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you've been listening to hillary clinton for the last 25 minutes or so. she is down there in gree greensborough, north carolina. her first public appearance since late sunday in new york. that is when she left her daughter chelsea's apartment in new york after having that medical emergency at ground zero. she was last seen leaving chelsea's apartment. since then she's been sidelined from the campaign trail for the last several days recovering from what her campaign later revealed to be a diagnosis of pneumonia. hillary clinton off the campaign trail for the last three days. this event in greensborough was added to the schedule in the last day or so. this was not originally where she planned to be spending this week, but now this became her first event after that diagnosis, her first event after taking three days off. north carolina, no coincidence the clinton campaign would be
targeting north carolina. this is a key battleground state. of all the red states from 2012, there is not one that hillary clinton has a better chance of picking off this fall than north carolina. that is where she chose to have this relaunch. we're going to have much more from the ground there in greensborough. andrea mitchell will be along to join us in just a minute. but let's reset first of all what's happened the last three days. hillary clinton has been recovering, has been getting a little bit of rest from the pneumonia diagnosis. the campaign has changed a little bit, according to the numbers. donald trump has gotten some of the best polling numbers he has gotten in the general election phase of this campaign. let's take you through what the race looks like that hillary clinton is coming back into right here. first of all, this is a new poll today from the "new york times" and cbs news. these are likely voters nationally. they find a tie. hillary clinton and donald trump tied at 42%. gary johnson the libertarian, jill stein the green party
candidate. we've seen a number of national polls that have tightened like this in the last week or so. also that question of health that came to the fore as a result of what happened on sunday, this came out yesterday. this is the first measurement we had of people's reaction to what they saw, to what they read, to what they heard on sunday and afterward from hillary clinton. asking voters, just what is your own perception of the health of these candidates? and you can see in the wake of what happened sunday, donald trump getting better marks there. this is just the assessment of voters from afar. this is what they think when they see these candidates generally through television, through the media. this is their own assessment. it raised that question, though, of disclosure from hillary clinton, and she just addressed this in the speech we just heard. she talked about how she's been better at the service part than the public part. voters were asked, have they been transparent regarding their health? you see more said that donald trump had been than hillary clinton. of course, we should say since this poll was taken, hillary clinton and her campaign, they did release further medical information from hillary
clinton's doctor yesterday. this poll doesn't reflect that. maybe those numbers would change as a result of that. there was also donald trump and his appearance on dr. oz's show. no idea how that would affect these numbers, either. let's look, though, at the battleground states. that's where the real action is in the home stretch. again, brand new poll numbers and look at this. from ohio, this is out in the last few hours. donald trump with a lead over hillary clinton by three points. this is the third poll in the last two days from ohio to put donald trump ahead. that is a change in this race. also take a look, again, yesterday from florida, a cnn poll, a three-point lead for donald trump down in florida. and one more for you am iowa. iowa, of course, a state president obama carried twice. this is in the last few hours. donald trump leading now by eight points over hillary clinton in the monmouth poll out of that state. one of the things you're seeing here, one of the reasons donald trump is getting stronger numbers in these swing states, stronger numbers nationally, it's past labor day now, and a
lot of these pollsters had switched to what they called their likely voter model. they're now trying to determine who among those registered voters is actually likely to show up and vote in november. how do they do that? they measure enthusiasm. that's one of the ways they look at this. and check this out. it's cbs news, "new york times" national poll. their finding more enthusiasm for trump voters. clinton voters, 36% of them. when you're looking at these likely voter models, they're trying to measure who is most likely? if it's two feet of snow, if it's pouring rain, whatever the conditions are, who is most likely to get out there and vote on election day? that is one of the reasons from these likely voter models you have seen the numbers shift in trump's direction. that is what the landscape looks like as hillary clinton returns to the campaign trail. i'm going to turn now to kristen welker. she's joining us from
washington, d.c. she's been following all the twists and turns in this mini saga involving hillary clinton this week. kristin, it was an interesting speech we just heard there from hillary clinton. this was an attempt to reset her message, i think, to take a bigger picture view of this race. this was hillary clinton saying in the final weeks of this campaign, she said she was going to return to her roots, basically. what did you make of it? >> well, i made two things of it. first, i think you're right it was a reset. but i also think, steve, it was an attempt to reassure voters that she is healthy and strong and ready to get back into this fight. one of the lines that stood out to me is when she said, you can accuse me of a lot of things, but you can never accuse me of giving up. essentially saying, look, i tried to power through this illness, it didn't work, i had to take a few days off and now i'm back and now i'm strong and ready to get back in the game. that was, i think, the first takeaway. the optics will be very important today, steve. you're absolutely right. the broader point here was to reset her message, the stronger
