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responses to terror. >> a sobering reminder that we need steady leadership in a dangerous world. >> we'll have the latest on the bombing investigation and what we know about the suspect in crust day. >> donald trump has more support from the kkk than the leadership at the republican party. >> my interview with senator elizabeth warren. >> you just really wonder what kind of vision donald trump has for this country. >> plus despite years of denials -- >> i don't get involved in traffic studies, lane closures, i didn't work the cones. >> federal prosecutors say chris christie knew about bridgegate. and setting the record straight -- >> i don't know about you guys, but i am so relieved that the whole birther thing is over. >> the new birther conspiracies. >> in other breaking news, the world is round, not flat.
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>> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the man suspected of planting explosive devices around the new york area has been charged with five counts of attempted murder of a law enforcement officer. those charges stem from this morning's gun battle with police in which he was shot multiple times and two officers were lightly injured. the capture of ahmad khan rahami, age 28, concludes a large scale man hupt, an intense weekend in the nation's largest city. the fall youth has just begun the impact the presidential race. more on that in a moment. this morning hours after identifying ahmad khan rahami as a person of interest and take the extraordinary step of asking the public for help via text alert, police responded to a call that a man sleeping in the doorway of a bar in linden, new jersey. when officers aarrived, he opened fire. rahami originally from afghanistan was struck by multiple police bullets and
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apprehended just after 11:00. reportedly conscious and awake. through an incredibly fortune set of circumstances, what could have been a mass casualty event ultimately took a much milder human toll. a chain of events began after 9:30 on saturday morning when a pipe bomb exploded in seaside park, new jersey, along the route of a charity race benefitting the marine corps. the start of the race was delayed and no one was injured. 8:30 p.m., another blast struck west 23rd street in manhattan wounding 29 people in the area. all of them are already out of the hospital and miraculously not a single person was killed. less than three hours later, a second similar device apparently a pressure cooker bomb was discover on 27th street. that device was taken into police custody and later turned over to the fbi. and last night at a train station in new jersey, two homeless man found a backpack in a garbage can containing five undetonated bombs. one of the devices exploded in the middle of the night as it
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was being examined by a bomb robot. no one was hurt. president obama in new york city for the u.n. general assembly thanked local law enforcement for safely bringing the suspect into custody. >> for us to be able to apprehend a suspect in just a little over 24 hours after an event takes place like this is outstanding police work, outstanding law enforcement work. i in particular want to give a heartfelt thanks to the new jersey police officers who were able to apprehend this individual. i had a chance to talk to them briefly before i came down to my meetings here. they were in good spirits and i communicated to them how appreciative the american people were as well as people in the region. >> joining me now is foreign correspondent abdelhamid abaaym.
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how were they able to apprehend this individual? >> reporter: chris, by any measure of the word, this was a lightning fast investigation. really with two parts. one, identifying the suspect, identifying the man that they wanted. two, ultimately apprehending him on the street behind me. the first part of that was tremendous amount of intelligence work, investigative work, starting from the scene of the explosions with things like the surveillance footage that put ahmad khan rahami on the scene of that block where the two explosives were identified, that pressure cooker and the explosion that detonated. also fingerprints, a cell phone ping that traced back to one of his cell phones led police to identify him as a person of interest. ultimately, when they went to his house in elizabeth not too far away, spoke to his family that was leaving or trying to cross the bridge. they were able to get more intelligence, more information that led them to put out that all notice bulletin, if you will, to police departments across the tri-state area.
