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our own chris hayes throwing out the first pitch at wrigley field tonight. >> a life-long cubs fan, chris hayes! >> oh, god bless him. chris went up to the mound, threw it. he described it himself as a ball about three inches off the right side of the plate to a righty. he wrote on twitter, crucially, didn't bounce it. god bless you, chris hayes, may the baseball gods always smile upon you, unless they are playing the red sox. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> where are you going to throw out the first ball? >> i'm too embarrassed. i'm terrible. >> we've got to get you an invitation right now, somewhere. >> please don't. >> anywhere. >> no thank you, lawrence.
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transparent presidential candidate since the invention of tax returns, but then no candidate in history has ever revealed as much as donald trump has revealed about his deplorable impulses and motivations, and he did that again today. >> hi, guys. >> hillary clinton back on the campaign trail today. >> i'll never be the showman my opponent is, and that's okay with me. >> if you think this is easy, it's not. >> look at the show he put on with dr. oz today. >> when you look into the mirror, how old is the person you're looking at? >> a person that's 35 years old. >> with all the noise and distraction, it's important to focus on what really matters. >> i don't blame them at all. if you can get away with it, they're going to get away with it. >> trump is a human leech.
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>> he's too chicken to show his tax returns to the american people. >> it has if to do with given the american people the information they need and deserve before they go to the polls. >> no one knows what he's up to, with russia or libya or any other country. >> i like china, they're my tenant. they buy condos all the time. >> what is so bad that donald trump has to hide it? >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> okay. going to start with a quick quiz. which presidential candidate answered a question today with these exact words? i'll answer that question at the right time. i just don't want to answer it yet. sounds like something jill stein would say or gary johnson could say it. but if you guessed donald trump, you got it right. i'll answer that question at the
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right time. i just don't want to answer it yet. here's the one thing you know. that if hillary clinton ever said those words in answer to a question, the outrage from the political news media would be deafening. there would be banners across the bottom of tv screens running all day with that quote word for word, but that's the answer donald trump has given all year to the question was president obama born in the united states? robert costa decided to ask him that question again. and his story posted tonight. donald trump said, i'll answer that question at the right time. i just don't want to answer it yet. and donald trump will get away with that. because that is a normal answer within the profound world of donald trump for president campaign. trump said i don't talk about it anymore. and that was that. donald trump said i don't talk
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about it anymore. i wish just once, just once hillary clinton would try that. i don't talk about it anymore. she would never get away with that. but the media's outrage would so perfectly illuminate the double standard that the political news media is using for donald trump and hillary clinton. it is unlike anything we have ever seen before in media coverage of a presidential campaign or any campaign anywhere in the united states. we are living through a historic era of systems failure. we witnessed the epic failure of the republican party to nominate a responsible, fundamentally decent candidate for president. and we are watching the epic failure of the american news media to reveal the candidate the republicans did nominate. are you living in extraordinary times, and an extraordinary thing happened today during a donald trump speech. he revealed more about himself than he intended. much more.
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now i know that happens all the time when he growls his hateful comments into microphones. when he flings vicious insults at women like megyn kelly, he doesn't mean to reveal that is he a vicious sexist monster. he doesn't mean to reveal that is he a racist, but that stuff happens all the time. we know he does this all the time. but today was different. it was very different. what was so extraordinary about today's trump moment was that he inadvertently revealed something very important and very personal about himself. in the middle of an economic policy speech. suddenly, without donald trump realizing it, of course, he presented his personal philosophy of life. it all poured out, when he described what our government does when china violates international trade rules. >> we do nothing. we allow them to get away with it.
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who can blame them? and i don't blame them at all. if you can get away with it, they're going to get away with it. >> who can blame them? donald trump will never blame anyone for anything, if they can get away with it. that, apparently, is the trump motto, all's fair in love and whatever you can get away with. maybe that's what his father taught him when they were denying apartments to black families in the 1970s. that's not what my father taught me. that's not what the nuns taught me. the true test of character was what we chose to do when we knew we could get away with it. who can blame them? that's the trump attitude. i don't blame them at all, he says. if you can get away with it, they're going to get away with it. is that what donald trump teaches these kids? is that the motto of the trump organization? is it framed somewhere on the trump organization? donald trump's kids certainly
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watched him live his life by if you can get away with it standard. donald trump was still married to and living with the mother of his first three children when he secretly started dating the second m. trump,nd he was still married to and living with the first mrs. trump when he started publicly dating the second mrs. trump. and the trump children and their friends had the opportunity to watch the still-married donald trump dating marla maples, so deliberately and publicly that it was covered on a daily basis in the new york post. he did that, because he could get away with it. he put the first mrs. trump and his children through that public humiliation because he could get away with it. he created trump university and illegally called it a university, because he could get away with it. he took money from naïve victims who believed his lies about trump university, because he could get away with it.
