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nguyen and lewis bergdorf. i really have no view. i just hope she gets better and can get back out. i have no view. i just don't want to get to get involved with it. i pe she will be fine and continue on ward. >> in all fairness she's lying in bed and getting better, we want herbert and back on trail, right? we want her back on the trail. it is hot and it's always hot when i perform because the crowds are so big. these rooms were not designed for this kind of a crowd. i don't know, folks, you think hillary would able to stand up here for an hour and do this? i don't. i don't think so. i don't think so. at least it's performance, right? good morning everyone. did you hear that? >> i heard it. >> it's thus, september 15. joe has the morning off. with us on set is veteran
columnist mike barnacle. managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host, mark halperin. donny deutsch. he was co-host of that show yesterday. what are you doing, halperin? >> he was really good. >> he was >> oh, my goodness. he's got his finishing attorney pulse of real america and talks about hillary clinton and donald trump as if he knows them both. >> he does. you're on again this evening >> once again, paulie shore was not available. >> try not to embarrass us. national correspondent for bloomberg business week and political columnist for the "boston globe" josh green is with us on set. in washington, msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. good to have you back on, michael. i need to you explain this for us. we begin with more polls showing donald trump gaining ground on hillary clinton.
a new national quinnipiac poll shows clinton leading trump by five points but trump is benefiting from the five point swing in his favor since last month. her lead shrinks to two when the party candidates are added in, gary johnson at 13%. a poll of ohio voters has trump at 5% in two way poll first time he's hit that mark in that state. hillary clinton is at 46%. when expanded to the four way with third-party candidates he leads clinton by five points. that's the same margin as the bloomberg poll that came out yesterday. cnn has a florida poll showing trump leading by three in that state, 47-44. in nevada, despite a sinking favorable rating a monmouth university poll finds the race has flipped in trump's favor from july. he now leads 44-42 over clinton there inside the margin of
error. i'm going to start with mark halperin. tell me what you think is happening. >> trump is consolidating support amongst republicans. the campaign has focused on a few key states. it's reflecting what's going on. but i believe right now this is primarily a four state election, florida and ohio look to be right now and trump has an edge in both those states. north carolina which is very close and then pennsylvania. i think that the trump campaign, it's hard to argue right now that they don't have the momentum -- they have momentum and it's fascinating to see what hillary clinton comes back out on the trail today. she's still the favorite in the race. >> first i want to jump to michael steele. when you look at polls like this, does it show that something trump is doing is working or what does it reflect? >> i think it reflects a couple
of things, mika. a lot what we've talked about back and forth on the show at various times and that's the attitude of the american people. after labor day they settle down, start to look at these candidates differently. that's number one. mark has it exactly right. the trump campaign with kellyann conway on board has consolidated. they act and function like a campaign and doing the things they need to do. there's a greater coordination on the ground between the national party and state parties on behalf of trump. that's been helpful. a lot of synergy beginning to line up. as you head into this debate in a week that makes this very, very interesting. of course the past week, has not been helpful for hillary clinton either. that's assisted trump in turning these numbers more in his favor. >> mike barnacle? >> josh, state of ohio a big ball game. business week, you have a
special interest. you live in ohio practically. >> what we did is we teamed one with the data science firm to find the most intensely pro trump, pro clinton areas and went there and talked to ordinary people. not rally goers or politicians. what we found explains the story of the race. the most pro clinton area neighborhoods in southeast cleveland heavily african-american. they are for clinton but not excited about her. time and time again people would tell me we'll vote for her we never considered donald trump but we don't have the passion that we did for obama in '08. most trump district youngstown, ohio, very blue, labor friendly area and it's a story of what's happening, what's pushed trump into the lead. you had thousands of democrats switch registration in the spring. vote republican in the primary for donald trump. so trump is turning democrats
into republicans. >> in the piece or in your travels in ohio yesterday big story on the pages of every american newspaper, the economy is on the rebound. do you get any sense of this from the workers in ohio >> one of the surprising things. die. both of these areas, southeast cleveland, youngstown, economically distressed but both sets of people had a feeling that things were gradually getting better. i didn't encounter a lot of anger or cautious apartmentism. if you look at the internals of the new bloomberg poll we have the favorability about the ohio voters, 50%. they are doing okay. >> i have optic issues for donny deutsch. hillary clinton is set to return campaigning today with events in north carolina and washington, d.c. she spent three days off the road recuperating at home in
chappaqua. they are doctor released that she also takes a blood thinner. and a tube was put in her ear in january of this year after a sinus and ear infection. her fz said she's otherwise healthy and in excellent mental condition. i'm told to keep going but i just want to pause for a second. i think that's worth pausing that they pointed that out because i think we all know that. pointing it out, what's it's doing, donny? >> i want to you keep reading because i want to hear from donald trump's mental. i would like to hear that. you know, you asked me the optics. i want to bounce back to the ohio polls for a second before i get to hillary. why this to mesa big deal for trump beyond the actual numbers and this is a critical state. it's carried every election since '64. if you go back to trump in the primaries his weapon of choice
is i'm winning you're not. he had 16 people. every time they said you have no experience, donald you said horrible things about the muslim. i'm ahead in the polls. look at me, look authentic. he's not had this weapon in the last six weeks. be interesting to watch donald from behind i thought his head would explode. it hasn't. now as we head into the debate next week he has this weapon, winning. i'm on top. i'm on top. i'm on top. it's a very powerful weapon. you never heard hillary use that. so your discussion how women are not good about -- >> i'm writing about this. >> pounding their chest. >> it's making a difference for her. >> it's shame that the day after donald trump was on a daytime show dr. >> dr. oz. >> pointing to his own goofy jerry garcia doctor saying nothing on a day that hillary clinton listed and mark went
over in great detail 17 or 20 or 24 facts about actual documentation about her health, we're still talking about her health and not his health. >> right. >> it's a travesty and a sham. we talked yesterday, mark, does donald have to match her point for point and he won't and the american public willett her get away with it. she's a windex glass. >> she has to step up on some levels. it's the part that's fixable. she's got the experience. she trumps him on every level. she has to go out there and fight it in a real way. donald trump also revealed more about his own health. in a taping with dr. oz, that's airing today -- >> if your health is as strong as it sfreems your view of systems why not share your medical records? >> i have no problem in doing
it. i have it right here. should i do it? i don't care. [ applause ] >> it's too letters one is the report and one is from lennox hill. >> may i see it? >> this is what was done. >> if elected at age 70 you'll be the oldest person ever to enter the oval office. >> why do you think you have the stamina? >> about the same age as ronald reagan. and hill va year behind me. i don't know if this makes sense. i feel as good today as i did when i was 30. >> i want to bring up one other thing that there are certain traditional problems that all 70 year olds have, hyper tension. so i wonder if he releases his transcripts -- these are facts.
he's 70 years old. >> donny is just all about facts. >> i didn't hear that. i didn't hear that. i have no idea. i'm not even looking at you. i'm looking at mark halperin. >> can we pause here? >> no. >> it raises the question, dr. oz and donald trump on that set and donald trump saying to the audience and dr. oz saying should i. we have a con game masquerading as an election. >> he's up five in ohio. >> up five in ohio. also, apparently -- >> the exact thing he'll use any time somebody criticizes him. >> up five in ohio. also talked about his blood work which he says is normal. he says he gets cancer screenings annually. also dr. oz apparently said that up five in ohio is slightly over
weight. >> so what. who isn't? >> right. hello. >> josh is not. >> josh you're looking okay. >> i got a clean bill of health from dr. deutsche. >> aldony does is look in the mirror and exercise. >> i'm trying to bring a level -- >> i can believe what you just said. don't you talk to me about levels of intellectual. >> i'm looking at what are typical health issues for 70-year-old plus people and that jumped out at me. >> what are you talking about? >> go ahead. >> no. it's unbelievable. >> i don't understand why you guys won't talk about science. >> and statistics. >> i would say that what donny is saying is ridiculous but what up five in ohio did on dr. oz matches. okay. so one audience member tells nbc news that trump said authenticate likes fast food. because at least he knows what's in it.
i'm getting a lot of omgs on text. omg from my friend vicki. yeah, donny, that's for you. >> quality control that the national chains bring. >> right. i'm sure he does. >> i'm with him on that. >> popeye's. >> up five in ohio also says, and ohio this is for you because these pollings are well there, that campaigning is his exercise. see when he's moving his arms around, he says when he does that that's his work out. >> he's holding invisible weights. he has ten pounds in each hand. see. look. jane fonda eat your heart out. >> oh, my gosh he can do a work out video. >> i don't even know what to say. why don't we do this. for the first time in a century
new hampshire's union leader the largest newspaper will not be endorsing the republican nominee for president. so up five in ohio, not so good in new hampshire as it pertains to the union leader. it's backing libertarian candidate gary johnson. everything is upside down. the nap's publisher has been critical of donald trump and writes in part this. trump is a liar, a bully, a buffoon. he denigrates any individual or group that displeases him. americans are being told we have to choose the lesser of two evils. no we don't. this is johnson's third newspaper endorsemen. the richmond times came first on september 3rd followed by north carolina's winston-salem journal about a week later. the presence of third-party candidates chips away at hillary clinton's support slightly more than donald trump's. the poll shows johnson supporters when forced to choose between clinton and trump choose
clinton at a higher rate than trump 39% to 35%. stein supporters break slightly. >> you know what's interesting -- >> yes but i have a question but go ahead. >> the public liberiaer of the union leader, no surprise what's interesting to see if he picks up on the fact that corey le lewandowski, he has a little mail box at the end of his driveway the man chest engineer union leader, will it be picked up on his participation. >> gary johnson gets 9, 10, times. >> in that ohio clinton he cuts into her young voters. >> there's something here.
