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arbor. president obama will deliver remarks at an event in philadelphia and chelsea clinton will take part in an opening ceremony for a clinton campaign office in ceremony of a campus durham, north carolina. >> i am alex witt alongside betty nguyen. hillary clinton has been running a hate-filled and negative campaign with no policy, no solutions, and no new ideas. by contrast, i have been going around the country offering very detailed plans for reform and change. all of these reform plans are available on our website, and there i they're extensive. >> he said that in north carolina last night. >> let me just say, unbelievable. >> come on, you got to -- he's
giving specifics and policy while she has no policy. >> no policy at all. >> remember the matt lauer forum, like, what was that, about eight years ago? he actually said at one point in there, he said you know what would be great, he would say it would be great if the military had his own judicial system. has he never seen "a few good men," tom cruise, what is that. >> cyou can't handle the truth. >> i'm not going to show you that. >> the websites by the associated press came up with the opposite, and trump had seven issues with 9,000 words in
proposals. >> big words. >> and hillary clinton had 38 issues and nearly 113,000 words on policy, and more than 12 times -- >> her words were not as fantastic -- >> he uses big words. >> i can't believe this is the republican nominee. >> here we go. wind it up. wind it up. >> he doesn't drink. nothing onstage and on the air. it's horrible. nothing to say. >> wind her up and let her go. >> they go crazy over one kind of difficult line that hillary clinton had, and everything he says is either horrible, stunning, insulting, or incredibly ignorant. everything. >> here's the thing about mika that i found, she never resorts to generalizations. >> you tell me something he has said that makes you think he
might love this country and want to leave it in a good way. >> yeah, he said over the weekend the iranians surrounded any of our boats that we would blow them out of the water. >> thank you, mike. >> i don't do this very often, and i am not sure -- >> would you please defend donald trump. >> no, but his supporters that took the stage last night. >> they were great. >> the truth is, democrats are concerned about the last ten days, and she's not attacking trump, she's attacking his supporters, and whoever you are that's not a good strategy. >> and you are not saying anything about trump. >> i am not answering your question, okay. i am happy to go back to bed if that bugs you. his saw poeupporters taking the last night was a compelling mow pplt that >> is there anything he said that is smart, that is based on policy? >> he's saying enough things that are connecting that he is
neck and neck -- he's not ahead of her and it's not this close, but it's a competitive race, and he is saying enough that is connecting. >> the thing is, again, so much of it has to do with the fact that sam stein, not that donald trump is lbj in policy or jfk as far as inspiration or ronald reagan as far as vision goes, and a lot of it is he's not hillary clinton. and people are running and going, they are racist, racist, racist, and so much of it ignores the fact that half of the vote is just a vote against hillary clinton because of the things that many think she has done over the past 40 years that many republicans believe are deplorable. >> it's not a vote against clinton, but it's a vote against established republicans and wall street and et cetera.
there's no policy, and we should confront that and anytime he puts out a policy he will then, ten days later, take a different position. >> i think that, you know, we need to reconcile -- >> and deplorable statements. >> if we elect donald trump, we don't really know, and even on immigration, we don't know what we are getting. >> because he changes it every 12 hours. mike barnicle, i saw charles kramer a week ago and it stuck out at me that kraut hammer said, hillary clinton can never talk about policy, and she can put as much as he wants on websites and she can try to say this week i will talk about education, but she can never do it because there's a different cut every day in the press, a different story about e-mails or
about the foundation or about the staff or about this or that, and so the democratic side, you have a policy-free campaign, and she can't go out and talk about policy in a way that sticks, and then on the republican side, you have donald trump who is running on the force -- shear force of his personality. this is a policy-free zone and we can put up as many words as we want but on both sides, neither messages are getting through. >> because this campaign is now, i would statement, more than 90% about distrust among people. they distrust both candidates and secretary clinton is out there each and every day and every time she appears, no matter what she says whether it's a big set speech in policy, and what the public perceives about her is this baggage that she carries.
30 years of baggage. >> and it's like they are carrying around 30 years of baggage, and going, uhg, and then she stops and says another bowling ball, sir. can you put in another, please? for instance, she is sick the other day. we all understand people get sick, right. >> come on, people. come on, campaign. >> and david axelrod, and this is the clinton problem, you can't bully the press and not lie to the world and not be caught for six months or a year, and david axelrod tweets, what is the cure of an unhealthy pinch for privacy.
>> that's been my complain about the campaign for two years or for as long as the campaign has been together. the transparency issue is a real problem, and i said this candidate is flawed and the baggage that you so beautifully acted out for us. i have to say we lowered the ball. >> it all goes back to oliver. >> more porridge? >> sorry, mika. >> that's okay, sam. >> we can do it all day. >> you have to admit, though, it's shakespearen, actually -- >> her? >> no, my accent. i just got back from manchester. >> is that too late for an oscar nomination. >> an emmy, yeah. we lowered the bar so low on donald trump, and i just think that we should take the same word we are hearing out there, they are sort of clowning around with and touting people onstage
and doing whatever they can do because they are seizing on one thing so desperately because they have nothing, and donald trump, everything he says is deplorable in its ignorance -- >> enough of the over generalizatio generalizations. >> do you want me to get specific? i am happy to. i could give a list of -- >> people know the statements. >> they do? i don't think they think of them in context. >> let's move forward and there's a david duke clip and that will remind everybody and donald trump said he did not know who he was. >> he came roaring back that half of his supporters bough long in a basket of deplorables.
>> what kind of basket is that? >> lathe point became something for donald trump backers. >> can we show that picture again? what clinton has done, create add community of people who will proudly put that sign on, and ae littists can turn their nose up, but if somebody was running against me andalled my supporters deplorables, i would print that up and look at those women, a lot of people out there like nicole, and a lot of people that will proud their wear that shirt, and they are not racist or bigots and they do not want hillary clinton to be the
president of the united states and will fight like hell to stop it. >> that's what i was trying to say. >> donald trump jr. tweeted an image of a trump rally, it says hraobgsz like we are going to need a bigger basket. >> that's funny. >> and as nicole mentioned, last night trump invited supporters onstage to respond to clinton's deplorables dig. >> these are not deplorable people, i can tell you. come on over. >> my wife and i represent nondeplorable people. >> i am probably a lot of things, deplorable is not one of them, i assure you. we are going to make america great again. and hillary needs to take a nap. >> after all the horrible scandals that hillary clinton has been involved in and she has the gall to call us deplorable,
and it's unbelievable. >> he gave me a hat! >> after months of hiding from the press, hillary clinton came out and finally told the world how she feels about the people of this country. she talks about people like they are objects, not human beings. she said half of our supporters are reredeemable and not american. she describes the other half of having run out of options. hillary clinton spoke with hatred in her heart for these working class americans. absolute hatred in her heart. she looks down on the people who cook her meals and drive her cars and dig the coal that power her electricity. and it's simple, wants to bully the american voter out of voting for change. >> this is fantastic, nicole. you get t-shirts and talk about
it and get the individuals up there, and you say, hey, they are not deplorable. right? reminds me of a campaign you were involved in in 2008, where -- but on the other side. here you pick out people that are not racist or seana phobic. news agencies would go through the entire crowd praying to the news gods they could find a sign saying, look, this person said that barack obama was a socialists. >> you can always find a bad apple or somebody deplorable in any politicians crowd. >> and you can always find somebody good. >> my only point was, the road to the white house does not find itself insulting 25% of the
population, and the road to the white house winds through a sustained attack on your abonant. >> what are the numbers for trump supporters? >> on some of the policies? >> the muslim ban. donald trump, i will say, has a lot of nerve talking about hatred in hillary clinton's heart when he talks about -- >> we checked the make sure he had not play jurized. she made a smart speech about his connection to the kkk, and that's where she should go. last night on cnn at 5:00, mike pence was given an opportunity to denounce on david duke. >> we have the found for that
and we will run it. you have mexican rapists he talked about, and you have what he said about muslims, the muslim band, straight out of germany, 1933. you can go to specifics. >> yeah, women bleeding out of their eyes -- >> wherever. you can go on and on and get specific there. >> it is the candidate, obviously, but there's also duh phaupb strawbly an uptick in racism from people supporting donald trump. i get the anti-semitic e-mails in my inbox all the time, and other reporters covering the donald trump campaign are receiving sreut tree annual -- >> no. >> it's true. >> that is on a different level
during this campaign. >> let me tell you something. in 2008, i could say barack obama was the greatest person that jesus ever produced and could speak better than fdr, and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and i -- but he should wear a red tie instead of a blue tie, and the hatred that was spewed towards me in 2008 was like nothing i have ever seen before in my life. i understand, and we were sort of positive towards bernie, and i understand the hatred and the animosity and the vitriol, especially towards women from some of bernie sanders supporters, it was over the top, and so this happens all around. i think what we have to look at, though, are objective numbers, and mika, that's exactly what dana millbank did, you can look
and see how many tend to support racist views. >> dana writes in the "washington post," yes, half of trump supporters are racist and hillary clinton may have been unwise to say half of donald trump supporters are racist and others deplorables, but she was not wrong. few people embrace the racist label. if you are very enthusiastic about a candidate who has based his candidate, and employed anti-semitic imagery, well, you might be a racist. but if you are holding your nose and supporting trump only because you think him better than clinton, that doesn't put you in the basket. the new washington post abc news poll finds the two groups equal.
the rest were somewhat or not terribly enthusiastic, which, joe, leads me back to you because you said something fascinating yesterday, and you are the only person -- >> what did you say? >> oh, my god, i slept through it. >> you said -- >> hello! >> you said it might have been strategic on her part, and is that a safe way of putting it? >> i said this at the end of the day could be strae taepbtegic. and so after paris, trump will say something outrageous, and barack obama may have known something, and here she says, half of the supporters are deplorable, and it forces
everybody to look at it, and the poll from yesterday showed the last time the polls were taken in the primaries, an outrageous ly high number. if you are a muslim, you have to check in instead of the star of david maybe they put another patch on you, and an outrageous number, and they said though wanted to make islam illegal in the united states. you can call that a lot of things, okay, and i call it deplorable you want to ban a religion from the united states because you don't understand it. i think hillary clinton, if this debate continues -- >> may be on to something. >> you got questions like mike pence got. >> you respond to this.
