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great show. here you go. now he's added a new routine. making depositing a check seem so effortless. easy to use chase technology, for whatever you're trying to master. isaac, are you ready? yeah. chase. so you can. good day. i'm sheinelle jones in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's high noon in the east and 9:00 a.m. in the west. here's what's happening. 52 days left in the battle for the white house, and both sides are hitting the other with new attacks. donald trump alarming some with this. >> she goes around with armed bodyguards like you have never seen before. i think that her bodyguards should drop all weapons. they should disarm. right? right? >> that came after he tried to lay the birther issue to rest.
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the big question, will the past few days blunt his apparent momentum? >> the next 53 days will shape the next 50 years. the future of our children and grandchildren hangs in the balance. >> hillary clinton meanwhile fighting back on the campaign trail after a week that saw some tough new polls. new details ahead. and in a new interview with nbc's chuck todd, ohio governor john kasich hints at whether he'll be voting for the gop nominee in that critical battleground state. all here on msnbc, the place for politics. just moments ago senator bernie sanders wrapped up a rally in the battleground state of ohio. he was speaking at a rally for hillary clinton in akron. here's his reaction to trump walking back his birtherism claims during a news conference yesterday. >> if you want to disagree with obama, disagree with obama. but do not go around putting a lot of money into trying to tell
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the american people that because we have an african-american who happens to be president today that he is not a legitimate president. that is an awful and divisive and terrible thing to do. and a man who does things like that must not become president of the united states. >> and a new web ad out today, the clinton campaign is also slamming donald trump over his birtherism comments. >> hillary clinton and your campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. >> trump will campaign in texas and colorado today while his running mate, mike pence, holds a rally at the villages retirement community in florida. this comes on the heels of comments trump made last night in miami about hillary clinton's
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secret service protectors and the guns they carry. >> now, you know she's very much against the second amendment. she wants to destroy your second amendment. i think that her bodyguards should drop all weapons. they should disarm. right? right? i think they should disarm. immediately. what do you think? yes? yes. yeah. take their guns away. she doesn't want guns. let's see what happens to her. >> the clinton campaign released a statement saying in part, quote, we've seen again and again that no amount of failed resets can change who donald trump is. he is unfit to be president and it is time republican leaders stand up to denounce this disturbing behavior in their nominee. clinton is off the campaign trail but will deliver remarks along with president obama at the congressional black caucus dinner. senator bernie sanders will hold one more event in ohio for clinton. senator elizabeth warren is also stumping for clinton in the buckeye state.
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libertarian nominee gary johnson is also on the campaign trail today. his event in seattle comes a day after finding out he will not be on the debate stage next week because he didn't reach the 15% polling threshold. now to msnbc's casey hunt joining us from our bureau in washington. what can you tell us about sanders' visit to ohio today? >> reporter: hi, sheinelle. clinton surrogates out in full force on the campaign trail today in ohio as a round of recent polling shows the race there tightening. and think about the role that bernie sanders and elizabeth warren play for the democratic party and also for hillary clinton. they are there to ignite or try to ignite the progressive base. a lot of whom were very excited to vote for president barack obama in 2008 and 2012, but who democrats are increasingly nervous aren't going to be as excited to show up for hillary clinton in the fall. some of these polling projections look a little bit more like what happened say in 2004 when fewer african-american
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voters, fewer progressive voters went to the polls in comparison to how many went in 2008 and 2012. so bernie sanders was out there today making his pitch already, and he focused specifically on donald trump's comments about race. take a look. >> we can argue about the issues, but we cannot in the year 2016 accept bigotry as the cornerstone of any candidate running for president of the united states. >> reporter: there's always been some question about how aggressively bernie sanders was going to get out on the campaign trail for hillary clinton, but so far the campaign is happy with the efforts that he's been putting in. we'll see how much we see him over the course of the next couple months, sheinelle. >> busy time, of course, kasie hunt, thank you. let's bring in katy tur following the trump campaign for us. katy, can you talk about the fallout today, if any, from trump's latest controversial comments? >> reporter: there's a ton of
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fallout. he's facing a lot of heat for two things, one for trying to end seven -- or five years of birtherism leading that movement in just seven seconds yesterday and then not taking questions from the press. and then secondly, eluding to some sort of violence or insinuating violence against hillary clinton by saying that she doesn't believe in the second amendment. which she has never said that she does not believe in the second amendment. and then going onto say that her armed guard, her secret service detail, the same people who also protect donald trump, should drop their weapons to find out what happens. that's not the first time that he's done something in that vain. we've heard him say that second amendment folks should take it into their own hands to stop hillary clinton from appointing supreme court justices. take that for what you mean, for what you will. he also has praised his veterans co-chair in new hampshire, a man who called for hillary clinton to be shot in front of a firing squad for treason. that man has not been fired from the trump campaign.