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and he would still be getting away with it if the attorney general of new york hadn't stopped him. he created the trump foundation and then filled it up with other people's money and made charitable contributions from the trump foundation with other people's money and claimed all the charitable credit for himself in his name, because he could get away with it. and he did get away with it nor -- for years and years until one reporter, david fahrenthold revealed. he thinks he can get away with it. and he mostly does get away it, because the american public news media has not figured out who deal with this lying. he lied in his speech today repeatedly, beginning with republicans' favorite lie, that a massive tax cut will create a
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massive increase, magically, in revenue to the federal government instead of a massive loss to the federal government and a massive increase in the national debt. that's an argument that will go on forever. republican presidents will continue to cut taxes irresponsibly as george w. bush did and create skyrocketing debt. we are condemned now to live through that cycle of republican irresponsibility and democratic fiscal responsibility for the foreseeable future. when donald trump was inadvertently delivering his philosophy of life he told a lie. he said when china violates trade rules we do nothing. we allow them to get away with it. he then made the promise about
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how all that with change under president trump. >> china's unfair subsidy behavior is prohibited by the terms of its entrance into the wto, and i intend to enforce the rules. >> whoa. finally, that will just be so amazing to have a president who finally enforces those rules. imagine president trump dragging china in front of the world trade organization every year and sending in the sharpest trade lawyers to beat up china and win that case in the wto. that would be so amazing. and if president trump can actually do that, he would be doing exactly half as well as the obama administration does now. the obama administration has filed complaints against china on average twice a year. 14 in all. it has won every single one of them in the wto. every one. you want to sound like the smartest person at your next
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different party? whip out that statistic. i promise you, no one will know it. most of the complaints we bring to the wto are against china, and we win them all. we win every one of them. we also win all the other complaints that we bring to the wto. the obama administration has brought nine other cases to the wto that do not involve china. won every one of them. and that's just the tip of the iceberg of what donald trump got wrong in his economic policy in his speech today. joinings now, jared bernstein. he was the former chief economist to vice president bider, and michael greenwald. jared, take it away. it was a policy speech filled with a grab bag of stuff. what would you want a rotor to think about if you could just give them one or two items out of that trump speech today? >> a $4.4 trillion tax cut that
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is allegedly paid for, you used the massive word, allegedly paid for by supply-side, trickle down fairy dust. you mentioned the george w. bush economic plan. this is pretty much that on steroids. we're talking about a tax cut tilted toward the wealthy that's even larger than the one that george w. bush did leavened with the same. you remember the great recession that grew ouof that plan, the budget deficits, the increase in the debt, that's precisely the type of scenario, but amped up. but as you correctly identified, the idea that we're still arguing about growth effects around these supply-side trickle down tax cuts is truly unfortunate. >> it's because truth isn't good enough anymore.
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i want to listen to something donald trump said about how this, his economic plan is all about the little guy. and if you're making $5 million, it won't do you any good at all. let's listen to this. >> a married couple earning $75,000 per year, with two children and $10,000 in child care, expenses will receive a 30% reduction in their tax bill from what they're paying right now. by contrast, someone earning $5 million like the people in this room will receive virtually no change in their tax bill at all. >> so michael, there's donald trump, if you really translate what he's saying, if you make $75,000 a year a couple under my plan, you'll save a couple thousand dollars in your tax bill. then he tries to say if you are making $5 million, you won't get anything? in his tax plan, if you are making $5 million, you will get a tax cut of $330,000.
