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good morning and welcome to "am joy." donald trump is having trouble giving the slip to a new scandal develop from a very old story. we told you about it way back in june. >> in september of 2013, the "orlando sentinel" reported to
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decide whether florida should join a multi-state investigation against trump university. but then bondi received a check for $25,000 from a trump family foundation. this week the associated press is saying the money arrived after bondi personally solicited trump for that pucontribution a after that check came in, bondi dropped the investigation. >> bondi did receive a contribution, which is illegal under campaign finance laws. but instead of disclosing the contribution, the trump
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foundation claimed it had given money to a different nonprofit with a similar name, a kansas-based group called justice for all without the "and." in march after the watch dog group citizens for responsibilities and ethics in washington filed a complaint about the donation to the irs, the trump campaign called the contribution mixup a mistake. but the story returned last week when "the washington post" reported that donald trump had to pay the irs a $2,500 penalty for violating the law. this week the story took on the whiff of full-blown scandal when trump said this. >> what were you hoping to get out of this donation? >> i've just known pam bondi for years, i have a lot of respect for her. i never spoke to her about that at all. >> trump's statement raised questions about what he said
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contradicted a bondi adviser who told the press that bondi personally solicited him him for the person. the campaign walked it back saying that trump was referring to the trump university issue. thank you all for being here. let start with you, dan. thank you for coming on the show. i read the post that you did. i believe it was this week where you talked about the appearances of the bondi exchange, let's say, of donations to her pac for dropping the investigation, whatever the facts of it are. i want to first play you what pam bondi actually had said about whether or not she solicited a contribution from donald trump. take a look. >> of course i asked donald trump for a contribution. that's not what this was about. she was saying he was under investigation by my office at the time and i knew about it,
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none of which is true. >> so what do you know about this, dan, about whether or not the office that pam bondi was looking into trump university at the time that she solicited the contribution? >> let's be very clear. in august, new york attorney general eric snyderman -- the attorney general sued trump university, which had a huge presence in new york and florida. in september of that year there's an announcement that they're sort of reviewing it and three days later, a $25,000 check comes in. so pam's defense that i didn't know it was there, you know, that's all well and good but at the end of the day, a prosecutor isn't like a legislative politician. you can direct the full force of the government at somebody, you can protect people, punish people. the idea that she would make that decision with this $25,000 check in her pocket raises so many issues and so many concerns and honestly what shocked me was if what she says is true, then
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she should have given back the money immediately, she should have returned check. she should have said it looks horrible, i'm not going to do it and she didn't do that. >> i'll point out there is a boston-based lawyer, j. whitfie whitfield larrabee, discussed he's filed a suit in new york and florida. is this a litigatable case, alleging this could be bribery? >> the theft of honor services is typically the statute that federal prosecutors that do corruption cases go under, it would be directed to trump and bondi. was trump giving that money in order to get some kind of official action? it's no defense that it was a frivolous suit that trump is saying. i don't know whether the private citizen can invoke that kind of
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investigation but i agree with the "tampa bay times" editorial board this week, which called for a federal investigation of this. rarely does a prosecutor get a sequence of events that are so clear. literally days after there's an announcement that the thing is being reviewed, a $25,000 check appears, even if bondi didn't know, certainly donald trump knew and the idea he would try to encourage an action based on that money, that's corrupt. and given what he has said earlier and repeatedly, i pay politicians to get things done and to get what i want, he uses much saltier language than i just did, it sort of suggests that it's not hard to close the loop on the facts in this case. >> and to just the point that you made, let play donald trump saying what you said using saltier language.
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>> i've given to everybody because that was my job. i got to give to them because when i want something, i get it. when i call, they kiss my ass, okay? it's true. >> and there's also a federal complaint with the irs about these transactions. can you explain that complaint a little bit? >> we've actually filed a series of complaints. our most recent complaint is based on the idea that donald trump appears to have used his charitable foundation, the donald trump foundation, which actually gave the money to pam bondi to do certainsomething tot him, in an apparent attempt to influence her to not go after his business interests. you're not allowed to use a charitable foundation in that way, and we've asked the irs to investigate that.
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we've also asked them now as we did in march to investigate the fact that the trump foundation appears to have lied about this contribution in its tax returns. the trump foundation said in its tax returns it hadn't given any political contributions and it lists the contribution as going to a totally different organization, one with a similar name, a kansas nonprofit, which would have been a legal recipient of this money in a way that pam bondi's political organization was not. >> you have a pattern here. you have donald j. trump giving about $100,000 to citizens united, which happened to be in litigation with the new york attorney general, you have ivanka trump giving a $500 donation, you have this party co-hosted by rudy giuliani, a fund-raising party at mar-a-lago. do you think donald trump can
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somehow skirt it or get away from it? >> i don't. i'll be very candid with you, joy, i mean, this reads like a scene out of some sort of mafia movie where don core leone is pulling the springs but it donald trump. what i find the most galling is the chutzpah of the trump campaign who makes the case over and over again against the seeming impropriety of the clintons with the pay for play where there is seemingly nothing going on. you start to put the pieces together. if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it pay for play done by donald duck trump here. it's clear to me there's a double standard applying when it comes to how they judge the
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campaign. >> how is this playing out? you're at the "tampa bay times," how is this playing out both for the donald trump campaign and for pam bonde in terms of the way it's being reported in the media in florida? >> it getting a lot of play in florida. anybody's consumed with anything that happens with donald trump. i think it a lead story in the local news, it all overly the papers. pam bondi has pacically gone into hiding and won't talk to the press, unless it's fox news. >> and is there a way to draw an influence that essentially donald trump began to fund the republican party of florida and his friend pam bondi at the same time or is he a long-time donor to the party? >> he's not a long-time donor to the party. he's given to the party. but he's a big donor to rick