i got to ask barnacle. why isn't well at the top of the ticket? >> they've had a couple of discussions about flipping that ticket. >> that ticket needs to be flipped. >> little too late for that. >> it. >> why isn't he at the top? >> they had discussions -- >> comes up all time. but too late for that. >> if they had done that and made the debate my money would be on bill well. >> so many people voting for bill. why did it not even start out that way. michael steele if you had that ticket what would you do with it? >> bill well would be at the top for sure and i think it would have a dramatic impact on the race. i think they would be at or above 15% in the polls. >> who doesn't know this? >> well could have gotten the nomination. >> that's problem >> he has deep roots. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe"
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ju. you think it's okay to make unlawful contributions out of your family foundation and then attack my foundation that saved personal lives in my foundation. we put millions of dollars into it. you think that's okay. well he's your guy. >> all right. former president bill clinton on the campaign trail yesterday criticizes donald trump and the contributions he made to his family foundation. well new documents released by
the "new york times," the new york attorney general shed light on the $25,000 donation made in 2013 by the donald j. trump foundation to a political group connected to florida attorney general. remember this? a copy of actual, the actual check obtained by the "new york times" signed by donald trump is dated september 9, 2013. four days before bondy's office said publicly it was reviewing complaints about trump university. that appears to challenge the argument that the trump foundation's donation was made in response to the possibility of an investigation. both trump and bondy have said they never discussed the complaints against trump university. trump paid $2,500 penalty imposed on the foundation for failing to disclose the donation to the irs. he also repaid the $25,000 to
the foundation which said the gift was an error. so still a little convoluted and we'll be following that but worth saying given how -- >> in anyway it be a solves the fact it was four days before. it's a strange coincidence. i'm not a big coincidence guy but -- >> still have to work on facts. >> we might be able to as public service offer some light on this because david from "the washington post" ought to be nominated for pulitzer prize given the work he's done on aspects of the trump fortune and things specifically like what's happened in florida. >> we can focus on the foundation. we got this new report from "newsweek" that examines the trump's organization global ties, including deals in russia, india and turkey. suggesting daunting challenges for the republican to separate
himself from it as president. as its offered it will be explained to chris hayes last night on all in. >> trump has about 500 different partnerships, entities that are subsidiaries of the trump organization. i focused on the overseas ones and every time i was able to track one down, every tim i was able to look at them, these were. people who were tied to governments very closely, much more so than you would find in the united states. they were involved in illegal activities. their interests were not aligned with the interests of the united states of america. so, you have a situation where donald trump is going to have to choose. he's going to have to choose a partner who is giving him money, who is giving his kids money, or the interest of the united states. and there has never ever in the history of america been a scenario like that.
>> and so you also have similar strains of stories as it pertains to hillary clinton's speech money, from financial institutions, foundation ties to foreign governments. so you got some kind of parallel similarities on this whether or not there's influence, and then you look at the personalities, do you think donald trump who is literally baited by a tweet or baited by something like a morning show host says on tv, do you think he has the self-discipline to separate when someo someone has actually given a great deal of known him. can he put it out of his head and govern effectively and be a real leader. who do you think has the capacity to separate in their mind and do the right thing. anybody? >> still coming back to the fact that trump has run his entire campaign on hillary being
entrenched in the establishment industrial complex and murky relationships and her nontransparency. where he trumps her no point intended in those coordination 10-1. every business dealing is either dark or murky or sleazy. every single one. yet the press, so ironic how the press has painted this left leaning -- other than "the washington post" gives him a pass. going back to tax returns. people should not let up. they don't let up on hillary's emails. people should not let up on these issues. those 500 entities that was talked about, a trump organization. he has 500 subentities. i want to know more. >> all of this stuff should be screw tiized. whether he wins or not. i'll say on the other side the premise that someone with international business holdings shouldn't be loud to run for president because there's no way
to disentangle that i'm not comfortable with that. i think business people should be allowed to run for president. we should see his tax returns. if he wins he should convince people there's a way to convince there's no conflict of interest. >> if he were ever to be elected to be president of the united states, could he continue operating his business. >> he says he wouldn't. >> why does this man not have to do it, every man or woman who has run for office -- >> he does. >> why? tax returns that shows how you lived your life as an american citizen, how you own you were to responsibilities and how day after day, every media out let does not pound, pound, pound. you're running for president of the united states. how dare you say we're not going to see your tax returns.
how dare you. you're in audit? everybody has come out and said that has nothing to do with it. >> donny, i appreciate your exercised viewpoint there but, you know, this is the reality of it. your exercise, the press has exercised but the american people apparently aren't. show me the poll where 60% of the people are saying i want to see your tax returns. that's donald trump's safe-haven. he's so past that at this point. it's not resonating the way it resonates four and lot of other people and that's why you don't see the pressure on him. >> that's absolutely right. if you look at the bloomberg poll of ohio voters don't care a lot about tax returns. you know what they do care about? foreign entanglements. they care about hillary clinton's foreign entanglements including her own supporters in the fact that she's these clinton foundation problems makes her unable to press this issue against trump. and i think that's one reason why.
i disagree. i do think the press has been hammering trump anthony but hillary hasn't because she can't and voters don't care about the tax return tissue same way they do about some of these foreign entanglements. >> in response to the news week story clinton's campaign called the trump organization's ties quote dangerous and put out a list of 20 questions about conflicts of interest that they say trump needs to answer. presidential nominee tim kaine is calling on trump to shut down the trump organization. he made his case based on the ties the articles examined. >> if we have a president who is paying how my own bottom line is doing he'll pay less attention to the bottom line of the city, state or country. he should make a commitment to shut down this money make trump for profit organization if he were to become president. >> responding to the potential conflicts of interest, trump
organization executive vice president ivanka trump said her father will put the company into a blind trust. >> you and your family do to prevent any potential conflicts of santa anita >> there's something so much bigger than our business at stake and that's the future of this country. as a private business, we can make decisions that are not in our best interest. we're not beholding to anyone to shareholders. we can say, you know what? we'll do less deals. we don't do that deal. it's a fine deal, economically reasonable because could it create a conflict of interest and we'll act incredibly responsibly and my father said he would put the company in a blind trust in a rent by us and he's been articulate and outspoken on this. this is so much bigger than another deal. we recognize that. >> boy is she good. >> the chief white house ethics lawyer for george w. bush said the conflicts of interest are far too great.
a blind trust would not work in trump's case are known not blind and his children are not independent trustees. how would you like forget and go blind on everything that has transpired in terms of your dealings with other countries. need to see the tax returns. >> if he won much more complicated than they suggested than ivanka suggested. >> do people care about this? alex you have a poll. 62% said yes, i believe in a monmouth -- >> there's the poll -- >> this is on the tax returns. this is august. it is important? 62%. i do think people want to see the tax returns. that's a pretty basic requirement while you're making decisions about a candidate. >> i think they want the question answered that josh raised. does he, is he getting money from russia? that's the deal. >> michael steele? >> no, i think that's right. this is so easy.
just put numbers out there. put the tax returns out there. the reality of is for both of these individuals whether it's health records or tax returns when you become president you have to disclose that stuff anyway. you don't get away with it as president not sharing your tax returns and do you want a bomb shell explode in the first six months or year of your four dwraerm. i don't think so. deal with it now. put it behind and move on for clinton and donald trump. >> clinton has done it. she released her health records yesterday in great detail and donald trump was with dr. oz talking about he likes fast foods. one has, one hasn't. >> going to the point that josh has people have concerns about foundation and the entajments that server had little to do with benghazi but everything to do with the dollars flowing through the foundation. people are curious about that.
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he hasn't lifted one finger for the people of flint. we know the truth and the truth is donald trump doesn't give a rip about flint. so my message today is pretty clear. donald trump, go home. >> that was flint, michigan leaders just before donald trump's arrival there yesterday where he continued his outreach to minorities. he toured the flint water treatment plant at the center of the lead charisma and thanked the very, very good executives. later he made remarks at bethel methodist church where he was interrupted several times. one person asked him if he ever discriminated against black tenants to which he responded no i would never would. this moment when he was interrupted by the church's pastor after launching in to an attack on hillary clinton. >> hillary failed on the economy. just like she's failed on foreign policy. everything she touched didn't work out.
nothing. now hillary clinton -- >> mr. trump, i invited you here to -- >> oh, okay. >> not to gave political speech. >> that's good. okay. >> a major announcement yesterday from one of the nation's largest carmakers, ford motors revealed it will move all of its north american small car production from the u.s. to mexico. the timing of the announcement played out perfectly for donald trump's flint visit, an area hit hard by the loss of auto worker jobs. >> ford is moving all small car production, all of it, 100% to mexico over the next two to three years. they will make their cars, employ thousands and thousands of people for the this country and they will sell the cars right through a very weak border, no tax, no nothing and we'll have nothing but more unemployment in flint and in michigan. >> michael steele, that was kind of a tough crowd for donald trump.
>> yeah. >> flint is where, i believe, hillary clinton really focused on flint and went there early on and i think people there probably feel like she has their backs. what do you make of teen pastor interrupting him? i thought he handled it quite well. designee handled it well and it was appropriate. she made it clear what the specific purpose of him there being. he went beyond that and she pulled him in. donald trump needs those moments in front of tough crowds. i applaud him for doing that. all the noise about where have you been, okay, i'm here now let's have the conversation. we're still two years into the problem in flint so all people who were standing supposedly standing with you and behind you on this clearly haven't done anything. so this refocuses attention on flint as we should have as a nation and i thought that the pastor and i applaud her for saying hey look this is not a political moment this is a
moment where you're talking to people in crisis. share with us your message. i thought as you said, mika, donald trump handled it well. >> i agree. pretty brave of her to give donald trump a hook in the middle of the speech. designee knew better than to, mike barnacle, to say anything but okay. >> he did handle it well. it was an awkward moment. two elements woven into that appearance. one astonish of flint itself which has been ongoing now for two years. >> unbelievable. >> they caught a plea deal of neglectful willful did you pi. and trump's appearance, i don't know the mechanics of the ford announcement of moving car production to mexico, i don't know what that means in terms of job loss but that's a tremendous service of get out the vote.