together theme that she and tim kaine have been talking about, have been running on. and you heard her talking about she used this time off thinking about the importance of having paid family leave and sick leave and to really contrast that with what we heard from donald trump earlier this week when he rolled out his plan for paid family leave, she knocked that very hard and effectively accused him of rolling out a plan that was only targeted toward women and not families more broadly. so i think that was one of her sharper attacks. and then, of course, she did get into the politics of north carolina, the voting laws or the proposed voting laws that would have been some of the toughest voting laws in the country, and really used that as an issue to rally her supporters there in mcincom north carolina. i think this was a speech aimed at really reinvigorating her campaign which clearly has had a rough patch, particularly when you look at the polls you just laid out, steve. i think you're right, the campaign sees a real opening in north carolina, and that's why they want to do this reset there, steve. >> kristin welker in washington,
thank you for that. as i said, we would be hearing from andrea mitchell. apparently hillary clinton will be doing a small q and a on board the plane. andrea is dealing with that right now. we hope to be hearing from her later. also, there is the issue of donald trump, hillary clinton's opponent here. hillary clinton in that speech we just showed you, she said she will never be the showman that donald trump is, and she made reference to that appearance donald trump made on the dr. oz show, dr. trump giving some sort of summary of a health review from his doctor to dr. oz, dr. oz reading that on the air. that has been playing out in the last day or so, that show. that show actually airing today, and trump who hasn't said too much about hillary clinton's health situation. he did last night in a rally. take a listen. >> it's hot, and it's always hot when i perform because the crowds are so big. these rooms were not designed for this kind of a crowd. i don't know, folks, do you think hillary would be able to stand up here for an hour and do
this? i don't know. i don't think so. i don't think so. we want herber better, we want back on the trail, right? we want her back on the trail. >> what we just watched in greensborough, this is in part an effort to encourage voters. >> she is great. if she had her way, she would have been on a plane to california. she is a woman, like she said, who likes to power through, she likes to keep working. but she took her doctor's advice and took a few days off and she is so glad to be back there in north carolina. she had something happen that candidates almost never have, shade few days to reflect, to talk to good friends on the
phone, to read, to think. she really came to the conclusion that she really wants to close this campaign in the last 54 days the way it started for her, talking about children and families. this is a children's advocate running for president of the united states. that's what got her into public service. as a young woman, she worked for the children's fund. this is the passion of her life. she's going to close this campaign the way it all started for her and get out there and talk about what she would do as president of the united states for america's children and families. >> does that mean, because the last speech she gave before this happened was the one that made a lot of news. she talked about donald trump supporters as deplorable, she talked about them as not being redeemable. >> let's just clarify. she said she misspoke when she said half. >> she said half but it sounded like she meant a big number. >> it is just a campaign that he's run on prejudice and paranoia and she has called him out for the things he's said and
certainly the embrace of allbright is really troubling and not someone who should run for president of the united states. but she is talking to america about what she will do as president. this is a candidate who put out an entire book of her policies from the zika virus to a presntt apprenti apprenticeship. she wants to deal with the problems american families are dealing with today. >> as you look at these poll numbers that were put out, i think you think of the image people saw on sunday as she left the event and then the cell phone videos emerged. for some that was a frightening image to see. you don't see a presidential candidate that way almost never. look at the poll numbers that came up the last few days. people asked to judge the health of these two candidates. nobody are doctors, nobody has examined them, but this is just a judgment voters are making from afar, and it looks like they have more concerns about her health than donald trump's. fair or not, that seems to be
what voters saw. >> she got really overheated on sunday, she was sick from pneumonia on antibiotics, and she just became sick and lost herbal. that -- her balance. that's why we put out medical information yesterday and just so people can see she's strong and ready to serve. donald trump didn't tell voters the status of his health, not to mention not submitting his tax returns. we have potentially a president of the united states with a web of business dealings around the world that we as american voters, he hasn't explained to us how he would deal with that or how he would divest. this could have real effects on our national security.