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but, in his speech today, that's not a number he wanted to throw around. >> there are a lot of fish in donald trump's fact-checking barrel. >> yes. go ahead. shoot away. >> he also, he also said that hispanic poverty has been increasing, when the census report just came out and showed that actually last year was one of the sharpest declines in poverty in decades. so it's tough, you know. next week he might deny that he was ever at the new york economic club. so it's difficult to sort of truth squad this stuff. >> jared, some interesting moments, a bit more sophisticated than his typical audience. when he did say, and he did say at one point, mexico will pay for the wall. all he got was laughter, and it was laughter from people who know that that's a joke. that's never going to happen. >> that would be great. if donald trump was a comedian, that would be fine. unfortunately, he's running for
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president. hey, let me just underscore one point about this nonsense about the people with $5 million not getting anything. donald trump cuts the corporate tax rate more than half, down to 15%. now corporate income is disproportionately concentrated at the top of the scale. so that right there suggests that of course that's not true. there's a cut in the capital gains rate, there's a child care plan, and it's based on deductions from your tax liability. now anytime you have a tax deduction, the people who pay the highest tax rate get the biggest deduction. so guess what, it's tilted toward the wealthy once again. so that's more nonsense. >> the other big gift he's giving is he's pulling the top income tax rate down to 33. and that is a massive number for those incomes up there in the millions. >> exactly. not to mention eliminating the estate tax which at this point is only for estates of people like donald trump.
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>> and jared, on the international trade story. i want to go back to where we began. in political campaigns it always becomes a one-sided story, and no one wants to jump out there and defend the way we're doing business now. but when you look at the way the united states polices its interests in the wto it does it more successfully than any other country in the world. >> right. i mean that the, since china ascended to the wto in 2001, the developments have been much like you described. and when donald trump talks about going after china, it's all precisely the kind of bluster that is the same as when he talks about anything else. there's never an actual plan that corresponds to reality. i'm reminded, he said the military, maybe the military should have a legal system. of course the military already has a legal system, and we already have a wto.
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now that doesn't mean there isn't more we could do on trade policy. i think there is, i think there's things we should do. i think there's way to restructure our trade deals to be more helpful to working folks, but i don't trust donald trump to do that. >> you have paul ryan come out today saying that donald trump should release the tax returns. didn't put a specific timetable on it, but it's now become pretty much impossible to find anybody outside of his family who's supporting the hide the tax returns game. >> he's basically said, just like with his health records. he said, you know, if there was something bad, i wouldn't tell you. so he's not telling you about his taxes. one thing i would just add to what jared said, when he's talking about economics, and we can nit-pick the plans, but his supporters, this is not economic thing.
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this is not a phenomenon driven by economic anxiety. it's cultural resentment. when he's talking about china, he doesn't know the rules of the wto, but he does understand that people want somebody to blame. blame china. blame mexico. blame the black lives matter guys who don't respect law enforcement. that's been a pretty effective message for him, even though we might sit here and snicker about it. >> i think that's key. thank you for joining me. appreciate it. coming up, if looks like hillary clinton's got her groove back. and the trump children are losing their groove, if they ever had their groove, and that's too much talk about grooves. we're going to be right back.
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you've stayed focussed, no matter what kind of outlandish and offensive comments we have
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heard from my opponent and his supporters. by the way, i personally think a taco truck on every corner sounds absolutely delicious. >> that was hillary clinton tonight in her return to the campaign trail. we will bring you more of hillary clinton's return to the campaign trail, which included an awful lot of direct shots at donald trump. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash.
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in november in an election that sends a message that even he can hear. >> you can see it right there, hillary clinton got her groove back today after three days of doctor-recommended rest. hillary clinton resumed her presidential campaign today, traveling to greensboro, north carolina by addition the last crazy thing donald trump said before she left the campaign trail. >> and by the way, when they circle our beautiful destroyers, with their little boats, and they make gestures at our people that they shouldn't be allowed to make they will be shot out of the water. [cheers and applause] okay, believe me. >> that threat to start world war iii has gone unnoticed by most political news media, but not by the former secretary of state.
