocean in laos when he was asked about donald trump. >> i don't think the guy is qualified to be president of the united states, and every time he speaks, that opinion is confirmed. >> joining us now, howard dean, former governor of vermont. he's also msnbc political analyyt. senior editor from the atlantic. howard dean, the forum was
about, are you ready to be commander in chief? what i got on donald trump was a clear and convincing verdict that he is not. >> i think that's true. and i think that's widely shared. michael haden is a pretty conservative hard-line guy who served republican presidents. for him to say what he said is pretty stunning. but it's true. i actually think donald trump is just a crack pot, at this point. he's a guy, he's very entertaining. he says outrageous things. the media loves him because he drives the ratings up. he's a crack pot and he really has no business in this race at all. >> let's listen to michael flynn, he was in those security briefings with donald trump. let's listen to his reaction to what donald trump said last night. >> the intelligence that we receive received in the last two briefings were in stark contrast to what the policy decisions --
>> that's you coming up with that deduction, in the briefing did they look and say and look at him or this and this. >> they would say -- intelligence professionals, as they should, those are policy decisions, so donald trump, in a very very sophisticated way was asking tough questions and they would back off and say that is not our job, those are policy decisions, in this case, the white house is making. we would sit there and go, okay, we understand. >> david, from -- what did mike flynn just said, i'm not sure i understand it. >> he's saying that they asked questions that were not at all to the purpose of of an intelligence briefing and they said those questions are not to the purpose of the briefing, going to the dentist and raising questions about the heart. the dentist is going to say, i do teeth. what is so dismaying, from the point of view of a republican and conservative, rachel maddow ended the last hour with reports of possible fifth north korean
tests, big news today, looks like there are multiple cash payments to the iranians by the obama administration at the time of the release of release of detainees. american troops are there and it gets more grim. there's a shooting war. we're -- there's a shooting war going on on the continent. the first great power shooting war since 1945. this administration is leaving behind a chaotic foreign policy situation. and the out party making the most of it. the idea instead of pointing to area after area of failure and being able to say this president with vladimir putin with strength, instead we're sending him bouquets of flower, as if to say we talk about his ferocity and cruelty. those are not things to admire.
>> just to clarify, you mean the flowers that donald trump has sent to vladimir putin. >> yes, the metaphorical flower. >> i don't agree with you. but i want to stay on this briefing for a moment. nbc news has a report of what actually happened in the trump briefings, and it is as crazy as you could possibly imagine. says a u.s. official pointed out the intelligence officers don't give policy advice, so it would be inaccurate to say that obama failed to follow the advice, second u.s. official says analysts are not to allow their body train and the report goes on to say this about what actually happened in the meeting. it said one of the advisers trump brought to the briefing, retired general mike flynn, whom we just saw, repeatedly interrupted the briefing with pointed questions, two sources
said chris christie the new jersey governor and trump adviser verbally restrained christy, the other reporting he said calm down. two other sources said chris christie touched his arm in an effort to get him to calm down and let the officials continue. and howard dean, eventually, chris christie and general flynn both denied that version of events today. but that's very strong reporting from nbc news about what was actually going on inside the briefing room. >> well, i don't think mike flynn is probably playing with a full deck either. i'm going to look into that i know some people who served with him. i'm not going to share on msnbc or anyplace else. you know, i have e norm mouse respect for the military in this country. their achievements have been extraordinary. they've served us really well. and these are adult thoughtful people who are careful about what they do and say.
they have opinions, of course, but they're really professionals and i -- flynn, i guess, i don't know him, but it's something wrong with him and i've got to figure it out. i don't know how he served. i would like to know under what conditions he had to lead the service. unfortunately that's not something i'm going to share with viewers when i do. >> let's listen to something donald trump said last night. he's said repeatedly in the iraq invasion, of course we should have gone in there to take the oil from iraq. let's listen to this. >> if you really look at the aftermath of iraq, iran is going to be taking over iraq, they've been doing it and it's not a pretty picture. and i think you know because you've been watching me, i think, for a long time, i've always said, you shouldn't be there, if we're going to be out, take the oil. if we would have taken the oil, you wouldn't have isis. because isis forum with the
power and wealth of that oil. >> how are we going to take the oil. >> we would leave a certain group behind and you would take various sections where they have the oil. >> david, from the field american of the american, field manual, before start of world war ii said that pillaging is absolutely forbidden. the 2015 law defense war of man yule -- manual says the same thing. seizing property is absolutely prohibited. that point donald trump has no idea that that's what's there. but he doesn't comprehend the strategic issue involve, either. >> the oil -- look, these are chickens or sheep that you're taking. these aren't peoples' pots and pans. what is involved -- he said he's giving us an idea what he means by this. what he's talking about is
united states will take a large territory of ground and have to patrol the perimeter and within that make the massive infrastructure that it takes to produce this commodity. you don't put a straw in the ground. it's an information -- you put billions of dollars of u.s. taxpayer, investment into iraq while patrolling that with tens of thousands of troops, i mean, why not just buy it. why not just buy it. that would be cheaper. >> he said you would leave a certain group behind, not even identifying what that would be, total -- >> isis is on the rampage. they're taking shots at these oil and there are multi billion dollars investment. you have to have perimeter and fencing. at that point you minus well say, i'm talking from canada, canada would be delighted. the price is kind of low right now. they can go ahead as much as can take away.