>> she also talked about transparency, and i think she said this in her acceptance speech as well. she said the idea of public service, i've always been better at the service side than the public side. she says how she errs more on the side of privacy when she looks at these things. i wonder, though, when you look at the politics of what's played out over the last few days, this diagnosis of pneumonia, she didn't share it with a lot of people, she tried to power through -- >> tried to power through, yes. >> maybe she had a political calculation, too, look, this could be inconvenient if this gets out. >> honestly, she just thought she could power through. >> donald trump has been in sin waiting all these things about me the past few weeks. if people find out i have pneumonia, maybe it will put doubt in their minds. do you think that never came up in her thoughts? >> no, this is a woman who traveled around the world, she traveled millions of miles
around the united states. she just powers through. she's an incredibly hard worker. i have to say for us on the staff when we wake up sick, we don't want to take a day off, either. she is always out there working. and the 9/11 memorial on sunday, she didn't want to miss that. she was a senator from new york when 9/11 happened, and she wanted to go there and show her respect. >> i'm just looking at how this looked for people. it's all monday morning quarterbacking, but if people heard, hey, hillary clinton has got a mild case of pneumonia, and then she were to show up, anyway, i think people would have looked at that and said, that's an admirable thing, and then if she had to leave early, there is no surprise, really, it's understandable, but the way this all played out and then to take basically the entire day sunday -- >> for us and the campaign, we should have gotten that information out faster. our main concern was just to make sure she was okay and to make sure she was able to see her doctor that day and then put
out information from her doctor as soon as she had the examination, which we did. but again, this is a real stark contrast to donald trump who doesn't expose anything. we had no tax returns, he had a joke of a medical record and went on television yesterday. he hasn't divulged any serious information about that, let alone his business interests with russia and india, how that would affect him as our president. it's troubling and there's a real stark contrast here. >> patricia shockey from the hillary clinton campaign, thank you. >> thank you. we're going to bring you hillary clinton in greensborough. we'll keep an eye on that, bring it to you when it happens. donald trump laid out his economic plan earlier today in new york, talking about trying to simplify the number of tax brackets, trying to slash corporate tax rates. we're going to look at his plan, we're going to talk to an expert and we're going to see, did the
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hallie jackson has been covering the trump campaign. hallie, he's been taking a couple cracks at this when he talks about the tax plan, talks about growth. >> here's the headlines. if you want the bringing umbrella picture, steve, this is what it is to me. you talked about him painting a picture, he also painted a picture of an incredibly rosy economy. he said he's promising over the next decade 25 million new jobs. he's also promising 4.5% or 3.5%, he said one and then he said the other. we've not seen 3.5% since 2004. how is he going to do this? part of it is through tax reform, we'll talk about that. part of it is through recreating trade deals, et cetera, but what trump did not talk about is entitlement reform, and that's something voters believe needs to be done in order to bring
down the deficit. so when it comes to the issue of tax reform, how do we pay for this, how does the nation grow, what do you do? here's what trump had to say about that. listen. >> by lowering rates, streamlining deductions and simplifying the process, we will add millions and millions of new jobs. in addition, because we have strongly capped deductions for the wealthy and closed special interest loopholes, the tax relief will be concentrated on the working and middle class taxpayer. they will receive the biggest benefit and it won't even be close. they have been forgotten. we are not going to forget them. >> one of the highlights of trump's speech there. he also said the president would cut waste abuse. the question is, what would that do economically? donald trump promising a bright
future if he's elected. short, frankly, on the details and the nitty-gritty of how that would happen. >> hallie jackson, thanks for that. for more on what donald trump is promising and whether it's realistic, let's turn to martin feldstein. we're actually going to see hillary clinton in greensborough. let's take a look at what she's saying. >> i'm here in greensborough to give a possibitive speech about vision for the country and how i strongly believe we are actually stronger together because i want to give americans something to vote for, not just against. with all the noise and distraction, it's important to focus on what really matters and the real choice in this election. this is about the kind of country we want to be, whether we'll make the economy work for everybody and not just those at the top, whether we will bring people together or pit americans against each other, whether we'll work with our allies to
keep us safe or put a loose cannon in charge who would risk everything. i'm going to close my campaign focused on opportunities for kids and fairness for families. that's been the cause of my life, it will be the passion in my presidency. we're offering ideas, not insults, plans that will make a real difference in people's lives, not prejudice and paranoia. and as you know, my opponent is running a very different kind of campaign. his latest target is a pastor in flint, michigan who respectfully asked him not to use her pulpit for political attacks. he called her a nervous mess. that's not only insulting, it's dead wrong. reverend faith green timmons is not a nervous mess, she is a rock for her community in trying times. she deserves better than that. and flint deserves better. in fact, so does america.