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that was the first part of the investigation. the second part really almost happened by chance on the street here right behind me. that was because a bar owner coming to that bar early this morning saw a man that was sleeping in his doorway. he thought he was a homeless person. he called the police. the police showed up at the doorway and the police officer that arrived there immediately knew that that was a suspect they were looking for. . e he said he recognized him because of his beard. he said to show him his hands. when the man that was lying on the ground reached for his jacket and pulled out a gun, shot the police officer twice, the police officer then rang out shots fired on the radio and that triggered a massive police crush on the to the area where a shootout ensued leading to the apprehension of ahmad khan rahami. >> ayman mohyeldin, thank you for that update. really appreciate it. minutes after the explosion, before we had any con if you remembered concrete idea what happened, donald trump stepped
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off a plane in colorado and announced his own conclusions about the blast. >> i must tell you that just before i got off the plane, a bomb went off in new york and nobody knows exactly what's going on, but boy, we are living in a time. we better get very, very tough. >> trump has gotten out over his skis like this before calling the downed e egypt air flight a terrorist attack. four months later, investigators still have not determined what actually happened. in this case, trump turns out to have gotten it right and he couldn't help but take a victory lap this morning. >> i was criticized for calling it correctly. what i said was exactly correct. i should be a newscaster because i called it before the news. but what i said was exactly correct. and everybody says, wow, he was right. he called it too soon. >> trump praised the great job by law enforcement tweeting without them we don't have a country.
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he also accused police of e refusing to stop active terrorist plots because police are too scared of political correctness. >> our local police, they know who a lot of these people are. they are afraid to do anything about it because they don't want to be accused of profiling and they don't want to be accused of all sorts of things. look what's going on. do we really have a choice? we're trying to be so politically correct in our country. this is only going to get worse. this isn't going to get better. i have been talking to you guys for years and saying it. this is only going to get worse. >> after giving fairly restrained statements over the bombings over the weekend, this morning hillary clinton laid into trump for his rhetoric. >> we know that donald trump's comments have been used online for recruitment of terrorists. we heard that from former cia director michael hayden. he said, donald trump is being used as a recruiting sergeant for the terrorists. we also know from the former
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head of our counterterrorism center, matt olsen, that the kinds of rhetoric and language that mr. trump has used is giving aid and comfort to our adversaries. >> aid and comfort, a phrase used to describe treason. trump later hit back during a rally in florida used to become a response saying a variation on i know you are, but what am i? >> obama and clinton have been silent about islamic terrorism for many years. that's not lessened the recruiting, but it's increased it. it's weakness invites aggression. we're weak. weakness invites aggression. >> joining me now is the senior fellow at the brookings institution. as well as the former national security spokesman for president obama. let me start with you.
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first of all, let's start with this idea that the key in all this is the magical words islamic terrorism or radical islamic terrorism that if you say that, that instantly alters the entire trajectory of the problem that the u.s. and so many other nations face. >> so i have o to say it's really bizarre that we're focusing so much on how to arrange words in describing terrorism, which all of us as americans are against. and trump has made this into a national conversation about whether to include the word islamic or radical. that's quite frankly a distraction from actually doing the work to fight terrorism. talking about our long-term strategic vision in the middle east. that's what we as a nation should be discussing. it's not just trump. it's many republicans obsessed with these particular words.
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and i think that it also shows that many republicans and trump in particular don't really care about whether or not they are alienating muslim majority countries that are allies or muslims throughout the world by using this kind of inflammatory language. i think radical islam as a phrase has become a kind of stand in for anti-muslim bigotry. we have to push back against that, not encourage it. >> part of what makes this part of the broader argument donald trump is making is basically that the solutions aren't complicated, they are simple. that's the case. obama is weak and i'm tough. when i'm in office, we're going to get tough and knock the hell out of them. you have to say the magic words. how do you respond when the actual answer is that it's very complicated and hard? >> to his point, a piece over the weekend looked back at
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anwar's writings. he wrote a piece about how in many ways trump's rhetoric is making the vision of a war of the west against islam come true. so in many ways, trump is making the job of counterterrorism professionals harder. i think clinton's response was far more measured. she talked about vigilance and resil resilience. those are things that are important to talk about in how we respond to an event like this, sort of preparing for the country for the fact that there will be attacks against our country. the problem is his actions saying we're going to racially profile muslims, banning them from coming to the country, telling refugees some of the most desperate people on the face of the planet that they have no place here and we will not help them, that's going to make recruiting much easier for isis and for al qaeda. >> i hear this now. it's bizarre that we enter into a news cycle in which who is isis voting for.