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>> just a few days ago, he said that if another country's troops taunted ours, not fired at them, but taunted them just once, he'd respond, he would respond by blowing them out of the water. he would start a war over that. [ crowd boos ] that is just one more reason, my friends, why the stakes in this election are as high as any in our lifetimes. >> joining us now, howard dean. he's also a msnbc political analyst. howard, that point that hillary clinton went to in her first speech today which was that last crazy thing donald trump said before she left the campaign trail about nothing less than what would provoke donald trump to start a war. i mean, hillary clinton could not have returned to the trail
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raising a more important issue than that. >> yeah, partly because this is the area that she knows cold. donald trump doesn't know much about much. his economic speech was a total disaster, he's basically a crook. he really is. i'm going to say he's a crook until i see his tax returns. i don't think he pays his taxes. i don't think he gives money to charity, and i think he lies every day. and this guy can't be president of the united states, because if he is, we're not going to have a country, that's essentially hillary's message. this guy's incompetent, he's a loser in his business dealings, and he's a crook. this is the guy you want to be president of the united states? i don't think so. hillary of course can't say all those things. but anybody who's going to push their button by a gesture probably shouldn't be in the white house. >> and we go all the way to where his political career began, and that was at the questioning of president obama's
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birth, and of course once again, donald trump, five years later, refuses to admit that president obama was born in the united states and now wants to say nothing about it. here's hillary clinton's reaction to that tonight. >> and again today he did it again. he was asked one more time, where was president obama born? and he still wouldn't say hawaii. he still wouldn't say america. this man wants to be our next president? when will he stop this ugliness, this bigotry? >> howard dean, with that question, donald trump every time fails an integrity test and intelligence test.
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>> there's nothing about donald trump that has anything to do with integrity. his entire career has been built on taking other people's money and spending it and weaseling out of his own commitments, again and again and again. until we see his tax returns, i think we can assume he pays fewer taxes than most ever the hard-working americans who are upset about the economy do. his hard-working base, who doesn't make a lot of money, is probably paying more taxes than donald trump is. >> i want to just get through a point she made earlier today in north carolina about, there's a double meaning in it about being back on the trail after this little recuperation, let's listen to this. >> people accuse me all kinds of things, you probably have seen that. but nobody ever accuses me of quitting, and i will never give up. i'll never walk away. [cheers and applause]
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no matter how tough the going gets. >> and howard dean, you could tell big emotional reaction in the crowd to that line today, because it had that extra meaning. >> and that is hillary clinton's strength. hillary clinton's strength is she can't, she will not give up on america. trump will turn tail the first time things get tough. he'll bail out, just like he has throughout his business career. hillary won't do that. you can say anything you want about hillary clinton. she's not a quitter. she's very smart, and she knows how to run things. and those are three things that nobody can deny. >> she was appearing tonight in washington at the hispanic caucus dinner, where she was able to say this, appeal to voters that donald trump will never be able to appeal to. i want to listen to what she said about latino business owners. >> i want to give a particular shoutout to latina small business owners. [cheers and applause]
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not everyone knows this, but you are among the fastest-growing group of entrepreneurs in america. >> howard, that's an economic fact we never going to hear from the trump campaign. >> no. well, again, you can't have somebody as president who's a coward and turns tail on america. and hillary clinton's not going to give up on america. i bet she had a fantastic day. she needed that rest. i think, if i could change anything about hillary, i'd get her to take a little more rest. she works three times as hard. hillary at half speed is twice as good as trump is at full speed. we need a president like that. we can't afford to have a wimpy, cowardly, big-mouthed bully who's dishonest to be the president of the united states, and i doesn't think we're going to. i sought polls tonight, everybody's talking about tightening. trump's got to win pennsylvania, ohio, and florida. we want strength, not cowardice in the presidency.
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time for tonight's campaign war room. the clinton and trump war rooms have two new national polls tonight, showing the race is essentially a tie with a margin of error. today's fox news poll shows hillary clinton at 41 and trump
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at 40. the third poll this week shows trump ahead in ohio. the battle ground state of iowa, a monmouth poll show the donald trump eight points of hillary clinton. in that same poll in july, it shows donald trump only two points ahead of hillary clinton. with 53 days left for the presidential election, joining us is jefrey pollack, so jefrey, gloom and doom in the clinton world over these polls? question mark? >> question mark. no one likes to see polls tighten, except that we all know polls are going to tighten. when we think about the way convention bounces go. and then things get back to normalcy.