>> we've got a break coming up, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up. the republican nominee for president, republican nominee for president, thinks the undemocratically position dictator in effect, in russia, is doing a better job of governing and more responsible job of governing than the democratically elected president of the united states. coming up, two seasoned professionals will join us real pros talking about what's happening in the swing states and what it means that the donald trump policy staff has completely quit the campaign because the campaign refuses to pay them, how is that going to help going into the debates? we thought fibers that help you stay regular caused unwanted gas.
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at last night's commander in chief forum, donald trump was hit with knock out punches that would have wiped out any previous presidential candidate, but there are different rules for donald trump this year as president obama said today, voters are grading donald trump on a curve, that's next. i asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush wa
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you, you said it's always a great honor to be complimented by a man so highly respected in his country and ynd. >> he has an 82% approval rating, some of them were based right here. >> he's also a guy who annexed crimea, invaded ukraine, supports iran. he's trying to under mine our influence in key regions of the world and according to our intelligence community, probably is the main suspect for the hacking of the dnc computers. >> nobody knows that for a fact. >> nobody knows that for a fact, which one don't we know for a fact, invaded ukraine, supports assad in syria. he throws all of those things at donald trump, something that other interviewer has ever done. donald trump doesn't say one word about any of those actions of vladimir putin, not one word.
>> you think that day you become president of the united states he's going to change his mind on some of these key issues? >> possibly. it's possible. i don't know, matt. if he's going to say great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. >> that's the rule. if he says great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. hitler should have been so lucky. lindsey graham said his attitude towards putin reminds him reminds him of the way some people awarded adoll f hitler. >> i think this is the biggest calculation since people thought hitler was a good guy. >> he's the author of the new book "the making of donald trump" tom nicholas, professor of national security affairs at the u.s. naval war college and senior contributor to the federalist.
tom nicholls this is the commander in chief test last night, on my grading card, donald trump flunked pretty much every category of commander in chief, what did you see? >> representing my own opinion, i agree and i don't think he flunked, i think he crashed and burned spectacularly. i think we've gotten use to how appalling his statements are. by donald trump's low standards, last night was really a series of shockers that i think were remarkable, again, even by the denatured standards of the debate around donald trump. >> and, david, this is one of the problems is that, i mean, that he came up with in response to what donald trump said about putin, i think i would have come up with one or two of them, i'm not sure i would have done it like that. donald trump draws a complete blank at every single thing matt identifies for him that vladimir
putin has done. he makes no comment on any one of them. >> well, because he doesn't know anything, first of all. but i have to tell you, lawrence, i was struck by the similarity of donald's response to this to what you read in tapes of mob guys who have been recorded and conversations i've had with low-level mob guys where you bring up the top boss's name, oh, he's great, great, great, leader. there's something going on here with putin that should disturb us greatly, we got a hint of it when he indicated he would purge the generals to put in generals -- presumably do what donald trump counts first and foremost, loyalty, personal loyalty to donald is the driving force of his business. and given all the money he's gotten from the russians, the tax fraud he's alleged to have involved russian, the money that
they have spent, that he's boasted about. all of this suggest there's a deeper we don't fully know about relationship between donald trump and the people around vladimir putin. >> bill o'reilly, a actually -- donald trump actually lost bill o'reilly on the putin thing. let's listen to what o'reilly said about it tonight. >> all right. if elected president trump will make russia an ally, especially against the fight against isis. that strategy is not wrong. but praising putin is. let the tyrant earn friendly descriptions by doing something positive. >> tom nicholls, at least bill o'reilly seems to understand that putin had power that he's not subject to the same democratic checks and balances that the founding father has given us here.