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i want to make that clear. that said as a factual descriptive matter, you were responding to hillary clinton's assessment of isis rooting for a trump victory and saying it is not an outlanding claim. >> as a factual matter, hillary clinton is correct. current and former isis members have said that they prefer trump and two researchers who work on this issue. trump has made an appearance in at least two isis videos. so i mean, it's not a mystery. we don't have to speculate. that's clear. i think it's also intuitive. as you're saying isis wants to promote a class of civiluations. that benefit from an atmosphere of conflict, division and polarization. who else promotes a narrative of
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polarization and division? donald trump does. what isis really wants to do is they want muslims in the west to feel like they don't fully belong as citizens. they want to promote lone wolf attacks. so i worry that we're falling into this trap. . that's what always happens after terrorist attacks. there's an up surge of anti-muslim sentiment, which trump is really playing into. but that only benefits isis. they want the rise of the far right in europe and the u.s. >> tommy, having worked in the white house and been sort of part of the national security decision making process and all that means, what do you think about what wh you think about donald trump sitting in the situation room say after some god forbid terrible attack in the u.s. and what that could look like and what it could mean. >> there's an enormous push on presidents after a crisis like this to do something, whatever that may be.
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to show action, to demonstrate resolve, to blow something up. i think what makes meso scared about trump is how easily he can be baited. how willing he is to lash out to throw out crazy ideas about getting tough, profiling an entire religion, banning entire religion from the country. and i think his inability to sort of be measured, to show any restraint is what's probably the scariest thing about his candidy. >> thank you both for your time, appreciate it. still to come, the lie that the gop committed to full spectrum in an attempt to protect their nominee. but first, my interview with elizabeth warren about the new york bombing. donald trump, that unbelievable wells fargo fraud story and so much more. that interview is right after this two-minute break. do not go anywhere. no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road.
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donald trump has repeatedly invited his followers to commit a terrible act of violence on his opponent. he has invited them to kill another human being. more than once. what kind of a man does that? what kind of a man tries to hurt someone else or to get others to hurt someone else? i'll tell you. it's a nasty little bully who can't win in a fair fight, and who will never be president of the united states. >> elizabeth warren out on the trail yesterday campaigning for hillary clinton in ohio. key swing state where polls are extremely close. she reminded voters the democratic party has the most progressive domestic agenda. something that gets lost in the coverage because so much revolves around what donald trump has just said or tweeted.
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warren is out touting the work of the government bureau she conceived and helped create. the consumer financial protection bureau, whose investigators caught over 5,000 wells fargo employees gaming the banks incentive program by setting up millions of accounts for customers without the customer's knowledge. the chemowent on for five years yielding $2.4 million in e fees out of pockets of the bank's customers. tomorrow a senate banking committee is holding a hearing to grill the ceo of wells fargo about this. i asked her about the bombing and trump's lamenting that he's been granted his constitution rights. >> you really wonder what kind of vision donald trump has for this country. this is what we fight for. we fight for our constitution wp' we fight for our basic humanity. and donald trump says, let's throw all that out the window.
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let's do the maximum amount of fear mongemongering, maximum am of turn each other against each other. that's what donald trump wants. because for donald trump, this is all politics, all the time. and that's why it is he cannot be president of the united states. >> you have strong words about his comments about taking the guns away from the secret service and we'll see what happens. do you think he's actually intimating, suggesting or urging violence? >> what else do you think he means when he says, let the secret service lay down their arms and let's see what happens. of course, he is. i'm sorry. for me that's not even wink, wink, nod, nod. this is donald trump saying, hey, there's another way to deal he here. again, this kind of goes back to this question about what kind of a human being are we talking about?
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so he's losing to hillary clinton and his answer is to say somebody should get out there and do violence. and look, i get it. campaigns are a time of heated rhetoric. people can get excited. they can overreach and say things they don't mean. but donald trump has now done this twice and he's been called out for it both times. when you do it twice, it seems to me pretty clear what your motivation is here. so i think it's just one more example of why donald trump not only shouldn't be president, but is truly disqualified to be president. >> i watched your appearance on the stump this weekend. i was struck in some ways it was almost beamed from an alternate dimension. the reason i say that is because donald trump has been such a force. his policies can be so impossible to pin down.