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we've seen this over time. nobody wants to be in a tie situation, i'm sure. i'm sure there are people who would like to see polls showing a wide lead. don't forget, we've also seen polls in places like arizona where the race is tied. i know about polls in south carolina and louisiana where we the democrats should be getting blown away. >> georgia. >> that are in play. so what we are talking about is a race that is focussed. and the notion that ohio's going to be close i don't think is a surprise. >> i've all the said that this was going to be a tight race. i've said it from the very beginning, whether i was up, down, it didn't matter. what matters is who registers to vote and who is motivated and mobilized to turn out to vote. and i'm going to keep doing everything i can to deliver my message about what's at stake in this election, and my campaign is going to continue to work hard every day to turn out every
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voter we possibly can, and that's our goal, and that's our strategy. >> i heard her say turn out more than once there. and you guys have the machine for this at the clinton campaign. >> yeah, they do. >> for turning out vote. trump campaign has as far as we know, whatever the republican party has and nothing else. >> which isn't much. >> when you look at these polls, and you consider the turnout apparatus. >> it doesn't get factored into the polls. you have to assume that the hillary folks have an advantage in being utterly organized. >> if this was literally the day before and you were looking at a tie, at that point, don't you bet on the team with the better turnout in. >> we do. in a state like florida, for example, where there's no question the polls are tight,
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she's got a massive operation. he's done nothing. he actually just got a new campaign manager there weeks ago, so i think that yes, you have to look at those and factor it in. we can't plan on it, but all of us look at those things and say the ground game does make a difference at the end of the day. >> what do these polls say about tv ad buys? >> we've been up in a number of states. all the major republican donors, people like the koch brothers, they're not spending their money on the presidential race. lots and lots of ads have been put in place to remind people how dangerous trump is. and that's part of his problem. >> and the next thing is the debates, and possibly a set of ads after the debates. pulling things out of the
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debates and pulling them into ads. >> four years ago, if you remember the first debate, president obama had a bad day. >> he did. >> and the polls closed dramatically in some states. like colorado i remember the polls closing from plus nine obama to plus four. what happened beyond that, they never moved. from that point on, they stayed, and obama was leading in colorado by four or five pointing from then to election day. we're sort of seeing the numbers fall to a normal, stable place, and we'll see. so there may not be much movement. i do know, lawrence, look, he's been on the campaign trail today. when you manage the guy, seemingly, and kelly ann has done a good job of managing this guy, but when you let him off on
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his own, what did he do today? he couldn't stop on the birther stuff. he says stuff about troops that's just out of control. i think this man is the far more unpredictable and much more able to mess up, frankly, in the coming days than secretary clinton. >> jeffrey pollack, thanks for joining us. >> one of the big advantages that the clinton team has over the trump team. what do you think? answer's coming up. is that ice-t? nope, it's lemonade.
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we have elizabeth warren heading there and bernie sanders heading there. how helpful do you expect that to be in ohio, which is now a struggle for hillary clinton? >> i think it's going to be very helpful for ohio. i enjoy being a surrogate, because it allows us to go out and to talk about her skills. i have the opportunity to tell constituents across the state of ohio about the hillary clinton that i know. her experience, her background, that she's temperamentally fit to be president of the united states, and she's a commander in chief, not a divider in chief. >> donald trump has been succeeding in the polls in ohio apparently, because of his arguments about trade.
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because of his arguments about nafta, how that's affected ohio workers. does the clinton campaign basically go at it at the same way? >> i think we're highlighting the issues that are important to ohio workers, to ohio businesses. hillary clinton talks to women. she talks to small business owners. she also is supported by many african-americans, because she understands the inner city issues, but she also values and appreciates the excellencies of our historically black universities and colleges. she's interested in sitting down with us, and we're talking about prison reform. she's actually putting things in place to have a platform and to have a position on issues. donald trump just has rhetoric. he's offensive. he's demeaning. he talks about women. and for him to say, what do african-americans have to lose to vote for him? everything. >> it seems like bernie sanders, the way he will approach the
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ohio campaign would be a direct confrontation with donald trump over the trade policies and that sort of thing, because he's got to make an argument. he's very sympathetic that the trade has hurt the voters. >> bernie sanders will do a great job. he understands ohio. he's come on board. he's supporting hillary. i support the issues that he's talked about on trade. we know how important keeping things in america, we know how important jobs are, and we want to keep those jobs here. certainly, as we look at what's happening in northern parts of ohio and what happened to the automotive industry, so we want to bring jobs home, we want to make sure that we keep jobs here. again, unlike donald trump, who has a business and his things are made in china and yet he says he wants to make america great, that's a joke.