>> this is the type of thing that makes you die inside. >> or lose. >> this is why hillary clinton may have done what hillary clinton did. >> donald trump has denounced david duke repeatedly and we don't -- >> you called him a deplorable? >> no, i am not in the name calling business, wolf. you know me better than that. what hillary clinton did was shocking, and the people who support donald trump are not a basket of everything, they are americans. >> so you now have mike pence refusing to call the imperial grand wizard of the ku klux klan, and a man donald trump claimed he did not even know earlier in the campaign, refused to call him, quote, deplorable. i guess by their definition,
nobody is deplorable. certainly vladimir putin, not only is not deplorable, he's a boyfriend. you can go down the list. >> listen, hillary clinton standing up the other night and calling out racism and everything like that, that's a good thing. >> yeah. >> but blaming it on voters is a bad thing. >> right. that was a mistake. >> right. >> on the other hand, and dana millbank's piece, i respect him very much, and a vast majority of the people that go to the trump rallies, you have been at the rallies and i have been at the rallies, and you can't decipher what they are saying, and lot of the supporters feel the system, and the candidates for every office have not been speaking to their needs and
their lives -- >> donald trump speaks to them in a way nobody else does. >> that's what they hear. you can't blame for what they are hearing. >> i do think it's important to call it racism where it is, and that means noting that a portion, not half, because it's not half, and a portion of his base is racist, and i think she erred in saying they were irredeemable, she is saying i don't even want to talk to them, and i think that's the problem. >> mike pence, first of all, why can't donald trump say anything bad about david duke the day before super tuesday, and why can't mike pence on september 12th, 2016, yesterday, why can't he say that david duke is deplorable? what is wrong with him? >> i have no idea. and if that's the hard question,
and the question about the supporters is more complicated. why take -- my point is not that there's racist in his camp, of course, there are, and my point is the political argument. she is not going to win -- joe biden came on your show in philadelphia and he did not offend any trump supporters, and he spoke directly to economic despair in the country as a motivator to people being attracted to trump, and that's where hillary should go as a political matter, and calling trump out for racism and that is that a sweet spot, but attack his supporters for whatever reason, whatever the poll something, it's stupid politics. and so far joe biden is the only one that understands that vote and understands in pennsylvania and in ohio and in wisconsin, she needs to not offend people on the fence.
>> when we were interviewing joe biden in philadelphia, and remember what he said about working class americans in the democratic part? >> you could hear a pen drop. >> we need to start talking to working class democrats, and if you want to take offense by what hillary clinton said, you may -- >> pile on. >> you may not be a trump supporter yet -- >> you are offended on their behalf. still ahead on "morning joe," you will hear from hillary clinton back pushing back on transparency complaints on her campaign over her health. and then advising donald trump on tax policy. >> he has a tax policy? what? >> you mean does donald trump have a tax policy? >> yeah. >> it changes. >> larry will know.
>> and tax the rich, don't tax the rich. >> and his new headline making book on bill clinton. >> we have to do something about that problem and the best thing we can do is set up a quick system within the military and right now the quick system practically did not exist. >> you want answers. >> you can't handle the truth!
i should have gotten some rest sooner and i probably would have been better off if i just pulled down my schedule on friday, but like a lot of people i just thought i could keep going forward and power through it and obviously that didn't work out so well. compare everything you know about me with my opponent. i think it's time he met the same level of disclosure i have for years. you have a medical report on me that meets the same standard as mitt romney and barack obama. donald trump's doctor said he would be the healthiest president in history and that's not even serious. i talked to my staff and we take
responsibility for that and that information was out there. >> we'll talk about that in a minute. and the top brass of the clinton campaign said they could be forthcoming, and president obama's former chief adviser tweeted, antibiotics can take care of pneumonia. and donald trump's campaign manager said, whoa, well said, and axelrod hit back, saying, where are his tax returns and health reports, and secret plans. and then jen palmeiri, we could have been better yesterday but it's a fact the public knows more about hillary clinton than any campaign in history, and trump has been less transparent
than any nominee in modern history. and among other things, last night there was a tense scene harkening back to primaries, when a trump supporter grabbed a protester by a shirt. we have to find another video. and the man appears to strike the protester. n asheville police did not return nbc's police for comment on why the man was allowed to remain inside after his actions. >> we have appear video that we will show in a little bit of punching back and forth here. this one guy punches two guys. >> i think he gets in the women's face as well. shoves her. >> a democratic group is questioning that authorities charge trump with inciting a riot citing these comments made
after they were hit and escorted out. >> answer this question. is there anyplace in america more fun to be than at a trump rally, right? >> donald trump says after one of his supporters punches a couple people and shoves his hand in a woman's face. >> well, i think that's, you know, a side dish, all of it, the rally, you know, and what happens at the rally, and the clip we just showed. i want to know things about donald trump that i think a lot of people want to know. >> i can tell you this, when there is violence at his rallies, he glorifies it. isn't that fun? >> donald trump will not release his tax returns. >> i want to know if he is dealing with russian banks. >> he is either doing a lot of business with vladimir putin and
he is so compromised that america's national security will be compromised or he's the biggest liar when it comes to his income, and he's only worth a couple $100,000 or a couple $100,000 million. it must be true. >> or the third option is he didn't pay much taxes. >> he probably gets around stuff. >> all the developers do that. ? >> the russian stuff, i want to find out about, is it true or not true? >> i don't think he will ever put it out. this is where hillary clinton is correct to talk about a double standard. she will be forced because of her health issue, whatever you want to call it, to put out more health situation, and he went to
a cvs and had a guy write up a post it. >> he's a gift to the medical community -- >> is he a real doctor? >> it's unclear. >> is he a real doctor? >> he's a doctor. >> that is such a close-minded question. he's a real doctor like dr. nick on "the simpsons." >> he's the second runner up in the 2010 willy nelson look-alike contest. >> he looks like willie? >> wow. >> the report he put out, and i think -- the report he put out on trump was almost an insult to the intelligence of voters in the way he described trump. in the history of the presidential history -- >> we have the thing that we are
concerned about, i am concerned about donald trump's relationship with vladimir putin. there is something deep there, you know. i would not be surprised if -- >> no, no, joe. i would be very worried about that, if he had not also said what do you think happens when you put men and women together? my god! he's creepy. he's creepy. like people -- like people get ra raped when you put men and women together. think about that statement, everybody. talk to me. help me out here. >> it's bad, and it's back to the basket, it's just really a big -- >> back to the basket of deplorables. >> what are you doing? le. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know.