so i'm going to keep working as hard as i can to lift up our country, not tear it apart. i honestly believe there is so much more that unites us than divides us, and i believe in my heart that america is big enough to share in this promise. so i'm determined to be a president for democrats, republicans and independents, for all americans to really roll up our sleeves, solve our problems and make positive differences in people's lives. so with that, i'd be happy to answer your questions. hey, celia. >> when you were at home reflecting over these last three days, i wonder. [ inaudible ] >> celia, i've always said this was going to be a tight race. i've said it from the very beginning. whether i was up, down, it didn't matter.
i think those are the kinds of presidential elections that we have in america at this point in our history. i'm very proud of the campaign that we have put together. i feel like we are in a strong position going into these last weeks. what matters is who registers to vote and who is motivated and mobilized to turn out to vote. and i'm going to keep doing everything i can to deliver my message about what's at stake in this election, and my campaign is going to continue to work hard every day to turn out every voter we possibly can. that's our goal and that's our strategy. >> the deal john kerry and lavrov negotiated and reports out of aleppo already determined that they are having trouble reaching the city. i wonder if you think the agreement can hold, and if not,
what should the next steps of the united states be? >> this has been such a terrible conflict in tand the humanitari cost is in cacalcable. i really applaud secretary kerry's persistence at trying to reach some sort of agreement with the russians in order to create a period of cessation of hostilities in order to get humanitarian assistance into aleppo and other places within syria. i think whether or not this works is really up to the russians. it is up to whether or not vladimir putin decides that it's time to do what the russians can do to bring this conflict into a period where there can be the beginning of political
discussions, a hoped-for protective zone for people who are under relentless assault from the air, and a commitment to going after the terrorist groups that pose a threat to everyone. so i'm going to watch this closely, but at the end of it, it's going to be determined by whether or not the russians decide it is in their interests to pursue this agreement. >> it appeared that your running mate tim kaine may not have been aware of your pneumonia on friday. i'm wondering when you informed him? and if you didn't inform him on friday, what does that say about what your relationship would be like with him in the white house, how in the know he would be in minutes of your administration? >> my senior staff knew, and the information was provided to a number of people.
look, this was an ailment that many people just power through, and that's what i thought i would do as well. i didn't want to stop, i didn't want to quit campaigning. i certainly didn't want to miss the 9/11 memorial. as a senator at that time, i consider it a sacred moment, and i was determined to get there. it didn't work out, so i got the antibiotics up and going, got the rest that i needed and we're going on from there. >> in terms of tim kaine, expand on how often you talk and how you see your relationship, whether he would be a real partner. we've seen some good partnerships, some not so good
partnerships. do you feel your partnership is in any way jeopardized because you didn't explain to him and had that unfortunate scene. >> i communicated with tim, i talked to him again last night. he has been a great partner and he's going to be a great vice president. [ inaudible ] >> we communicated, but i'm not going to go into our personal conversations a conversations, and i feel comfortable and confident about our relationship and i really feel comfortable working with him closely. >> your year has gotten rough and you've put up some defenses. can you be more specific about what those defenses are that you're referring to, and do voters get a glimpse of that in the way your campaign handled
the events surrounding your illness over the weekend? >> my campaign has said they could have been faster, and i agree with that. i certainly expect them to be as focused and quick as possible. but i have to say from my perspective, i thought i was going to be fine, and i thought that there wasn't really any reason to make a big fuss about it. so i should have taken time off earlier. i didn't, now i have, and i'm back on the campaign trail. [ inaudible ] >> -- citizens can vote in the united states, so why are you making that sort of calculated choice to take time off from the