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he doesn't seem to care one way or another. he will say one thing and backtrack. you were laying out a sort of democratic policy domestic agenda on the stump. do you think there's been too little attention paid to that? what's the elevator pitch when you guess down to the brass tax of what a hillary clinton presidency looks like? >> so, look, my swing at donald trump a couple times, but at the end of the day, the reason to vote for hillary clinton and all the places i go to vote for ted strickland in ohio, to vote for our democratic senate candidates and our house candidates is because we really do have ideas about how we build a future. donald trump believes that the way we build a future is the same way the republicans believe. that is, hey, let those who are rich and powerful have more money and more power and somehow it's going to trickle down for everyone else.
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we have now tried that for 35 years and it has been a complete catastrophe for this country. the democrats are saying we e know how to do this. we know how to regulate financial institutions so they don't bring our economy down. we know how to make the investments in expanding opportunity. opportunity not just for some of us, but for all of us. that's a big part of what my speech was about. the pieces of that, the pieces that hillary clinton has run on, the pieces that i believe she should win on and then the pieces that the rest of us have got to make sure that she is able to enact once she's president of the united states. >> you just touched on financial regulation. there's a perfect little microcomp of this issue in the wells fargo situation, in had which consumer financial protection bureau, which was your brain child and you sheparded into being was
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instrumental in discovering fraud. wells fargo has been caught and will have to give money back to customers and there's going to be hearings tomorrow. that's a bureau that's, i understand, at the head of the line to be destroyed under a republican presidency. >> i think that's no surprise. so donald trump has said first day of a donald trump presidency he want s s to roll back all of dodd-frank, including the consumer financial protection bureau. republicans in both the house and the senate are moving forward bills to try to leash up the watchdog and pull at its teeth so there won't be another wells fargo. when i say won't be another wells fargo, i don't mean there won't be giant banks cheating people. that will continue to happen. there just won't be a consumer financial protection bureau to call them out. that's what this is, the republicans and the giant wall street banks want. for me, that's a big part of what this election is about. is about fighting back against that and saying we cannot run
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this country just for those at the top 37. we cannot run it just for wall street. we have to run it for all of us. and the wells fargo example, you're exactly right. that's it in a microkos m. >> you could write a book about the efforts to kill off this thing. it's functioning and working is a miracle. senator elizabeth warren, thank you for your time. >> you bet. it's so good to be here. there's one defining moment this weekend where the gop officially became the party of trump. what that was, ahead.
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did i know anything about the plan to close these lanes, did i authorize it, did i e know about it, did i approve it, did i have knowledge beforehand? the answer is still the same, it's no. >> there's one thing chris christie has been consistent on and that is that he had no part or knowledge of the lane closures of the george washington bridge in september of 2013, which was allegedly done by his subordinates for refusing to endorse chris christie's reelection bid. >> i worked the cones actually. unbeknownst to everybody, i was the guy out there working the cones. i don't get involved in traffic studies. i don't get involved in lane closures. i didn't work the cones. that was sarcastic. >> i would never have come out
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here four or five weeks ago and made a joke about these lane closures if i had ever had had an inkling that anyone on my staff would have been so stupid. i had no knowledge or involvement in this issue. in its planning and its execution and i am stunned by the abject stupidity that was shown here regardless of what the facts ultimately uncover. so we have nothing to hide u. >> but today on the first day of a trial of his former dpty chief of staff and former deputy executive director of the port authority, there was one thing that the prosecution and the defense agreed on. chris christie knew.