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and for all we know he hasn't been reprimanded by donald trump either. so this is just a pattern that many folks are now starting -- well, not starting to point out. that are continuing to point out. the democrats are seizing on this, as you would imagine they would. hillary clinton saying that this is outrageous, that this is not the behavior or the rhetoric of a presidential candidate. bernie sanders talking about it today. i would expect that elizabeth warren would mention it as well later today when she takes the stage to campaign for hillary clinton. robert gates is now getting in on it, the former defense secretary to both president bush and president obama saying that donald trump is unfit for office. in an op-ed in "the wall street journal," donald trump himself responding to that this morning in a tweet saying he's never met defense secretary gates and that he is part of the problem. he's the one that got us into what he calls this mess, a total disaster is what he's calling this. so donald trump is going to be out in houston this morning, a little bit later today, and then
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also colorado continuing to campaign. we're going to find out if he goes on with this line of second amendment bashing or if he moves onto something else. but certainly a roller coaster of a ride this past week. and all these controversies that have surrounded donald trump have done very little to blunt his momentum. >> well, that's exactly what i was about to ask you. i was so prepared for that, katy. here's the deal, we've been talking to you throughout this election season. and i feel like every time i say, cayty, do you think this could affect him in the polls and we wait and we see and ultimately he just keeps on trucking. so with all of the things you just listed, do you really think these controversies could hurt him ultimately in the polls? >> i'm not so sure. i mean, donald trump has been this candidate that's defied political gravity. and he's got this firm base of support that really does believe that they need somebody different in washington, even if they don't agree with his rhetoric. there's a lot of distaste for hillary clinton out there for a myriad of reasons, one of which and the one the donald trump campaign is trying to hammer down on is her trustworthiness.
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the american public has grown weary of hillary clinton in the past 30 or so years that she's been in the public eye, certainly the past 20 years -- or 25 to 30 years that she's been more public. and so she's having a hard time with that. it goes -- we should point out that politicians who've been in the public eye that long have not won the presidency before. because just that fact, the public generally grows weary of them. they're facing that difficulty. and they're trying to figure out a way to hammer home donald trump's inconsistencies of which there are many. and donald trump's controversial statements. but what they're losing out on at the moment, sheinelle, is there are so many things surrounding donald trump, each one of these issues seems to get lost in the mix. >> with that said, i'll end with this. obviously no one can predict what trump will do, but in the weeks ahead what do you think he'll do? do you think he'll put that aside and go back to i don't even want to call it basic
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campaigning because i don't know what that means anymore. but what do you think is ahead for the next couple weeks for trump? >> reporter: the only safe prediction is no prediction at all. >> all right. katy tur, thank you so much. let's go now to editorial and opinions editor for pen live and patriot news and john harwood, also a political writer for the "new york times," good morning -- or good afternoon i guess depending on where you live, guys. >> hey, sheinelle. >> good afternoon. >> so you're both johns, i'm going to have to be a teacher so we know who i'm talking to. john harwood, the reaction to trump's birther and the calculation behind it? >> i think the calculation, sheinelle, is that donald trump knows that he needs to add voters to win. he's done better in the polls. he's still behind. the kind of voters he needs to add are college educated whites. he has huge advantage among non-college wlihites.