campaign trail in the contrast with donald trump? >> i think it's important to be constantly reaching out, listening to, learning from leaders, and i was pleased to be able to find the time to meet with several of them, which i intend to do, to hear firsthand their perspective about what they see happening in the world today, to answer their questions from what i think is happening, whether it's in syria or anywhere else. there is a lot going on in the world. and i have a longstanding set of relationships that go back not only to secretary of state and senator, but back to first lady, and i think it's important to tend to those relationships. and i won't be able to have as many meeting because of the press of the campaign as i have had in prior years, but i'm looking forward to the ones we
are scheduling. thank you, all, very much. >> that was hillary clinton there with a quick press conference. about 10 minutes there in greensborough, north carolina. this comes just after she delivered that speech right at the university of north carolina at greensborough there. that was hillary clinton's first speech that she delivered a little while ago, her first public appearance since she left her daughter chelsea's apartment here in new york city on sunday. that was after leaving the 9/11 memorial early because of what her campaign leader revealed to be a pneumonia diagnosis. she followed up that speech with that appearance you just saw in front of the press, taking a few questions there. she was pressed. you could see there was a question about russia, there was a question there about the release of the information about her health, about the fact that her running mate, her potential vice president, tim kaine, didn't seem to know about the diagnosis. she was asked there by her own andrea mitchell, if you could
hear. i know the audio was a little soft there, but andrea mitchell asking her about what that said about her relationship with tim kaine, what that role would be, what that relationship would be if tim kaine became vice president. andrea mitchell is joining us on the phone there from greensborough. andrea, what did you make of what you just heard there from hillary clinton? >> hillary clinton trying to get past her break. she had a very respectable speech, she didn't have coughing or any effects from her pneumonia. she wanted to get back to the real issues. she said she used her time off to try to focus on what's important, and she talked about children and families and what she thinks is really the important case she wants to make to the american people. in her q and a just now, she was defensive when pressed about why she wasn't more public and why she hadn't even told her running mate tim kaine about her pneumonia when this happened.
that's the other side of the hillary clinton. the carefully calibrated, modulated speech she delivered was probably very effective with this audience. there was one protester but that was just one rude person who got shouted down. but the fact is that she still is not very open to taking a lot of questions, which sometimes that happens. >> it sounds like you were asking her specifically about tim kaine, her running mate. about whether he was in the loop on this and what that would say about their relationship if she's elected. >> tim kaine acknowledged with our affiliate in michigan that he did not know about her pneumonia until this was revealed publicly sunday night rather than having been told on friday when she was diagnosed. it's getting really noisy, i'm not sure i'm going to be able to hear you.
i'm going to the buses so we can fly back to d.c. >> i appreciate you talking to us, andrea mitchell. she was there for the press conference that followed the university of income mcspeeof n speech in greensborough. phillip bump, let me start with you. bottom line, we put some of the numbers up at the top of this hour. fair or not, the polling that's out there in terms of how voters, how americans reacted to what they saw on sunday, hillary clinton leaving that ground zero event. more questions pr votefrom votet the state of her health, more concern about the state of her health. this was hillary clinton in a way attempting to reassure voters. did she do that? >> yeah. i think the most remarkable thing about what we just saw from hillary clinton in the q and a afterward, that it wasn't particularly remarkable. she talked to the press, which is something she started to do recently and hadn't done for a
while in that format. i think that's exactly what the campaign wanted to do. i think it's exactly what hillary clinton wanted to do. if you've been running for president as long as she has, going back to 2008, you probably get antsy when you're sidelined like she was in the last couple of days. i think this will end up being sort of a blip. i doubt there are clinton voters who are thinking about voting for donald trump because hillary clinton had pneumonia for a couple of days. i don't think there will be a long-term effect in this, and i think she's back to where she want to be for the past few days. >> michael bender, what did you think? there was sort of an attempt to reset the race, reset the message to make this a sort of victory speech. what do you say? >> she delivered a speech well enough. she didn't cough, she looked well. but also i think this highlighted some of her vulnerabilities, too. i mean, a good line, i thought,