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he's not temperamentally fit to be president. he doesn't tell the truth. and he's not even a good business leader. how can he lead this wonderful america that we live in? >> thank you very much for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, the trump children have had a rough couple of days on the campaign trail, but then again, it's not the first time they've been embarrassed by stuff dad's involved with. what if a company that didn't make cars made plastics that make them lighter? the lubricants that improved fuel economy. even technology to make engines more efficient. what company does all this? exxonmobil, that's who. we're working on all these things to make cars better and use less fuel. helping you save money and reduce emissions. and you thought we just made the gas. energy lives here. remember here at ally,
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i just see offstage a very special person. has anyone ever heard of eric trump? >> are we not proud of this man? >> he has been working hard. his sister, too, and his brother don. >> maybe they're working too hard. in a radio interview today, donald trump junior said this
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about hillary clinton. >> the media has been her number one surrogate in this. without the media, this wouldn't even be a contest. but the media has built her up. they've let her slide on every indiscrepancy, on every lie, in every dnc trying to get bernie sanders out of the thing. if republicans were doing that, they'd be warming up the gas chamber right now. >> that remark drew this tweet from the anti-defamation league. trivialization of the holocaust is never okay. josh, i've never heard that kind of comment before, and there's donald trump junior just, ah. >> the explanation from the campaign was that this was about executions, not about the holocaust, which, a, it's still not a very tasteful comment, but i believe the numbers have been there's only been 11 executions by gas chamber in the united
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states in the last 40 years. it's not something i hear outside of the holocaust. >> did anybody apologize? why an explanation when it should be an apology and make it go away? >> it's the trump family. donald trump's children are his children. before this campaign, i used to look at the trump kids and say, gee, he seems like a buffoon, but he's raised these kids. they are not screwed up in the way of archetypal rich kids. but they are dysfunctional in very much the way that their father is disfunctional. making outrageous statements, being unable to apologize for that. >> i prefer the kids drunk snapchats rather than the trump boys with the beautiful dead animals they're so proud of killing.
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let's look at what he said about the tax returns. >> he's got a 12,000-page tax return that would create probably 300 million independent financial auditors out of every person in the country asking questions that are going to distract from his main message. >> so don't release your tax returns, because people might talk about them. that's exactly why we thought you weren't releasing the tax returns. >> that's the honest answer. that donald trump has thrown out all these different theories about why he can't put his taxes out. as you've pointed out, he has not proved that he is under audit. if he was under audit, he could release old tax returns. the real reason he's not releasing the returns is people could pick through the returns and find damaging things and talk about them. maybe he's afraid people could raise issues with the irs. maybe people could raise issues about how little tax he's paid
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or how little income he has. they are that thick, and i believe there's a lot of material to be found. so i think he was being honest there. that's why they don't want the returns out. >> barbara boxer responded to that on the returns, but i want to quickly get to ivanka trump, she was doing an interview about how employees at her company, how they're treated in terms of family leave and that sort of thing. let's listen to that. we don't have it? no, this one here, the thing she said, pregnancy is never, it's a wonderful thing for the mother and the husband, and it's an inconvenience for the person who's running the business. she -- >> i think that's donald trump from 2004. she was asked about it that in this interview that she gave to
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cosmopolitan today. and she bristled about that. and questioned whether that was a real thing that her father said. i think she heard cosmopolitan and assumed it would be a softball interview, but it wasn't. i think this maternity leave thing, she thought would be a good issue. certainly the advisers, i think she thinks it's a big progressive step forward. and she's reacted negatively that it's not progressive enough. so i think that she was upset that she wasn't getting the credit she thought she deserved. >> and see was upset that she was being questioned in any way about the words her father did say that are contrary to what they're saying now. thank you. we'll be right back.
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we said at the time that bridge gate was going to prevent chris christie from getting close to the national ticket either as president or vice president. there will be more news on the 11th hour with brian williams. there has been a statement about donald trump's refusal to even discuss president obama's birth, something that used to be his favorite subject. he did that tonight with the washington post's robert costa, robert costa will join brian williams on the 11th hour, and that is live, and it is next.

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