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he needs more college-educated whites. and those people know president obama was born in the united states. they know that this whole birther thing is nonsense. and so he needed to try to get past it. when he reminded in that interview with robert costa of "the washington post" reminded everyone he wasn't willing to do that, that he'd been teasing this out for years. he wasn't willing to admit it. his aides knew that they had to cut that off. so they made him go out and make that statement on friday. the problem is that statement made donald trump uncomfortable. and i think it provoked him to play to the audience at his remarks later in the day and make those statements which are just plain wrong about let's see what happens to hillary clinton. so you've had in the last 24 hours people reminding -- donald trump reminding voters in the country of one thing that he said consistently that was a lie, and another thing that he said that everyone can agree is wrong, to talk about lack of protection for your opponent.
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that's not good for donald trump. >> so with that said then, john, politically does secretary clinton benefit from the birther claims resurfacing? brings back some would say the old trump. >> yeah, i think so. i mean, we had a couple weeks there, sheinelle, where trump was relatively on script for him in any case and went veering off it wildly yesterday in washington and then event on friday evening. you know, he theoretically or falsely put to rest the birther controversy and then incorrectly blamed secretary clinton for starting it in the first place, which is plain not true. and then made those remarks friday night that looked like an incitement to violence. that's got to help secretary clinton a little bit. it was a difficult week for her to be sure with some of the stuff that came off the 9/11 ceremony the other week. but any time donald trump veers off script, that will help hillary clinton. >> well, john harwood, if we
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step back a bit and say examine this week. how do you describe it? we began with hillary clinton with pneumonia, donald trump on dr. oz and a slew of new e-mails from colin powell of all people. then the birther question. and then last night trump wondering what would happen if hillary clinton's secret service agents as you guys just mentioned didn't carry weapons. so how do you think the public will step back and assess all of this? >> first of all, when you're asking how do you describe the week, this entire campaign, sheinelle, is absolutely nuts. okay. >> fair word. >> the press coverage is nuts. the candidate behavior is nuts. and i think the american people have gotten accustom to that. remember that we do in the end have a public that's going to look at these two individuals and make a judgment as to who should sit in the oval office and who should not. i think that hillary clinton as a 68-year-old candidate who has problems with people's view of how honest she is did not help herself at all with how she handled the whole pneumonia
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controversy -- or not controversy, issue. and the lack of disclosure. that wasn't good. on the other hand, donald trump reminded people at the end of the week of all the things that have led a majority of americans to conclude that he's not qualified to be president. the more attention you have on that, the better it is for hillary clinton. >> let's talk a bit more about that. john micek, i want viewers to look at the screen with some poll numbers from swing states. it shows trump with some momentum. is it easy to overanalyze, though, these polls? >> you know, i think so. i mean, we're still what 50 some odd days out, but it's a good barometer. look at a state like pennsylvania, sheinelle, the last quinnipiac poll had hillary clinton up by five points. that's a good barometer. we can look at a state like ohio, too, if hillary clinton wins pennsylvania, if she wins ohio, it's pretty much game over. so i mean, as long as we see some con sis tense in the lead in those states, that's a good sign for her trump has pulled so close means they're going to
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have to do a little more work and we're seeing that already secretary clinton returning to pennsylvania in the coming week. we had president obama in philadelphia last week. there's been a real concentration on the state by the campaign. >> you mentioned ohio. john harwood, let's talk about ohio. take a listen to what governor john kasich told my colleague chuck todd in an interview that will air on "meet the press" tomorrow. >> you ruled out voting for hillary clinton, are you voting for donald trump? >> it's not likely. >> why shut the door on hillary clinton? what is it about donald trump -- >> because i'm a republican. because i'm a republican. >> it's party loyalty? >> well, i mean, to some degree. >> there was a time you said country first. >> look, it is country first. and i am unlikely to cast that vote. the chances are minuscule. >> how much will kasich's voice matter? >> not that much. but a little bit. look, elites in the republican party do not like donald trump.