>> everybody i talked to in ohio was retired ford, retired gm and really, really angry about nafta that these jobs were moving away. >> something that trump is doing very right starting with louisiana, he's going out to the belly of the beast whether you like it or not his trip to new mexico, louisiana, flint, going the inner cities. and hillary who has been trying to run out the clock has to look at that and get out there and not just get out there where there's friendly audiences. give trump a lot of credit for it. >> it's goes the subservice of yesterday's major story in every american newspaper and network that the economy has rebounded much more so than it has in 20 possible iv years. go michigan today. >> but only for some people. >> coming up hillary clinton is warming up her campaign jet ahead of her first event since being side lined by pneumonia. andrea mitchell joins with us a live report from the tarmac straight ahead on "morning joe"
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favor with vladimir putin. he loves this guy. and when they interviewed him, asked him why do you support this guy? he's a strong guy. look he has an 82% poll rating. well yes. saddam hussein had a 90% poll rating. i mean if you control the media, and you've taken away erybody's civil liberties and you jail dissidents, that's what happens. when pollster calls you up and you support the guy and you don't support him he may through in jail you say yes i love that guy. i have to do business with putin, i have to do business with russia that's part of foreign policy but i don't go around saying that's my role model. can you imagine rshonald reagan idolizing somebody like that.
>> exactly. >> a mixed bag on him but i'll miss that guy. >> think what president obama just said. in this segment we have another example of pencing. you know what pencing is. >> i wasn't here yesterday. >> steel do you know what pencing is. have you ever penced. >> no. >> are you sure? >> i may have. >> you should never pence. not a good thing. not pretty. anyhow russia shirting back at president obama over his recent campaign trail comments about put that you just heard and his relationship with donald trump. you may recall the president said trump sees putin as a role model and characterized the russian leader as someone who inindividuals smaller countries and jails his opponents. yesterday kremlin spokesman dismissed the president's remarks as election rhetoric and
quote blatant russophobia. last night some pennsylvaniaing on the 11th hour with brian williams. it was true pencing. it was new jersey governor chris christie who compared donald trump's praise for russian president vladimir putin with that of george w. bush's when evaluating the republican party's stance towards america cold war adversary. >> that view of russia has evolved over time hasn't it? i remember the guy who appointed me u.s. attorney who you worked for said he looked into vladimir putin's eyes and saw his soul. that wasn't ronald reagan rhetoric. yet no one accused george bush of not being strong. i listened to donald trump for 15 years. i know how to hear him. he never said he likes vladimir putin. he's never said he agrees with his policies. he never said he agrees with the way he treats his own people. he said two central things he
admires his strength and that he's got good poll numbers. is anybody shocked donald trump faulk about somebody's poll numbers. >> george b. bush gotting slaughtered for that rarg and i don't like it when chris christie pences. he's not good at it. it's one thing he's not good at. >> conventional wisdom so crazy what trump is doing. putin has a 90% approval rating. i actually think it works for trump because i think on a visceral level what people react to is yeah we need a real s.o.b. in office, we need our lunatic. i don't think people are doing the math and saying we need a dick "today"or. that's the left brand. it's a visceral response that as much as most people know he's an evil, evil, putin is, the dotted line we need one not one to
massacre our journalists and the conventional wisdom it's idiotic and self-destructive. >> even if it was a good idea on a level you're talking about and i don't think it is, it gets so much attention it keeps it from talking about things that would be better for him even if that's good. >> what suburban swing voter mom wants to hear talk about put. it's not going to convince anybody who is not already firmly in trump's camp. >> putin and six weeks of paid maternity leave. >> what suburban mom wants to hear the republican candidate for president say that if the iranians so much as snap their fingers in the persian gulf we'll blow their boats out of the water if you got a couple of high school-age kids it's those kids who will go to fight. >> that's right. michael steele, go ahead. >> but i think you can't dismiss too quickly what donny has put his fingers on and it goes to
why trump has been able to move the political discourse the way he has. he talks in very straightforward plain terms and he's using language of strength and dominance sometimes that a lot of voters feel our political elite have not demonstrated over the past 20 years. so there is an underlying truth to what donny is saying that you just can't -- i don't think you can dismiss that quickly i don't think people looking at what he's saying about oh, i like dictators. what they do sense i appreciate you sense of strength. >> josh green, thank you very much. i'm being told we have to go mark halperin hold that thought. >> i'll say it next time. >> coming up two years ago dr. oz got grilled on capitol hill. >> i don't get why you need say this stuff because you know it's not true. so why when you have this amazing mega phone and this
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welcome back to "morning joe". it's thursday, september 15th. joe has the morning off. with us we have veteran columnist -- >> veteran. >> msnbc contributor mike barn cal. managing editor of bloomberg politics mark hall brooklyn. political correspondent steve kornacki. how are you doing this snormorn. you're not angry? long time ad man, lewd, very lewd. he was seriously lewd at 6:08 this morning -- >> marcus welby. >> i'm a man of science >> you're gross. why would you talk about that. who wants to hear about that at 6:08 in the morning. it was a lob. you're trying to tweak him because you know donald trump. >> it was 3:00 a.m. in l.a. to be fair.
>> health is a big issue and 70-year-olds, 60%, 70% have lost of hearing and 40% to 60% have erectile dysfunction. >> you're lewd. and i just -- anyhow just be quiet. yes, michael? >> i was going to ask donny do those two things go together >> which ones. >> you said loss of hearing and he erectile dysfunction. >> michael steele is with us. and nbc news political director moderator of "meet the press" and host of "mtp daily" hasn't gotten up and walked away is a good thing, chuck todd. hi, chuck. >> you know, i'm just not going
to say word this morning. you guys have your diagnoses. go for it. >> i'll talk about some polls. >> chuck too is a man of science. >> no chuck is a man of political analysis and we'll have some. >> dodgers 1-0 victory. hillary clinton's bounce after the convention is evaporating. clinton sleeding trump by five points george a quinnipiac poll. but trump is fwrefg a five point swing and her lead swings two when third-party candidates are added in. gary johnson is at 13%. cnn/orc battleground poll of ohio likely voters has trump at 50%. first time he's hit that mark in that state. hillary clinton is up 46%. when expanded to the four way with third-party candidates, he leads clinton by five points. that's the same margin as a bloomberg poll that came out yesterday.
cnn has a florida poll showing trump leading by three in that state, 47-44. in nevada despite sinking favorable rating a monmouth university poll finds the race has flipped in trump's favor from july. he now leads 44-42 over clinton there inside the margin of error. so let's go around the table. chuck i want to start with you, those in washington. what do you make of these? >> look she's taking on water pure and simple. last week they made themselves feel better because you saw, yes she eroded but you weren't seeing trump gaining you just saw her numbers go down. what's got scare them this week, they can nitpick about party idea in this poll and this poll may have the electorate this way the trend is the same. you're now seeing trump -- you're seeing his numbers start to tick up in these various polls. look, it's all accumulated.
it's all hitting her hard. if you're them you're not happy that you have to wait another ten days before the first debate. everything will reset after the first debate but boy they are -- the clinton campaign is limping towards that date. >> just out this morning, cbs "new york times" poll has hillary clinton up 46-44 when you factor in the independent candidates clinton and trump are tied. 42 among likely voters. this is national, steve kornacki. >> that's the other interesting thing that's going on here how independent candidates are factoring into this. the interesting thing, what's different about gary johnson and jill stein and their support versus past independent candidates it's so tightly concentrated among young voters. some numbers you're seeing are steering. there was a quinnipiac poll yesterday they broke it down voters 35 and under. they got gary johnson basically rivaling donald trump for second place among those voters. what you're seeing with young
voters you saw hillary clinton struggle with them. in a head-to-head contest hillary clinton and donald trump gun to their head they prefer hillary clinton to donald trump and this is a group of course democrats are expecting to get big numbers out of. you give them four options, add in johnson, add in stein, hillary clinton is not getting the margin out of young voters that democrats are supposed to get and that's part of the reason you're seeing tightening from a two way race to four way race. >> she loses one out of five voters. >> there was a time when trump was flailing so much. the republican party was divided. she had to sit back and inherit president obama's coalition and electoral college advantages. that's not true now. she needs to fight to win this. the electoral scling her favor. but she has to fight to win it. >> i've talked to several people who attended the sanders rally for hillary clinton a couple of
weeks ago up in new hampshire, and they indicated that bernie sanders was very, very passive in his supposed endorsement. >> maybe why you haven't seen him again. >> really >> i thought the same thing. look she needs that help. i guess maybe he isn't the best surrogate. maybe he isn't the person to go out there. that's why you'll see more barack obama. this issue is young voters but also particularly acute with young nonwhite voters, young latinos, young african-american millennials. this is a problem across the board and they are -- look they have been looking for the right surrogates, looking for other people besides barack obama to help them here. obviously there's a finite amount of his time that they can borrow. they have not found the best surrogates to help them out on this issue. >> chuck one of the things happening in the reason polls we're starting to get an electorate that may look more
like 2004 than 2012. obviously barack obama changed the enthusiasm and passion of african-americans coming out to vote and we might have a look a little bit more like a republican more dominant electorate >> maybe. but, you know, there was a lot of polls might have indicated that at this time in 2012 and it turned out that the obama campaign had banked a lot more votes they were doing a lot better with their coalition than maybe some pollsters saw then. i would just caution on that front a little bit. the other aspect here and it's something we've miss when we talk about the white vote and talk about the split among college educated whites and non-educated whites. it's clear she's overall if you look at the last abc "the washington post" poll she's doing worse with the white vote than barack obama did four years ago. so no matter how well she's doing with college educated
whites, if she's under performing overall what barack obama did with white folk she's in bigger trouble if she can't recreate the obama coalition. >> i don't know if you guys caught this. this is on the front pages of a lot of newspapers including a lot of gossip sites and newspapers that are focus tongue personal angle of this which is really hideous and uncomfortable. republican nominee donald trump reacted to colin powell privately calling him a disgrace with racist views. hacked emails reveal the former secretary of state and retired four star general's blunt observation about trump and democrat hillary clinton but trump respond just before midnight last night. couldn't help himself. quote i was never a fan of colin powell after his weak understanding of weapons of mass destruction in iraq equalled disaster. we can do much better. let me get this straight. something comes out yesterday evening that is disparaging
trump in a hacked e-mail by colin powell and he has to tweet? that's a whole side story. is that correct? he had to tweet like right then he had to blurt. >> didn't have to but wanted to. >> needed to. had to. couldn't help it. >> he waited 24 hours. >> he waited. >> he waited 24 hours, i'm sorry. >> i was stunned he didn't do it sooner. >> he'll fine -- by the way could lynn powell, poll numbers show he's one of the most revered americans period but he'll find that pressure point that one negative point. his technique, even a guy like powell who is unassailable, he attaches him to tying norrance of weapons of mass destruction in one sentence. so argue it's positive or negative it's a very, very compelling judo tactic. >> 40 characters. >> these hacked emails, i'm more
wondering about emails in general. well it doesn't seem safe to send an earn mail. this has more correspond showing powell venting frustrations with hillary clinton forcing him to disclose his arrive e-mail use. in a july two time, powell said i have a gig cancelled because he caught hell for overpaying hrc. he also brands her as greedy not transformational figure troubled by hubris. in a 2014 e-mail powell wrote i rather not vote for her but she's a friend i respect. >> honestly other than politics aside this is the scariest. if everybody's emails around this table, around this country will come in to flay wheels will
come off. >> how do we not cover. >> it from a human level. >> i feel dirty. todd help me out here. these are private emails. >> colin powell's emails, tim kaine's cell phone number. i'm not earn mailing anybody. old-fashioned telephone. give colin powell credit he's a one man focus group. it sounds like he's got the same issues in this campaign that many voters have. >> absolutely. >> so, i think in another -- if you look atco lynn powell's emails through that prism, there you go, america's focus group. >> steve, one of the clips from colin powell's emails he rather not vote for her although he respects her, i've never seen an election where voters, potential voters are so filled with angst
to describe their feelings about both candidates and the voter, you know, what are he with going to do here? >> every four years they ask that question are you voting for the candidate or voting against the other one and we're seeing record high numbers in the polls now for people are voting against donald trump or voting against hillary clinton and i think it's one of the reasons we talk about the race tightening right now. a couple weeks ago we were coming off the democratic convention a widely successful convention for hillary clinton and starting to look at her put some distance in the polls. is there a possibility she gets a solid win the closest thing to a landslide we could see in modern times. one of the reasons it snapped back there's that has tesitancy voters, strong argument i'll go with her. those doubts resurfased and keeps happening with her. it's the story of her political career and the story of this campaign. just when she made the sale,
those negatives come back i'm not so sure. >> i want to bring andrea into the conversation. there's a whole different an told this and that's this is private emails. appears that the hackers may have russian ties, so we have a bigger story brewing here obviously that we've been following about the russians hacking the dnc and now emails of public officials. saying deeply personal things that they obviously would not be saying in public. what's next, text messages, phone calls, listening to people talk privately? joining us from white plains, new york, host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell will be traveling to north carolina with hillary clinton as she returns to the campaign trail. want to get to that. but i have to say even reporting on colin powell's emails, i'm a little bit full transparency a family friend and i feel really uncomfortable reading them.