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he knew about the lane closures as they happened. in opening statements, prosecutors said the two of the alleged co-conspirators in the case had bragged to the governor about the lane closings and had been done to mess with the mayor of fort lee because he declined to endorse the governor's reelection. defense lawyers have also said christie knew. so if the prosecution and the defense in this federal courthouse are right, chris christie has been lying through his teeth about this all along. which is why perhaps it might not surprise people to see christie when asked about donald trump and birtherism say this. >> after the president present theed birth certificate, donald said he was born in the united states and that's the end of the issue. it was a contentious issue. it's just not true he kept it up for five years. >> this is true. >> no, it wasn't like he was talking about it on a regular basis. >> that is demonstrably untrue. unless you were born yesterday, you saw donald trump continue to
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this started with hillary clinton's campaign. it was donald trump who put the issue to rest when he got president obama to release his
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birth certificate. >> donald trump's campaign manager and surrogates keep repeating this lie that hillary clinton started the birther movement. this is not just false in a normal campaign kind of way. it's more like a bad mind trick. fanning out across the air waves to tell us that donald trump would be the first woman president and hillary clinton is the one who has gone through bankruptcies and once mocked a disabled reporter. so just for the record since we all live in this, the actual real world of facts. here are the number of times hillary clinton called for barack obama to release his birth certificate. zero. over a five-year period, trump did it regularly. he opined on the subject sometimes sticking with the subject and others branching out to obama being a secret muslim. here are the number of times that hillary clinton tweeted that obama should release his birth certificate. zero. at least 36 times trump tweeted birther conspiracy nonsense. here is the number of times
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clinton intimated that the president of the united states had a state office holder murdered in a plane crash to cover up his birth certificate. zero. trump once tweeted, how amazing the state health director who verified copies of obama's birth certificate died in plane crash today. all others lived. think about how a plot to kill one person in a plane crash would work. here are the number of times hillary clinton offered a reward for barack obama to show his college transcripts and his passport application. zero. donald trump, of course, did all that. joining me now is contributcont. this gaslighting is going to work because it will muddy the waters enough. >> you see all sorts of things with mike pence. it's the other campaign about i insults. >> this is mike pence today said this. the other campaign seems to be an avalanche of insults. . this campaign is not about
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insults on our side. it's about ideas. this is after he called robert gates a clown this weekend. insulted "the new york times" writer and cnn. >> and then it's i have the best temperament. whatever criticisms hillary clinton throws at him, they throw them right back. these are not just lies. they are transparentally ridiculous lies. the reason he gets away with this is supporters know he's lying when he says these things. they think they are looking at him and you see this in press interviews and pollsters. it's not like trump supporters think donald trump is perfect. they admit he goes too far and what he said was ridiculous. the idea he has on immigration is extreme but i don't think he's really going to do that when he's president. the voters who really want the extreme immigration stuff when he talks about a softening, that's for the media. so i think there's a toleration for the idea that a lot of the things he's not going to say are true. that's why when it becomes
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obvious he's lying, that doesn't damage his brand. >> jake tapper interview, he's saying it's not true. he's doing right thing. but you sort of e see this real problem particularly with the birther thing. you saw the press. they are saying we were there. you cannot tell us. we're going to get to a point he's going to look at lester holt and say i was a senator from new york. what is lester holt going to say? it's like talking to a person who is clinically not sane. >> i think one thing we're learning here is because i see on twitter all the time people be like why doesn't the media hold trump accountable. we have demanded over and over and over. we can't compel him to release him. when people lie about things, one of the main things that restrains people from lie whg they reveal as liars is shame. >> people don't like being seen as liars.
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>> they know the game is up. it's been proved they lied and they have to apologize. because he's incapable of shame he's demonstrating something very dangerous. if you insist you didn't do anything wrong, you can get away with a lot of things, even when it's obvious you did something wrong and other people only don't get away with it because they give up. >> this shame thing is key. people is have to understand so much of their strengths on power is the conceptions. we have seen this in this campaign. he had a pretty good essay. people have to think about this seriously in the context of the presidency. they once had the thought experiment that a president could have one of his people work for him like murder the senate majority leader in the house and pardon him. like the constitution allows him. he can pardon anyone he wants. people need to understand that how much the norms are restraining whatever it is that the presidency does. >> in general it will be in much
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more banal ways and won't generate the outrage it should. there's a good and bad thing about trump being the embodiment. he's such an unusual figure. i don't think anyone can replicate what he's done. his bizarre personality is a e key. on the other hand, he might win this election and become president and do the thing only e he could do. >> josh, thank you very much. still to come, president obama responds to donald trump's birther comments by an impassioned pitch to black voters. we'll play his remarks, ahead. first, tonight's one thing two starts after this break. people get anxious and my office gets flooded with calls. so many things can go wrong. it's my worst nightmare. every second that power is out, my city's at risk. siemens digital grid manages and reroutes power, so service can be restored within seconds.