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they're not comfortable with donald trump. some are speaking out forcefully about it. some are not. we haven't seen -- there was a period in the campaign where donald trump's support among republicans was way subpar. some of those republicans have come home. a real question's going to be as we get to the last couple of weeks, do high profile republicans like bob gates, you mentioned that op-ed in "the wall street journal" like john kasich, do their voices cause more of those college-educated whites to say, i'm not going there with trump. hillary will be okay. i think that's likely, but it's not certain. and as for john kasich, it is crystal clear there is zero percent chance he's voting for donald trump. >> okay. another john by the way. john micek and john harwood, good discussion, thank you. >> you bet. >> thank you. still ahead, is there a chance donald trump could win the electoral vote but not the popular? a look at the possible outcomes next. (vo) maybe it was here, when you hit 300,000 miles.
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several new reports today suggesting millennials who threw their full support behind bernie sanders are having trouble transferring that to hillary clinton. so how do candidates sway those younger voters? joining me now to talk about it is senior political writer for five thirty-eight. good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> let's talk about this article you recently wrote about the fact young millennials love president obama. so you would think, i guess in a perfect world, that their votes would then go to hillary clinton. but that's obviously not the case. what is the deal? >> well, you know, if you look at the polls, you see that barack obama does best. his approval rating is highest among those 18 to 24-year-olds, but then you look at the margin between trump and clinton and clinton is only leading by low double digits, which is far lower than her lead among older millennials such as myself.
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you go what is this. it turns out it's not that they love donald trump, but they're going for jill stein and gary johnson in much larger numbers than any other party electorate. there's just something about hillary clinton they do not like. >> we're going to talk more about that coming up a little later this afternoon. but bernie sanders, talk about him for a moment trying to win over those voters for hillary clinton. take a listen to what he told msnbc on "morning joe" yesterday morning. take a listen. >> i would say to those people out there thinking of the protest vote, think about what the country looks like and whether you're comfortable four years of a trump presidency. >> why is it he can't seem to get his base fully in her camp? >> it could just be he doesn't control them. these are voters who are making up their own mind, right? it's not like bernie sanders says one thing and they go another way. >> i guess because he had the crowds for so long and people thought if bernie says it, vote for hillary, they'll just move over. >> he built a movement that's more powerful than himself. and i think that is a very dangerous thing. and you have to remember these 18 to 24-year-olds, for instance, there's talks of al
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gore going on the campaign trail to remind people what happens when you vote for a protest candidate. these 18 to 24-year-olds don't remember the 2000 election. so it's a very different group. we're a long ways away from there. it's going to be interesting to see how they end up voting come november. >> i'm glad you brought this up. the latest polls show really a shift in colorado, ohio, iowa. is this a blip or a trend? >> well, if you look -- states make up the nation, right? so it shouldn't be surprising as national polls become closer that the state polls also become closer. but the question is what happens when we get to a tie or maybe a slight lead for either candidate and then we could get a very dicey situation for hillary clinton the electoral college where she could lose the electoral college despite winning the popular vote. >> can you imagine? look at this, explain i guess really why hillary clinton doesn't necessarily have the advantage when it comes to the electoral map. everyone looking at states president obama won in 2012. >> right. look at a state like iowa, like nevada, these were states that leaned more in the democratic column even more so than the
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national votes and you see states like iowa, oh, my god, donald trump is well ahead, a state like nevada, very, very close race. we were told the hispanics are going to come out and go for hillary clinton. but turns out white voters without a college degree in nevada are saying hold up a second, we don't like this and we're going for donald trump. makes a very tight race in that state. >> so you think there could be a split between the electoral map and the popular vote. >> we think that. if you look at the map higher chance donald trump wins electoral college and losing popular vote than hillary clinton. >> so that said does it make sense for donald trump to go to states where the polls show he's not in play? >> look, donald trump probably should stick to those swing states, should stick to iowa, should stick to nevada, ohio, but the question for me ultimately is what happens in pennsylvania. if donald trump breaks through in the state of pennsylvania, he has a really good shot at winning. >> you seem like you know what you're talking about. what does your gut say? >> my gut says i forget my gut, i look at the numbers -- >> you forget your gut? >> i forget my gut.