what do you make of this? >> well, obviously it's very gossipy and reveals a different side of colin powell and his unvarnished personal views, views that he never thought would be made public. not only about hillary clinton, but most interestingly about donald trump, obviously. he's a former republican. and the fact is that he, you know, described donald trump as an international pariah, an international disgrace. he goes into the racism that he believes is inherent in the birther movement that donald trump embraced. also the fact that he's clearly peeved that clinton team was trying to drag him into alternative mail mess and trying to blame him for the use of her personal server and compare what dewhich he thinks is not an
analagous. federal law enforcement official is telling nbc news now that they believe that the russian intelligence agency has direct ties to the website that obtained powell's emails and also, i mean we've seen other hacks that have taken place and the suspicions of russian involvement. this if proved is the first known involvement of a foreign power either trying to influence an american election or interfere, you know, play mind games, you know get into the heads of democratic officials. we don't know of any instance where republicans have been hacked this way. that said it raises big law enforcement issues. we do know homeland security, we talked directly to jeh johnson about this on nbc and he said they are working with local and state agencies to make sure their computer systems are protect. so that come election day
there's no interference. >> resevevreverberating effects of this. nothing is safe. and you certainly -- i don't know it raises a lot of questions. andrea, really quick what what does she have on tap today. >> we're taking off for greens bore jork north carolina a speech on child care, family matters. this is one of her big campaign speeches. she was going to give an economic speech. this is now retooled. there are going to focus on family. then going d.c. for a gala celebration, an awards dinner for the congressional hispanic caucus. then tomorrow leadership meeting with the african-american, the black leadership women's conference, all day seminar.
and, you know, more campaign travel. they say she's well. we know from the doctor's report that she's up to resoomg her campaign. we'll be talking to her today. >> andrea mitchell thank you very much. this is a trying time. chuck todd thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe" senator claire mccaskill joins us. she will manage to be with us despite darnls losing 7-0 to the cubs. but first a surprising new poll in texas shows donald trump border wall is not such a popular idea at after all. we'll talk about whether the fastest growing voting bloc in america latinos can mob billized in big numbers. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. ok team, what if 30,000 people download the new app? we're good. okay... what if a million people download the new app? we're good. five million? good. we scale on demand. hybrid infrastructure, boom.
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voted in every presidential election for decades. what did you find out? >> for 60 years, mika, they have been voting republican for president but i think you said this earlier in the show, everything is upside down this year and so now the pendulum has gone the other way as i staunton campus of duke university. take a look. we have a graphic to show you. mitt romney won this group four years ago by 14 points. this year hillary clinton superby seven. what's going on? we went out to talk to voters people who typically vote republican for president. take a listen. >> historically and that's largely because of my views on the economy. and i think historically there has been somewhat of a if cuss on the economy. >> that was supposed to be his strength. >> because he's a businessman. he's a conman. he's been coning people ever since. >> i'm not good with either one of them. >> but? >> but, you know, right now i
have to say to be safe i would probably vote for hillary. >> because of experience? >> because there's less unknown about what she's going to do. >> you know, one of the big issues here is hb-2 on front page of the local paper the transgender law and it's playing a lot in the gubernatorial race. voters i talked to said it's another example of donald trump first he was for it now on the "today" show he's against it. they don't know what he stands for. that's a recurring theme. she's coming to greensboro here today. incredibly tight race. you look at the polls on average. less than a point separating trump from clinton. why is it so close when she's doing so well with college educated whites? well you heard chuck talk about
this. in the noncollege educated white she's down by 37 points. again addressing some of those bread and butter middle class issues hoping to win back what's been that traditional democratic stronghold. >> chris jansing, thank you very much. that was a key group that donald trump is struggling to hold on to. now to a group that may not be as strong for democrats as they were hoping. joining us now from washington is writer and reporter marcela valdez. she wrote this week's cover story for the "new york times" magazine about latin jo voter turn out or lack thereof. only once in the past 28 years has latin jo turnout exceeded 50% in a presidential election? why? after spending more than six months interviewing scores of latinos in the battleground state of virginia, marcela writes in part this. through all my conversations that began to fear the real roots of political engagement
which lie not in outreach programs but around dinner takes and in churches and classrooms are far more absent from latino life in america than most people understand. so we'll start with you, marcela and say where does that leave two candidates and who they are vote forge if they are voting? >> i think it makes their job very difficult because you can do campaign outreach but voter registration and just reaching out to people every four years is not enough. i think that we're talking about a serious problem that requires a lot of education in the home, parental models and education in schools. >> could you break down the paragraph that mika just read. when a is it that's not being talked about on a daily basis around latino breakfast and
dinner tables. i didn't get the substance of what you mean in that one paragraph. >> let me back up a little bit. most of the time people talking about this problem they talk about three issues. they've been talking about poverty, youth and lack of education. if you look at the numbers, that analysis doesn't quite hold up. for example take poverty. latinos are actually slightly better off than african-americans and african-americans have the highest voter turnout in 2012. so you can't say that poverty is the main thing. and if you look at education and age you would think if those are the most important things driving voting then the highest voter turnout would come from asian-americans because they are the second oldest and best educated but they have a lower voter turn out than latinos. what do asian-americans and latinos these two groups that have so much difference between them culturally, lynn kwiinguis
and cultural what do they have? they are immigrant groups that struggle with english. what's not happening is that the parents are not incore important affiliated to our political system and so they are not having political conversations around the dinner table, they are not taking their children out to go vote and historically we've had different mechanisms for dealing with this. until the 1960s there were lots of classes often up to three classes in a high school that were teaching government, democracy and civics. by 2000 that had gone down to one class or none usually. >> marcela valdez thank you very much. we'll be reading your "new york times" magazine cover story this weekend. we're joined now by mtv senior news correspondent anna marie
cox. she joins the table. welcome back. if you look at the polls nationally in some key battleground states this race is a lot closer than i think one sagt round this table might expect it to be. i'm looking right at you. what do you make of that especially given your reporting? >> i think it was interesting listening to her, listening to martha's analysis there, part of me wonders about the voter models turn out and whether or not that will turn out to be accurate moving forward. i do know there's a problem with latino turnout and i feel personally that if -- i feel like if hillary clinton wins in the fall it will be because the black and brown people of america have saved us, like they do a lot of time. and i think that it will be interesting to see what the turn out is because one reason she didn't touch on about why maybe latino turn out has been what is it they haven't had a hero in
obama. they've been very upset about his immigration policy. i wonder if they haven't had the investment they might have had in this election. >> the other thing that's interesting and marcela was starting to get into this, language. there's a divide in the latino community it was shock when i saw this. if you look at latino households, sort of spanish language dominant the margin is 69 points. hillary clinton is leading donald trump by 69 points. you look at hispanic households that are english dominant the margin is seven. hillary clinton 48, donald trump 41. there's a huge gap of 40 points between latinos born in the united states -- >> what's the reason for that? >> i don't know the reason but i was listening to marcela and talking about people who don't speak english as their first language they are isolated from the rest of culture and society. that's an interesting explanation. >> spanish language immigrant, latinos that are for hillary clinton right is that what you're saying
>> spanish language dominant hillary clinton by 69 points. english language dominant hillary clinton by seven. 62-point gap. >> but that to me says that if spanish language speak being you might think they are alienated from the culture but they are supporting hillary clinton so it seems they are engaged. i don't know if i buy the whole alienated from the culture. >> language, spanish speaking, nonspanish speak it will be a turn out. whose operation is more effective at the turn out. >> also, here's the stat also. is this african-american vote. this tells you about the obama coalition. think of ohio the battleground state of ohio. in 2012 the turn out jumped, the african-american share of the electorate jumped from 11% to 15% and not because the population got bigger that's all turn out, all mobilization. barack obama won the state by only a couple of points. if you're hillary clinton it's not enough, african-americans or latinos to get the overwhelming
margins that barack obama got. it is about getting to the polls and that's what the obama campaign has. >> the latest ohio poll uses an electorate base that's closer to 2004. >> michael steele. >> the key thing on steve's points when you look at ohio in 2012 is the motivation. motivation was a key factor in 2012 for african-americans because they were going to be damn sure barack obama got a second term. very important in the community that that happened. that's why you saw that jump not just in ohio but in places like north carolina and elsewhere where the turnout was motivated by a sense of history, a sense of community and a sense of connectedness to the president. what you're seeing now i think is a softening. softening in the black community for hillary clinton. not saying they don't like her or won't vote for her but there's not this same motivation, same sense of purpose to go out and pull that lever for her. they have to work that. they don't want to.
but they know they have to. in one sense should thereabout for them because of everything about donald trump. same true with hispanics. the motivation is probably part of that explanation that you see going on in the households where there's spanish speaking versus english dominance. that's another factor here that i think drives this thing as much as possible. >> be interesting to see how many people just don't vote this time around. just don't vote. just don't want to do it. >> steve kornacki thank you. anna marie corks, thank you. wells fargo created millions of fake accounts then paid a fine of $185 million. now there's word there will be a federal investigation. that's still ahead on "morning joe". isaac hou has mastered gravity defying moves to amaze his audience.