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agreement early into the agreement yesterday, and they claimed armed groups in aleppo launched attacks and a number of groups cautiously welcomed the plan brokered by the u.s. and russia over the weekend. secretary of state, john kerry, fired back at critics that called the plan flawed. >> sure, this is less than perfect. this is perhaps one of the most complicated places in the world, but let me ask you, flawed compared to what? compared to nothing? compared to daily violence that absolutely guarantees a future of even more violence and possible sectarian explosion in the region? >> let's go to washington now. we have former director of the cia, retired general michael hayden. and you know the generals that came onboard and supported donald trump, well general
hayden was not one of those. >> no. >> talk about just how tenuous this cease-fire is, extraordinary important if secretary kerry can hold this together with the other groups, but how tenuous is it and how optimistic are you that we may get another week or two out of this? >> yeah, joe, sadly, i am not very optimistic. this is a case where i think we are being noble and feckless at the same time. you saw secretary kerry's emotion about the killing, and in order to stop the killing, all right, we're leaning on our allies to do things they don't want to do and we are holding our nose and closing our eyes and partnering with the russians and taking the fate of assad and pushing it off the planning cycle for the foreseeable
future, and so we are accepting a lot of strategic loss in order for an attempt to stop the killing, and again, mika, very noble, but a complicated deal. so many moving parts and it's hard to explain in a coherent way, and i am sadly optimistic. we talked previously when i have been on the show about the russian goals here being different than ours. they are there to prop up their lone friend in the arab world, bashar al assad, and the resistance of that regime feeds the extremism we are trying to defe but in order to put a lid on the current violence we agreed to set up joint targeting or a joint intelligence cell with the russians and i am glad i am not in government and have
not been given that responsibility. what are you willing to share in the way of intelligence with the russians? what american military officer is will to go put a bomb on any point on planet earth based upon russian intelligence. >> to go back to the assad element here, and for years, months, years, the administrations argument is you can never have a sustainable peace if assad was still in power, and so is this now just a fundamental rechanging or reorientation of the argument. and the second question, two weeks or three weeks, what are you looking at in terms of met tricks and news or whatever, to know if something is constructive and allowing for peace to be long term? >> to your first question, sam, secretary kerry is out there in no-man's-land. he's got overall objectives and
you just stated, assad must go, and our government has not given him any tools adequate to effect of change and you have the secretary coming up with this kind of tenuous deal. my metric for success is probably the reduction in violence, and here's the punch line, can we pressure the russians and syrians to allow the free movement of goods and services to isolated areas now? are the sieges of aleppo and other cities, are they going to stop, and are we going to be allowed to improve the quality of life of folks there? frankly, right now, assad wants to expand his area of control and his toll for doing that is frankly putting pressure on the civilian population. >> general hayden, you are a master at understanding the level of putin's ways, and do you think putin and -- they are
emboldened by trump? is secretary kerry weakened at all of what is coming out of the trump campaign? >> there's some things that make them more confident to go forward, and it clouds the american political discourse. frankly, nicole, i think it's more basic than that. we have not pushed back strongly against the russians in ukraine, crimea and syria, and we have sanctions that the administration can layout a whole list of things they can done, but for the life of me i do not know why we have given defensive arms to the ukrainians. >> here's mike pence defending the trump's campaign of putin is
how a trump presidency would differenter from barack obama. >> look, america is stronger than russia. the american political system is kpaerer than the russian political system in every way and we just simply need the president of the united states who will command the respect of the world, and donald trump will take the world as it comes and what you hear him saying is he is willing to engage foreign leaders. the cease-fire we are watching right now was brokered because the united states of america was willing to sit down with russia and give secretary kerry credit for sitting down with his counterpart and saying you need to bring assad to the table and we bring the insurgents to the
table and work out a cease-fire so humanitarian aid can flow. >> why do i do inside? because he knows what he's doing. that's the thing. >> mike pence's answer was convoluted as me trying to answer a treug tphaupl tree answer in the fifth grade. he says they won't engage but trump will, and conservatives like pence, and myself, and i don't know what your ideology is, but part of our criticism of barack obama and hillary clinton, they did engage tyrants. tyrants like the iranian leaders and struck a horrific deal that will put us in a bad place for years to come. >> you are right, joe.
you know what? there are strange echos between president obama's campaign in 2008 and mr. donald trump's campaign with regard to i will talk to anybody, and with regard to american retrenchment, and there are echos between the two campaign and specifically with regard to what mr. pence said, governor pence said, donald trump has yet to express a condition which he would impose on vladimir putin for which he demands putin's actions before he gets a better relationship with the united states. if he says nice about me, i will say nice about him, and that's not a winning hand. >> general, you are right, that's exactly what barack obama said in 2008, mocking and ridiculing hillary clinton and the bush administration and basically saying i will speak to the most deplorable leaders on the planet with no preconditions, and you are right, that sounds like the trump policy. all you have to do is compliment
him and he will talk to you. >> there may be a psychic echo here i just missed because of lack of evidence, and anything deeper in regard to the trump relationship, and i believe trump is the current face of authoritarian populism in the united states and vladimir putin is the global poster child for authoritarianism populism. >> in anyone of your former jobs or even yourself, is there anything that can could sit here today and tell the american public, what will syria look like in two months or years? >> no i don't think they would want to take on that responsibility, but you bring up a wonderful point, in defense of the deal, secretary kerry said it could be our last chance to
preserve a unified syria, and i think that train has left the station a long taoeuime ago, an think a unified syria is part of history. >> michael hayden, it is always a pleasure. >> thank you and honored to have you here. >> thank you. coming up in just a few moments, a nbc new poll out this morning shows a tightening national picture, plus, is the senate looking better for republicans? why mitch mcconnell's majority may be here to stay. we will be back with more on "morning joe." and then, in one blinding blink of an eye, their tree had given its last. but with their raymond james financial advisor, they had prepared for even the unthinkable. and they danced.
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she called these americans every name in the book, sexist, racist, and islamic phobic, and said they were not even american. anybody sezenaphobic? >> i don't think so. >> sam, do you have a beard? >> i don't think so. >> people say there's something going on over there. >> something is going on. >> people say -- i don't know what people are seeing? welcome back to "morning joe" this hour. >> it's september 13th. >> you know i am right. >> we have veteran columnist --
>> he avoids me when he knows i am right. >> and all the people said -- >> legendary. >> and sam stein with us. >> and joining the conversation, a professor at the university of michigan school of public policy, former democratic congressman, herald ford jr. you and hillary clinton powering through -- >> go home and go to bed. stay away from us. >> you loved him as a kid and we speak, of course, of chris -- >> let's go to the polls. >> a new nbc newsman key poll shows hillary clinton's lead over donald trump continues to narrow. >> if you are thinking that's a
little too close for your comfort, let's go to the next one. >> trump closed the gap by two points since last week. in a four-way match-up, clinton leads by just two points. libertarian candidate, gary johnson maintains 11 points, and in some of the latest polling we are seeing familiar gaps between hillary clinton and donald trump when it comes to gender, race and education. and the poll from yesterday, clinton maintains her lead with female voters in these four states as well. according to "usa today" the biggest swing is among white college educated voters, and a group that voted republican in
every election since 1952, and yesterday the poll showed the lead against grads, but in deep red arizona he's up by a single point. >> that would make a huge difference. why is that happening? >> i think becau this election, which has been the most unorthodox i have ever read about or can remember is starting to frame up as a little more traditional of electorate. if you are even a loose partisan -- >> people end up going back to their corners by the end. we hear people in the summer going, i'm not voting for my mom knee and then in the end they go back to their own coners. >> if you push them, they are partisan, and i am independent, but i voted for the republicans in the last five elections, and you are probably republican.
can trump unify that group of people that voted for romney and mccain and george bush twice. he struggled with that, and he struggled in the convention and during hillary clinton's convention, and i think you are starting to see the reality of the polarized politics and showing it may be stronger than even these two candidates who are both well known and polarizing. >> after a day off in the campaign in honor of 9/11, donald trump came roaring back against hillary clinton for her comment that half of his supporters bough long in a basket of deplorables, and the point became a point of pride for some backers, and donald trump jr. tweeted an image of a rally with the caption, looks like we are going to need a bigger basket.
and donald trump invited supporters onstage to respond to hillary clinton's deplorable dig. >> my wife and i represent nondeplorable people! [ cheering ] >> i am probably a lot of things, and deplorable is not one of them, i assure you. we are going to make america great again. and hillary needs to take a nap. >> after all the horrible scandals that hillary clinton has been involved in and she has the gall to call us deplorable, and that's unbelievable. >> he gave me a hat! >> after months of hiding from the press, hillary clinton came out and finally told the world how she feels about the people of this country. she talks about people like they are objects, not human beings. she said half of our supporters are irredeemable and not
american, and describes the other half of having run out of options. hillary clinton's spoke with hatred in her heart for these working-class americans. absolute hatred in her heart. she looks down on the people who cook her meals and drive her cars and dig the coal that power her electricity. her goal is simple, to bully the american voter out of voting for change. hillary clinton owes all of you an apology. i think you will get that apology right around the same time that she hands over the 33,000 e-mails that she delivered. >> first of all, barnicle, i don't know, it sounds -- i don't know if roger is helping with any of his words -- >> it's kelly -- >> roger may be pitching in, i don't know, i have not talked to him, but those lines, she looks
down on the people who cook her meals, drive her cars and dig her coal is a very powerful statement to a lot of voters, not only white working class voters in the region that swings so many elections, swung for in the '80s, and clinton in the '90s, and you attach the term deplorable and saidly that becomes sort of an honorary membership for a lot of people. >> in the last two or three weeks, donald trump, no matter what you think about his campaign, he has been on message consistently nearly every single day and he is using a teleprompter for the specific items of his message, as you just spelled out and it has to do that he has a disciplinarien sitting with him on the plane,
and something hillary clinton doesn't have on the plane. >> i hate to disagree with the esteemed mike barnicle, and if on message means blowing iranian ships out of the water, and saying you blow up the g-20 summit because of the staircase -- >> that's where he comes off the prompter. >> there's a jekyll and hyde. >> it's a mask. they put the mask on him. >> i don't know. that might be true. >> he's like a race horse, if they can keep him in his lane. >> i do notice a day and night trump. in the day, on message and at night he drifts a little. >> the deplorables statement, does that end up being a negative for hillary clinton or give her an ton the to talk about the nature of trump's
support? >> it hurts for the reasons you hurt. and i love your imitation of people saying i will not vote for my nominee, and i knew at some point republicans would find their way home and there's an effort to bring republicans over for clinton and they need to focus again on reassembly the coalition obama put together, and trump has had two days of discipline and what most americans are seeing is that military speech he gave yesterday, and mike pence disappointed me not being able to denounce david duke, one of the worst people in history, d and --
>> yesterday he just accused the fed of not being an independent agency, and he called elizabeth warren po warren pocahontas. >> he re -- >> what do you think happens when men and women get together? let's leave it there. >> hold on a second. listen, mika, mika -- >> what? >> you called me last night and you said when you heard donald trump on the air, you said he's getting better. >> oh, sure. >> he's sounding more disciplined. >> yeah, when he is looking at the -- >> i am not a hillary clinton supporter. we are not going to be able to counter this, but largely because he is trained and we have to adjust as well. >> but we can't lower the bar on deplorable statements. let's die inside together.