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remember, my guts on dates, but in terms of the actual numbers, we still believe hillary clinton has a better shot of winning this election than donald trump has. >> iowa's gone to republican once in the last seven elections? >> it's been a long time. >> 2004, that's what i'm hearing. >> yeah. >> some good conversation. you know your stuff. >> i try. >> thank you. still ahead, six people shot, one dead in west philadelphia. new information from police about the possible motive in this deadly rampage. experience the thrill of the lexus is f sport. because the ultimate expression of power, is control. this is the pursuit of perfection. get between you and life's dobeautiful moments.llergens by choosing flonase, you're choosing more complete allergy relief and all the enjoyment that comes along with it. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by overproducing 6 key inflammatory substances. most allergy pills
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♪ ♪ you live life your way. we can help you retire your way, too. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase. so you can. welcome back. i'm sheinelle jones here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. at the half hour here's what we're monitoring. new information on the shooting rampage overnight in philadelphia. here's just-released audio from
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police disbatch. >> shots fired. >> the mcdonald's on 51st street. help me, please! >> we got shots fired! >> we got two people shot out here also. >> a male shot, shot in the leg. >> we've got an officer shot -- >> this came after a man opened fire on a police officer before going on a shooting spree. one person is dead and several more wounded. wcau's monique braxton is in philadelphia with more. monique, what can you tell us? >> good afternoon, sheinelle. one innocent female just sitting in a car outside a bar was shot and has passed away. here at penn presbyterian, two of the officers who were shot, one philadelphia police officer, also a university of penn police officer, are now in stable condition. three innocent people, the gunman encountered on his rampage, are recovering this morning, one of them is fighting for his life. we've learned based on evidence recovered overnight the now-dead
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gunman was targeting police and corrections officers. philadelphia police commissioner caesar gent sylvia young, a 19-year veteran, was shot in the arm. her bullet proof vest hit as well. we spoke with one witness who tells us he heard rapid gunfire, maybe as many as 20 shots. philadelphia police chased the gunman. he was seen firing into a bar and striking a security guard in the left leg. witnesses tell police the gunman then grabbed a female, possibly to use her as a shield or hostage. when officers were approaching. now, that female was shot in the leg. the madman continues a few blocks and fires his weapon into a white car. a woman and man sitting inside that car were both hit in the chest. we now know that is the female that has passed away. the man is in critical condition. the gunman didn't stop there. he ran into an alley. he engaged in a shootout with police, including the university of penn police officer.
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the gunman was killed a short distance away in that alley. back here outside penn presbyterian, police commissioner has told us sergeant young has two adult daughters who've been at their mother's bedside and she's been up talking to them. we asked the commissioner if he knows anything about the weapon or the gunman's past, and he says it's still too early to tell that part of the investigation, sheinelle. >> all right. monique, thank you. we certainly wish the best for that officer and her family. now back to politics. donald trump takes his immigration politics to houston this afternoon. in just a short while trump will meet with families of crime victims and their supporters at a campaign luncheon. nbc's janet shamlian is in houston for us this afternoon. janet, what are we expecting there today? >> reporter: it's hard to know, sheinelle. originally this event was open to the public, it was open to the press. now without any explanation why it is completely changed, it's pay only to get inside and only the traveling pool allowed inside. that said we will have live transmission of donald trump's comments expected to come at