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40 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe". >> everybody is here now. the whole energy, like the whole place -- >> camp ty has been covering the trump campaign since the beginning and following latest questions into trump foundation. >> donald trump who claims to have given millions away to schart under investigation for his philanthropy. the new york attorney general looking into the trump foundation after "the washington post" uncovered a series of questionable donation. at airbase six-foot tall portrait by speed painter but using foundation money at a charity event. the paint portionly a gift for trump himself. >> melania, his wife was the one who bid interest. and the first bid was $10,000
and then she graciously increased that bid to 20,000. >> if he kept it and the kbooint say that violates new york law and the irs code. another issue, a $25,000 political donation to a superp.a.c. linked to florida attorney general pam bondy around the time her office considered but never opened a fraud investigation into trump university. both bondy and trump deny impropriety. >> his campaign called you a partisan hack over this investigation. how do you make them know this is not a witch-hunt? >> it would be incredibly unusual if there were allegations of impropriety bay nonprofit and we did investigate. >> from his foundation to his organization "newsweek" posting a cover story examining trump's international business dealings and the conflict of interest they present. the magazine arguing unless the organization is shut down it would be point to know if trump was acting in the interest of the united states or his wallet.
daughter ivanka responded. >> my father already said he would put the company into a blind trust and would be run by us. >> but that isn't enough according to some legal experts. >> it doesn't do any good to put it in a blind trust frankly tore ask one of your children or all of your children to handle it four. it simply done' rae erase the conflict of interest. >> the trump campaign calls it nothing more than a partisan hit job design to distract hillary clinton's disastrous week. let's speak more about his foundation. we know more about his business dealings overseas if he releases his tax returns. . >> we are not nare not going to. >> david, what do you make of what we know so far about trump as dealings here and his organization and his foundation? >> well, i've been looking particularly at his foundation
and it's a really unusual foundation in that it has donald trump's name on it and in most cases when a wealthy person plus its name on a private foundation it's set up to give away his money. trump's is opposite it gives away other people not his own. that's not illegal. but things where he bought things for himself with the charity's money and those donations those are violations. >> first of all on behalf of people who like to see newspapers survive and prosper thank you very much for your work on this issue. secondly on behalf of people like me who are fairly ignorant how foundations raise money and donate money give me the mechanics of what happened here? it is one foundation being asked by trump foundation for a contribution to its -- how does it work? >> well, trump hasn't given any known his own foundation since
2008. he gets big donation from other people he gives out a little bit at the time. vince mccann, world wrestler mogul. he's given 5 million. trump to avoid giving his own money will ask somebody to gave him their money and then give it way. there's a big charity in florida that does business, rents out trump as club for $270,000 per night and trump actually wanted to give them a do mays, the didn't want to spend any of his own money. he found another foundation. he took their money and gave it as his money and he got an award for it. a giant crystal palm tree for his philanthropy. >> can we stop on that? we're valuing a human being who takes a foundation, puts his name on it. and gives -- will not put any money in it the last nine years
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donald j. trump foundation to a political group connected to florida attorney general pam bondy. a copy of the actual donation check obtained by the "new york times" signed by donald trump to the group and justice for all is dated september 9, 2013. four days before bondy's office said publicly that it was reviewing complaints about trump university. this appears to challenge the argument that the trump foundation's donation was made in response to the positive an investigation. but trump and bondy have said they never discussed the complaints against trump university. trump paid dla rs$2,500 penalty failing to disclose the donation to the irs. he also repaid the $25,000 to the foundation which said the gift was in error. so at the core of this story, those is trump university. let's take a closer look now at
some of the controversy surrounding that. the for profit trump u. launched in 2005 promising to teach trump's reality development secrets with$35,000 for the opportunity. adds promised potential students will learn from donald trump's hand-picked instructors and participants would have access to trump's real estate secrets. >> at trump university, we teach success. that's what it's all about. success. it's going to happen to you. >> yet some former employees and students say trump u was nothing more than a fraudulent scheme. several filed lawsuits and unsealed testimony from some of those cases reveal some eye-opening details. portions of the trump u playbook appear to show how sales people were encouraged to target students based on their personal assets and encourage customers
with little money to pay for the tuition on credit cards. unsealed testimony by former managers suggest it relied on high-pressure sales tactics with deceptive claims and employed unqualified instructors who were not hand-picked by or even met trump. complaints about the school rolled into the offices of attorney general in florida, texas, new york, and illinois, prompting multiple investigations. class action lawsuits were filed in california and the new york attorney general filed a $40 million civil suit calling trump u a bait and switch. >> it's fraud. this is straight up fraud. it's like selling people something you say is a mercedes and it turns out to be a voke volkswag volkswagen. even if some people say i like the volkswagen, it's still fraud. this was not a university. >> lawyers for trump have challenged all of these characterizations and deny the
charges of fraud along with any wrongdoing. trump himself has continually defended trump u, noting that nearly all of the students thought it was great. >> we had about 98% of the people who took the courses approve the courses. they thought it was great and said it was great. they signed these documents, they rated the course 98% approval rating and high marks. >> so in his bid for the white house, donald trump has campaigned to be the champion of the little guy, little guy who has been wronged, but if the charges in the cases against trump university are found to be true, it would leave a gaping hole in one of the central tent poles of his message to voters. they will not know, though, the outcome until at least 20 days after election day, when the class action trial is scheduled to begin. so this is sort of katy tur, a mystery that will not be unearthed until after somebody is elected president. >> absolutely. and there's not only this but now there's questions about the foundation as well. then there's questions, as we
have been talking about, about his business dealings overseas. there's so little transparency in the trump world that it makes you wonder, frankly, why so many people are refusing to acknowledge it when they are his supporters. they see him as somebody who is a champion of their interests. the spite what the evidence is that suggests otherwise. and they see him as somebody who was going to go into washington and change things up for the better of everyday people. he's been very successful at painting himself and pitching himself as somebody who is a champion of the little guy, as you guys have just said, and also somebody who is the only one who can go in and make things better for their lives. and somebody who has the judgment spanning back decades to say that i always knew what to do. and i will do that right thing, whatever that right thing happens to be at the time, because he switches a lot, once i get into office. >> mike? >> david, how difficult is it
peeling back the layers of the various trump interfrieenterpri foundation, the money in your work? >> it is difficult because as you said, trump hasn't given out his tax returns which would show us a lot about a lot of things. in my particular narrow interest, it would show a lot about his charity. the trump foundation is a little better because they have to release their tax returns publicly, but i found things that weren't actually true. they told the irs something and that didn't turn out to be true. even that, there's a transparency problem i'm trying to unearth. >> i have to say, they're beginning, if you look at the big picture, foundation, mark halpen, they're cancelling each other out. if you're mad at hillary clinton about the e-mails and about transparency and about foundation ties, but you're not sure about donald trump because he flip-flops on everything and foundation ties and organization ties, what are you left with? >> well, david has done great work. >> performance? >> the press has done a decent
job in scrutinizing the pump trings. from the politics point of view, one of the challenges is which one or ones of these things to focus on. they see so many targets of opportunities. they're victims, they say, of trump u, of his business deal g dealings, of the foundation and the way it's operating. yet, which one has broken through, which one of these people represent for the public a way of thinking about donald trump. >> could you go over what you alluded to or said, there are signed documents to the irs from the trump foundation that are not accurate? >> that's right. the best example has to do with the pam bondi case, this donation. when trump foundation gives this $25,000 donation to pam bondi's political group, which is against the law, it files its irs taxes that year and it leaves out that illegal donati n donation. in its place, it lists a false donation.
$25 to a group with a similar name in kansas that they didn't send money to. they say that's an inadvertent error. that's one example of the case that they filed with the irs an incorrect tax return when the incorrect part served to hide what they had done. >> that's cause of more than an audit, i would say. >> michael steele, last word. >> i want to follow up on that. you laid out this case, very fine work. why haven't all these investigations because these foundations go through a high level of scrutiny, whether it's the irs, state. what in this process broke down that donald trump did not get that kind of scrutiny about these types of transactions? >> well, what i'm told is the irs would be the ones to do this. their investigations are not public. maybe they're investigating now and we don't know. the irs has lost a lot of manpower in the last few years. it lost a lot of ambition of the scandal of targeted right-wing nonprofits. the folks i talked to and said
is the irs going to investigate, a lot said maybe, but will be long time from now that we'll know the answer. >> got to see the tax returns in general. david fahrenthold, thank you so much for your reporting. and still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> he is not going to release the results of his physical. why is that? >> on a tv show? i don't think he -- >> that was the original plan, wasn't it? >> no, he was going to talk about the fact he had a physical. >> i mean, wow. that was donald trump's campaign manager doing her best to do her job, talking about the taping with dr. oz yesterday. she said that right before. so what medical information did we learn from the republican nominee's televised reveal? that's ahead. plus, senator claire mccaskill joins us this. "morning joe" is bag in a moment. we're good. okay... what if a million people download the new app?