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scott, our current governor. that's when he started spending a lot of money. this came up in the primary because jeb bush had zero interest in expanding gambling in florida so trump had given up on him. this was prepresidential campaign, doing something with rick post. >> months after the trump's foundation to the pro--bondi pac, drpd held a $3,000 per plate fund-raiser for pam bonde at mar-a-lago. tell bus that fund-raiser, peter. >> hi, joy. how are you today? >> wonderful, thank you. thanks for joining us. the fund-raiser you attended for pam bondi, tell us what went on there? >> i was at that fund-raiser, that's correct. but i think you're focusing on a fly on the wall when there is a
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900 pound gorilla in the room. and that's the clinton foundation. the same individual are lobbying the state department. >> actually, peter, that story, what you just said is actually not accurate -- hold on a second, peter. i asked you about a fund-raiser that you attended and you pivoted to talking point about the clinton foundation which aren't even accurate. i'm going to ask you about the event you attended. you're the one person at this virtual table who can tell us about that fund-raiser. i'm going to give you one more opportunity to do so. >> i was there. i've been to hundreds of fund-raisers. rudy giuliani spoke. he was tremendous as usual. pam bondi is a rock star down in florida. >> does it trouble you -- >> it was very well attended because she's so popular. >> does it trouble you the
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donations were both shaded in terms of putting the wrong foundation names and that it was given by the trump foundation, not by trump himself and it came at a time when she decided not to -- >> okay, your talking point are pristine, sir. i think you've done what you came to do as a surrogate. let me go to my other guests who can sort of explain that. dan gelber, why don't you explain here what is at stake in terms of this specific donation to pam bondi from the trump foundation. >> well, the problem is that, you know, a prosecutor can make a decision about whether somebody is punished, whether people are protected and i don't know a prosecutor, i literally don't know a prosecutor who would think that taking money
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while you're making that decision, even if it's a decision to do nothing, because that's a decision, would think that would be appropriate or consistent with any democratic principle. prosecutors, this is what they do. i'm married to a prosecutor, i was a prosecutor, my family members are prosecutors. that's my world. and to a person it's an offensive concept to implicate money with that decision. and when you think about all those people who attended trump university who feel they were ripped off, what do they think when they know that the person who is supposed to vindicate their interests is actually taking a huge check from the person they think ripped them off? >> we do see the trump surrogates come armed with a talking point they want to pivot to the clinton foundation. is there any symmetry --
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>> until this alleged corruption and malfeasance campaign ends in a smoking gun, like we now have clearly in this pay for play smoking gun, that's the bondigate situation between trump and pam bondi, i don't think so. i think it more allegations throwing stuff against the wall hoping that it sticks. in this case, this ended in terms of being allegation and became real when you played the clip of pam bondi saying, yeah, i solicited the money. >> thank you to my guests. appreciate you guys. up next. when it comes to media coverage, are all campaigns created equal? stay with us. on stuff you bought from that airline? let me show you something better. the capital one venture card. with venture, you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase... not just...(dismissively) airline purchases. every purchase. everywhere. every day.
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newspapers are leading a shift to a brand new emerging narrative, that not all campaign scandals are created equal. there were the "new york times" and "miami herald" urging a closer look at the pay for play accusation swirling around the trump campaign. saying maybe we've looked a little too long and there's not very much to see. i want to bring in the economic adviser for the donald trump campaign and kurt eichenwald. kurt, have you seen this new thinking among some at least of the editorial pages in the media, but there has been from paul waldman who for a long time has been saying this and he writes for "the week," and he writes about what has felt like a fixation on hillary clinton. he said that the "new york times" has not on been particularly aggressive in highlighting these stories, it's prone to presenting exculpatory
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material as indicative of some deeper problem. they make the point that it was the times that really launched the early whitewater investigations, not that long after their rival paper, "the washington post," had broken watergate, that there might be some chase to do the same thing. what do you make of the way that the hillary clinton e-mail and foundation stories have been covered versus the way the pam bondi story has been covered? >> i think they've been dramatically oversimplified. one of the things that happened for me is whether this story first broke, i started writing about it myself. i've written a book on national security. i know about classified systems. i know about the systems that are used in the state department. and a lot of what i was writing was please let me explain this to, you know, other members of the press who clearly do not understand how she's systems
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works, that there are two e-mails systems. if they don't know what a sciff is, they don't know what they're talking about. my boss said the other day, gee, everything you said a year ago the press is catching on to. it not that i'm smart, it that i happen to know what i'm talking about because this is a field i have covered. so the problem we have i think in political coverage is people jumping from topic to topic with this sounds bad to me standard. and, you know, really people need to take a breath, figure out how things work, figure out what's real rather than just say raises questions or casts a shadow or one of those other weasel words that so many people in the press use to cover up the fact that they don't know anything. >> david, we just had a guest on who attended the pam bondi
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fund-raiser in florida, i asked him about it and his first impulse was to go right to the foundation and try to draw an equivalency with the clinton foundation. the a.p. did an extensive investigation and found no evidence of pay for play. while you are a supporter of donald trump, don't you think that that has become to facile to try to make this equivalency when we just had james comby write an internal memo saying at the end of the day the case regarding hillary clinton's e-mails was not even a cliff hanger. exactly one person has been prosecuted under the statute at issue and this person was essentially a spy. >> i'm interesting trouble seeing how you're seeing equivalency in these. in the pam bondi case there was a $25,000 donation in 2013 that was made to the same name. it was a mistaken direction.