today was her line about public service, that she's better at the service and not the public piece of it, which i think is an objectively true statement and a good one, but, you know, she has a tendency to feel like she's doing exactly what she's doing. she's reading lines off the teleprompter. now, that's something the trump campaign has been trying to get him to do for months. i mean, i'd like to see hillary clinton do one of these without a teleprompter and give herself a little bit of, you know, let people see her deliver some of these lines on her own. i mean, she was pressed on the tim kaine question. i'm not sure how big of a deal it is that tim kaine didn't know that clinton had pneumonia. i mean, she's not the president yet, he's not next in line yet. but it does speak more broadly -- they've held out
kaine as someone who will have an integrity ral role in her legislation. >> michael and phillip, if you both stand byment we'. we'll have much more on the hillary clinton campaign. donald trump took another shot today at laying out his economic point. we have michael feldstein here. he's a top republican economist, a reagan administration veteran. he's going to talk about what donald trump said today and the key question, do the numbers add up? we're going to bring that to you right after this break. stay with us. your car insurance policy
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want me to say this, but i think we can do better than that. now they're upset. they'll be very upset, but i think we can do substantially better than that. in working with my economic team, we put together a plan that puts us on track to achieve that goal. over the next 10 years, our economic team estimates that under our plan, the economy will average 3.5% growth and create a total of 25 million new jobs. you can visit our website, just look at the math. it works. >> donald trump earlier today laying out his economic vision. he's talking about more economic growth, a lot more jobs. he says this will be deficit neutral, may even cut the deficit. he's talking about tax cuts. a lot of things that probably sound good tie lo a lot of peop so of course it raises the question, do the numbers add up. i want to turn now to martin
feldstein, former economic adviser to president reagan. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> donald trump is talking about growth. he says 4% is what he really wants. the plan that he puts out, apparently, is based on 3.5%. to put this in some perspective for people, you have to go all the way back to the year 2000 to find us as a country getting 4% growth. i think you have to go back to 2004 to find 3.5%. so in terms of what those numbers mean, in modern times those have been very difficult to obtain. is it realistic to think he could get us there? >> i think the problem in getting there is we're starting with a full employment economy. the unemployment rate under 5%, you're not going to get growth by driving down the unemployment rate. so it's going to be tough. tax cuts help, but whether they can produce numbers that big, i'm doubtful of. >> and that's key, because he's pointing to that growth. he's saying that growth is going
to be key to not exploding the deficit with this thing. so let's take a look. the reason people say this may be exploding the deficit, we can put this up. he's saying we have seven tax brackets right now. let's have only three tax brackets. we'll have 33, 25 and 12. we're going to bring back the corporate tax rate, down from 35 to 15%. that could be a lot of revenue and explode the deficit, the response from trump is more growth. so if he's not hitting 4.5%, not hitting 3.5%, what do they do to the deficit? >> they make it bigger. it's already projected even before these cuts, already projected to be growing at a substantial rate. so the congressional budget office tells us that now we have a debt to gdp ratio of about 75%. a decade from now, if we don't have cuts or slowdowns in the
growth of entitlements, we'll be at about 85% and continuing to rise. so add more cuts, more tax cuts to that without doing something on the spending side, on the entitlement side and the deficits will be even larger. >> and that's the other piece of this. he says specifically he doesn't want to cut the military, he doesn't want to cut entitleme s entitlements. we're talking social security, medicare, those are off the table. what he did say was he could cut the deficit by cutting one penny from every dollar of federal spending that's not the military, that's not social security, that's not medicare. he said that. it sounds like a pain-free way to save a lot of money. would you save that much money and would it be pain free if did you that? >> it would be pretty pain free. i think cutting one cent on the dollar out of every non-defense discretionary program, but they're small programs. they amount in total to about 3.5% of gdp. so if you take off 1% of 3%,
boy, it's hard to find it without a magnifying glass. so that's not going to do much in terms of deficit reduction. >> okay. that's a little bit more about putting the numbers in context that donald trump put out today. martin feldstein, thanks for the time. appreciate t. >> good being with you. >> we're going to take another break. much more ahead. stay with us.