here's mike pence. >> donald trump has denounced david duke repeatedly and we don't want his support and the support of people that think like him. >> would you call him deplorable? >> i'm not in the name-calling business, you know me better than that. what hillary clinton did friday night was shocking and the millions of people that support donald trump are not a basket or anything, but they are americans. donald trump and i repeatedly denounced david duke and we said we don't want his support or the support of people like david duke, and the media continues to scamper after this and the question i got him on another network, do you call him deplorable, and i get it and they wanted to start using terms hillary clinton uses and you have known me, and i don't play that game. >> i am just sweet mika here would never say anything like that.
what? >> it's okay. it's okay to call the imperial grand wizard of the ku klux klan deplorable. herald, let's remember the day before super tuesday in the south. donald trump pretended like he didn't even know who david duke was. >> he was unfamiliar with the organization that david duke was part of. >> and he was unfamiliar with the ku klux klan. the day before super tuesday voting in the south. and now here we are in september and yesterday on september 12th, you have the republican nominee for vice president for the republican party unable to say that a member of the kkk, a neo-nazi is deplorable. >> if he doesn't like the word dephraoerable because he associates it with clinton, fair enough, but come up with another
adjective. how about disgusting. revolting. >> un-american. >> i don't think hillary clinton did this thing as a three dimensional thing, and we did talk about how there's a way in when the whole conversation does work to her advantage, and the pence thing illustrates i think there's a chance there are moderate republicans out there that look at the division between the deplorables and nondeplorables, and can we cleveland off the republicans, and she went out of her way to say there are people not deplorab deplorable, and i think she wants to win them and they need to have the conversation in order to get them with the trump camp they will consider her candidacy. >> i believe most people around the table, mike, you don't win votes or some voters by calling other voters irredeemable. >> going after bigotry in any
form or fashion, that's a good thing, and going after the people and not the candidate himself, not a good thing. >> it looks as if hillary clinton breathed new life into the trump campaign. or at least given it an extra jolt of energy for its supporters. i mean, you want -- and i know because of my first campaign, you know, you want your supporters insulted, and you want them -- >> yeah, you want them angry. >> emboldened. >> yeah. >> and that energizes them and those people instead of just going to vote, they knock on doors and make phone calls and talk to people in church and talk to friends when they are dropping off their sons and daughters at schools, and they really get engaged. hillary clinton just energized donald trump supporters. >> i think anytime you paint
with a broad brush, and half of the people have these views, you are in trouble. right? that never works in politics. you have to say he has people supporting him like david duke who espouse these views who are outside of the mainstream of thought, and you don't want to be that person, and you can say that, and with mike pence, find another word besides deplorable, and find another word. i think this is not a good moment for hillary clinton. i think it has not been a good couple weeks. i thought the speech yesterday was one of trump's better speeches. better compared to not good at all, but it was better and it was on message. she has struggled, look, from the fbi putting out their report to the health issue, and this is not been a good last month in
the same way two or three months were horrendous for trump. he's still in the game because there's two choices. hillary clinton and donald trump. lots of people don't want this one and he's the only other one out there. >> and "the fix" has another piece up entitled. >> their odds have not looked good all year but you have to look at two people, who if republicans hold the senate, which is less than a 50/50 propositions, marco rubio and rob portman, and rubio decided to win again, and joe knows this, that's a $20 million investment to get rhonda santos to get him to win that nomination and get him to be the senator. and in ohio, portman, despite that state has been close, and
strickland is talking about tim kaine being a good governor. >> wow. >> if republicans hold the majority every single one of them should send rob portman a big -- whatever he likes, chocolates, flowers, because that's a huge reason. it does show campaigns matter. you couldn't find two republicans more different than rob portman and donald trump, and yet portman is seemingly prospering in this environment. i think it's a lesson for all the other folks out there. >> you mention richard burr. >> the more the republican base comes home to trump, joe, you are going to see republican incumbents under performing bump up. that doesn't mean they will win
but it means they are bumping upward. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. also, mike, you also just have republicans figuring out in a very difficult situation how to distance themselves from donald trump without offending all of his supporters. >> two of the candidates he mentioned in ohio and new hampshire, in ohio, you have portman up by ten or 12, and john kasich is getting it out, and in new hampshire -- >> those two senators, they have one thing in common, they both did legislation on the heroin epidemic and policy still matters and that has helped them incredibly with their re-ele re-election campaign. larry kudlow will be our guest next, but first -- >> i think our lifestyle and underlying indicator from blood pressure to the amount of exercise and everything else
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i don't have to follow the news in the line of work i do. with us now the editor and chief out with a new book, and already making a lot of news. let's start with the big question, do you believe, like james car srul, that it could be shut down. >> i don't think it will be shut down, and as i say in the end of
the book, if hillary clinton is elected president they will have to change the way they do business, and i don't think there are real conflicts of interests, i think there are potential ones if you are raising money while somebody is president. >> right. >> when she -- >> and she was secretary of state, the same conflicts would arise. what is the difference between her as president and her as secretary of state and raising the money? >> when you are secretary of state you have limited power over defense contracts, and if you are president they all come to your desk, so i think the conflicts will be greater. when barack obama asked her to be secretary of state, she resisted at first, joe, and i think you remember that and she didn't want to do it, and he persuaded her and she said what about my husband's foundation, and they went through the rules. >> did they follow the rules?
we hear news reports they did not follow those reports? >> i think to the greatest percent they did follow the rules. when you ask somebody to report more than 300,000 contributions and i think you know as a former member of congress, sometimes thinks slip through the tracks and some did but not many. >> the early news from the book, colin powell as you reported advised hillary clinton to use a private e-mail. is he right or wrong and how is this debate coming out, and is he lying? >> what i think now, sam, is that he was telling her for months this is what she should do -- >> does that precede her time as secretary of state? >> i think around the time she was sworn in, and that's the time of the e-mail, january 2009, and then the dinner at madeline albright's house that i
talk about in the book happens months later, when she invited former secretaries come and a advise her what to do, and the problem of when he tried to deny what was in the book, i had an e-mail exchange with his principle assistant who told me when the dinner was and what he said at it. >> does this make what she did right? couldn't you argue, what powell did was wrong himself? >> i think what powell did do what wrong and what was worse he did not keep the e-mails and at least hillary clinton kept them and released 30,000 of them, and powell has none of them. it does not justify what she did. i don't think she says it did, and i think she is clear she doesn't think it justified her action but puts them in a
different light if somebody who she respected and preceded her in the office, this is what i did, and it changes a little bit her perspective on the decisions she made. >> and bill clinton, some think he slowed down and some think he is still affective. what your assessment of his current state of being a political operative essentially? >> in the book, and i go out with him on the trail again this year, and we went to philadelphia, a famous incident where the black lives matter incident happened, and a protester starts yelling at him, and he argues with her, and it became a big news story for a day, and i thought that was not his most effective moment and he had to apologize the next day and he said i should not have said it the way i did or something like that, but that morning in philadelphia i was
also with him and he went to see a huge group of african-american ministers who were gathered in the city quietly that day and nobody else was in the city except him and he was amazingly effective with him, and those, mostly men and some women, they went out to their pulpits across the country and helped to get her the nomination, so that definitely worked. there are moments of great effectiveness on his part and then moments where he is a little rusty. >> we should be careful too much pwae littling colin powell, but you touch on three or four episodes, and give us what you think was the most impactful. i know you talk about china and north korea, and which story were you struck by the most? >> look, it's the story that is
amazing, still to me, the north korea story where he went over there and with a few of his aides and rescued the two journalists that worked for al gore's then-tv network. in the book i got to see the memorandum and briefings that came out of the meetings that he had with the north korean dictator, and he was remarkable with them and despite we have a lot of problems with north korea still, they did some things that he tried to persuade them to do, and released some south koreaens and released the two journalists and made restitution to japan on some issues and he persuaded them and brought back and went back to the negotiations with the u.s. over nuclear arms. i think he is still an extremely effective democrat. >> and there was a poll out that showed his approval ratings
dropped into 38, 39%. why is that? >> joe, this happens in every political race to him and it happened, if you recall, in 2008, and his ratings were terrible after south carolina, again, below 40, and it's because it's a combination of things, some of it is the polarization of politics and people forget they liked him, and mistakes in that case he made, and in this case, you know, it's hard to defend every single thing you have done over 20 years, and you will be attacked on every single thing you have done, and that's what has happened. >> and some talk about how many of the clintons' wounds are self inflicted. isn't it fair to say that everybody in public life is going to be attacked, but it seemed to -- just like david
axiom rod said with the pneumonia -- >> clearly that was a mistake. >> a lot of their wounds are self inflicted. it's maddening for democrats that want her to win. >> in the book i say it's clear, like times with the speeches, for instance, where they are so sure they are honest, and they are so sure of their integrity they don't understand they will see what people are doing. >> they are so right? >> it's not they are so right, mika, but hillary clinton knows she didn't take bribes from goldman sachs, i think she is sure of that, and she doesn't understand other people would see the big speech fees from golden sacks as a problem. >> isn't that a problem? >> well, i think somebody in there for decades -- >> joe, you right about the cgi
and different initiatives and everybody voices angry suspicions and unproven accusations and preventive theorys and we are all crazy and there's no connection here that seems appropriate. >> i am not sure what you mean? >> crisscrossing with the state department and perhaps inappropriate relationships used for the wrong things. >> i have not seen one. i have not seen one. you have would have tell me a specific one. in general, is there anything terrible -- >> do you understand why there are many people that want to see e-mails missing because they are concerned about this? >> i guess so. but you would have to show me -- connecting the dots is a simple exercise, but you have to show that there's a motive and you have to show that somebody did something because of something else. >> it's hard to connect the dots when they destroy the e-mails, just like the rose law firm billing records. >> billing records were never
destroyed, joe. >> no, they were taken away. >> no, they were always available -- >> come on, joe. they showed up two years later. >> that's not correct. there were copies missing for a while and they were found in the white house at the beginning of an election year. >> found in the white house in the middle of a table. >> what did they prove when they were found? >> we don't know because the clintons -- >> you need to read the final report of the independent council. >> this is sort of bs that the clintons always play and we are trying to have a nice interview here, but please don't act like we are stupid. they take custody of records, be e-mails or billing records, and they then decide what the world sees and what the world doesn't see, and we don't know if the process is legitimate or not -- >> joe -- >> let me finish because you know where i am getting and then after they decided what we all
see, so see nothing is there, and this proves it. >> they turned over billing records, and what did they show? read the independent counsel's final report, you should. they found no wrong doing whatsoever. >> why did they keep it away from them for so long? >> they were lost. they didn't. >> they had the same records anyway. those were copies. >> the '90s were fun. >> it's a lot like the e-mails. you release the e-mails -- >> let's just be honest. >> you sort through the e-mails and decide what the world will see -- >> believe me, i want her to win. >> look, on this show, joe, you said that -- or you suggested that she had done something for algeria and made a donation, so that's the kind of accusation that gets thrown out and it's not even close to being correct, as you know, and then we later
come, months later, and somebody says isn't there all this flack about the clinton foundation and we heard these stories, and that's in the mix, and all the stories i examine in the book carefully -- >> so all the news reports -- >> they are inventive theories. >> i think it's easy to show well, he had a speech and she did something as secretary of state and therefore you could imagine if you look at them that way that this was done because of that, but there's no evidence that actually happened. >> this is the thing most people -- let's forget about the specifics and let's go general. this is what even hillary clinton's strongest supporters are saying, why in the world would she get paid $240 or $250,000 for a speech, and sometimes from a state school that she represented in the senate not so long ago, and why would bill clinton's fees jump
up from $550,000 when she becomes secretary of state, and with the foundation, and -- >> yeah, the foundation. >> she knew she was going to run for president. what, $100 million -- >> this is what we just talked about. i don't think they are worth $100 million -- >> worth enough she did not need to do it. >> you will not get an argument from me about that. as i said a few minutes ago, there's a blind spot on their part about this, and i think that's clear. they definitely made mistakes. >> that's destructive to a potential candidacy. >> yeah, okay. i am not fighting with you about that. i am fighting about the substance, i don't think there's substance. >> we have a break, and we have gone way over. >> the book is "man of the world:the further endeavors of bill clinton." thank you so much.