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and it was self-reported by the donator. >> no, it was brought out because crew filed a complaint. >> i don't know that that's right at all. >> it is right. >> and yet the clinton foundation, what we're talking about is hundreds of millions of dollars -- >> that's all publicly searchable in their open database. >> it's clearly pay to play. >> sir, sir, sir -- >> i was a senior state department official -- >> you can't say it's a fact when it was not. >> i can't conceive how that was being run and -- >> sure you can. it was set up for money. >> that is provably false. you just made an allegation that is provably false. you do not have any evidence of that. you made a statement that is good for your campaign. sir -- sir -- no. >> there were meetings by the state department -- >> you don't have evidence of that. that's what you want to be true. that is actually just not true. you can't just assert things
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that you want to be true and that aren't. kurt eichenwald, please help us here. >> several points. number one, i've been coming on tv for years to talk about these kinds of things and every time i'm on with a trump surrogate, they just get on and lie. they say what they want to be true, they say what they think is true, they say what they're telling each other is true. less talk about what happened at the clinton foundation. number one, it is not a pay for play. the whole issue of pay is that you get something out of it. >> giant donations. >> in other words, did i get money for my campaign? did i get money for my pocket? not you gave money that went to support the health of someone in africa. you went gave money that went to the global health initiative. these are not things in which hillary clinton is getting a financial benefit. now, a trump surrogate went on the air and lied and said that, well, only 10% of the clinton
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foundation money went to programs. so hi i had to waste my time go through all the filings and the audited filings showed that more than 90% went to helping people worldwide. the clintons got no money from the clinton foundation. bill and chelsea clinton are both on the board, are paid nothing. both of the board is paid nothing. and so you stand back and whenever people say, well, someone gave to the foundation, my response is so what? what is the actual benefit to hillary clinton that someone gives money to a charitable foundation that then turns around and doesn't tell her about it, you know, unless she's digging through their irs filings, doesn't tell her about
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it. the money goes to help poor -- >> he's filibustering. >> no, he's not. >> let me finish one point. and then they can't prove anybody got any benefit they wouldn't have otherwise gotten. one of the things i find amazing is they bring up the fact she met with a nobel prize winning individual who has been an enormous political influence in bangladesh and, oh, she met with him as secretary of state. well, no kidding. that's what secretaries of state do. >> i'm going to give you a chance to answer that specific question. the clintons don't get paid from the clinton foundation. if someone like donald trump gives $100,000 to the clinton foundation that then goes to buy aids drugs in africa. that's a benefit to the recipients in africa.
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what the a.p. made of it was that maybe huma abedin would call them back. the associated press went through and did this investigation and they found 84 meetings out of 1,700 meetings that they saturday the secretary of state had with people who were donors. they could find zero of those meetings that came after a solicitation for a donation. read the a.p. story that has been pilloried because they attempted to find pay for play and found nothing. they reported she met with a knnobel prize laureate. huma abedin e-mailing you back is not you getting something. >> we're going to end thing is
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ment -- segment. >> the clinton campaign could have handled this very differently by having the e-mails come out much earlier. >> what does that have to do with the clinton foundation? >> they're bring out information. >> you're conflating, sir. >> they're also trying to get her to have a news conference. >> now you're conflating press conferences and the foundation. >> this is like the demolition derby of scandals. >> now that wasn't even a press conference. 8:00 long. >> sir that, is a press conference. that's what press conferences do. kurt, i'm sorry, i don't even know what else to say. we'll be back. republicans are jumping to criticize hillary clinton regarding comments she made at a
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you can put half of trump's supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. the racists, sexists, homopho c homophobi homophobics, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it. unfortunately there are people like that and he has lifted them up. now some of those folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not america. >> hillary clinton's comments friday night at a fund-raiser by barbra streisand are drawing criticism. this morning, donald trump said "wow, hillary clinton was so
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called a basket of deplorables. ladies, so this is being taken the way that you would expect, right? i'll start with you, tara, this was a terrible gaffe, you attack the candidate, you don't attack, the people, the voters. what do you make of it and so far the way it's being reacted to? >> how it's being reacted to is exactly the way we expected it to be reacted to. the sad irony of this situation is that first and foremost hillary clinton voters have been attacked, democratic voters have been attacked, mitt romney the 47% comment was an attack on democratic voters as being takers, as being people who don't contribute to this economy. trump has attacked african-american voters by saying our communities are awful, savage communities, basically walking dead is what he's portrayed our communities at, which attacks hard working african-americans who work very hard and contribute to this country just like everyone else. so the notion that she's the
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first person to say something about someone's voters is not true. second point is that the comments that she's made are based on polling, data. people have said trump supporters are pluralities, people are more violent, less educated, stereotypes about muslims, stereotypes about mexicans. we all know his comments about mexicans. i think she was pointing out and she did so articulately, this is just an opportunity for them to try to attack her. she pointed out that most of the peep, the other half of the people she said are people who are struggling. >> i think, sarah, we've had obviously the candidate that you normally supported has been on the receiving end of some interesting trump attacks. he's also called his voters uneducated. we just put up the full screen of a poll released in june from reuters that showed more than half of trump supporters describe african-americans as
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more violent than whites, and more lazy than whites. what do you make of the comments and are we now poised to have a really actually important discussion about what is driving the support for donald trump? >> i thisnk that hillary clinto here did make a mistake. the question will be in 2016 does that mistake matter anymore? we've seen over and over again mistakes haven't mattered to donald trump and hillary clinton in particular. in 2012 when mitt romney made the 40% remark, roeporters stayd on it for months or more. i have a feeling that reporters may move on from this in a day or two. it may not affect hillary clinton at all. i think what she's done is to gen up trump's base. i don't think she helped
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herselvhersel herself. it's hard to say you want to be president for all americans when you -- >> the alt-right, that's not all of donald trump supporters, but he does have steve bannon who has turned, who was already attacking people, he turned that into a bastion of the alt-right, which are essentially white nationalists. white nationalists are opening claiming trump's campaign. david duke says these are our people. do we still have to treat the alt-right people as pristine voters or is it all right to say there's something wrong with that? >> i think it's perfectly fine to expose what we have seen and what we can document. we can document and it has been documented that they're saying
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things like hang that bit-i-t-b. they're they're -- these are people saying deplorable things, are saying they want a right to say the deplorable things. when i was growing up, we had a saying if you can dish it, you ought to be able to take it. these are people who say awful things about minorities, people of color, women. they want the right to say what they want and now they're up in arms? >> i was shocked by some of the t-shirts people were willing to wear that did have the b word on, the c word on, things about monica versus hillary clinton, i won't repeat that, it was incredibly vulgar. people are selling them on buttons, putting them on their bodies. we do have reporting from
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reporters at those events -- one of our reporters was spat on at an event. i'm wondering if in a way if there are some republican voters who are not associated with that, the economic voters, the middle class voters, who are upset by the association around the trump campaign. >> i do think there are trump votes are who are uncomfortable trump voters. that being said and this is something i think democrats have a really hard time with and that progressive liberals have an extremely hard time with and the clinton campaign hasn't been able to handle it. most americans do not trust hillary clinton. they think she's corrupt. when you have a campaign like hillary's, which has really struggled to found a consistent message, struggled to find its voice and has seen evasemed eva defensive, not taking questions from reporters until this week, it's tough and then she starts
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this new line of tone, messaging, attacking half of donald trump's voters, it doesn't build that trustworthiness because itauthe sounds like it was focus grouped and poll tested. i don't think she's going to win over any voters. >> i actually asked you about trump voters. you're very good at that. that was a pivot. i'm just going to end on this. i think the reality is, tara, for democrats is that we're going to talk a little bit more about this media narrative but let's be honest, the way hillary clinton has been covered over the last year has put into the minds of people -- it's coming from the "new york times" they're constantly being told she's evasive, she's corrupt, there's something about the clinton foundation. she still has been covered that way for a year. i hear liberals saying exactly what sarah just said and people believe it. there are studies showing young african-american voters are not
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as excited because they believe that narrative. whether or not that narrative is accurate, if you fact check her and fact check trump, it's not even close who is dishonest. but the fact that the people perceive it that way, doesn't that mean that hillary clinton is in a box no matter what the actual facts are, this is how she's covered. >> she's been subjected to a double standard like nothing i've ever seen. maybe with the exception of president obama, who was also subjected to an extreme double standard. but hillary clinton has weathered -- this has been not just now. she's been subjected to a double standard since she was first lady, since she was in arkansas. so that is part of why people have a trust issue is because they've been told over and over again not to trust her. and i do think that this moment actually to me she was being fairly authentic. she said to the audience "am i right?"