bill legalizing discrimination and suddenly feels like a second-class citizen. >> that was just a few minutes ago down there in greensborough, north carolina. hillary clinton returning to the campaign trail. she chooses north carolina for her first event. not a coincidence there. north carolina is a red state from 2012 that she is tarkt ige. she certainly has a chance there from quinnipiac looking for likely voters. nbc's chris jansing has been in north carolina, part of the battleground america tour. she visits us from durham, the home of duke university. chris jansing, what are you hearing on the ground there? >> reporter: it's not surprising hillary clinton decided to talk about hb2. that's that bill affecting transgender people. it's been in the newspapers here for three straight days, and that's because the naacp and the
aac has canceled a vote on hb2. now as he put it, my beloved lrk gbts have gone away. take a listen. >> what i wish is that the law does not exist. duke has been very firm in its denunciation of the law. it's not just that we have a community that firmly welcomes every kind of person in the world here and then creates a world where everyone has the benefit of being fellow citizens with their neighbor. these things matter to us. i wish the law had not been passed. i wish it would be repealed. >> reporter: the clinton team here believes that hb2 helps them with college-educated white
voters. that's a group that republicans have won for 60 years of presidential contests, but while mitt romney won it solidly in 2012, hillary clinton is ahead by seven points in that group. they think they can build on that because donald trump flipped first supporting the bill, then saying he didn't. you're going to hear a lot about that from clinton, folks. in addition to that, don't expect this whole issue to go away because there is obviously a major focus on it as well in a very tightly contested gubernatorial race. steve? >> chris jansing down at duke university campus. thank you for that. joining me now, michael bender of the wall street journal, phillip bump of the "washington post," continuing the conversation we started earlier. we showed this at the top of the show. some of the polls coming out in the last few days, they're finding a tie with likely voters. hillary clinton, donald trump, you look in some of these swing
states. donald trump moving ahead in the average of poll nz his in ohio, florida. i think he might be ahead in iowa, too. we're seeing for the first time trump pull ahead in some blue states. >> that's exactly right, and that's a critical measure because romney lost in 2012, because donald trump needs to do better than mitt romney did in some of those states. ohio and iowa are two big states in which he's pulled ahead. in the course of the last few months, it's gone to typical republicans slightly behind him. he's now in a position that mitt romney would have been in about four years ago, and he still needs to overperform with a lot of the states that are still close. it as i remembcertainly is the gained ground on the national polling, but he still has more ground to cover before we can say he would win. >> that is something that that's the position donald trump is in right now, somebody who emerged from the republican primaries
the least popular nominee in modern american history, someone with a traditional campaign completely lacking in most of the areas we look at. the campaign has to focus on someone who has stepped on it time and time again with inflammatory rhetoric. there was a poll that 60% of voters think he is biased against women and minorities. as phillip bump said, he is basically performing as a generic republican right now. >> it is pretty amazing and makes you wonder what hillary clinton has to do to pull herself away. and also underscores the fact these are the two most disliked candidates of all time. our poll at the wall street journal last month showed that 1% of voters had a favorable opinion of both clinton and trump. to put that in some context, about 1 of every 3 voters, 35% of voters three years ago, said they both liked obama and trump.
now statistically, 1% have that view of both clinton and trump. you talk about the numbers and how they don't add up for trump, you wonder if it even matters at this point. when it comes to policy, most people can easily tell you what trump's main policy is, immigration, depending on what slice you want to look at it. i'm not sure many do do that for clinton which has, as she points out, a web of policy. what's her policy? >> thanks for hanging out, appreciate it. we're going over to hampton pearson. >> the dow up for 178 points, the s&p gaining 21, the nasdaq climbing by 76 points. that's it from cnbc, doing business worldwide.
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i said at the top of the show this race has changed in a potentially significant way, clinton versus trump, and i want to show you at the end of the show exactly what that means in terms of numbers. we're always talking about the bottom line for donald trump as he has to start flipping blue states. in the state of iowa, this is a state that president obama carried twice, if you average together the polls in that state right now, this is a blue state, and in the average of the polls, donald trump has the lead there. not the only blue state now where that is the case. check this out. in ohio, three straight polls puts donald trump ahead, puts him in the league with the
average, and also the state of florida. florida a very close state in 2012. president obama won it. less than a point. donald trump has the lead there. in the average lead, trump has the lead and that's pretty significant. he's in a better place than he used to be. mtp daily starts now. >> if it's thursday, hillary clinton is campaigning again and probably not a moment too soon. her poll numbers, though, continue to slip. >> tonight hillary clinton is back on the trail -- >> i thought i was going to be fine, and i thought that there wasn't really any reason to make a big fuss about it. >> also the phony fears about election fraud. it's almost nonexistent. so why do so many people believe it's a problem? and a tie in the electoral college. you may write it off as a political junkies' dream, but it's more possible this cycle than you