coming up, the tense scene at trump's rally last night of what was reminiscent of what went on during the primary. >> here's the video, and this guy actually hits two or three people, and then at the end of it, donald trump and -- and a woman gets shoved in the face, too, and then donald trump talks about is there anyplace more fun in america to go than a trump rally. we'll be right back. >> that's fun.
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so mika, i owe an apology. we talked for three hours today. >> what happened? >> he said something about al skwraeura. i want to make sure i get it right. clinton foundation, 2010 donation broke obama administration agreement. so i don't know if i got that right or wrong, but this is what cnn reports. the clinton foundation admitted thursday that a 2010 donation from the algerian government was not properly approved under the guidelines of the obama administration they put in place of the foundation when clinton became secretary of state in 2009. cnn goes on to report the unso
listitted. the foundation the obama administration signed into agreement that outlined how the foundation would deal with it, but as cnn reports again, this $500,000 donation violated the clintons' own agreement with the obama administration, and we thank joe con sun for bringing that to our attention. and then a man from the crowd at a trump valley went over to violently confront them and appears to strike a protester and the man was allowed to remain for the rest of the rally. and the police did not immediately return our call for comment about how the man was allowed to stay, and democratic
coalition wants to charge trump for these comments after the protesters were escorted out. >> let me ask this question. is there anyplace in america that is more fun to be than a trump rally? >> that would be what you would call the glorification of violence? wouldn't it be that? >> probably that, but it's tough to -- >> when you say punch him in the face. >> i can't believe i am about to say this, in all likelihood he obviously did not see what was happening in the raptors. >> katie, what happened? >> reporter: i was not there. >> you were not there last night but what can you tell us based on the reporting of what happened last night? >> reporter: often times the
rallies get tense and it has calmed down and we have not seen slashes from supporters and protesters until last night, when there is physical touching of some sort or roughing up, whatever you want to call it, or an assault or punc and donald trump says exactly what you heard him say, there's no more fun except at a trump rally, and when a man sucker punched a protester in north carolina also, donald trump offered to pay his legal fees, and these sorts of things, this violence and you have been saying it for a while now, it's not only -- it's not -- it's not discouraged in any way. donald trump almost goes on --
>> which would be deplorable. >> yeah, that would be deplorable. katie, thank you so much. come on the set tomorrow if you can. we would love to have you. before we go to break, i want to thank joe because i am learning an awful lot here. this is the washington posts and this is specifically about the algerian incident that joe was kind enough to bring this to us, and this matter as lot, and the last one from cnn, and this is from the washington post, so you might want to fact check the "washington post." they should have sought approval because they accepted the $500,000 donation from the algerian government and the money was given to assist with earthquake relief but at the time, algeria, which it sought a closer relationship was lobbying
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what's in your wallet? thanks to joe conason, we are shedding light on an incident regarding algeria -- >> behave. >> i am just reading. we read from cnn and the washington posts, and it's all over the place this algerian, and i went to a left-leaning website, and thanks to joe conason, it's like a cornucopia
of information, and i am just picking this, and so it's one of the many examples in its 2011 human rights report, and thealg tolerating arbitrary killing and widespread corruption and a lack of judicial independence. mike, you'll find that fascin e fascinati fascinati fascinating. that same year, the algerian government donated $500,000 to the clinton foundaon and the state approved a 70% increase in military export authorizations for the country. and including tox logical agent including chemical agents and biological agents and associated equipment. before the donation to the clinton foundation, the state department had not authorized the export of any suggest items to algeria before that. >> but those were separate events. there's no dot connecting. >> joe conason, you know who
he's like. he's like tom cruise at the end of "a few good men." he's getting the truth out there. i can't handle the truth, you can't handle the truth. joe conason brings us the truth on alalgeria, on the clinton foundation. we would not be talking about this if it were not for joe conason. joe, we thank you. did you order that code red? >> you can't handle the truth. can you play that clip really quickly? >> we'll be right back. >> we will be right back. here's joe conason, played by tom cruise. >> you want answers. >> i want the truth. >> you can't handle the truth.
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still ahead this morning, more breaking down hillary clinton's comment about half of donald trump's supporters. why the dp dp dana milbank said the deplorable remarks was unwise nbut nat wrong, and mike pence saying he believes barack obama was born in america. yay. praised for nothing. and apparently, though, called david duke -- would not call david duke deplorable. too much for the vice presidential nominee. also, we'll see if i can actually win really sam's bet. he says i can't tell an algerian story about the clinton foundation before every break for the rest of the month. i think i can do it for joe
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all of these reform plans are available on our website, they're extensive. >> so he said that in north carolina last night. >> let me just say, that's unbelievable. >> an analysis of the campaign -- >> come on. you gotta soak that in. let's marinate. >> i'm refuting it right now. >> the greatness of that. i have been going around giving specifics. >> policy. >> and policy, while she -- >> she has no policy. >> no policy at all. >> i mean, it's honestly -- >> i am policy based. remember the matt lauer forum like, what was that, eight years ago? he actually said at one point in there, he said, you know what would be great. it would be great if the military had it own judicial system. >> oh, my god. >> has he never seen "a few good men"? >> it's true. >> has he never seen tom cruise. >> he can't handle the truth.
>> it's unbelievable -- we're going to get that bite. >> i'm not doing it because the truth is always the better story. an analysis of the associated press came up with just the opposite. finding that on policy proposals trump had seven issues with 9,000 words in proposals. >> big words, though. >> clinton had 38 issues and nearly 113,000 words on policy. more than 12 times the amount of trump's. >> her words weren't as fantastic as his words, though. >> he's really -- >> this is great. >> he is not -- >> big words. huge. >> i can't believe his is the republican nominee. and that he has -- >> here we go. >> it's devolved into this weird drunk-like mess of -- >> he doesn't drink. >> they like go crazy over one kind of difficult line that hillary clinton had. >> what's that? >> everything he says is either horrible, stunning, insulting, or incredibly ignorant.