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>> he said that the american people don't care about his tax returns. in fact, he's also said that it's none of our business.
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i just think he's dead wrong. i mean, the reason that presidential candidates going back decades have released their tax returns is because the american people want to know. he clearly has something to hide. >> pressure is mounting on donald trump to release his tax returns. even his running mate, mike pence, released his on friday. hillary clinton is not the only one suspicious for why donald trump is not releasing his returns. only 24% believe his claims he's withholding his returns because highs being audited. ku kurt, let start with whether an ongoing audit with stop donald trump for releasing his returns? >> no, it isn't. i'll give him credit for this, there's an argument to be made if he releases the full return,
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what will happen is the press will pick through it and they might find something that is an error and that will signal to the irs something think might not have otherwise found, which is a pretty weak argument but that is the audit argument. the problem with it is that there are pages that can be released from his tax filings that would not affect an audit, no one could look at it and say, oh, we found things that the irs didn't, these are the first two pages of the 1040 and what's called the schedule a. that would tell you the money he's making, his marginal income tax rate, his charitable contributions, a lot of information that people -- that the american people do have a right to know. now, the other reality is that, you know, trump is refusing to release the taxes from 2002 to 2008, which have been audited. the audits have been closed.
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if trump engaged in tax fraud in 2008, the statute of limitations has run out. there is no reason not to release them. he says this thing of "it's a rolling audit," which doesn't make any sense. so he's essentially lying about the 2002 to 2008. there are documents he can release that will not affect an audit in any way, shape or form all the way up to this year and the argument he's making on the audits is a weak argument to begin with. >> and you actually were quite definitive in the piece that you wrote. you said donald trump's excuse for not releasing his tax returns is completely bogus. there's a monmouth poll out we quoted a little from. people were asked how important do you think it is that candidates release their tabs returns? 62% said important, 38 said not important.
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if we can't get the full detail, whether or not he's in debt to russian banks, which would be of interest to reporters but the income, the charity donation, why is that important to know? >> when this man talks about the burden of taxes, it's important to know does he have one, number one. number two, when he talks about how charitable he is. is he? this is a man bragging about the amount of money he is but then when people go and try to find it, they can't find it, except in the bondi campaign. and so, you know, in the end these are some of the questions. yes, it would be great to have the whole thing. my point is, reporters should be pressing him for those three pages simply to point out that he's lying, that there is information he can release that won't affect an irs audit. and if he refuses to release the three pages say why.
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now, the trump campaign, i asked them, they say, oh, audit. i sent them a copy of the irs rules on audits and said these do not relate to that issue. these are -- nobody can figure out what may have been done improperly from the list of -- nobody can tell if it's a good book from the list of chapters in the front. and so, you know, i said show me where this these rules what you're saying is correct. i never heard back from them. but the point is pushing him for the three pages, if the press doesn't get it, if the public doesn't get to see it, then he's lying about his motivation for not showing everything. >> i think that is a very good case for journalists continuing to ask, just ask for the three pages. if they push back and say audit, the three pages they can release and there's no problem with it. kurt eichenwald, glad to have
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i'm pretty good with the body language, i could tell, they were not happy. our leaders did not follow -- >> do you want to be complimented by that kgb officer? >> i think when they call me brilliant, i'm take the compliment. hillary clinton said the vets are being treated just fine. he took everybody out and really isis was formed. there aren't high officials to even greet him. it's the first time in the storied history of air force i. >> good morning. welcome back to "a.m. joy." donald trump was in rare form with the contradictions, himself tore call revisions and outright lies flying fast and furious,
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especially when it cam to national security. trump made some false claims that the washington correspondent compiled an impressive list. there was a moment when trump said the generals had been reduced to rubble, when he said the government should set up a court system within the military, not knowing there is one, google jag corps, blaming military rapes on female soldiers serving with the men and said putin has been more of a leader than president obama. the list goes on and on and on and on, all the way to the lie he repeated yet again thursday, the provably false claim that he was totally against the iraq war from the beginning. >> the howard statement was long before and it was the first time anybody ever asked me about iraq. i said, i don't know. i said the war's a mess on television somewhere. despite the media saying no, yes, no, yes, i oppose going in. frankly, nobody really cared too
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much about what i said. i'm doing business. i don't even know why i was asked the question. >> and here's trump on howard stearn in 2002 before the start of the iraq war. >> are you for invading iraq? >> yeah, i guess so. i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> and joining me now the executive director of the terror asymmetric project. to go back to the beginning of the montage that we played with donald trump. as a former member of the intelligence community, would intelligence people ever wink, wink, nod, nod to signal hostage style to a presidential candidate they were unhappy with a commander in chief? >> absolutely not. that is one thing that does not occur. the intelligence briefers that
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give these level of briefers are the single best briefers in the united states. they will go up there, they'll whip out their power point stack and they will go up and say, "good morning," hit the points they need to hit, hit the button on the power point slide. they'll say are there any questions? thank you. that is it. no wink, wink, nod, nod, nudge, nudge, with intelligence briefers. >> it was an interesting contrast when you see mike pence come out and say i can't talk about the details of this briefing, i thought it was a very good briefing, et cetera. he was very benign, which is what you normally hear presidential candidate does. why would trump essentially true to leak what happened in the briefing and try to get it on? >> oh, come on, joy. >> come on? s and my question. >> hillary clinton in 2008 -- >> that's not true. first of all -- >> hold on a second. >> you hold on. boris, i'm going to let you answer. boris, we're not going to cross
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talk. one of us is going to talk at a time. when it's a.m. boris, can you talk whatever you want. >> i answered the question you posed to he. >> i'm going to propose a syllogism. it's not perfect for people who studied philosophy. if i ask you a question about donald trump and you give me an answer about hillary clinton, i think it's fair for the people who are watching this show tho come to the conclusion that, either, a, you don't know the answer to my question, b, the answer to my question would not help your candidate so don't want to give it or, c, you're not here to answer my question. now i'm going ask you the question again. why would donald trump leak what turns out to be specious information from the information he was given by -- >> what information did he leak? >> he claims he heard the advisers say that he don't like and he read their body language -- >> my producers, can we rerack what donald trump said about the briefing that he had?