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i just hope she gets better and smee can get back out. i have no view. i just don't want to get involved with it. i hope she's going to be fine, and she'll continue onward. >> in all fairness, she's lying in bed getting better and we want her better. we want her back on the trail, right? we want her back on the trail. it is hot. and it's always hot when i perform because the crowds are so big, these rooms were not designed for this kind of a crowd. i don't know, folks. you thing hillary would be able to stand up here for an hour and do this? i don't know. i don't know. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> good morning, everyone.
did you hear that? >> i heard it. >> yeah, it's thursday, september 15th. joe has the morning off. with us on set, we have veteran columnist and msnbc -- >> veteran. veteran. >> mike barnicle. >> manager editor of bloomberg politics and co-host of with all due respect that airs at sick:00 p.m. on msnbc, mark halperin. donny deutsch. he was co-host of that show yesterday. what are you doing, halpern? >> he was really good. >> he was? what was good about him? >> he's got his finger on the pulse of real america. >> okay. >> talks about donald trump and hillary clinton as if he knows them both. >> he does, that's true. you're on again this evening? >> once again, polly shore was not available, so i'm there, yes. >> try not to embarrass us. national correspondent for bloomberg business week and political columnist for the boston globe, josh green is with us on set, and in washington, msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. good to have you back on,
michael. >> good to be with you. >> i need you to explain this for us. we begin with more polls showing donald trump gaining ground on hillary clinton. a new national quinnipiac poll shows clinton leading trump by five points, but trump is benefitting from a five-point swng in his favor since last month. her lead shrinks to two when the party candidates are added in. gary johnson at 13%, a cnn/orc battleground pole of ohio likely voters has trump at 50% in the two-way poll. the 1st time he's hit that mark in that state. hillary clinton is at 46%. when expanded to the four-way with third party candidates, he leads clinton by five points. that's the same margin as a bloomberg poll that came out yesterday. cnn has also got a florida poll showing trump leading by three in that state, 47 to 44. in nevada, despite a sinking
favorable rating, a monmouth university poll finds the race has flipped in trump's favor from july. he now leads 44 to 42 over clinton there inside the margin of error. i'm going to start with mark halperin. tell me what you think is happening. >> trump is consolidating support amongst republicans. the campaign has focused its attention on a few key states so the nation tightening is interesting. it's reflective of what's going on in the overall sweep of things, but this, i continue to believe right now, is primarily a four -state election. florida and ohio look to be right now, trump has an edge in both of those states. north carolina, which is very close, and then pennsylvania. so i think that the trump campaign, it's hard to argue right now that they don't have the momentum. they have momentum. and it's going to be fascinating to see when hillary clinton comes back out on the trail today what she does to try to thurn things more in her favor. she's still the favorite in the race. >> josh, you have a piece
focusing on ohio. first, i want to jump to michael steele. when you look at polls like this, does show that something trump is doing is working or what does it reflection? >> i think it reflects a couple things. a lot of what we talked about back and forth on the show for various times. that's the attitude of the american people. after labor day, they settle down, they start to look at the candidates a little differently. that's number one. number two, mark has it exactly right. the trump campaign has, with kellyanne conway onboard has begun to consolidate. they act and function like a campaign, and they're doing the things they need to do. there's a greater coordination on the ground between the national party and the state parties on behalf of trump. that's been helpful. there are a lot of synergies that are beginning to line up. as you head into the debate in a week, that makes this very, very interesting. of course, the past week to ten days has not been helpful for hillary clinton either. so that is also assisted trump in sort of turning the numbers
more in his favor. >> mike barnicle. >> josh, ohio is a big ball game. business week, we had a special issue on what's going on in this country politically. you have been in ohio. live in ohio, practically. what's out there? >> well, basically, what we did is teamed up with the data science firm to go in and find the most intensely pro-trump, pro-clinton areas in ohio. went there, and just went and talked to ordinary people, not to rally goers, not to politicians. and what we found, i think, really explains the story of the race, and the most pro-clinton area was a stretch of neighborhoods in southeast cleveland. heavily african-american. they're for clinton, but they're not really excited about her. time and time again, people would tell me, well, we're going to vote for her. we would never consider donald trump, but you don't feel the passion we felt for obama in '08. the most pro-trump district, surprisingly, youngstown, ohio. what you see there is a story of what's happening, what has pushed trump in the lead in
ohio. you had thousands and thousands of democrats switch registration in the spring, vote republican in the primary for donald trump. trump is turning democrats into republicans. >> in the piece, or in your travels in ohio, yesterday, big story in the pagesoffs every american newspaper. the economy is finally on a rebound. it's doing great. did you get any sense of this from the workers in ohio? >> this is one of the surprising things. did. both of these areas, economically distressed, but both sets of people had the feeling that things were gradually getting better. i didn't encounter a lot of anger. i encountered a lot of cautious aumentmism. if you look at the internals in the new blook brg poll we have, favorability about the ohio economy, 57%. they're doing okay. >> all right, i have optics issues for donny deutsch here with two months, under two months until election day hillary clinton is set to return campaigning today with events in north carolina and washington,
d.c. she spent three days off the road recuperating at home in chappaqua from pneumonia. her doctor released more details on her medical history yesterday, including that she takes coumadin, a common blood thinner. after that concussion three years ago, it resulted in a blood clot. and the report mentioned a tube put in her ear in january of this year after a sinus and ear infection. her physician otherwise says she's healthy and fit to serve as president, that quote, she's in excellent mental condition. i'm told to keep going, but i just want to pause for a second. i think that's worth pausing. that they pointed that out. because i think we all know that, but i think pointing it out is actually, what's it doing, donny? >> i want to first -- i want you to keep reading because i want to hear about donald trump's mental position. i would like to hear that. ia asked me about the optics. i want to bounce back to the ohio polls for a second and get to hillary. why to me this is such a big
deal for trump, beyond the actual number, this is a critical state. it carried every election since '64. if you go back to trump in the primaries, his weapon of choice is, i'm winning, you're not. he had 16 people, and every time they would say, donald, you are no experience, or donald, you've said horrible thingsunts the muslims, he would say, i'm ahead in the polls. look at me, look at you. he has not had this weapon for the last six weeks. i said it is going to be interesting to watch donald from behind. i thought his head was going to explode. it hasn't. now as we head into the debate next week, he has this weapon. other than charlie sheen, he's used it better than anybody, winning. where it's i'm on top. i'm on top. i'm on top. it's a very powerful weapon. you have never heard hillary use it in the last six weeks. never references it. some of your discussions about how women are not good at how pounding their chest. >> it is making all the difference for her. >> now to the hillary optics. it's a shame that the day after donald trump was on a daytime
show. >> yes, dr. oz. >> pointing to his own goofy jerry garcia doctor and saying nothing on a day when hillary clinton listed, and mark went over it in great detail in his show, 17 or 20 or 24 facts about actual documentation about her health, we're still talking about her health and not his health. >> right. >> and it's a travesty and a sham. and i don't even think we talked yesterday, mark, about does donald now have to match her point for point, and he won't. >> no. >> and the american public will let him get away with it. just like he won't release his tax returns. we criticize her on transparency, yet she is a windex glass compared to him. >> she has to step up on some levels. it's the part that's actually fixable. she has the experience. she trumps him on every level. she's got to go out there and fight it in a real way. donald trump also revealed more about his own health, as we mentioned, in a taping with
dr. oz that is airing today. >> if your health is as strock as it seems from your review of systems, why not share your medical records? >> i have really no problem in doing it. i have it right here. i mean, should i do it? i don't care. should i do it? it's two letters. one is the report and the other is from lennox hill hospital. >> may i see them? >> sure. >> these are the reports. >> all the tests that were done last week. >> if elected at age 70, you will be the oldest person to ever enter the oval office. why do you think you have the stamina for the job? >> we're just about the same age as ronald reagan, and hillary is a year behind me. i would say just based on my life, i mean, i have had -- i actually, and i don't know if this makes sense, i feel as good today as i did when i was 30. >> i also want to bring up more one thing that there are certain traditional problems that all
70-year-olds have. hypertension, and 70% have sexual problems. >> oh, my god. >> no, no, not about him. these are facts. and he is 70 years old. >> donny is all about facts. >> i didn't hear that. >> no, no, hypertension. this is a list. >> i am not even looking at you. i'm laooking at mark. >> can we pause here? >> dmoe, we can't. >> because it raises the question, dr. oz and donald trump on that set. >> incredible. >> donald trump saying to the audience and dr. oz, should i? should i? we have a floating con game massacre aiding as a presidential election. >> incredible performer. >> beyond bizarre. almost teasing us. >> you know what else he can say about that guy? he's up five in ohio. >> up five in ohio. >> whichs the exact thing he'll use any time someone criticizes him. >> up five in ohio. also apparently talked about his
bloodwork, which he says is normal. he says he gets cancer screenings annually. also, dr. oz apparently said that up five in ohio is slightly overweight. >> so what? who isn't? >> hello. >> josh is not. >> yeah, josh, you're looking okay. >> a clean bill of health from dr. deutsche. >> all donny does is look in the mirror and exercise, so he's not. one audience member -- >> i'm trying to break that level of -- >> i can't believe what you just said. >> no, i was stating -- >> don't you talk to me about levels of intellectual -- >> i was looking at what are the typical health issues for 70-year-old plus people, and that jumped out at me. >> donny likes to go on fwiter. >> what are you talking about? >> go ahead. >> no, it's unbelievable. >> i don't understand why you won't talk about science. >> donny likes statistics. >> you know, i would say what donny is saying is ridiculous, but what up five in ohio did on dr. oz matches.
okay, so one audience member tells nbc news that trump said that he likes fast food. because at least he knows what's in it. i'm getting a lot of omgs on text. omg from my friend vicky. omg. yeah. donny, that's for you. >> he likes quality control at the national chains bring. >> i'm sure he does. >> i'm with him on that. you know what you're getting. >> popeye's. >> up five in ohio also says, and ohio, this is for you, because he's polling so well there, apparently. that campaigning is his exercise. see, when he's moving his arms around, he says that when he does that, that's his workout. >> he's holding invisible weights. you can't see them, but he's got ten pounds in each hand. see? look at the -- jane fonda, eat your heart out.