>> it was astonishing. as a conservative i've spent a lot of years criticizing president obama's foreign policy, but everybody bill o'reilly, you, me, david, everyone understands, you don't compare president of the united states to a russian dictator. it's one of many red lines that trump can't seem to help himself from crossing. part of the problem, you mentioned this with matt's interview, he shifts into sounding like a child. if he talks nice about me i'll talk about him. that's not a strategy for russia, it's a strategy for second grade. you find yourself dealing with someone who has this kind of simplistic view of the world as it only relates to him. i'm sure that putin is finwith that. putin understands that flattery and vanity. he's an intelligence officer, he
understands that people can be manipulated by that. it's clear that trump has bought into that and maybe that he's admires putin so much, he's one of the last people in the world that admires donald trump. >> that will have to be the last word on trump and putin tonight. but i'm sure it won't be donald trump's last word. thank you both for joining us, really appreciate it. >> thank you. up next in the war room, real veterans, both veterans of the mccain and obama war rooms of 2008. they'll talk about last night's forum and what it tells us to expect in the debates. energy is a complex challenge. people want power. and power plants account for more than a third of energy-related carbon emissions. the challenge is to capture the emissions before they're released into the atmosphere. exxonmobil is a leader in carbon capture.
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time for tonight's campaign "war room" the trump war room's battleground map is getting smaller, according to "politico." interviews with more than two dozen republican operatives state party officials and republican leaders suggest colorado -- boy that didn't come up right in the teleprompter. colorado, new hampshire and virginia are tilted so heavily that they're close to unwinnable for the gop presidential nominee. the polling averages in those three states show hillary clinton up eight points, five points in colorado, hillary clinton up 8.3 points in new hampshire and hillary clinton up 6 points in virginia.
the campaign war rooms will also be studying a new morning consult poll of all 50 states. it shows she'll win 332 electoral votes if the election were held tonight with 60 days left for the presidential campaign war room, joining us in the last word, mike murphy, republican strategist and host of pod cast radio gtv. mike, let's just go straight to state of the race as you see it tonight. >> it is inched a little closer in the polling, but the polling lags the reality of what's happening in every news cycle and trump's having a terrible news cycle. in a normal campaign there was plenty for hillary clinton to be on the defense about. she was parsing, she has issues on record that are good meat for the campaign. the problem is trump got up there and bar stool philosopher. half of the time he was making
insane generalizations with no insight at all on political strategy. so trump is in a bad moment now, you'll see that in next's polling. the polling is always a good idea of what was going on seven or eight days ago. >> steve, to that point, democrats and people of the clinton war room watched donald trump get up on that stage and watched matt knock him out repeatedly and, i mean, moments that -- as i said before in this, any other candidate in any other year, that would have been the moment everybody pointed to and said, it's all over, it's all over. and, yet, trump has had dozens and dozens of those moments and he had them last night. is there an analysis in the clinton war room when they look at the polls and they see trump doesn't fall because of moments like this.
is there something that explains that to them and something that tells them what they have to do to try to pick up votes from these trump supporters? >> you know, i think there's this idea that, you know, he's an unprecedented candidate who can get away with just about anything, at the same time, he's got grave difficulty getting over 40% in most any poll. you know, obviously, you've got to get higher than that if you're going to take these states and win the presidency. but i think, you know, what hillary needs to look at, too, her own numbers, how did she become a little more likable, trusting. and how does she knock him down? i think she's got to use, you know, other people's credibility to her -- to her effort. she needs to, you know, recite
these 121 republican national security experts who have said donald trump would be reckless for this country and should not be elected president. those are the kind of things that she needs. instead of just making statements. she needs to use other people's credibility to justify what she's saying. and i think that's going to take her a long way. >> so, mike, it sounds like steve believes there's a republican voter out there who doesn't want to vote for donald trump. also, doesn't want to vote for hiary clinton.
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trump has never acknowledged the policy shop based in washington that has been doing huge amounts of grant work for months without recognition or compensation. one of the people who quit told the washington post "it's a complete disaster. they use and abuse people, the policy office fell apart in august when the promised checks weren't delivered." back with us mike murphy and steve. steve, you know, it works better when you actually pay the campaign staffers that you hire.
>> you don't want to lose the smartest people on the campaign. you need those policy experts. donald trump is so loose with the facts and so shallow in his knowledge of issues, these are the people he really needs by his side. you know, he was asked last night over and over and over again what is your plan for x, what is your plan for y? he couldn't answer one of those questions. that's not what we need in an american president. >> so, mike, your couple of weeks away from the debates. your policy staff quits, all walk out the door when it's time to do debate prep, you just saw your candidate be challenged about vladimir putin in ways donald trump didn't understand. he needs a serious briefing on vladimir putin alone for the first debate and they've got nobody. >> my guess is they've ran out of the building.
it's not a campaign, he doesn't have serious heavy people around him. you know, i'm not surprised that we have one of these banana republic developments where a bunch of people weren't paid and walked out. the fundamentalal problem with trump is trump. he doesn't know what he doesn't know and he doesn't know a lot. he wants a microphone and crowd or television camera. i don't think there will be any serious prep. there will be a couple of questions and few of the yemen throw questions at him. we know who trump is now. what hillary would try i guess to do in the debate and trump will go on the raving attack because hillary will be ahead and have something to lose. the question is how does she handle that mad man show, if she's too passive, she'll look too weak, if she froths at the mouth like trump.