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about 1:45 eastern time. he should be speaking for about 20 to 30 minutes. this is a fundraiser, a luncheon for a group called remembrance project. it is a texas-based nonprofit that says it advocates for families who've lost a loved one at the hands of undocumented immigrants. it seems likely we would hear from donald trump about his proposed immigration policy, and perhaps he might talk also about his proposed border wall. he comes to texas at a time when the race is increasingly tight here. and that is saying something because this is a solidly red state. texas has gone for the gop presidential candidate in every election since 1980, but a new poll here in texas shows that he has only a 7% lead over hillary clinton, 39% to 32%. and a sizable 17% of the electorate here are undecided. and it comes a day after these comments that you've talked about where he finally after five years of championing the
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birther theory said that he believes president obama was born in the united states. we will have those live remarks, sheinelle, coming up at approximately 1:45 eastern. back to you. >> it's a huge chunk of undecided voters. janet shamlian, thank you. now to the clinton campaign. and a new campaign ad just released attacking donald trump for repeatedly questioning president obama's citizenship. >> barack obama was born in the united states, period. >> you don't still question he was born in the united states, do you? >> i have no idea. >> do you accept that president obama was born in the united states? >> i really don't know. >> he released his birth certificate. >> if you believe that, that's fine. >> donald trump once again refused to say that he thinks that barack obama, the president of the united states, was born in the united states. >> let's bring in senior fellow at the new leaders council and
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josh bar row senior editor at business insider. good afternoon to both of you. >> good to see you. >> josh, why bring back the birther issue? what was trump thinking? >> i don't think trump was trying to bring it back. he kept getting asked about it by reporters. it's funny i hear so much on twitter why don't reporters press him about this but he got asked a lot including by people like bill o' reilly. so this question he got from robert costa from "the washington post" he handled in a way, but donald trump really hates admitting he's wrong. definitely never apologizes for anything. so he's trying to put this away with this weird two-sentence statement where he says the president was born here and, oh, by the way, it was hillary's fault that there was ever any doubt about that. but it's not putting the issue to bed. and i think that's part of why did he close this event to press today. it's similar to why yesterday he didn't take any questions even though his campaign indicated he would at that event in washington, d.c. where he made this statement. he's trying to avoid the
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follow-up questions, like do you owe the president an apology, what convinced you finally that he was born here five years after you got the long form birth certificate you were looking for? so i don't think he wanted this issue back. i don't think his campaign wanted this issue back. but it's a limitation of donald trump's personality. there was no way for him to undo the damage that this does to the public impression of donald trump. >> so taking into account what josh said, trump's been enjoying a boost in the polls this week. has he just risked that lead with the comments he made over the past 24 hours? >> this definitely reminds people of some of the deep concerns that they have about donald trump. and, look, the clinton campaign has actually very effectively painted him as unfit and unqualified. if you look at his poll numbers, people do not think he's qualified to be commander in chief. but what she needs to do on top of that is while she continues to remind people why he is so unfit, why he is such a divisive person who's been offensive from day one of his campaign, and really did launch his political
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career on this birther -- racist birther conspiracy theory. they also need to then remind people of her positive vision and convince people that she is a worthwhile person to have in there. and they haven't done that part so effectively. i mean, if you look at the bouts she got after the dnc, for example, yes, candidates always get a bounce after their conventions. but she really got an exceptional one. and i think it's because you did have multiple days of very effective surrogates out there making the case for her, making the case against trump but also explicitly making the case for her. so i'm hopeful as we go over the next few weeks and we've got president obama and michelle obama and bernie sanders out there more aggressively, and we hear more about her vision, i think the polls are going to shift again with ocourse the debate being the big question mark here. >> i'm glad you brought up the polls. josh, let's talk about this for a moment. you wrote this week about trump's bump in the polls. despite everything we're talking about, why do you think this is happening? and now in particular? >> well, i think two things are happening.