>> oh, my gosh. he could do a workout video. okay, still ahead on "morning joe," bill clinton tries to turn the tables on trump f's foundation. >> and later, kristen welker joins us live from washington as hillary clinton returns to the trail. >> and senator claire mccaskill will be our guest as well. plus -- >> i saw that donald trump's childhood home in queens is going up for auction next month. it features a working fireplace, aka, tax return incinerator. as well as ample pantry space to store baskets of deplorables. next, the roof is supposedly original, even though everyone is pretty much positive it's fake. plus, it has plenty of hardwood. i guarantee you there's no problem there. and finally, backyard wall paid for by neighbor. that's interesting. >> all in a night's work.
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if you win, will you and your family permanently sever any connection to the trump organization while you're in office? >> i will sever connections and i'll have my children and my executives run the company and i won't discuss it with them. it's so unimportant compared to what we're doing about making america great again. i just wouldn't care. now, i guess you could say there's a conflict because as the country gets stronger, that's good for all companies, right? but i wouldn't care. it's so unimportant compared to what i'm doing right now. >> we've got this new report from newsweek that examines the
trump organization's global ties, including deals in russia, india, and turkey. suggesting daunting challenges for the republican to separate himself from it as president. as its author, kirk iken wald explains to chris hayes last night on "all in." >> trump has about 500 different partnerships, entities that are subsidiaries of the trump organization. i focused on the overseas ones. and every time i was able to track one down, every time i was able to look at them, these were people who were tied to governments, very closely, much more so than you would find in the united states. they were involved in illegal activities. they were -- their interests were not aligned with the interests of the united states of america. so you have a situation where donald trump is going to have to choose. he's going to have to choose a partner who is giving him money, who is giving his kids money.
or the interest of the united states. and there has never, ever in the history of america been a scenario like that. >> and so you also have similar strains of stories as it pertains to hillary clinton's speech money from financial institutions, foundation ties to foreign governments. so you've got some kind of parallel similarities on this, whether or not there's influence, how do you -- and then you look at the personalities. do you think donald trump, who is literally baited by a tweet or baited by something that like a morning show host says on tv -- >> only -- >> do you think he has the self-discipline to separate when someone has given a great deal of money to his organization or they have a major deal. you thing he's going to be able to put that out of his head and govern effectively and be a real leader? or hillary clinton? who do you think has the capacity to separate in their mind and do the right thing?
anybody? >> i still keep coming back to the fact that trump has run his entire campaign on hillary being entrenched in the establishment industrial complex and the conflicts of interest and the murky relationships. and her nontransparency. where he trumps her no pun intended in those categories 10 to 1. every business dealing we look at of him is either dark or murky or sleazy. every single one. yet, the press, it's so ironic how the press has painted this left-leaning. iening thin in a lot of ways, other than the "washington post," its the past. keeps going back to the tax returns. people should not let up. they don't let up on hillary's e-mails. people should not let up on these issues. those 500 entities that kirk was talking about. the trump organization. he's got 500 sub-entities. i would like to know more about those. >> all of this stuff should be scrutinized 100%, whether he
wins or not. i will say on the other side, though, the premise that someone with international business holdings shouldn't be allowed to run for president, i'm not comfortable with that. i think business people should be allowed to run for president. >> i do, too. who has the mind set? >> have to see his tax returns. if he won, he would have to convince people there's way to not have conflicts of interest. just the notion that you're a business person with international ties. >> agreed, but does anyone here know the answer to the question of if he were ever to be elected president of the united states, could he continue operating his business? >> no, but he says he wouldn't. >> do we know that? >> he says he wouldn't. >> mike, i want to go back to tax returns. why does this man not have to do what every man or woman who has run for office, why is he held to a different standard? >> michael steele, why? >> tax returns that show how you have lived your life as an american citizen, how you owned up to your responsibilities and day after day, every media outlet does not pound, pound,
pound. you are running for president of the united states. how dare you say we're not going to see her tax returns. how dare you insult the american public because you're in audit? everyone has come out and said that has nothing to do with it. >> michael steele? >> donny, i appreciate your exercised viewpoint there, but you know, this is the reality of it. your exercise, the press's exercise, but the american people apparently aren't. show me the poll where 60% of the people saying i want to see your tax returns. that's donald trump's safe haven here. he's so past that at this point. it's not resonating the way it resonates for you. with a lot of other people, and that's why you don't see the pressure on him. >> coming up on "morning joe," first she grilled dr. oz on capitol hill in 2014. is espn next? senator claire mccaskill joins us after a frustrating weekend of fantasy football when espn's app crashed for hours. she tweeted, seriously, espn
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don't remember." you're living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs. what the hell do you have to lose? if you look at his wife, she had nothing to say. she probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured okay, i hate to tell you. you've called women you don't like "fat pigs," "dogs," "slobs," and "disgusting animals." she's a disgusting pig, right? like to punch him in the face. they're losers. loser. loser. disgusting. stupid. you can't lead this nation if you have such a low opinion for its citizens.
and then attack my foundation that saves millions of lives and my personal foundation, we have put millions of dollars into it. you think that's okay. well, he's your guy. >> bill clinton on the campaign trail yesterday, pinch hitting for his wife while she recovers from pneumonia. she's going to hit the trail today in north carolina. joining us from capitol hill is senator claire mccaskill of missouri. great to have you on. >> thanks. >> there were issues about transparency about her illness now. is this catching up to her? when you look at the polls, don't you think she should be doing better? >> you know, i think she always knew this was going to be close. there's a reason why they have built an incredible ground game operation in all of these states. that was because they knew they needed to mobilize their voters in the closing weeks of the campaign.
but you know f you want to talk about transparency, mika, the thing that kills me right now is how are we this close to the election, and we are just now getting reporting about donald trump's financial ties to our enemies and to our allies all across the globe. we know nothing about these deals. some of them aren't even included in his fec filing. why aren't we finding out what is his connection to some of these strongmen in this countries, some of which have great relationships with iran, who is sending money to terrorists. why aren't we learning about the details of his web of international business dealings that could have the most dramatic impact on foreign policy that we have ever seen in our lifetime? >> it's a perfect good touche and a very valid point and i think the answers would be in his tax returns, but he won't release them. >> i'm not sure they're in his tax returns. these are questions that need to be pressed to him.
how is he getting away without answering the question of give us your financial ties to the countries of our enemies and the countries of our friends. we want to know about your financials. this notion that they have been able to somehow pivot and make this about a charity that gives away 90% of its money to charitable causes and, by the way, the clinton family doesn't take a dime out of it, and meanwhile, his foundation is a scam, and we know nothing about his business. >> claire, i'll turn to the expert, the trumpology on the set, katy tur. if you ask him these questions, what does he say? >> he pivots or he attacks hillary clinton or he says that's unnecessary. you don't need to know that, or i'm under audit, or don't worry. my business dealings have nothing to do with how i'll run the country. believe me, only that i'm going to make better deals because i'm friends with everything. i have a question for the senator. given everything you have sdwrus laid out, and it's quite a list, and given that donald trump has
not released his taxes, given that he has questions around his charitable foundation. given that he doesn't have the same depth in foreign policy, why does hillary clinton not enjoy a much larger lead? that's got to be giving democrats such concern right now that they have chosen a candidate of their own that can't seem to -- if you believe this, if he's a huckster, that can't seem to distance herself from somebody who is so unqualified in your opinion? >> well, i think in presidential elections, history has shown that the american people do have a penchant for a brand-new bright and shiny object. they are, you know, i think there is a lot of dissatisfaction in this country in a sense that we need to blow up the system. who better to blow up the system than a huckster and a con man? and i will say, some of it is inexplicable to him, honestly, candidly. the only thing i will say with passion this morning is if you believe donald trump is not the
right man to lead the most powerful nation in the world, if you believe that he does not have the depth or the stability to be president, today, call. go online and volunteer for hillary clinton. we've got to mobilize these voters. people need to quit wringing their hands and get to work. >> senator, as you are well aware, i'm kind of slow. but you mentioned donald trump's financial transactions, his dealings with enemies of our country. you mentioned iran. do you have any specific information about his financial transactions/business dealings with a country like iran? >> well, here's what -- i just read the "newsweek" article, and i wish every american would read it because i was stunned when i read it. first of all, i was stunned it's september and it's just now coming out that he has issues in south korea. he has issues in turkey, issues in india. he has issues in ukraine. we know about his love affair with putin, a thug and a strongman who is an anathema to
every american value. the notion we have not had enough reporting around his international business issues, he may not want to answer the questions, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be talking about it. i mean, we have talked more about hillary refusing to take a sick day until she had to than we have about him being buddies with a strongman in countries that he's done business with that is in fact tied to iran. >> do you know under the constitution, you're a lawyer. is it possible for a president-elect trump, or president trump, to continue doing private business -- >> no. >> i don't know that. is it possible? is there anything that declares that unconstitutional? >> not that i'm aware of. and frankly, he can say that he's not going to have anything to do with it, but you can't put his business in a blind trust because he knows who all these people are.
you know, the guy in turkey that he does business with who now is on the opposite side of erdoingen, in all of these countries where he has these relationships with people who are either on the right side or the wrong side of their government and our government, he already knows that. so pay to play, give me a break. i mean, that's what he's done with his foundation. >> global pay to play we have ever seen. donny. >> it's donny deutsch, first of all, i feel badly about the cardinals that the mets have overtaken them. >> we're a half a game back, donny. don't speak too soon. only half a game back for the wild card. >> i want to go back to a more somber topic. i'm a dad, and i know donald for years. i like the guy i met, and the candidate repulses me and really frightens me. frightens me for my children. we can all talk about a list of things. even in the last segment, talking about a guy who puts a foundation in his name and then takes the money from other people and gives it away under his name, where the average wealthy person does the complete opposite. we could do a list of 100 things
that say something about the man as a human being, as a human being. why do people refuse -- why is he teflon don? why does it not stick to him where whatever sticks on hillary sticks and multiplies and metastasizes. explain the psychology. you have run successful campaigns. you're a fantastic politician. you obviously understand people. i can't figure it out as a guy who has watched trends for 30 years, who has built brands, i can't figure out why it doesn't stick, why it doesn't register, the human being they're seeing? >> i think it has registered with a lot of people. i don't think we should discount that. i have an awful lot of republican friends, and frankly, some whose names you would recognize, who are not going to vote for donald trump. and in fact, will vote for hillary clinton. you have seen lists of really important strong, smart people in foreign policy in the military that have said unequivocally that hillary clinton is by far the better candidate. i think it goes back to what i said before.