everything. >> here's the thing about mika that i found. she never resorts to generalizations. >> you guys tell me something that he said that really is smart, makes you think, makes you think he might love this country and want to lead it in a good way. anybody? >> he said over the weekend, the iranians surrounded any of our boats, he would blow them out of the water. >> thank you, mike. you sound like -- >> well, listen. i don't do this very often. >> will you please defend donald trump, please? >> but his supporters who took the stage last night, his supporters, i mean, the truth is democrats are concerned about the last ten days. and she's not attacking trump. she's attacking his supporters. it's not -- whoever you are, that's not a good strategy. >> you're not saying anything about trump. >> i'm not saying anything about trump, mika. i'm not answering your question, okay. i'm happy to go back to bed if that bugs you, but his supporters taking the stage last night was a compelling moment. his supporters are not her
enemy. >> is there anything he said that's not prescient, that's prescie prescient, that's smart, that's based on policy and not ignorance. >> he's saying enough things that are connecting that he's neck and neck. he's not ahead of her and it's not this close, but it's a competitive race. it's saying enough that it's connecting. >> the thing is, again, so much of it has to do with the fact that sam stein, not that donald trump is lbj on policy or jfk as far as inspiration goes or ronald reagan as far as vision goes. a lot of it is just that he's not hillary clinton. >> right. >> that's why when people are running going, oh, they're racist, there's racist. he's racist. they're racist. so much of it ignores the fact that half of the vote is just a vote against hillary clinton because of the things that many people think she has done over the past 40 years that many republicans believe are
deplorable. >> it's not just that vote against hillary clinton. it's a vote against established republicans against politicians in general, washington, so on and so forth. there is no policy here. we should just confront that. there is no policy because any time he puts out a policy, he will then ten days later take a different position. that becomes difficult to judge his policy on anything other than his personality. >> and hatred. >> to some extent, yes. i think we need to sort of reconcile what -- >> and deplorable statements. >> what are we elected? we don't know. even on the most important issue of his candidacy, immigration. >> he change s it every 12 hour. i saw charles kroauthammer a wek ortwo ago. it really stuck out at me that krauthammer said hillary clinton can never talk about policy. she can put as much as she wants on websites. she can try to say this week i'm
going to talk about education or this week -- but she can never do it because there's a different cut every day in the press. a different story about e-mails or about the foundation or about the staff, about this or about that. so on the democratic side, you have not at the candidate's desire, a policy-free campaign. she just can't -- she can never go out and talk about policy in a way that sticks. then on the republican side, you have donald trump who is running on the force, sheer force of his personality. so this really is -- this is a policy-free zone. we can put up as many words as we want. on both sides, neither messages are getting through. >> neither of them has a message, a stirring message of getting through because this campaign is now, i would estimate, more than 90% about distrust among people. they distrust both candidates. secretary clinton is out there each and every day and every time she appears, no matter what
she says, whether it's a big set speech on policy, what the public sees and perceives about her is this baggage that she carries. 30 years of baggage. >> and mike, they do. and it's like they're carrying around 30 years of baggage, walking, going -- and then she stops and says, i'm not a bowling ball. >> it's still better than -- >> can you put in an anvil please? for instance, she's sick the other day. we all understand. people get sick, right? >> come on, people. come on. >> and screw it up. david axelrod said that. you get that tweet? this is perfect. and this is the clinton problem. it's not 1996. she can't bully the press. you can't lie to the world and not be caught for six months or a year. and so david axelrod tweets, antibiotics can take care of pneumonia.
what's the cure for an unhealthy penchant for privacy that repeatedly creates unnecessary problems? >> well, and that's been my complaint about the campaign for two years. for as long as the campaign has been together. >> very harsh about that. >> i know, the transparency issue is a real problem. i always said this candidate is fl flawed, certainly has the baggage you so beautifully acted out for us. i have to say, we have lowered the bar. >> everything goes back to oliver. >> good point. >> porridge, sam. we have been going to town on that one for 50 years. >> sorry, mika. >> that's okay, sam. >> we can do it all day. you gotta admit, though, it is sort of shakespearean, actually. >> her? >> no, just my accent. i just got back from manchester. >> you really -- >> too late for an oscar nomination? >> i don't think so. >> an emmy. >> we have lowered the bar so low on donald trump.
and i -- >> that is true. >> i just thin that we should take the same word we're herring out there, that they're now sort of clowning around with and touting people onstage and doing whatever they can do because they're seizing upon one thing so desperately, honestly, because they have got nothing. everything donald trump says really makes news is deplorable. deplorable in its ignorance, in its hatred. >> enough of the overgeneralizations. enough with the overgeneralizations. >> do you want me to get specific? i'm happy to. i could give you a list of 1,000 statements he has made. >> let's just do the news. people know the statements. >> they do? i don't think they actually think of them in context. >> well, why don't we -- why don't we move forward, and there's a david duke clip. >> oh, yeah. >> and that will remind everybody that donald trump pretended that he didn't know who david duke was or the ku klux klan. >> right. >> let's read the news and see what happens.
>> after a day off the campaign trail in honor of 9/11, donald trump came roaring back against hillary clinton for her comment that half of his supporters belong in a basket of deplorables. she called it a gross generalization. >> what kind of basket is that? you weave it? >> macrame. >> the word became a point of pride for some trump backers wearing it on t-shirts and put ping it on signs. >> can i stop you right there. can we show the picture again? what hillary clinton has done here is she's created a community. of people who will proudly put that sign on. and elitists can turn their nose up, but i'll tell you what, if somebody were running against me and called my supporters deplorables, i would print the t-shirts in half a second and i would talk about it nonstop until the end of the campaign. >> i don't disagree. >> look at those women. look at those women. a lot of people out there like my brother, a lot of people out there like nicolle, your
parents, a lot of people that will proudly wear that shirt are not racists, are not bigotts, but they do not want hillary clinton to be president of the united states and will fight like hell to stop it. >> all i was trying to say. >> creating a community. that's what hillary clinton has done here. go ahead. >> donald trump jr. tweeted an image of a trump rally with the caption, looks like we're going to need a bigger basket. and as nicolle mentioned -- >> that's funny. >> as nicolle mentioned, last night in north carolina, trump invited supporters onstage to respond to clinton's deplorables dig. >> these are not deplorable people, that i can tell you. come on over. >> my wife and i represent non- non-deplorable people. >> i am probably a lot of things. deplorable is not one of them, i assure you. we are going to make america great again. and hillary needs to take a nap.
>> after all the horrible scandals that hillary clinton has been involved in and then she has the gall to call us deplorable. it's unbelievable. >> i'm up here because he gave me a hat. >> after months of hiding from the press, hillary clinton came out and finally told the world how she feels about the people of this country. >> she talks about people like they're objects, not human beings. she said half of our supporters are irredeemable and not american. and describes the other half as having run out of options. hillary clinton spoke with hatred in her heart for these working-class americans. absolute hatred in her heart. she looks down on the people who cook her meals, drive her cars, and dig the coal that power her electricity. her goal is simple, to bully the
american voter out of voting for change. >> so, you know, this is -- like i said, this is fantastic, nicolle. you go ahead, people get t-shirts. you talk about this. you get the individuals up there. everybody says, hey, they're not deplorable, right? kind of reminds me of the campaign you were involved in in 2008, where, you know, but on the other side. here, you pick out people that aren't racist, aren't xenophobic, aren't bigoted. aren't this, aren't that. put them on stage, it's very strong. reminds me of 2008 on the other side of the spectrum, you had sarah palin speaking to 10,000 people while joe biden was speaking to 142 people. but news agencies would furiously go through the entire crowd praying to the news gods they could find a sign to say, look, this person said that barack obama was a socialist. >> you always can find a bad apple. you can always find somebody deplorable in any politician's crowd. >> and you can always find somebody good.
>> my only point was she's not -- the road to the white house doesn't wind its way through insulting 25% of the population no matter how deplorable a politician thinks they are. the road to the white house winds through a sustained attack on your opponent. that's not what she's engaged in now. >> what are the numbers? what are the numbers for trump supporter snz. >> on some of these policies? >> the muslim ban, because donald trump really has, i will just say, a lot of nerve talking about hatred in hillary clinton's heart when he starts out by talking about mexican rapists. >> we checked to make sure he hadn't plagiarized because that was almost lifted from what she says. so she gave a speech a week before, i think this might have been on her brain, a week before she made that deplorables in a fruit basket comment, she gave what i thought was a really smart speech, i wish a republican had given it, about his connection to the kkk and the alt-right. that's where she should go.
on cnn at 5:00 last night, mike pence was given an opportunity to denounce david duke and he passed on it. wolf blitzer said is david duke deplorable, and he wouldn't answer. >> we have the sound for that. you have mexican rapists he talked about, what he said about obviously muslims, the muslim ban. straight out of germany 1933. you can go to specifics. >> exactly. >> one after another after another. >> women bleeding out of their eyes. >> wherever. i was talking her ears. and you can go on and on and on and on. again, very specific there. >> i want to stress something because it is the candidate, obviously. but there is also demonstrably an uptick in racism from people supporting donald trump. i know this. i get the anti-semitic e-mails in my inbox all the time. other reporters who cover the trump campaign are constantly receiving vitriol in a way that is abnormal for normal campaigns. we talked about -- >> well --
>> no, no. looking at a camera for sarah palin supporters to get an image. that is on a different level during this campaign with donald trump. it is. >> let me tell you something. in 2008, i could say barack obama was the greatest person that jesus ever produced, and could speak better than fdr, et cetera, et cetera. but he should wear a red tie instead of a blue tie. the vitriol and the hatred that was spewed towards me in 2008 was like nothing i have ever seen before in my life. i understand, now, we were sort of positive towards bernie. i understand the hatred and the animosity and the vitriol, especially towards women, from some of bernie sanders' supporters was over the top and unlike anything that women reporting had ever seen before. so this happens all around.