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one, i think hillary clinton had a difficult couple of weeks starting with the release of the fbi interview notes regarding her e-mail server. and then continuing through this basket of deplorables comment, which when it happened i think it was unclear whether that was really going to be a problem for her or not. but then it did after that comment you did see a decline in the polls. so it didn't necessary cause the decline, but some evidence it hurt her a little bit. and of course the stumble and her being off the campaign trail for a few days with pneumonia. so she definitely had a rough couple of weeks and she can get back on her feet as she has and i think that will help her. but the other thing that happened is donald trump got a bit better. he replaced his top campaign team in the middle of august and he has kellyanne conway who is a talented political operative running his campaign now and he seems to be listening to at least some of her advice. he is less of a loose cannon the last couple of days notwithstanding. the previous month or so he's much more often been on message, not getting in stupid fights that hurt his standing in the polls. and the remarkable thing to me has been donald trump has run this sort of comically inept
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campaign for over a year and yet he won the republican nomination and been just a few points behind hillary clinton. the question is running a merely moderately inept campaign enough for him to get a tie? it seemed to be what happened over the last month. as krystal notes, i think we'll see over the next week, do polls close or do they continue to be tight because this was about donald trump doing better. then i guess we'll see is the takeaway her bodyguards thing enough of him not doipg better anymore. >> i heard you chuckling, krystal. is hillary clinton chuckling? should she be worried? >> she should be worried. i hope everybody in the entire country looks at these polls and takes a hard look at them and realizes this man could be your next president if you do not get out there and vote. because that's what the democrats really have to be concerned about. she has the numbers. she's got the advantage in terms of the electoral college. but does she have the enthusiasm? are young people -- the obama
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coalition going to come out and vote for her? if they do, she wins. i hope everybody around the country realizes he could win. now, i still give the advantage to her. i think she's up still in key states. i think she has had a rough couple of weeks. and i think she's coming in actually with lowered expectations for the debate, which is a good thing for her. but, yeah, this is real. it's going to be close. and anything could happen. >> okay, so earlier this hour we were talking about the fact that david wasserman of five thirty-eight writes this week about the possibility of 2016 could be an echo of 2000 with trump winning the electoral college but then losing the popular vote. can you see that happening? >> i think it's an unlikely scenario that that's what would go down. you know, the electoral college as the national polls tighten, you see the state polls tighten, so of course it's a possibility but i think it's a sort of statistically unlikely event that could happen here. >> okay. >> you know, clinton's really
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got to continue to drive the conversation in the way that she did actually this week some with the birther comments. and she's got to also make sure people have a positive reason to vote for her. that's the key. >> all right. so let's look forward here, josh. we talked this morning on "weekend today" about the debate that's just over a week away now. let's talk quickly about how that could change the race, and what do you expect? >> well, the question is can donald trump get through a debate in a way that makes him look like somebody who could plausibly be president? he hasn't had to face a difficult one-on-one debate. in the primaries he got to play his opponents off each other. so hillary clinton is going to try to needle him. i expect her to be very aggressive toward him because doing that will spur reactions from him that are stupid, that are angry, that damage him. i think. so if she does that, i think the debate could significantly help her. but if it's sort of a normal debate with donald trump behaving like a normal person, for most candidates that would be a tie. but for donald trump essentially that's a win because the bar
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that hillary has set for him is very low. her key message is that donald trump is too dangerous, too weird to be president. so merely by being normal and plausible he can win the debate. >> i can't wait to watch it. i can't wait. and then i'll talk to you guys on the other end of all of this must-see tv. thanks for talking with me. >> thank you. >> thank you, have a good one. to today's battleground america tour. we're looking at the critical state of north carolina. the race is close there. nbc's chris jansing spoke to a roundtable to see what people there think of trump refusing to release his taxes. >> shows public trust, i'm reaching out, i'm disclosing information that the public may want to know. >> should donald trump release his taxes? >> absolutely. >> it's something everybody's done in the past. >> absolutely. that makes no exception for him. i don't see why he would feel the need to withhold them. what's the purpose of not releasing them? that's where you kind of call the question as to what are you hiding if you don't want to put
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it out there. you want to talk about everything else but we're not talking about your personal income or your business income. >> who thinks donald trump might be hiding something? at least three of you. you're not so sure, faith. >> i think that it falls almost in the same category as the candidates' releasing their health records. i mean, there's a fine line between what is public knowledge and what should remain private knowledge. >> but if every candidate in any other election has done so, what makes it different this time? >> so you could see conflicts of interest. >> same thing with health records. that was tradition also. my thing is he's been in business for decades, right? if he releases now with two months until the election, they're going to go over every little mie knew sha point and criticize it to death and he probably thinks there are more important issues that we need to be discussing. >> recent polling in the state shows hillary clinton with 47%,
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stretch into next week. in the meantime shortages and price increases are already rippling across the south. >> i'll take uber more. like tonight i have some things in the city. i'll probably take uber. >> it is what it is. there's nothing you can do about it. >> i think it's ridiculous. i didn't even know it skyrocketed like that. i really didn't. >> reporter: now, experts at gasbuddy.com believe that six southern states will be among those hit with price increases. they're estimating for those states anywhere from 5 to 20 cents per gallon of an increase. the good news, well, prices are expected to drop pretty quickly once that repair is complete, especially since a lot of stations are beginning to switch to their winter blends of gasoline, which are cheaper. of course, sheinelle, this all assumes that the repairs are relatively uncomplicated and that things go on schedule. back to you. >> i know so many people who have to drive to work, so you have to pay it.