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we're going to get some time. i'm going to move on with you and stay with you for just a second. given all of the questions that have been raised not just by democrats but by republicans -- wait, we do have that sound. let's play that sound. >> let's do it. >> i could tell, i'm pretty good with the body language, i could tell they were not happy. our leaders did not follow what they were recommending. >> does he want to be -- >> why would donald trump do what? >> why would he say that he read their body language? that's what he did. he's being honest about it. he was not in the briefings, malcolm. donald trump was. you have to take his word for it. >> malcolm? >> i've given high level briefings to high-level commanders. the briefers themselves do not make recommendations. they don't say anything other than answering the questions
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they ask. the people getting the information are the consumers of intelligence. we are the producers of intelligence. we may interpret it but it will go through a very long chain before it -- >> excuse me, we're not cross talking. >> with all due respect, i don't have to be in the room because i've done it before. >> boris, don't make my cut my mic. >> you can shut my mic if you want. >> maybe he's talking about general flynn being the person in the room who is former d.i. anc a. director but i'll stand for the honor of the briefers. they didn't say anything. >> we're moving on to the next topic. let's talk about donald trump going on russian state television, boris. given all of the questions raised -- >> russian state television? >> "russia today." >> it's not russian television. >> it's russian funded television. >> let's have malcolm explain what russia today is.
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>> it's a russian-funded, state propaganda arm, an extension of the old soviet television system. there is no free television in russia anymore. >> you're saying it's a russia-owned television. >> larry king is now broadcasting his show on a show that likes his viewpoint. so when you go on larry king's show and that little "rt" is sitting in the corner, that stands for russia today and it means you are on a state -- just as if you were would be on china today or north korea today. >> that is incorrect. >> when you go on that channel, you're talking for the russians. >> that's incorrect. the russians doesn't control what he says. he said that yesterday in a live interview. >> we're going to answer the question as i ask it. back to you, boris. given all the questions raised between paul manafort essentially acting as an agent of russia and working for the trump campaign, changing the platform of the republicans national committee on crimea and
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nato to be more in favor of putin and all the putin love that donald has shown that has raised love in your party, why would he go on russian television? >> 90% of republicans are behind donald trump. the party is coalescing. it's not raising alarms in our party. as larry king said himself, no one in russia controls what he says and that was a show that's broadcast partly on rt but also a dozen other channels all offer the world. it was a favor for an old friend, they've known each other f for decades. rt is only one of the outlets that show is broadcast on. >> that's actually not the reporting. if they didn't have a problem with the perception of it, then why did the trump campaign essentially attempt to lie to the press and say they were only on larry king's podcast? why wouldn't they admit they were on russian television? >> he was not live on tv, so whether it was a podcast or interview, one in the same.
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if you played the clip of larry, he expressly stated that show is broadcast over a lot of different networks all over the world. >> but specifically on russian state. >> let's player larry king, who was responding to the idea from his friend donald trump who attempted to shade the fact they were on russian television. >> my wife and i do a podcast once a week and he guested on that about six months ago. in the interim i've talked to him on occasion, i said you got to do my tv show. he said i'm working on it. finally it was out of my hand and my producers worked with donald trump's people. i don't know what trump knew. he couldn't have known it was the podcast because he was just on my podcast. >> do you think the american voters really care about whether he was on a recorded interview or a podcast? let's talk about the issues
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actually facing the voters. let's talk about national security. let's talk about the deal we just entered into with russia, completely contrary that hillary clinton had been saying. remember my syllogism earlier. >> well, when become a surrogate for hillary clinton, then we can talk. >> you already are. >> good shot. >> i am quite surprised at giving very bad he's getting on what formats to go out on. russia performs an entire operation that is integral to their state and intelligence apparatus called hybrid warfare and political warfare and perception management is managed by the intelligence apparatus and by the kremlin itself. there is nothing that occurs
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within russia that not part of the hybrid warfare perception management campaign opinion when they put something on television, they have a message that they want the world to see. >> so what are you say? >> let me ask you this question. >> they see you, boris, and the trump campaign as an ally, not as an american -- >> you know who else is an ally? >> barack obama money. >> he does not see russia as an ally. >> look at the press conference yesterday. >> let me ask a question. barack obama, who was criticized on russian television by donald trump, who if that's certainly that president obama did, you'd be excoriating him. barack obama has managed to deal with russia without doing this. take a listen. >> i think i would have a very, very good relationship with putin. he's done a very brilliant job in terms of what he represents and who he's representing. if you look at what he's done with syria -- >> if we had a relationship with
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russia, wouldn't it be wonderful if we could work on it together and knock the hell out of isis? >> what do you call a relationship. >> we were both on "60 minutes." we were stable mates. >> he's been a leader far better than our leader. >> he said donald trump is going to be the leader of the party. >> can we show this tweet where they were doing miss usa. >> do you think putin will be attending the miss universe pageant? if so, he will become my new best friend." >> you didn't show donald trump saying he'd absolutely be tough about putin -- >> no, he didn't say that. he said he did care about the nice things.