i think what we have to look at, though, are objective numbers, and mika, that's exactly what dana milbank did. you can actually look and see how many tend to support racist views. >> right. >> how many are xenophobic. >> dana milbank write in the "washington post," half of trump supporters are racist. hillary clinton may have been unwise to say half of donald trump's supporters are racist and others deplorables, but she was not wrong. few people embrace the racist label, so let me help them. if you're very enthusiastic about a candidate who has based his campaign onlatinos, and african-americans, talked of banning muslims from the country, hesitated to disown the ku klux klan and employed anti-semitic imagery, well, you might be a racist. but if you're holding your nose and supporting trump only because you think him better than clinton, that doesn't put you in the basket.
the new "washington post" abc news poll finds the two groups roughly equal. 46% of trump supporters say they are very enthusiastic about his candidacy. the rest were somewhat ornot terribly enthusiastic, which, joe, leads me back to you because you said something fascinating yesterday. the only person -- >> what did you say? >> oh, my god. i slept through it. >> i did, too. what did i say? >> you said that this might actually be -- might have been strategic on her part. is that a safe way of putting it? >> i said that this, at the end of the day, could be strategic. what trump always does is makes a controversial statement. gets everybody talking about trump. it usually gets people talking about trump on his territory. after paris, he'll say something outrageous. barack obama may have known something about this. everybody is outraged. >> people are saying. >> people are saying. but you're talking about terrorism for a week or two. he thinks that's his strong suit.
here, she says half of the supporters are apologized. people epikeep talking about it. it forces people to look at who is supporting donald trump. we have the poll from yesterday, and the poll from yesterday showed certainly the last time these sort of polls were taken in the primary, it shows an outrageously high number of trump supporters support a muslim ban, support a national database, if you're a muslim, you have to check in. i guess, i don't know, instead of the star of david, maybe they put another patch on you. an outrageous number actually said they wanted to make islam illegal in the united states. you can call that a lot of things, okay. i call it deplorable. >> right. >> you want to ban a religion from the united states because you don't understand it. so i think hillary clinton, if this debate continues --
>> may be on to something. >> may actually be on to something. >> you get questions like mike pence got yesterday. >> i'm sorry, mike. you can respond to this. this is what happened. i'm already dead inside. >> if you haven't died inside -- >> we'll lose. >> so this is why hillary clinton may have done what hillary clinton did. >> donald trump has denounced david duke repeatedly. we don't want his support, and we don't want the support of people who -- >> you call him a deplorable? >> no, not in the name calling business, wolf. you know me better than that. what hillary clinton did friday night was shocking. i mean, the millions of people who support donald trump around this country are not a basket of anything. they are americans. >> so mike barnicle. you now have mike pence refusing to call the imperial grand wizard of the ku klux klan, a man who donald trump pretended he didn't even know earlier in
this campaign, refused to call him, quote, deplorable. so i guess by their definition, nobody is deplorable. certainly vladimir putin not only is not deplorable. he's a boyfriend. you can go down the list. >> listen, hillary clinton standing up the other night and calling out racism and xenophobia and everything, that's a good thing. >> right. >> blaming it on voters is a bad thing. >> a bad thing. >> that was a mistake. >> on the other hand, and dana milbank's piece, i get where dana is coming from. i respect him very much. the vast majority of people who go to these trump reallies, you have been at the rallies, i have been at the rallies. you can't really decipher what they're hearing when they hear -- everybody is hearing their own thing. >> right. >> it's largely because a lot of the trump supporters, i'm not going to say a majority, i'm not
going to call them deplorables, but a lot of them feel the system, the political system and candidates for every office, locally, state wide, and federally, have not been speaking to their needs and their lives. >> and donald trump speaks to them in a way that nobody else does. >> that's what they hear. you can't blame them. >> i don't blame them. i do think it's important, as you note, to call out racism where it is. that means noting that a portion, not half, because it's not half, a portion of donald trump's base is racist. you have to say it. i think where she erred is not just saying in half of them, but saying they're irredeemable. that makes her seem like -- >> that was horrible. >> she's saying these people, i can't even talk to, i don't even want to talk to. that's the problem. >> still ahead on "morning joe," we'll get a live report from nbc's kristen welker as bill clinton picks up his wife's events as she recuperates. plus, the former budget director under ronald reagan joins us. he acknowledges that donald trump doesn't have many clear policy positions and that it's actually a good thing.
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citing ronald reagan's policies as a blueprint to reforming the system. but our next guest says reagan could actually thank jfk for putting supply side economics on the national stage. joining us now, cnbc national contributor larry kudlow who is an informal economic adviser to the trump campaign. larry is the author of the new book "jfk and the reagan revolution, a secret history of american prosperity." >> tell us about the book. >> the basic story of the book is, the real pioneer for supply side tax cuts was john f. kennedy, the democrat. first time since the 1920s the tax cuts were made, and his treasury secretary who was a republican, douglas dillon, was the main driver in this story, and kennedy wound up rejecting his liberal academic pals and went with dillon. slashed tax rates across the board, top, middle, low, corporate, everything, and it
works. it worked v eed very well. >> i haven't seen the supply side economics portion of the kennedy library. would the kennedys take offense to that characterization. >> who knows what john f. kennedy would think, but larry is absolutely correct on the mechanics of what happened in the early '60s. the question today, larry, and your encouragement of a tax policy similar to what jack kennedy did and what ronald reagan did. technology today has played such an enormous role in reshaping our economy. do you think it would still work the way it worked in the early 1960s today? >> i do. i think -- you're right about the technology revolution. a lot of that was spurred, by the way, by lower tax rates, which provided more incentives and rewards to go out there and take a risk and swing from the heels. fail, go back and start again. look, the point we're making is reagan took kennedy's tax cuts. i mean, it's usually if you don't like tax cuts, you go
after reagan. reality is you should go after jfk. jack kemp and some others, i was in the reagan administration, but during the late '70s, jack kemp and some others went to reagan and said, we want to use the jfk tax cuts. 30% across the board, and reagan adopted that policy. very good at it. in terms of today, i think, mike, i would like to see total tax reform, a real simpler system and the lowest rates possible. but, but, the most important issue in my view now is business taxes. which are way too high and completely uncompetitive around the world. and to me, that's the equivalent of the 91% tax rate. >> clinton is going to give you a real argument on that. >> paul crudman and i have never agreed on anything, so that's not shocking to me. but you talk to almost anybody, seriously, you can talk to larry summers. almost a consensus in washington, d.c. today about the need to cut corporate tax rates, and by the way, it's for large
and small companies. that's the key point there. and i think you would reignite a tremendous economic boom. >> we haven't had growth in 15 years. >> important context, the top tax rate for kennedy was 91%. in terms of deciding who is the supply side or not, you characterize donald trump as a supply sider, just yes or no? >> he's got a supply side tax cut program. >> are you worried -- >> very much jfk/reagan tradition. >> you're a deficit hawk. are you worried about the fact there's a huge tax cut on one hand and on the same hand, he wants a massive infrastructure deal. he wants to get rid of the sequestration of the military, he has said he doesn't want to touch entitlement programs like social security and medicare. are you worried there's no way to get this math to actually work? >> well, actually, by the way, i'm really not a deficit hawk. i'm a growth guy.
i have always been a growth guy. so the answer to your question is, working on a lot of the details in the campaign informally, but yeah, the numbers are working out very nicely. >> they are? >> yes, they are. we have made some tweaks here and there. we have added some things and taken some things out. mr. trump is speaking on thursday at the new york economics club. i think some of those details will be unveiled. i'm not in a position to say right now. but those numbers are going to be fine. the numbers never work. i mean, i don't believe these big estimating models. but you know, i accept your point. and that will be a main theme, is to try to make it as close to revenue neutral as possible. >> i have one more question. as an informal adviser to the trump campaign, can you tell me what his position is on the minimum wage? i can't figure out if he wants to raise it or lower it in. >> his position is, if you have to do it, let the states do it not the federal government. talking to him, i think that's his basic view. look, let me be clear. the book is not about this election. >> sure, right. >> the book is about the jfk
story predominantly and how reagan adopted it and how reagan quoted kennedy all the time. that's all been lost to history. i do say this. i don't see why tax cuts in general, specifically the business tax cuts, have to be a republican or a democratic issue. >> what's -- >> i don't think it needs to be. >> what should the corporate tax rate be? >> 40% federal and state level. >> what should it be? >> oh, well, at the end of the day, i would have zero. i would abolish it myself. trump is 15% for large and small companies. >> why would you abolish it? >> it's a waste. we don't make money. it cause uz double and triple taxation. but i'm a flat tax guy. i would get rid of all that stuff. and mr. trump is at 15%. particularly for small businesses, which i think is really key to his own policies. now, jfk didn't do much. he did cut the corporate rate, not enough. president reagan cut it but not enough. it came down later on in the
1986 tax bill. but if you don't like supply side, i mean, i get that. some people don't like the tax cuts. sure, blame reagan. blame kudlow, blame my co-author, brian. but you shouldn't blame jfk, because he was the pioneer. >> trying to drag him into the party, aren't you? >> if he were around, joe, if he were around, he would be a republican. he would be a republican. >> that works because your candidate is a democrat. >> we could talk about that. jfk would be a supply-side hawkish republican today. >> and donald trump is a democrat, has been for 55 years. >> i was a democrat. >> yeah, long, long time ago. >> that is true. reagan was a democrat. all the great ones were democrats. >> would reagan today be a republican? >> yes, he would. >> imknragz reform. >> yes. >> jfk and the reagan revolution is out now. larry kudlow, thank you. >> we love having you, larry. thank you so much for being
here. >> coming up on "morning joe," democrats have plenty of faith in tim kaine. >> he is a wonderfully prepared person to be the vice president and to be the president if that ever became necessary. >> come on. don't do that. >> that was sort of like -- >> that was not good. >> you know what. >> listen, you can have ung eun festus' office when he dies. >> that was former ohio governor and possible senator ted strickland. are democrat s concerned about hillary clinton's health. kristen welker joins us ahead after this. ♪ americans are buying more and more of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the united states postal service
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hillary clinton says she's feeling much better as she recovers from a bout of pneumonia. last night, clinton acknowledged she continued to keep up with the packed campaign schedule in spite of the advice from her physician to rest five days. joining us from chappaqua, new york, kristen welker who is covering the clinton campaign. kristen. >> hey, there, mika. well, look, i have spent the past 24 hours talking to a range of folks, everyone from voters to elected officials and democratic strategists.