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as the candidates vie for every vote, there's a concerted effort to court hispanics and african-americans, but there's another voting bloc with rising influence, asian americans, a group largely ignored by the candidates. joining me now is assistant professor with the university of san francisco. professor, i'll dig right in. you recently wrote an article titled, why candidates should court asian american voters. talk to me a little bit about that. why should they? >> you know, yes. thank you for having me by the way. it's real important that the candidates, particularly of course secretary clinton, mr. trump and of course stein and johnson take a good look at the asian american community. as you mention are the fastest racial group in the united
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stat states. and the candidates need to take very seriously this vote because the asian american community as a whole is very diverse. in terms of ethnicity tis, in terms of class, in terms of generation. you know, within the asian american category you have chinese, you have indian, you have japanese and filipino and vietnamese and they all have very different experiences. and if they are immigrants themselves have very different immigrant waves and patterns and experiences. so it's really important that candidates even at the local and state level really take seriously the asian american vote. >> i'm wondering if it's a numbers game. asian americans make up about 4% of eligible voters. and turnout is traditionally low. is that really enough to make an impact, do you think, on the election? >> that's a great question. you know, a lot of activists and scholars and anyone trying to mobilize the asian american vote think about that all the time. you know, do they have an impact? and, yes, they do. they are certainly sleeping giant and could really make a big decision in a lot of
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elections, particularly in swing congressional districts and swing states. and you saw that was the case in 2012 in the presidential elections, even some of the congressional races in 2014. so in places like virginia and places like north carolina and places like ohio, nevada, you really can have a great impact -- the asian american community have a huge impact really on these elections that are very close to call. >> you say asian americans are moving to the left, what do you attribute that to, the shift? >> uh-huh. that's a great question too. you know, ultimately the shift is -- there's multiple factors really. some of it is the fact that the obama coalition over the years has done a really great job of reaching out specifically to asian american voters across generation whether they are immigrants or second or third generations. and also, you know, native born asian americans typically lean a little bit more left on certain
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issues such as education, immigration, issues of the environment and some social issues that is speaking to that electorate. but i also want to note that, you know, up until the 1990s or so, you know, asian americans were really kind of in the ideological middle or leaned right largely because of the immigrants who came from the late 1960s, '70s and even '80s and into the '90s were professionals working and as a result the republican party at the time was speaking to a political language that spoke to a lot of these white collar immigrants. of course there are other americans of different backgrounds felt marginalized and went to the democratic side. and over the years as we've seen you have a new generation of asian americans who are kind of pushing further and further to the left. and it was not that much different from the kind of broader democratic electorate. you know, you had a faction of
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asian americans very supportive of the sanders coalition as well. >> well, i will say this, in an election season like this one, i would think every vote counts. so, james, professor, thanks for talking with us. >> thank you for having me. still ahead at the top of the hour, gary johnson joins me to talk about how he's not being invited to the first presidential debate even though he's on the ballot in all 50 states. can he make it to the second debate? i'll ask him.
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