people see the dysfunction of our government and they think, let's just blow it up. partly, we're to blame, us back here in that we have gotten into a habit of doing so much around the politics of our jobs and not enough about the policy of our jobs. we have been too willing to stand, quote/unquote, on principle and not compromise and get things done. and people are sick of it. they think why should we go with someone who is familiar to us? let's go to somebody who frankly is entertaining and, you know, it looks like he's been successful. maybe he can blow the place up and make something happen. it's so wrong because the constitution is what will control him. he cannot be a dictator, even though he campaigns like a dictator, these people are still going to be here. and they're still going to be saying, you know, of course we're not going to build a wall. >> he went on dr. oz and gave his health information, sort of. >> yeah. dr. oz. yeah, well, isn't that a pair? oh, my lord. talk about two snake oil salesmen.
i mean, one of them says, you know, take a pill and you'll be thin from your lips to god's ear, wouldn't we all love that? not true, not medically true, not scientifically true, and dr. oz knows it, and he does it all the time. then we've got donald trump promising things that are totally not true, lying every time almost he opens his mouth. so i think it's a marriage made in heaven, dr. oz and donald trump. >> and senator claire mccaskill, always good to have you on the show. i hope to see you soon in person. thanks. >> okay, thanks, guys. >> let's brynn in nbc news correspondent kristen welker who is covering the clinton campaign. hillary clinton is on the road today, coming at a time where she's facing really awkward headlines pertaining to her friend colin powell. >> no doubt about that. while she was resting at her home in chappaqua, she did a few phone-in interviews, one to the tom joyner show yesterday. it aired today just moments ago, actually, and she was asked about some of those e-mails that were leaked from colin powell, the fact that he criticized her
for in his words, dragging him into her use of a private e-mail server, and then he said this, everything hrc touches she screws up with hubris. here's how secretary clinton responded when asked about that. >> can i just follow and say by hubris, he's saying that you're stepping on your message. he's insinuating you're stepping on your message through hubris or not being transparent. >> i'm not going to comment on anything that isicides in a private e-mail. >> so really trying to deflect that tough question there, mika. she went on to say that she considers colin powell a friend and said she has sympathy for anyone whose e-mails become public. she knows a lot about that. her goal today when she returns to the campaign trail to greensboro, north carolina, and then a dinner here in washington, d.c., will be to turn the page on what has been a very rocky period in her campaign. both in terms of putting those
health questions to rest, which she aimed to do with that disclosure of health records yesterday, and she's also going to try to get back on message. she, before getting sick, was going to deliver a series of speeches that explained her stronger together theme. today, she's going to try to get back on that track. she's going to be talking about families and children and her plans to help, and of course, she leads donald trump among women voters right now by about 20%. also worth noting, she will be traveling on her press plane, so i expect that she's going to get some more tough questions later on today. mika. >> kristen welker, thank you very much. gut reaction. >> the speech today, no matter what she says, people will focus on are her cheeks rosy, did she cough. that's a shame. >> there needs to be a more aggressive answer. how about, colin powell is a friend. i'll really sorry his e-mails were hacked. i know what that feels like. next question. just stop. she sounds flat up against this
buffoon performer that is resonating. >> we're going to see what she's made of because now she's a couple steps back. she's got to come out punching. >> she's got to be aggressive, know her value. >> still ahead, wells farco paid a fine after a report emerges of employees creating millions of fax accounts, but the company may not be getting off that easy. >> plus, many are starting to feel this election is no laughing matter. we don't think it is. we'll dig into late night comedy's role in the campaign when we come back. anyone with type 2 diabetes
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that was the first drop in five months. it was led by falling sales of autos, building materials, books, music. so not the best way to start in terms of the trading day. it also could give some insight as to what the central bank is going to do, very important meeting next week. and there's a split on wall street and inside the fed about whether the economy is healthy enough to raise interest rates. that's why the markel has been so volatile on all of these mixes messages around that. also wanted to hit wells fargo because there's been an escalation over the fallout of the phony bank accounts that were opened and bank accounts. now federal prosecutors are investigating this. no word to as to whether they're doing to bring a case, whether it would be criminal or civil, but clearly, the reputational damage is piling up over the 1.5 million different accounts that were opened without consumers'
consent, and of course, already, wells fargo has paid $185 million. guys, i'll just leave you with the fact that today is the eighth anniversary of the bankruptcy of lehman brothers. >> all right, sara eisen, thank you very much. and up next on "morning joe" -- >> has a line of clothing. where were these made? >> i don't know where they were made, but they were made someplace, but they're great. ties, shirts, cuff links. >> where are the shirts made? >> bangladesh. >> it's good. employ people in bangladesh. >> ties, where were the ties made? >> beautiful ties. >> made in china? they're made in china. >> wow. >> so great. i misdave. >> yeah, boy. he was so brilliant. >> late night television and the presidential election collide. a look at what "time" magazine calls the seriously partisan politics of late night comedy. we're back in a moment. play that again. a banner that goes on a wall.
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a bicycle race. that i i tell you. >> can you open this jar of pickles? this has not been tampered with. oh, she did it. >> what is your stance on women's issues? >> look, i know a lot of women, and they all have issues. >> this lobster is a loser. throw him in the pot. i like a lobster who doesn't get caught. >> oh, my gosh. i could watch that all day. late night has had a field day with this election so far, and they still have 54 days left. donald trump is set to appear on "the tonight show with jimmy fallon" this evening, and hillary clinton will join jimmy next monday, which brings us to "time" magazine's nigh cover story. we yojoke, you decide. the seriously partisan politics of late night comedy, and radhika jones us right now. jimmy kimmel said i would love to ease up on donald trump but he makes it impossible.
this is how i feel. there's like a blurred line between news and comedy. is there not in this election? >> there really is. and we were struck by this story which came to us from our longtime comedy writer, richard sa saugland. we were speaking and he said there's something going on here. we feel it in the media, too, but late night used to be a kind of okay, we're all laughing together. we're going to, you know, we're going to do a little balanced comedy. we're going to poke fun at people's foibles. what we have seen in the past year from a lot of the new rising stars on late night is, no, we're taking sides in this election. >> right. >> and pretty universally, their side is anti-trump. so the comedy has become a lot more on the side of advocacy. it's very pointed. it's very partisan. and it's, you know, the question is does it have any effect? >> donny or mike, you can't -- i sometimes can't tell the difference between what i'm seeing on television from some of the candidates, i'll say that
carefully, that is -- i can't even tell if it already is made into a parody. >> the material obviously is there every single day for the late night comics. every single day. and multiple forums. you just wonder given the degree of difficulty of their job presenting this stuff every night, writing this stuff every night, at what point during the election cycle does something happen where really it's no longer funny? >> well, and samantha bee who has a weekly show -- >> love her. >> said exactly that to us when we interviewed her. she said, you know what. i used to think this is funny, and now i actually don't see what's funny about it. it's a pressing issue. she says i feel no compunktion about being nonpartisan on this. i have to speak from my heart. >> i spoke to a very well known person who said it's like a moral imperative. beyond the fact that the content is so good, they as people, as americans, and if you talk to any artist in any forum, any
inclusive human being who built their life on that, they feel that way. and this person said to me, and i don't care, comedian or not, this is what i'm doing. >> this is the same thing we saw in 2000 with george w. bush and "snl" making fun of him, and the same thing with sarah palin. i don't think it's entirely new. it might be very one-sided this season, but we have seen them go after politicians in a partisan way before. >> it's interesting with "snl" there's no single host giving it a constant sensibility. you're right. tina fey obviously struck a great chord with her impression of sarah palin that year. interestingly smrx of the major figures in comedy and even satire of the last decade, jon stewart, stephen colbert, when you think about where they really brought their energy, it was far more often directed at the media than at the actual politicians. they really reserved a lot of their ire for fox news as
opposed to the people in office. and that does feel like a shift. >> well, the new issue of "time" magazine is out now. radhika jones, always great to have you on the show. thank you. up next, what if anything did we learn today. 98,352 what's that? the number of units we'll make next month to maximize earnings. that's a projection. no, it's a fact. based on hundreds of proprietary and open data sets folded into a real-time, actionable analytics model. nine. eight. three. five. two. you're not gonna round that up? you don't round up facts. powerful analytics driving decisions for the world's most valuable brands. hewlett packard enterprise.
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hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured ok. donald trump compared his sacrifices to the sacrifices of two parents who lost their son in war. how would you answer that father? what sacrifice have you made for your country? i think i've made a lot of sacrifices, built great structures. i've had tremendous success, i think... those are sacrifices? time now to talk about what we learned today. i'm going to start with michael steele. michael, what did you learn? >> real quick. you know, the median political elites in the country still having figured out what's animating this electorate and this election.
they may wake up on november 9th to find out to their great horror. >> we're still learning a lot. donny deutsch? >> you're insensitive to the medical needs of between 40% and 60% of men over 70, and i was surprised. >> can i tell you, for my intenseativity, you have big business on your side because you men get that covered by insurance. okay? and you wouldn't believe what's not covered by insurance for us women. >> what is that? >> its my nickname. >> cut the mike. i've got to somehow reset here as we close the show. just forget them. stephanie ruhle, i'm very sorry, stephanie. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. have a great day. you guys, out. >> did you see mika tell donny deutsch to talk to the hand. that just happened. she told him to talk to the
hand. that was ending on a highlight. i'm stephanie ruhle. we have breaking news for you this morning. a dead heat. we're talking polls, a major new poll shows a virtual tie in the race for president with the battleground polls showing donald trump up in key states of ohio and florida. >> it is back to business. hillary clinton just hours away from returning to the campaign trail, speaking out about her health records in an interview just moments ago. >> i think i have worked very, very hard to be more transparent than not just my opponent but really in a comparison to anybody who has run. and happening now, the wizard of oz. the full donald trump reveal on the daytime talk show playing out right now. >> if i had one thing, i would like to lose weight. it's tough because of the way i live. but the one thing i would like to do is be able to drop