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>> fdr, j.f.k., bill clinton visited with vladimir putin after he gave a speech for which he was paid $90 million. we have a long list of people, also the clintons being way too cozy with russia. >> are you going to call me a liar? did clinton not make that speech? >> excuse me. we're going to malcolm nance now. you've had presidents going back to ronald reagan, he did say "tear down that wall," but he also managed to do nuclear treaties with russia, then when they were the soviet union, a bigger, badder entity. the question is what is the material difference between a president being able to strike a deal with russia and see them as an adversary and what donald trump is doing? why are people troubled with the tone of donald trump? >> it's the intelligence community, the people that are actually spy catchers, over the last month and a half here, that
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community is tearing their hair out. a president carrying state craft, the art of going out and cutting deals with your adversary, your enemies or getting things done within the international framework of laws is completely different than someone who is is sullying up and currying up favor with an opponent, with a strategic opponent and donald trump is doing that. every word he's been out there is donald trump actually an unwitting asset of the spy master and chief -- >> you know that's not right. i know you're on the show so you have to present the clinton talking points but you know that's not correct. >> excuse me. >> let me rephrase that. the former director of the k.g.b. is the person he has the most admiration for. >> no one can hear two people talking at the same time. you know that two mics with vices coming out of them -- >> if you let me talk, i wouldn't have to interrupt, joy. >> malcolm is talking.
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>> the former director of the k.g.b. is the person he has the most admiration for. i have to wonder whether as we say in the intelligence community there's a dirty tale here, whether this needs to be investigated on a strategic scale. >> that's actually dangerous. what you're doing, malcolm is dangerous. you're accusing a republican candidate for president -- >> before we go because i am out of time, i do want to show this is not something that is only being said on the left, boris. you've had headlines of everything coming out from "the washington post," but often the right, people at red state is turned about it -- >> red state has been an anti-trump web site for a long time. >> but they're still conservatives. you allow them to be conservatives, right? >> of course. the republican party is not concerned. the left is making accusations like malcolm just did. you just accused the republican candidate for president as
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treason. >> that's not true at all. >> you're adding words. >> i said they should be investigated the ties and whether there is an actual intelligence operation -- >> time's up in is a question i think we're going to talk about a lot more. malcolm, i usually appreciate having you on. boris, thank you for being here. >> big news on native americans stopping a pipeline. stay with us. the turbocharged dream machine. the volkswagen golf gti. named one of car and driver's 10best, 10 years in a row. cook healthy meals... yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients
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the obama administration yesterday put a temporary halt on the construction of an oil pipeline in north dakota, one that has been the subject of growing protests by the standing rock siux tribe which says the pipeline will destroy their tribal land and threaten their
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drinking water. hundreds of activists have joined the protest and are arriving every day. the shocking video shows private security guards for the pipeline company using dogs and pepper spray on protesters who stormed the construction site. the souix are also fighting the pipeline in court. on friday a court rejected the tribe's request to block the pipeline. but the justice department stepped in and ordered a temporary halt to construction on land controlled by the army corps of engineers. they said "this case has highlighted the need for a serious discussion on whether there should be nationwide reform with respect to considering tribes' views on these type of infrastructure projects." the government is also asking the pipeline owner to voluntarily pause construction on nearby land. energy transfer has so far declined to comment. let's bring in the director of
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the advocacy group bold nebraska and on the phone is david archambault, ii. give me your opinion, david, on the government's decision to stop this project. >> we anyway aknew all along th deck was stabbed again deck was stacked against us but we had to do something. we were on pins and needles waiting to hear the judge's ruling and when the ruling came out, our hearts sank. but then the department of army released a statement said they would stop construction and not allow the pipeline to go under our water, everybody was elated about the whole thing.
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it was good news. but i knew that it's not the end. we still have a lot of work to do and we're continuing to move forward but there's a good feeling and we feel that all the prayers that have gone out are being answered. >> and chairman archambault, have you heard whether they will heed the order to stop building over the part of the pipeline they have control over? >> we have not heard from the pipeline yet. our attorneys have reached out to see where they're from. we're waiting for a response. >> i want to play for you, jane, what president obama had to say about the pipeline protest. this was on thursday when he was in laos and he was asked a question by a college student. >> this issue of preserving
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their way of life is something we have worked very hard on. some of these issues are caught up with laws and treaties and so i can't give you details on this particular case, i'd have to go back to my staff and find out how are we doing on this one. >> jane, let's talk about how they are doing, the fact that it took the federal agencies to come in and stop this, even after dogs were sic'd on protester -- they call themselves protecters, not pro tess -- protesters. how is the federal government doing on striking a balance between these companies and native americans who have already been so depossessed of land? >> when the army corps statement made it clear there is a need for national reform to not only
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protect not only sovereigncy rights, there is national reform needed on eminent domain for private gain. we have big oil corporations essentially ignoring not only the sovereign rights of our native brothers and sisters but ignoring property rights of ranchers. they're essentially all for the export. i'm hoping when secretary clinton becomes president that we actually do have meaningful consultation and meaningful reform. the democratic party platform makes it very clear that we do need to create new energy infrastructure, that's clean energy infrastructure and that folks have to be at the table. for me this a major step forward. on keystone we needed small little openings to open the door for us to eventually get the pipeline fully rejected. this is now that first opening in order to get the dakota access pipeline fully rejected. >> jane, you mentioned eminent domain. a lot of conservatives have a lot of concern about this idea,
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too, that land can be taken from property owners and basically given to big business. can you talk about how eminent domain has been used in these pipeline projects. >> it is mind boggling. in our country right now, a foreign corporation or an american oil corporation can essentially go in without any federal process and say we're going to take your land, american citizen, and put in a pipeline that you may or may not want. and a lot of these land owners don't want these pipelines but their back is up against the wall because the american government system on eminent domain, which used to be for road, transmission lines and schools is now being used for private pipelines. the problem initially is these were private pipelines serving communities, for public purpose. now we're talking about massive pipelines, 32, 46 inch pipelines going to the market. for the republican party to have