she's not somebody the electorals are wild about. it's going to be a zoo it's going to be the craziest debate i think any of us have seen in the politics. >> hillary has the capacity, from that forum last night, as well as previous statements, she's got the capacity right now to go on the defensive in the biggest way possible and to unleash all the potential surrogates, the president, the vice president, republicans to go out and say, donald trump is un-american. he's cozying up to a russian dictator, at the same time trashing an american president, american military and all of its commanders. i think she's got the capacity right now to go and bury this
and make that next debate a real hell hole for him to ever get out of. >> that's an interesting point, elizabeth warren is going out with hillary clinton tomorrow. what can others on the campaign trail do to help set up the debate? >> well, it's not in my nature to want to give advice or help to hillary clinton, i'm not voting for her, i'm just not voting for trump. i'm going to write in somebody else. i do think a surrogate attack wave is a very good idea and there are a lot of surrogates in the democratic party who can do that, it will drive him crazy and we know he watches cable all day and reacts to it. >> trump is a useful idiot. and putin uses the term for lies like trump.
anything that feeds trump's bad instincts on some of this, will politically help her. >> mike murphy and steve, really great to have you here tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks, mike. coming up boston globe did an exclusive interview lenny, did that interview, who will join us next.
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>> the whole country saw unfit she was at the town hall last night. >> what would ronald reagan say about a republican nominee who attacks america's generals and heaps praise on russia's president. >> hillary clinton created a lot of the problem and now she's saying how she's going to take this back. she doesn't have a clue. not even a little clue. [ laughter ] >> i love you, andrea, you're my kind of a woman, i'll tell you what. >> i will be the greatest jobs producing president that god ever created. >> everything is a game. it's like he's living in his own celebrity reality tv program. do you think he would be a good candidate in june. >> absolutely not, i'm very firm on that. >> we are facing a candidate with a long history of racial discrimination in his business. >> if he doesn't even respect all americans, how can he serve
all americans? >> she'll be saying, what a wonderful job she's going to do. she'll get your vote and then she'll say see you in four years. she might even say see you in four years suckers. >> if i were not the candidate or nominee, if i were just a concerned citizen, i would be out here doing everything i could to sound the alarm about someone like donald trump getting anywhere near the white house. i'm glad you called. (announcero) all yo phones can work togeer on one number. you can move calls between phones, so conversations can go where you go. take your time. i'm not going anywhere. (announcer vo) and when you're not available, one talk helps find the right person who is. hi, john. (announcer vo) so wherever work takes you, you can put your customers first. introducing one talk-- another way verizon connects your business better. learn how at onetalk.com.
tomorrow on philadelphia, elizabeth warren will hold first campaign conviction. annie, what is the warren plan for the rest of the presidential campaign? >> look, she's out there tomorrow and she's going to do it, she's excited about it. she's going to be campaigning for elizabeth warren and for katie who is running in pennsylvania for senate.
she was so excited and i've never seen her do this before, she started snapping. so, you know, she likes the idea of being out there for two strong women. >> and she has been incredibly sharp on twitter and elsewhere about donald trump. are we going to expect that tomorrow, specifically, on attack lines from elizabeth warren? >> i think a single democrat is excited to have the best trump sinker possible. i think she's got some prepared. you can tell from her twingle in her eye. trump is a galvanizing force for people like warren on this election. she's going to go as far as she can. >> in a way, i mean, trump is everything that was wrong with america that polled elizabeth warren into politics, to get her into the zone where she could fix these things. >> i think it helps unify the party. i think there are reservations with clinton.
you can see her under in clinton white house playing antagonistic role, but at this point, i think she's so clear on who the better choice is, that she you really do see her real enthusiasm of getting out and campaigning. >> and how does this play for her in massachusetts. >> great question. i think, you know, that's why she sat down at the globe today. i think she's going off of -- she's having a real change, a real different moment for her, for the last two-and-a-half -- or last two years, really, she's been a national figure where we've been wondering will she run for president and will she be the vice president. now she's pivoting to being a massachusetts senator and digging into some of the issues she's known for and where she got that sort of national platform from in the first place. >> thank you very much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, what president obama said about the protest at standing rock, he's
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something that we have worked very hard on. now, some of these issues are caught up with laws and treaties and -- and so i can't give you details on this particular case. i'll have to go back to my staff and find out how are we doing on this one. >> president obama has actually visited that reservation, so when he gets back to the white house tomorrow, his staff should have some good information on where the situation stands now. continues our live coverage. he'll check in with some of the road warriors "the 11th hour with brian williams is next.