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business connections focusing on the international business ties. we looked at 2ru6r7's opportunity for enrichment. the concerning associations overseas and the unprecedented conflicts of interest for presidents of united states. >> you have a situation where donald trump is going to have to choose. he's going to have to choose a partner who is giving him money, who is giving his kids money, or the interest of the united states. and there has never ever in the history of america been a scenario like this. >> since then his son claimed if his father released tax returns, it would raise too many questions. a departure we should note that he wasn't releasing returns because of an audit. trump jr. also implored voters no the to worry about any conflicts between the potential president trump saying, quote, it doesn't matter. trust me. shockingly enough, trust me
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wasn't doing it for some people. today a surprising group of voices signed an open letter urging donald trump to disclose what those foreign business interests are. whoez names are on that list? that's in 60 seconds. i love my shop, but my back pain was making it hard to sleep and open up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. now i'm back. let's just get a sandwich or something. "or something"? you don't just graduate from medical school, "or something." and we don't just pull smoked chicken, bake fresh foccacia
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and hand-slice avocado. there's nothing "or something" about it. at this point, it should be established donald trump's lack of transparency is unprecedented. now after a cover story investigating the trump organization's foreign business ex-connections, 50 former government officials sent an open letter to trump titled "a call for transparency" calling for him to reveal the nature of his foreign business relationships. specifically citing the article, mr. trump has shown poor judgment with regard to whom he has associated with overseas to further his best interests. we did no do not know all the facts are accurate. the best way too dispel any doubts would be with a full and complete disclosure. the letter signers include the former secretary of defense as well as bush's former secretary of homeland security, the former acting director of the cia and
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i don't know about you guys, but i am so relieved that the whole birther thing is over. i mean, isis, north korea, poverty, climate change, none of those things weighed on my mind like the validity of my birth certificate. >> president obama serving donald trump some snark on saturday night. the congressional black caucus foundation awards dinner. he served some fire in a speech
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that built to a stinging condemnation of the gop nominee with a rousing call to elect hillary clinton. >> you may have heard hillary's opponent say there's never been a worst time to be a black person. i mean, he missed that whole civics lesson about slavery and jim crow. but we got a museum for him to visit. so he can tune in. if you care about our legacy, realize everything we stand for is at stake, all the progress we have made is at stake in this election. my name may not be on the ballot, but our progress is on the ballot. tolerance is on the ballot. democracy is on the ballot. there's no such thing as a vote that doesn't matter. it all matters. and after we have achieved his
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torque turnout in 2008 and 2012, especially in the african-american community, i will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy if this community. lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election. you want to give me a good sendoff, go vote. >> when we come back, gop completes its capitulation to bar his republican e detractors from even running for office. that's next. ♪
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do you think there should be retribution they should not be allowed to run again? >> well they signed a contract, brian. the contract is so clear. it is so clear. it says i will endorse the person that, you know wins the primaries. right? these people all want to run in fours right. if i was the head of the republican party. i would say you can't do it. >> donald trump suggesting republican whose signed a loyal pledge to back the eventual presidential nominee yet to endorse trump should be barred from rung in the future ac proposal that sounds nuts. until yesterday, the actual chair of the republican party, said the same thing. >> people agree to support the nominee, used tools from the rnc, agreed to support the nominee. we are a private party, not public entity. those people need to get on board.
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if they're thinking they're going to run again someday, i think we are going to evaluate the process of the nomination process and i don't think it is going to be that easy for them. >> job bush, ted cruz, and declined to support trump. kasich calling phone trump to apologize to the president of the united states for pushing the conspiracy theory he was not an actual american. last night. john weaver, released a blister response. the idea of a greater purpose beyond oneself may be alien to political party bosses like reince priebus, but it is at the center of everything governor kasich does. he will not be bullied by a kenosha operative. >> michael steel, trying not to smile at that description. former chair, of the rnc. and betsey woodruff, of the daily beast. kenosha political operative. pretty good. >> it's good. it's good. >> let's just, whether this is smart or not.