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in their platform they stand up for eminent domain but they support every pipeline is pure hypocrisy. >> chairman, i just want to ask you a final question. i feel like i have to ask you this about the people who were bitten by dogs, that were unleashed by this private company, how are those folks doing and have you heard from the sheriff's department about whether anything is going to be done about that? >> you know, that was an unfortunate incident and i blame the company. this company is a bad company that came in and they gave the direction to destroy and desecrate our sacred sites. and with that decision, the confrontation took place where dogs bit peaceful protesters and pepper spray was sprayed on two dozen people. and the problem with this whole thing was the sheriff only took statements from the security
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company. we had people who were physically injured, we had puncture wounds from dog bites, but the sheriff today has yet never asked the question or interviewed the victims that got injured from the camp, from the people protesting. that's unfortunate. and we're still asking if you're going to do a thorough investigation, you got to look at both sides. >> absolutely. we would definitely welcome the sheriff's department to come on this show as well as anyone from energy transfer who would care to come on and talk about this. thank you very much. we really appreciate you. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, joy. >> coming up, trump supporters claim he's no longer a birther. you're not going to like what's coming up next. [monster noises] ♪
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>> two years ago. three years ago. >> he has now accepted that birtherism is nonsense? >> look, hillary clinton's campaign -- >> when did he do that? >> chris, hillary clinton's campaign -- >> he did not do that yet. i am waiting for him to do it. >> go, chris. the republican nominee has never repudiated his claims that president obama was not born in the united states. rudy giuliani said trump gave up those claims years ago but the videotape tells a much different story. we have an abridged history of donald trump's birther. >> are you a birther, donald? >> let me just tell you, i was a really good student at the best school. i'm like a smart guy. they make these birthers in the worst -- why doesn't he show his birth certificate? >> three weeks ago i thought he was born in this country and now i have a much bigger doubt than he does before. he doesn't have a birth
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certificate or he hasn't show it. he has what's shown as a certificate of live birth. a certificate of live birth is not even signed by anybody. >> if the state of hawaii says this is official, he was born in hawaii on this date, here it is, why do you deny that? >> a lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate -- >> how can you say that -- >> you do not report it, wolf, but many people do not think it's authentic. >> donald, you're beginning to sound a little ridiculous. >> no, i think you are, wolf. >> you don't still question if he was born in the united states, do you? >> i have no idea. >> you don't believe him? >> i'd love to believe him. was there a birth certificate? you tell me. >> a few years ago you led the birther movement, you sent investigators out to hawaii to find out whether or not obama, as you said, was not born here. it turned out not to be true. >> according to you it's not
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true. >> he released his birth certificate. >> if you believe that, that's fine. >> i'm asking you now do you recollect accept that president obama was born in the united states? >> i really don't know. >> you don't know. >> i don't know why he wouldn't released his records. honestly, i don't want to get into it. >> do you regret bringing it up? >> i towld you, i don't talk about it anymore. >> do you think your birther position has hurt you among african-americans? >> i don't know. i don't even talk about it anymore, bill. >> when is he going to say that this president is legitimate? this is a fundamental question, mr. mayor. is the president of the united states legitimate or not? do you believe it? if you believe it, why doesn't your candidate state it? >> i believe it, he believes it -- >> why won't he come out and own that position that, yes, president obama was born here, i was wrong to go with the birthers. >> so he believes president obama was born here.
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you've been criticized by the rnc for your demeanor last night, that you were too serious, that you didn't smile enough. can you react to that? also, you suggested that there is a double standard. do you think you're treated differently in this race because you're a woman? >> i'm going to let all of you ponder that last question. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." the chairman of the rnc tweeted the critique of her performance, saying that she had no smile. even if clinton's smile frequency was a valid area for
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rein reince priebus's criticism, he was wrong. turns out hillary clinton smiled about twice as often as donald trump. i'm going to start with you, crystal. you've run for office. so you've been in this game. what do you make of this double, triple standard where you have to both be serious, potentially the next margaret thatcher but you also have to smile and please. >> i mean, it's impossible for any woman, any age, any look, any anything, it's impossible. there's a really simple standard out there for those journalists and analysts and rnc chairmen who want to follow it. all you have to do is ask yourself would i say the same thing about a man? for example, when i ran for congress, one question i got all the time not in a -- people doesn't mean to be mean about it but it was still underlying a sexist question, how are you going to care for your young
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child if you make it to congress? no man has ever been asked this question, just like no man, aka donald trump, has ever been told he didn't smile enough in a forum. there are plenty of legitimate critiques of hillary clinton's performance. how much she smiled was not one of them. >> and meanwhile he was been 100% of the credit that nannies probably raised. you are a woman covering a woman running for president. i've been out on the trail with you, you're fierce out there doing your coverage, but do you ever feel that stories like anthony weiner humiliates huma abedin, how does that affect hillary clinton, something peripheral to her about her appearance, her looks, her clothes, does that sort of noise get in the way of doing the coverage that you want to do? >> in a way i this nk it does, joy. but to agree with what crystal said a moment ago, a lot of the
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questions that surround hillary clinton that have nothing to do with her qualifications for president are things that no man -- no male candidate ever would be asked. i mean, yes, there's been quite a lot of coverage about donald trump's aides, but that's because they were newsworthy. when he hires and fires people, that is a story. when hillary clinton's long-time personal aid gets divorced, you know, moves to get divorced, that is also a news story because she's married to a famous and newsworthy person. it really shouldn't have any bearing on what people think of hillary clinton's qualifications. those things are completely separate. >> i want to go to you on this, sarah. the candidate used the word -- you supported carly fiorina, she
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faced sort of lookism from donald trump. this was on tuesday on abc news talking about hillary clinton and the way she looks. take a look. >> i just don't think she has a presidential look and up neyou a presidential look. you have to get the job done. >> what could that possibly mean? what is the presidential look? >> i think donald trump might be advised to stay away from commenting on how female political candidates look. but that being said, i don't think that hillary clinton does herself any favors by playing the victim card on gender. marco rubio was told to smile more in one of the debates. the idea that men are never told that isn't quite true either. hillary clinton has an issue when it comes to this, it doesn't win over independent voters to cry sexism at every turn. move on from it and make your point. that's certainly that carly fiorina did exceptionally well in the primary actually. >> i want to jump in on that. i agree in a sense that i don't think it helps her for her to be out there crying sexism, even