my sense is there are some democrats who are in full bed-wetting mode over this rough patch secretary clinton has had, but not all of them. there is sense she has time to recover and there are a couple reasons why. the first is that at this point in time, there's no real evidence donald trump is greatly expanding his base. he's made that pitch to african-american voters, latinos, but a lot of voters feel as though that is coming too little too late and then the poll that shows 60% of voters think he's biased against women and minorities. the second is that you have the debates there. one democratic strategist said to me it is better for secretary clinton to spend the next ten days resting and to come back in strong form in the debates and show that she can be more presidential than donald trump. they say that is going to be the greatest test. and then there's also this sense when you talk to voters, there's an empathy. they say, look, we know what it's like to get sick and feel as though you have to go to work anyway. and then finally, secretary clinton does have a strong bench
of surrogates who are about to get out on the trail for her. of course, former president bill clinton set to go out to the west coast today to step in for his wife. and he was on charlie rose. take a listen to what he had to say. >> she had two and a half hard days before the day when she got dizzy. but i think she's fine now. the doctor seems to think so. today she made a decision which i think was correct to cancel her campaign day. >> right. >> to take one more day to rest. but she looked like a million bucks this morning. i can tell she's feeling a lot better. >> is it possible she will be away for weeks from the campaign trail? >> no, not a shot. i'll be lucky to hold her back another day. >> and of course, president obama hits the trail for her today in philadelphia. she he's going to be really critical because she's underperforming in some of his key groups who voted for him, groups like latinos and young voters.
he's going to be critical, rallying the obama coalition which she needs to win in november. >> kristen welker, thank you very much. >> and then there is this. the co-chair of the veterans for trump coalition -- >> we have already heard from him. the new hampshire guy? >> the same guy. >> the same guy? >> a different one. a different one, mike. >> is this a different one from the one that said that hillary clinton should be shot? >> we'll find out. >> this one says that he believes hillary clinton has parkinson's disease. yesterday, daniel tambarela, co-chair of veterans for trump, trump's new hampshire veterans people have two of these. wrote on his facebook page, quote, my dad had parkinson's since 1989 so i know a bit about the disease. they may have admitted hillary clinton has pneumonia, but that's not why she has pneumonia. i believe she has pneumonia caused by parkinson's disease.
>> is that a doctor saying that? >> he also speculated clinton is hiding a medical device under her clothes. he is a trump delegate at the rnc and is also a new hampshire state representative. not to be confused with fellow rep and fellow trump veteran coalition co-chair al baldazaro, who repeatedly called for clinton to be shot in a firing squad because of treason. it feels to me that that's deplorable. but who am i to say? it feels to me that might be, and some might say it is, deplorable. >> some might. you're not saying, but some might. >> some might say. people are saying it. >> people are saying it. >> something is going on. >> you're not saying it. >> that is doplorable. >> some might say that, right? >> we don't want to get into name calling. >> they happen to be people who support donald trump. i'm just -- some say. something is going on. gr you're like mike pence. >> that whole thing about when
they asked if hitler was deplorable -- >> seriously, my mama raised me better than that. >> mike pence ought to talk to donald trump because he's called me many names on twitter. among many other people. so he ought to talk to his candidate about being deplorable. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls... and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. seconds can mean the difference between life and death. for partners in health, time is life.
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joining us now, former budget director under president reagan, david stockman. his new book is "trumped, a nation on the branch of ruin and how to bring it back." >> david stockman, i must say i am shocked. shocked, shocked. out today, in e-book, but your contention, it has to start mare and it has to start with donald trump. donald trump, though, as you know, in all of the years you were fighting for the cause, he has been a big government democrat. do you start there? >> no, i start with an indictment of the status quo. >> right. >> i start with an indictment of
hillary's 30-year-old bag of deplorables. i'm talking about ideas, policies, record, not supporters. >> you don't have a lot of options. >> the thing is she has been a warmonger for the last 30 years. there isn't a war from kosovo to iraq several times to libya to syria to yemen that she didn't think was a great thing. >> totally get you. what about donald trump? >> you must love the iran deal, then? >> no, i don't. i support the iran deal. i think it's a good thing. >> you do? >> he's a little off base on that. here's the thing. he is basically saying that we're not the world policemen. we're not the indispensable nation. things like nato are obsolete. that should have been dissolved in 1991 when the cold war ended. it was set up because there were 50,000 soviet tanks on the central front. >> but donald trump is a big -- >> he has said -- >> donald trump is a big government liberal. >> well --
>> you and i both know, and i know enough about you to know that entitlement spending is not sustainable. it's going to destroy our economy in the years to come. >> i agree. >> donald trump says he's not going to even touch entitlements. >> my book lays out very clearly that he doesn't have a program, that half of his ideas are wrong. that social security has to be addressed. means tested now. but on the other hand, i think the heart of the problem is the federal reserve. it's destroying capitalism. it's turning wall street into a casino. it's showered stupendous windfalls on -- >> what is donald trump going to do to the fed? >> he said yesterday janet yellen should be ashamed of herself and he's right and she should be because the idea of 93 months of zero interest rate has done nothing for fly-over america. >> tell us about fly-over america. why are we where we are? we obviously are all going to disagree with you here on some of the contentions you made, and mika, poor, poor mika here,
really upset. >> crazy. >> that's what donald says. >> and neurotic. >> he does say that, too. >> and very, very dumb. >> he does say that, too. >> let's talk about fly-over america, though. i would love you to explain why at least since the '70s people in, quote, fly-over space keep falling farthurther and further behind. >> they're falling further and further behind, and let's get some facts. number one, if you look at real inflation, and it's silly that the fed is trying to spur 2% inflation because that means their wages are falling further and further behind because they're competing with china, with india, with the rest of the e.m. so the fed's policy of spurring inflation is totally wrong, and as a result of that, real incomes for the households of america are down 20% if you count inflation. i would get rid of the fed's 2% target. secondly, it is crushing savers. in fly-over america, they don't
save very much. they can't. they don't have the discretionary income, but what they do save is worth nothing today because that free money goes to wall street. savererize being destroyed. i would say the heart of the problem is the federal reserve. >> lightning round. >> you don't look like elizabeth warren, but you sound like elizabeth warren. >> donald trump is more likely to take on wall street than hillary. after all, hillary was for sweet nothings and gets $700,000 a speech. hillary thinks the fed is doing a wonderful thing and that janet yellen is an american hero. >> are you in favor of raising the minimum wage? >> i think it would be a mistake in a world of robotics where you would destroy millions of low-wage entry jobs. good you want to help low-wage people, you improve the earned income tax credit.
if people earned $8 an hour, top it off with $4 or $5 of earned income credit. if you try to go in the market and manipulate and set wages, you're going to drive -- >> you think hillary would be a closer friend to wall street? which one of the candidates wants to gut the consumer financial protection bureau? >> the consumer financial protection bureau -- they just won a huge, huge settlement from wells fargo. >> i have a better idea. glass-steagall reinstalled. super glass-steagall. i argue for in my book. break up the big banks. you can't regulate them. you can't have a couple hundred bureaucrats at the consumer protection bureau chasing around what all of these giant banks are doing. big bank of america, $100 billion in fines, penalties, and settlements over the last eight years. bank of america is damn near a criminal organization. it ought to be shut down. >> this is a little awkward. >> it ought to be broken up.
i don't know if trump would go that far or not. i seriously doubt it, but i haven't seen any evidence that hillary and her cautery of what i call imperious city -- >> thank you. >> so alex is jelling at us that we're late to break. >> thank you, david, for being here. come back when we have more time. >> tomorrow's show, we'll be joined by house minority leader nancy pelosi, "new york times" columnist maureen dowd, and vicente fox. we're back in a moment with more "morning joe." if we don't solve our debt problem 19 trillion and growing money for programs like education will shrink. in just 8 years, interest on the debt will be our third largest federal program. bad news for small businesses.
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>> absolutely. >> he should not retire. i know he's going to. >> seven wins in a row. mike, what did you learn? >> michael hayden was very instructive when he called donald trump the current face of authoritarian populism. >> take it away. go ahead. >> i learned that david stockman doesn't like bank of america. >> no. that does it for us. did you know that ann funuken is on fortune most powerful women. she's above beyonce. better watch out. might get a raise in your allowance. >> stephanie ruhle is set for coverage now. >> i'm a fan of ann. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. we have breaking news overnight to cover. on the defense, hillary clinton speaking out against her health care scare. >> probably would have been better off if i pulled down my schedule on friday, but like a lot of people, i just thought i