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doesn't seem like an actual thing that the republican party can do. could it ban people from seeking the nomination? >> no. no. and look, you don't even want to go down that road. to even intimate that you are somehow going to penalize someone who for principled reasons is not supporting the current nominee of the party. from running in four years. it is not who we are as a party. i think that's a real problem. i think mr. weaver's response and response of other republicans since then have made it very clear. you don't want to open up that door. >> betsey, it struck me, reince saying this, an official moment. it's been trump's party. won the nomination. there was the rnc, it was, republican party, and him. now there is preibus making the comments. it is officially trump's party. his party to the extent, the head of the gop, essentially floating the idea of a purge of dissident members of the party, like some, some sort of
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factional communist dispute back in the last century. >> right. rnc has gone full trump. i think his interview on cbs on sunday was, important moment for that. but his comments about essentially barring three prominent republicans from running for president again. weren't the only moment in that particular interview that he very much embraced some of the wacky things about trump. he also defended trump's birther explanation and something yesug had a valid reason for saying hillary clinton started the birther movement. which is not true. it's false. he endorsed that. got on board. that's more significant. the fact the head of the pare is suggesting that trump's birther fever dream was valid and worthy of dignifying. >> i have been saying from the beginning i think the outcome of the election will be in north mall rangement some where in the -- in normal range, some where in the last two. who ever wins. partisan polarization is so powerful a force.
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the gravitational pull in american politics. the most interesting thing in the polling now, 86% of republicans support trump. 90% of democrats support clinton. it's almost to the point you could just put anyone. head of a major party. they would, they would get, have between 40 and 45% of the vote. >> yeah, fall to type. that's the expectation that the political operatives, whether they're from kenosha or new york, have about this process. and that's, that's the expect taegs expect -- expectation of how it play out. the variable in the race. variable is independent e undecided voter. the undecided candidate donald trump. variables can take the numbers, you cited and turn them on their head a little bit. when it comes to turnout. when it comes to a lot of the things you are going to expect to see in 50 days occur. for both of these parties. and that's, again, here's the problem. when you start throwing around threats like that. two things come to mind. one, you want the governor of
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ohio to play in this election cycle. why? because he has to turn out the vote for you. >> so nuts. that's. you have got no republican in, however long won the presidency without ohio, john kasich loved to talk about in every place in new hampshire. sitting governor, republican, in the state where you had your convention, who is quite popular. >> very popular. >> 20 points above water. like, go out and pick a fight with this guy. betsey, the republican party apparatus going to be doing all the things michael talked about. gotv. party apparatus that has got that, that has that sort of division of labor. without a doubt. the rnc, build up an aggressive. get out the vote operation. data operation. spent ton of money on it. talking it up among reporters for years. one story a read a few months back.
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african-american republican leaders. they said they feel like the rnc hadn't delivered on outreach to black voters. one particular area, they said look the rnc committed to a certain number of staff, investing more. urban media. just didn't do it. that's what my reporting showed. the reality is that this is a base election. it if you are the pub party trying to get new voeers from dters fr demographics that don't back you up. the rnc, that's what it looks like. >> michael, so are you, are you going to go, you angling to return to, to, to take the job of the kenosha political operative. >> oh, hell no. that, that ship is gone, baby, no. i don't think, don't think that's in my future card at all. >> yeah, you can go be the one to enforce the ideological purge -- >> right. >> in the great bloodletting that will come. >> chris, they tried to do a litmus test during chair of the party. no, no, not going to happen on my watch.
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you have to fire me first. >> here you are. >> michael steel. betsey woodruff. thank you for your time. appreciate it. that's all in for this evening. rachel maddow show starts now. good evening. thank you to you at home for joining us this hour. a lot going on in the news tonight. really appreciate you being here. charges have just been filed against the, alleged bomber. from the new york and new jersey explosions this weekend. string of bombing attacks. started saturday morning. in seaside park, new jersey. that was followed by a large explosion in the chelsea neighborhood of manhattan on saturday night. that was followed in the overnight hours last night by a further explosion in elizabeth, new jersey. a police bomb disposal robot tried to diffuse another group of -- explosive devices that were found on the street by a couple of very, very, very lucky homeless guys who did not themselves get hurt after they've handled the devices in elizabeth.

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