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when it truly exists and i don't think that she's done that. you played the answer earlier where she said basically you can judge for yourself, moving on. but i think that it's obvious to any woman who has been in the public eye or posted something on twitter that when someone tells you to smile more, honey, not that those were exactly priebus's words but that's what we hear, we know what's behind that. for us to be discussing it is appropriate. i don't think it's helpful as a campaign tactic. >> you had a very interesting tactic by the clinton campaign to go to the hugely popular instagram series. it was kind of revealing. i hadn't heard these anecdotes she talked about before, when she learned to be guarded when she was in law school as a woman. she said "i've learned i can't be quite so passionate in my presentation. i can't yell too much. it comes across as too loud or
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too shrill or too this or too that, which is funny because i'm always convinced that the people in the front row are loving it." >> i've had democrats say she has to stop yelling. these are women. >> that's the unfortunate part of this discussion is that we're still having this discussion. because hillary clinton has to moderate every aspect of her behavior or lest there be some sort of firestorm around that behavior. here's the problem -- the very same people in the media, the pundits who choose to take that attack, they say don't yell, smile more, moderate your behavior, then they say you're being inauthentic. she's expected to walk with a basket on her head on stilts, holding five things in her hands
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while smiling. that's essentially what she's being asked to do. i use that metaphor very specifically for specific reasons. and then after she does that, she's not authentic enough. so i think that it's -- yes, it is probably not helpful for her to call out the sexism because that gets used against her, it's become weaponized to call out legitimate forms of racism, sexism, discrimination are weaponized but we, those of us out here that are fair minded should call it out. >> i think you're right. i think i've talked to more and more women who have become more sympathetic, even if they don't like hillary clinton, when they say the way she's treated. this becomes an issue, is it because she's a woman, because she's a clinton? what's going on here? we've had exhaustive coverage of the clinton foundation, nothing was found but it was fair to look into it. this chart shows the time -- we
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don't exempt ourselves here at msnbc. this is the time spent covering the bondi donation and the clinton foundation. we're talking about three times more coverage in total of the clinton foundation than the bondi story. are we seeing a situation where the media for whatever reason, perceptions of hill ary clinton for whatever reason are not able to focus on donald trump the same way that we focus on her? >> certainly the clinton campaign feels that way. i think my news organization, "the washington post" has done quite a lot with the bondi story but that doesn't sort of -- that doesn't exempt even us from criticism and scrutiny of in general how much time we spend looking at potential questions about donald trump versus time spent looking at potential
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questions about hillary clinton. i think you're right that a large part of this is sort of baked in because she's been a public figure for so long. certainly donald trump has been a public figure for so long but not in the political context and that's different. another thing is things just sort of bounce off donald trump. >> yeah. but i think we have something to do with that. that's one of the things i've been spending a lot of time doing is in the media understanding how much power we have in this situation. i wish we had more time. >> did we smile enough? >> i think you should smile more in our pleasing, professional make-up. coming up at the top of the hour, former michigan governor jennifer granholm gives us behind-the-scenes look at the hillary clinton debate prep. but first there's more "a.m. joy" and we're going to be smiling after break. . i'm in.
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male teacher: excellent. welcome to a brighter future. welcome to it all. comcast. all right, time to find out who won the week and back with me, malcolm, sarah and ann. sarah? >> i'm giving it to lester holt. after the commander in chief forum, all eyes are on him. it will be hugely watched and he's been given more room to run heading into that debate. >> a lot of pressure on him. you could say he won the week or lost the week with all that pressure being the first debate, too. but yes, lester always wins the week because we love him ann? >> i'm going to go with hillary
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clinton. she was out there this week. to questions from the press four times in four days. did a several things i think that helped her make an argument that she is the far more qualified candidate and even though she got into a little bit of hot water last night for saying that some of donald trump's supporters belong in a basket of as she put it, deplorables, i applaud what she was doing there, which is letting the press into a previously closed fund-raiser. >> so distracted by the fabulous person, but really quickly ann, hillary clinton is now doing press conferences. did two this past week. she's allowing press on her plane. it's been a big sticking point for journalists who have been b covering here. do you think that will take the pressure off this relationship that's not good? >> really, it's not all about us. but it, for sure, she had dug herself a hole.
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by get iting the impression tha she wanted to distance herself from the reporters who cover her most closely. i think she went a long way this week to gettinging out of that hole. >> thank you so much for saying it's not all about us, ann, because to be a girl, not only do you have the fiercest shoe collection ooifr seen in my life, you are so honest about that. we're not honest. appreciate you saying that. malcolm. >> well, i think hillary clinton won the week. and i believe she won the week because no matter what happened add the carmelo anthoforum that minutes where she was fwriled on e-mails, the entire process of what donald trump said after that talking about the intelligence briefing, making statements, kregting a young marine about the number of suicides and the whole love of putin bromance has security wondering where is this guy from and what does he stand for. >> there was criticism of
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hillary clinton for her style. wrou weren't in that discussion, but do you think that's a fair critique or was the sub tans what we should be focusing on? >> i was at the forum. there was a joke the next day, clinton hammered on style points and trump had no substance. you know, there should not be a different benchmark commander in chief. this person will control atomic weapons and each person must be asked equal questions and it's not a question of style. style doesn't mat err at all. if that was the case, lbj would never have been president of the united states nor nixon. it's about substance. we have to stick down to what matters to the health, welfare of american scitizens. zpl your shoe collection is great, too. thank you. that's it for me and thank you at home for watching. we'll be back next saturday. coming next x alex whit asks a trump spokesman about the new interview with president bush's former chief of staff who said
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day, everyone. i'm alex whit. it is high noon here in the east. 9:00 a.m. out west. here's what's happening on the campaign trail. >> with iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with tear little boats, they will be shot out of the water. >> donald trump with tough talk for iran as his campaign lashes out at the clinton camp for these remarks. >> you could put half of trump's supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. >> the clinton camp is striking back this morning. we'll bring you the latest here on the place for politics. meanwhile, overseas, a breakthrough in talks that could bring a stop at least for now, to the fighting in syria. alarming reports on north kore


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